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I heard on the radio that the authorities busted the " blaster worm " writer . Good-Riddens !!! tim

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I dont know what Confucious say , but FEDS say : " He who play with MS-Blaster worm , sit in jail "  Ha , Ha , Ha , Ha !!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I heard on the radio that the authorities busted the " blaster worm " writer . > Good-Riddens !!! > tim

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> I dont know what Confucious say , but FEDS say : > " He who play with MS-Blaster worm , sit in jail "  Ha , Ha , Ha , Ha

No, that was Kwai-Chang Caine. — CeeBee Uxbridge: "By God, sir, I’ve lost my leg!" Wellington: "By God, sir, so you have!"

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Apparently, and unfortunately, it was only a "derivative" blaster-writer, not the original. Not that this guy didn’t do some damage, but the other guy (odds are it *is* a guy!) who started it is still out there. bj

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I heard on the radio that the authorities busted the " blaster worm " writer . > Good-Riddens !!! > tim

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> Apparently, and unfortunately, it was only a "derivative" > blaster-writer, not the original. Not that this guy didn’t do some > damage, but the other guy (odds are it *is* a guy!) who started it is > still out there.

Actually it does not matter either way. There are thousands of kids with the knowledge and ability to use existing code to start these attacks at will. It is more important in this case to make sure people keep their computers up to date. The thousands of workstations affected with this worm could have been avoided if only administrators of the affected networks did their jobs by applying the patches months ago when they came out. I am not taking up for the hackers but I am saying that the payload would have been less if people were doing what they were supposed to. — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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I’m with you, Ronnie.  Despite many warnings, including news items on TV and in the newspapers, so many internet users didn’t take heed, and now it’s spreading like wildfire. One lady I know who was infected said "Oh, what’s a firewall?"  She was ignorant about viruses or such things, yet relies on her computer to run her business. Large organisations have blocked it at the main input, but some who were already infected still have it floating around the internal network.  We even got one probe from a US army base! I reckon it’s time for people to learn about internet hygiene. The internet is a dirty place.  Just like personal hygiene, it needs to be taught to children and newcomers. Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Apparently, and unfortunately, it was only a "derivative" > blaster-writer, not the original. Not that this guy didn’t do some > damage, but the other guy (odds are it *is* a guy!) who started it is > still out there. > Actually it does not matter either way. There are thousands of kids with > the knowledge and ability to use existing code to start these attacks at > will. It is more important in this case to make sure people keep their > computers up to date. The thousands of workstations affected with this > worm could have been avoided if only administrators of the affected > networks did their jobs by applying the patches months ago when they came > out. I am not taking up for the hackers but I am saying that the payload > would have been less if people were doing what they were supposed to. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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> Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.  Admins/Users should not have to jump through > hoops every couple weeks.  If M$ designed the architecture of their > system with security in mind, these problems would not appear with > such a high frequency and nastiness.  Computers are tools of function > like a pencil or a chair, nothing more.

It has little to do with MS at this point. As you can see from headers I use Linux. If there were no MS hackers would be finding holes in MAC or Linux. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a lover of MS or it’s practices but this is the real world and hacks and exploits are here to stay. It’s not about jumping through hoops, there are dozens of SW packages that will automatically apply the patches across an enterprise. It is a matter of knowing what is going on around you. When I see for example the whole MD Motor Vehicle Dept closing for the day I am thinking what lame idiots had that contract. People are just blind to what is going on out there in the world. BTW I applied 3-4 patches on my Red Hat box this week. It ain’t just MS. — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m with you, Ronnie.  Despite many warnings, including news items >on TV and in the newspapers, so many internet users didn’t take >heed, and now it’s spreading like wildfire. >One lady I know who was infected said "Oh, what’s a firewall?"  She >was ignorant about viruses or such things, yet relies on her >computer to run her business. Large organisations have blocked it at >the main input, but some who were already infected still have it >floating around the internal network.  We even got one probe from a >US army base! >I reckon it’s time for people to learn about internet hygiene. The >internet is a dirty place.  Just like personal hygiene, it needs to >be taught to children and newcomers. > Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid > things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, > right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated > crapware we all use.  If Gates wanted a high quality operating system, > we would have such.  But, he wanted a monoply and a low quality system > which we have, and all of society is paying the price for such > recklessness.  Users should not have to babysit computers, they are > just a tool of utility, nothing more.  If properly designed and > implemented, the recent problems would be far less frequent and > hopefully less nasty. > Linux and the Open Source community will eventually force M$ to clean > up their crapware or become extinct.  But, not for some time to come.

It’s apparent your not a software designer.   We should talk to God for getting diabetes. — Waro

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> Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.

Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Or just run a Net-machine that cant be taken down . tim

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Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid >things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, >right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated

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Yes, that’s true too. Sort of like blaming AT&T for someone making threatening calls or something equally ridiculous. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. >I agree, while every software company has to do their best to make their >software secure in the end it is the hacker that breaks the law. >– >"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. > It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we > find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 >"I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really > don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                              George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. >I agree, while every software company has to do their best to make their >software secure in the end it is the hacker that breaks the law.

Is it possible to make a system that is secure?   I have been told that the present systems are full of backdoors for commercial purposes.   It seems that the present concept of absolute privacy has failed.   A very narrow road between freedom and anarchy. Historically the path was freedom– absolute irresponsible freedom–anarchy and chaos–then a great savior comes along to save us.   Then we find his method is chains on us. The status of the internet is an example of the evolution of a system.  Maybe we can escape this route by dinging the abusers and selecting a rational practical route in the future..                                        Guy

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> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. > — > Cheri >Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid >things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, >right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated

Using your logic, if I forget to lock my door and someone walks into my house and robs me blind or kills my family, then I am to blame?  Ya, ok!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. > — > Cheri > >Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid > >things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, > >right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated >Using your logic, if I forget to lock my door and someone walks into my >house and robs me blind or kills my family, then I am to blame?  Ya, ok!

Maybe a better example is this.   I was present when a fellow was caught for killing a gas station attendant during a robbery.  He said it was the stations attendant for not moving  fast enough. Lots of people are unhappy with the present vulnerable kludge.:But if I don’t like it I can not use it.  Easy.   I have suspended all credit card transactions and do not even enter them after a rebuild about two years ago.  Don’t need the hassle. When it finally does enough damage to business there will be corrections.   Long jail terms would be a good step. An accomplished hacker can penetrate most systems today.                                          Guy

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>>Linux and the Open Source community will eventually force M$ to clean >up their crapware or become extinct.  But, not for some time to come. > It’s apparent your not a software designer.   We should talk to God for > getting diabetes.

There’s a big difference between trying to be secure and not always succeeding vs. knowing you are being insecure and putting on an act when you get caught. — Wes Groleau Alive and Well http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau/

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And just why is not believed to have happined that way ? http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767 tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids. > Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the > loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have > actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker > knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe > "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Anyone with that kind of knowledge and some decency would use it to write good programs to make money instead of grand-vandalism . It is really sad when one has to fork over 3 times the price of a computer to MS only for only A-Little decent " nice hacker "(Utility ) programs . I used to get equivelant " good-hacker " programs for the Apple IIe very cheap , Assembly code…Machine code stuff  , all kinds of utilities that are pretty-much impossible to find for the modern Internet Computers .( thanks to hackers vandalising , instead of writing utility-programs ) tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes, that’s true too. Sort of like blaming AT&T for someone making > threatening calls or something equally ridiculous. > — > Cheri >> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the >> kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult >> legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. >I agree, while every software company has to do their best to make >  their >software secure in the end it is the hacker that breaks the law. >– >"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. > It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we > find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 >"I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really > don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                              George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.  Admins/Users should not have to jump through > hoops every couple weeks.  If M$ designed the architecture of their > system with security in mind, these problems would not appear with > such a high frequency and nastiness.  Computers are tools of function > like a pencil or a chair, nothing more. > It has little to do with MS at this point. As you can see from headers I > use Linux. If there were no MS hackers would be finding holes in MAC or > Linux. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a lover of MS or it’s practices but > this is the real world and hacks and exploits are here to stay. It’s not > about jumping through hoops, there are dozens of SW packages that will > automatically apply the patches across an enterprise. It is a matter of > knowing what is going on around you. When I see for example the whole MD > Motor Vehicle Dept closing for the day I am thinking what lame idiots had > that contract. People are just blind to what is going on out there in the > world. > BTW I applied 3-4 patches on my Red Hat box this week. It ain’t just MS. > —

Ronnie, have you had a look at the List of Lists? – there’s quite a bit there re the vulnerabilities of Linux. Worth a brouse it you haven’t.  See; http://klists.pick.com/ Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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And just why is this *not* believed to have happined at a company with a proven *bad* background ? http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767 tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids. > Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the > loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have > actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker > knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe > "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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I think the RIAA would jump at the chance to use something like that to close file sharers’ internet access.

> And just why is this *not* believed to have happined at a company with > a proven *bad* background ? > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767 > tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids. > Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the > loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have > actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker > knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe > "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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I heard on the radio that the authorities busted the " blaster worm " writer . Good-Riddens !!! tim

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I dont know what Confucious say , but FEDS say : " He who play with MS-Blaster worm , sit in jail "  Ha , Ha , Ha , Ha !!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I heard on the radio that the authorities busted the " blaster worm " writer . > Good-Riddens !!! > tim

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> I dont know what Confucious say , but FEDS say : > " He who play with MS-Blaster worm , sit in jail "  Ha , Ha , Ha , Ha

No, that was Kwai-Chang Caine. — CeeBee Uxbridge: "By God, sir, I’ve lost my leg!" Wellington: "By God, sir, so you have!"

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Apparently, and unfortunately, it was only a "derivative" blaster-writer, not the original. Not that this guy didn’t do some damage, but the other guy (odds are it *is* a guy!) who started it is still out there. bj

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I heard on the radio that the authorities busted the " blaster worm " writer . > Good-Riddens !!! > tim

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> Apparently, and unfortunately, it was only a "derivative" > blaster-writer, not the original. Not that this guy didn’t do some > damage, but the other guy (odds are it *is* a guy!) who started it is > still out there.

Actually it does not matter either way. There are thousands of kids with the knowledge and ability to use existing code to start these attacks at will. It is more important in this case to make sure people keep their computers up to date. The thousands of workstations affected with this worm could have been avoided if only administrators of the affected networks did their jobs by applying the patches months ago when they came out. I am not taking up for the hackers but I am saying that the payload would have been less if people were doing what they were supposed to. — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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I’m with you, Ronnie.  Despite many warnings, including news items on TV and in the newspapers, so many internet users didn’t take heed, and now it’s spreading like wildfire. One lady I know who was infected said "Oh, what’s a firewall?"  She was ignorant about viruses or such things, yet relies on her computer to run her business. Large organisations have blocked it at the main input, but some who were already infected still have it floating around the internal network.  We even got one probe from a US army base! I reckon it’s time for people to learn about internet hygiene. The internet is a dirty place.  Just like personal hygiene, it needs to be taught to children and newcomers. Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Apparently, and unfortunately, it was only a "derivative" > blaster-writer, not the original. Not that this guy didn’t do some > damage, but the other guy (odds are it *is* a guy!) who started it is > still out there. > Actually it does not matter either way. There are thousands of kids with > the knowledge and ability to use existing code to start these attacks at > will. It is more important in this case to make sure people keep their > computers up to date. The thousands of workstations affected with this > worm could have been avoided if only administrators of the affected > networks did their jobs by applying the patches months ago when they came > out. I am not taking up for the hackers but I am saying that the payload > would have been less if people were doing what they were supposed to. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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> Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.  Admins/Users should not have to jump through > hoops every couple weeks.  If M$ designed the architecture of their > system with security in mind, these problems would not appear with > such a high frequency and nastiness.  Computers are tools of function > like a pencil or a chair, nothing more.

It has little to do with MS at this point. As you can see from headers I use Linux. If there were no MS hackers would be finding holes in MAC or Linux. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a lover of MS or it’s practices but this is the real world and hacks and exploits are here to stay. It’s not about jumping through hoops, there are dozens of SW packages that will automatically apply the patches across an enterprise. It is a matter of knowing what is going on around you. When I see for example the whole MD Motor Vehicle Dept closing for the day I am thinking what lame idiots had that contract. People are just blind to what is going on out there in the world. BTW I applied 3-4 patches on my Red Hat box this week. It ain’t just MS. — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m with you, Ronnie.  Despite many warnings, including news items >on TV and in the newspapers, so many internet users didn’t take >heed, and now it’s spreading like wildfire. >One lady I know who was infected said "Oh, what’s a firewall?"  She >was ignorant about viruses or such things, yet relies on her >computer to run her business. Large organisations have blocked it at >the main input, but some who were already infected still have it >floating around the internal network.  We even got one probe from a >US army base! >I reckon it’s time for people to learn about internet hygiene. The >internet is a dirty place.  Just like personal hygiene, it needs to >be taught to children and newcomers. > Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid > things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, > right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated > crapware we all use.  If Gates wanted a high quality operating system, > we would have such.  But, he wanted a monoply and a low quality system > which we have, and all of society is paying the price for such > recklessness.  Users should not have to babysit computers, they are > just a tool of utility, nothing more.  If properly designed and > implemented, the recent problems would be far less frequent and > hopefully less nasty. > Linux and the Open Source community will eventually force M$ to clean > up their crapware or become extinct.  But, not for some time to come.

It’s apparent your not a software designer.   We should talk to God for getting diabetes. — Waro

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> Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.

Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Or just run a Net-machine that cant be taken down . tim

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Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid >things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, >right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated

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Yes, that’s true too. Sort of like blaming AT&T for someone making threatening calls or something equally ridiculous. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. >I agree, while every software company has to do their best to make their >software secure in the end it is the hacker that breaks the law. >– >"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. > It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we > find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 >"I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really > don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                              George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. >I agree, while every software company has to do their best to make their >software secure in the end it is the hacker that breaks the law.

Is it possible to make a system that is secure?   I have been told that the present systems are full of backdoors for commercial purposes.   It seems that the present concept of absolute privacy has failed.   A very narrow road between freedom and anarchy. Historically the path was freedom– absolute irresponsible freedom–anarchy and chaos–then a great savior comes along to save us.   Then we find his method is chains on us. The status of the internet is an example of the evolution of a system.  Maybe we can escape this route by dinging the abusers and selecting a rational practical route in the future..                                        Guy

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> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. > — > Cheri >Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid >things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, >right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated

Using your logic, if I forget to lock my door and someone walks into my house and robs me blind or kills my family, then I am to blame?  Ya, ok!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the > kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult > legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. > — > Cheri > >Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids.  Kids do stupid > >things and create mischief.  Put the blame where the blame belongs, > >right on Bill Gates head.  He architectured the insecure bloated >Using your logic, if I forget to lock my door and someone walks into my >house and robs me blind or kills my family, then I am to blame?  Ya, ok!

Maybe a better example is this.   I was present when a fellow was caught for killing a gas station attendant during a robbery.  He said it was the stations attendant for not moving  fast enough. Lots of people are unhappy with the present vulnerable kludge.:But if I don’t like it I can not use it.  Easy.   I have suspended all credit card transactions and do not even enter them after a rebuild about two years ago.  Don’t need the hassle. When it finally does enough damage to business there will be corrections.   Long jail terms would be a good step. An accomplished hacker can penetrate most systems today.                                          Guy

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>>Linux and the Open Source community will eventually force M$ to clean >up their crapware or become extinct.  But, not for some time to come. > It’s apparent your not a software designer.   We should talk to God for > getting diabetes.

There’s a big difference between trying to be secure and not always succeeding vs. knowing you are being insecure and putting on an act when you get caught. — Wes Groleau Alive and Well http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau/

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And just why is not believed to have happined that way ? http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767 tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids. > Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the > loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have > actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker > knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe > "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Anyone with that kind of knowledge and some decency would use it to write good programs to make money instead of grand-vandalism . It is really sad when one has to fork over 3 times the price of a computer to MS only for only A-Little decent " nice hacker "(Utility ) programs . I used to get equivelant " good-hacker " programs for the Apple IIe very cheap , Assembly code…Machine code stuff  , all kinds of utilities that are pretty-much impossible to find for the modern Internet Computers .( thanks to hackers vandalising , instead of writing utility-programs ) tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes, that’s true too. Sort of like blaming AT&T for someone making > threatening calls or something equally ridiculous. > — > Cheri >> Too much putting the blame on others going on these days. I blame the >> kids and only the kids that did it, though an 18 year old is an adult >> legally. Blaming Bill Gates is ridiculous IMO. >I agree, while every software company has to do their best to make >  their >software secure in the end it is the hacker that breaks the law. >– >"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. > It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we > find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 >"I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really > don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                              George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.  Admins/Users should not have to jump through > hoops every couple weeks.  If M$ designed the architecture of their > system with security in mind, these problems would not appear with > such a high frequency and nastiness.  Computers are tools of function > like a pencil or a chair, nothing more. > It has little to do with MS at this point. As you can see from headers I > use Linux. If there were no MS hackers would be finding holes in MAC or > Linux. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a lover of MS or it’s practices but > this is the real world and hacks and exploits are here to stay. It’s not > about jumping through hoops, there are dozens of SW packages that will > automatically apply the patches across an enterprise. It is a matter of > knowing what is going on around you. When I see for example the whole MD > Motor Vehicle Dept closing for the day I am thinking what lame idiots had > that contract. People are just blind to what is going on out there in the > world. > BTW I applied 3-4 patches on my Red Hat box this week. It ain’t just MS. > —

Ronnie, have you had a look at the List of Lists? – there’s quite a bit there re the vulnerabilities of Linux. Worth a brouse it you haven’t.  See; http://klists.pick.com/ Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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And just why is this *not* believed to have happined at a company with a proven *bad* background ? http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767 tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids. > Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the > loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have > actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker > knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe > "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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I think the RIAA would jump at the chance to use something like that to close file sharers’ internet access.

> And just why is this *not* believed to have happined at a company with > a proven *bad* background ? > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767 > tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Wrong idea.  Don’t blame the kids for being kids. > Bullshit. The "kids" as you call them are one step away of causing the > loss off human life with some of these hacks.  While not believed to have > actually happened the big blackout could have been caused by a hacker > knocking the grid off line. My kids never did anything like that.. Maybe > "your" kids were brought up that way.. not mine. > — > "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. >  It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we >  find him!"                    George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 > "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really >  don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." >                               George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 >  http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study The Times of India Sunday, April 20, 2003 Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and stressful lifestyle. A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight kilos with no corresponding increase in height. Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the study said. The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. The study, largest of its kind conducted here included five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the children are more prone to early diabetes and hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) of Bhavan-SPARC. Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases of obesity among school children, she added. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msi… Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 5 Vaishakh 5104, Tuesday, May 6, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau       Mesh Mase Shukl Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam Ardr-Punarvasu Nakshatr Dhriti-Shool Yog      Balav-Kaulav Karan Panchami-Shasthi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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Which absolutely proves to me that the world’s gravity is shifting.  The gravitational pull of the planet is holding us closer to the earth causing school children to stop growing up and instead start growing out.  With this phenomena occurring all across the globe, we can expect increases in major health concerns such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke, and they will occur at earlier than expected ages with no respect to gender. (wonders if the government will pay me to research this idea if I word it wordy enough) Bonita Here’s another one: Women are 20 percent more likely to experience fat redepositing since adipose tissue contains significant amounts of water as opposed to lean muscle mass.  The moon’s gravitational pull has been shown to shift entire oceans from right to left twice daily, and this gravity to water ratio affects women more strongly than men. (I really should have gone into research, oodles of money there if you can spin a yarn fast enough) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are > prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases > of obesity among school children, she added.

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Ack!  I cross posted this drivel. Bonita

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Which absolutely proves to me that the world’s gravity > is shifting.  The gravitational pull of the planet is > holding us closer to the earth causing school children > to stop growing up and instead start growing out. With > this phenomena occurring all across the globe, we can > expect increases in major health concerns such as > cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke, and they > will occur at earlier than expected ages with no > respect to gender. > (wonders if the government will pay me to research this > idea if I word it wordy enough) > Bonita > Here’s another one: > Women are 20 percent more likely to experience fat > redepositing since adipose tissue contains significant > amounts of water as opposed to lean muscle mass.  The > moon’s gravitational pull has been shown to shift > entire oceans from right to left twice daily, and this > gravity to water ratio affects women more strongly than > men. > (I really should have gone into research, oodles of > money there if you can spin a yarn fast enough) message > School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: > Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and > are > prone to early development of diabetes and > hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students > in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya > Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight > of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, > the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya > said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of > the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here > included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya > said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that > the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase > and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management > clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the > habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing > cases > of obesity among school children, she added.

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What it is is that children are being allowed to gravitate toward junk food more and more. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Which absolutely proves to me that the world’s gravity > is shifting.  The gravitational pull of the planet is > holding us closer to the earth causing school children > to stop growing up and instead start growing out.  With > this phenomena occurring all across the globe, we can > expect increases in major health concerns such as > cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke, and they > will occur at earlier than expected ages with no > respect to gender. > (wonders if the government will pay me to research this > idea if I word it wordy enough) > Bonita > Here’s another one: > Women are 20 percent more likely to experience fat > redepositing since adipose tissue contains significant > amounts of water as opposed to lean muscle mass.  The > moon’s gravitational pull has been shown to shift > entire oceans from right to left twice daily, and this > gravity to water ratio affects women more strongly than > men. > (I really should have gone into research, oodles of > money there if you can spin a yarn fast enough) > School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: > Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and > are > prone to early development of diabetes and > hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students > in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya > Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight > of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, > the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya > said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of > the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here > included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya > said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that > the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase > and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management > clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the > habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing > cases > of obesity among school children, she added. > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/a > rticleshow?msid=43981425 > Read the complete news at: > http://www.timesofindia.com > News Plus > http://www.mantra.com/newsplus > Jai Maharaj > http://www.mantra.com/jai > Om Shanti > Panchaang for 5 Vaishakh 5104, Tuesday, May 6, 2003: > Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau >       Mesh Mase Shukl Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam > Ardr-Punarvasu Nakshatr Dhriti-Shool Yog >      Balav-Kaulav Karan Panchami-Shasthi Yam Tithau > Hindu Holocaust Museum > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy > http://www.hindu.org > http://www.hindunet.org > The truth about Islam and Muslims > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate > Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for > the educational > purposes of research and open discussion. The > contents of this post > may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily > represent the > opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by > copyright law > and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. > If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not > be > considered or answered if it does not contain your > full > legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and > live > voice telephone number.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are > prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases > of obesity among school children, she added.

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School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study PTI Sunday, April 20, 2003 Mumbai – Pointing out that school children aged between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and stressful lifestyle. A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight kilos with no corresponding increase in height. Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the study said. The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. The study, largest of its kind conducted here included five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the children are more prone to early diabetes and hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) of Bhavan-SPARC. Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases of obesity among school children, she added. Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 18 Vaishakh 5104, Sunday, May 18, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Bhanu Vasara Yuktayam Mool-Purvashadh Nakshatr Sadhya Yog      Vishti-Bav Karan Tritiya-Chaturthi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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>School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study >PTI >Sunday, April 20, 2003

Did it ever occur to you that some of us read the newspaper and have access to the television and also read news on the internet? gee.. Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study The Times of India Sunday, April 20, 2003 Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and stressful lifestyle. A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight kilos with no corresponding increase in height. Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the study said. The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. The study, largest of its kind conducted here included five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the children are more prone to early diabetes and hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) of Bhavan-SPARC. Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases of obesity among school children, she added. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msi… Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 5 Vaishakh 5104, Tuesday, May 6, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau       Mesh Mase Shukl Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam Ardr-Punarvasu Nakshatr Dhriti-Shool Yog      Balav-Kaulav Karan Panchami-Shasthi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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Which absolutely proves to me that the world’s gravity is shifting.  The gravitational pull of the planet is holding us closer to the earth causing school children to stop growing up and instead start growing out.  With this phenomena occurring all across the globe, we can expect increases in major health concerns such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke, and they will occur at earlier than expected ages with no respect to gender. (wonders if the government will pay me to research this idea if I word it wordy enough) Bonita Here’s another one: Women are 20 percent more likely to experience fat redepositing since adipose tissue contains significant amounts of water as opposed to lean muscle mass.  The moon’s gravitational pull has been shown to shift entire oceans from right to left twice daily, and this gravity to water ratio affects women more strongly than men. (I really should have gone into research, oodles of money there if you can spin a yarn fast enough) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are > prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases > of obesity among school children, she added.

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Ack!  I cross posted this drivel. Bonita

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Which absolutely proves to me that the world’s gravity > is shifting.  The gravitational pull of the planet is > holding us closer to the earth causing school children > to stop growing up and instead start growing out. With > this phenomena occurring all across the globe, we can > expect increases in major health concerns such as > cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke, and they > will occur at earlier than expected ages with no > respect to gender. > (wonders if the government will pay me to research this > idea if I word it wordy enough) > Bonita > Here’s another one: > Women are 20 percent more likely to experience fat > redepositing since adipose tissue contains significant > amounts of water as opposed to lean muscle mass.  The > moon’s gravitational pull has been shown to shift > entire oceans from right to left twice daily, and this > gravity to water ratio affects women more strongly than > men. > (I really should have gone into research, oodles of > money there if you can spin a yarn fast enough) message > School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: > Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and > are > prone to early development of diabetes and > hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students > in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya > Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight > of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, > the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya > said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of > the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here > included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya > said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that > the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase > and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management > clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the > habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing > cases > of obesity among school children, she added.

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What it is is that children are being allowed to gravitate toward junk food more and more. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Which absolutely proves to me that the world’s gravity > is shifting.  The gravitational pull of the planet is > holding us closer to the earth causing school children > to stop growing up and instead start growing out.  With > this phenomena occurring all across the globe, we can > expect increases in major health concerns such as > cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke, and they > will occur at earlier than expected ages with no > respect to gender. > (wonders if the government will pay me to research this > idea if I word it wordy enough) > Bonita > Here’s another one: > Women are 20 percent more likely to experience fat > redepositing since adipose tissue contains significant > amounts of water as opposed to lean muscle mass.  The > moon’s gravitational pull has been shown to shift > entire oceans from right to left twice daily, and this > gravity to water ratio affects women more strongly than > men. > (I really should have gone into research, oodles of > money there if you can spin a yarn fast enough) > School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: > Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and > are > prone to early development of diabetes and > hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students > in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya > Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight > of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, > the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya > said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of > the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here > included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya > said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that > the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase > and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management > clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the > habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing > cases > of obesity among school children, she added. > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/a > rticleshow?msid=43981425 > Read the complete news at: > http://www.timesofindia.com > News Plus > http://www.mantra.com/newsplus > Jai Maharaj > http://www.mantra.com/jai > Om Shanti > Panchaang for 5 Vaishakh 5104, Tuesday, May 6, 2003: > Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau >       Mesh Mase Shukl Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam > Ardr-Punarvasu Nakshatr Dhriti-Shool Yog >      Balav-Kaulav Karan Panchami-Shasthi Yam Tithau > Hindu Holocaust Museum > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy > http://www.hindu.org > http://www.hindunet.org > The truth about Islam and Muslims > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate > Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for > the educational > purposes of research and open discussion. The > contents of this post > may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily > represent the > opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by > copyright law > and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. > If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not > be > considered or answered if it does not contain your > full > legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and > live > voice telephone number.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study > The Times of India > Sunday, April 20, 2003 > Mumbai (PTI) – Pointing out that school children aged > between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are > prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, > researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and > stressful lifestyle. > A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in > the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s > Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- > SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of > children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight > kilos with no corresponding increase in height. > Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the > increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age > group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the > study said. > The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, > if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the > same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. > The study, largest of its kind conducted here included > five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School > Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. > "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the > children are more prone to early diabetes and > hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and > some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr > Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) > of Bhavan-SPARC. > Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of > eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases > of obesity among school children, she added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msi… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Read the complete news at: > http://www.timesofindia.com > News Plus > http://www.mantra.com/newsplus > Jai Maharaj > http://www.mantra.com/jai > Om Shanti > Panchaang for 5 Vaishakh 5104, Tuesday, May 6, 2003: > Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau >       Mesh Mase Shukl Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam > Ardr-Punarvasu Nakshatr Dhriti-Shool Yog >      Balav-Kaulav Karan Panchami-Shasthi Yam Tithau > Hindu Holocaust Museum > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy > http://www.hindu.org > http://www.hindunet.org > The truth about Islam and Muslims > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate > Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post > may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the > opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law > and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. > If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be > considered or answered if it does not contain your full > legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live > voice telephone number.

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School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study PTI Sunday, April 20, 2003 Mumbai – Pointing out that school children aged between 14 and 16 are reportedly getting fatter and are prone to early development of diabetes and hypertension, researchers have blamed junk food, sedentary and stressful lifestyle. A study carried out in more than 7000 school students in the city for over two decades by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan’s Swami Prakashnanda Ayurvedic Research centre (Bhavan- SPARC) had shown that at present the average weight of children aged six to 16 has gone up by five to eight kilos with no corresponding increase in height. Specifically, for the boys aged between 14 and 16, the increase averages at 10 kg while girls of similar age group showed an average increase of seven kilos, the study said. The chief coordinator of the study, Dr Rama Vaidya said, if a 14 year old boy weighed 49 kg in 1980, a boy of the same age is likely to weight 59 kg today. The study, largest of its kind conducted here included five schools under the Bhavan-SPARC project ‘School Health Education and Enlightened Living’, Vaidya said. "The study clearly showed an alarming indication that the children are more prone to early diabetes and hypertension. They also showed mean weight increase and some children are overweight/obese", according to Dr Meena Shringi, the consultant (weight management clinic) of Bhavan-SPARC. Stressful and sedentary lifestyle along with the habit of eating junk food has contributed to the increasing cases of obesity among school children, she added. Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 18 Vaishakh 5104, Sunday, May 18, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Bhanu Vasara Yuktayam Mool-Purvashadh Nakshatr Sadhya Yog      Vishti-Bav Karan Tritiya-Chaturthi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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>School children getting fatter, prone to diabetes: Study >PTI >Sunday, April 20, 2003

Did it ever occur to you that some of us read the newspaper and have access to the television and also read news on the internet? gee.. Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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As some of you might know, I’ve been trying to figure out ways of lowering the cost of my diabetes since I was booted from my insurance plan.  I’m wondering now if I should switch to lower-cost insulins.  When I became diabetic, I had an R/N combination.  I’ve since been moved up to Humalog/Lantus.  From my understanding, these are the most expensive insulins on the market.  I believe it.  When price comparing, the Lantus at Rite Aid was around $51 (Walmart was about $0.50 cheaper), and the Humalog at Rite Aid was around $65 (Walmart was about $4 cheaper).   Any thoughts on this?  If I get switched to the lower-costing insulins, maybe I can afford to actually go to a doctor, possibly even an occasional eye doctor, too. Again, as many of you might know, it’s been around a year and a half since I’ve been to a doctor, and the last time I went he wasn’t entirely pleased with me and gave me the standard fair about how he had a patient my age (22 at the time) who had to be on dialysis because her kidney’s failed, etc. etc. etc. Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >As some of you might know, I’ve been trying to figure out ways of lowering >the cost of my diabetes since I was booted from my insurance plan.  I’m >wondering now if I should switch to lower-cost insulins.  When I became >diabetic, I had an R/N combination.  I’ve since been moved up to >Humalog/Lantus.  From my understanding, these are the most expensive >insulins on the market.  I believe it.  When price comparing, the Lantus at >Rite Aid was around $51 (Walmart was about $0.50 cheaper), and the Humalog >at Rite Aid was around $65 (Walmart was about $4 cheaper).   Any thoughts on >this?  If I get switched to the lower-costing insulins, maybe I can afford >to actually go to a doctor, possibly even an occasional eye doctor, too. >Again, as many of you might know, it’s been around a year and a half since >I’ve been to a doctor, and the last time I went he wasn’t entirely pleased >with me and gave me the standard fair about how he had a patient my age (22 >at the time) who had to be on dialysis because her kidney’s failed, etc. >etc. etc. >Ken

    I hit an HbA1c of 5.9 while on the Regular + NPH combination.   The Humalog + Ultralente or Humalog + Lantus combo is much easier to use, but you can control with the cheaper insulins.  I use Ultralente as my basal.  I shoot 3 times a day, 7 am, 5 pm, and 9 pm. That gives me full 24-hour coverage with more basal dribbling in during my bad times, i.e. my fierce morning effect hours.   Ultralente is tricky to use.  The insulin crystals will settle out while you are looking at them.  I shake the vial, insert the syringe, then shake it again while the needle is in the septum.   Many literature sources say "never shake insulin" because you will end up with air bubbles which will enter your syringe.  However,  I believe that is an NPH warning, not an Ultralente warning.   I just don’t have any problems with air bubbles. I get six weeks to a bottle of Ultralente then discard it at about 75% consumed because I am nervous about any slow drift in composition caused by the mixing/settling issue.  Ultralente and NPH cost about the same. I made NPH work by shooting it 4 times a day.  I have noticed references to "tight control" by the research docs and they always refer to shooting NPH 4 times as day.  It has a peak at 4-6 hours after injection so you time your shots for 3-4 hours before each meal plus a last shot of the day around midnight.  That is a royal pain in the ankle, but it is feasible. Humalog gives you the power of shooting a few minutes before a meal and being able to rely on an insulin peak coinciding with a glucose peak from digestion.  However, if you shoot regular an hour to an hour and a half early, you can get about the same effect. It’s very inconvenient to do that, e.g.   shoot your meal-time Regular while traveling home from work.  Otherwise, delay your meals and sit around hungry while the Regular is building up an effect. It’s also risky since you often can’t guarantee when and what you will eat. Also, hypo-unaware folks would have a lot of trouble with that technique. However, folks did it for 40 (?) years before Humalog came along. The more slower-digesting foods you eat, the easier it will be to use Regular. An example of a really rigorous Regular + NPH schedule:  Wake at 5:30 am,  shoot Regular  Breakfast at 7:00 am Shoot lunchtime NPH at 9 am Shoot lunchtime Regular at 11 am Lunch at 12 noon Shoot Dinner-time NPH at 3 pm Shoot Dinner-time Regular at 5 pm Dinner at 6 pm Shoot snack-time Regular at 8 pm Snack at 9 pm Shoot night-time NPH at Midnight. (Sorta obvious why I switched to 7 am, 5 pm, 9 pm Ultralente for a basal) You can move those shots closer together, move them closer to the meals, and move them to more convenient times, but you start to sacrifice control when you do so. You do what you can. There are a lot of folks in "wait and see" over the concept of using Humalog, Novolog, and Lantus with children and pregnant women.  They do this kind of stuff all the time. Good Luck Old Al (Humalog + Ultralente via 4 shots per day, or 5 or 7 or 9 or as many as needed)

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As some of you might know, I’ve been trying to figure out ways of lowering the cost of my diabetes since I was booted from my insurance plan.  I’m wondering now if I should switch to lower-cost insulins.  When I became diabetic, I had an R/N combination.  I’ve since been moved up to Humalog/Lantus.  From my understanding, these are the most expensive insulins on the market.  I believe it.  When price comparing, the Lantus at Rite Aid was around $51 (Walmart was about $0.50 cheaper), and the Humalog at Rite Aid was around $65 (Walmart was about $4 cheaper).   Any thoughts on this?  If I get switched to the lower-costing insulins, maybe I can afford to actually go to a doctor, possibly even an occasional eye doctor, too. Again, as many of you might know, it’s been around a year and a half since I’ve been to a doctor, and the last time I went he wasn’t entirely pleased with me and gave me the standard fair about how he had a patient my age (22 at the time) who had to be on dialysis because her kidney’s failed, etc. etc. etc. Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >As some of you might know, I’ve been trying to figure out ways of lowering >the cost of my diabetes since I was booted from my insurance plan.  I’m >wondering now if I should switch to lower-cost insulins.  When I became >diabetic, I had an R/N combination.  I’ve since been moved up to >Humalog/Lantus.  From my understanding, these are the most expensive >insulins on the market.  I believe it.  When price comparing, the Lantus at >Rite Aid was around $51 (Walmart was about $0.50 cheaper), and the Humalog >at Rite Aid was around $65 (Walmart was about $4 cheaper).   Any thoughts on >this?  If I get switched to the lower-costing insulins, maybe I can afford >to actually go to a doctor, possibly even an occasional eye doctor, too. >Again, as many of you might know, it’s been around a year and a half since >I’ve been to a doctor, and the last time I went he wasn’t entirely pleased >with me and gave me the standard fair about how he had a patient my age (22 >at the time) who had to be on dialysis because her kidney’s failed, etc. >etc. etc. >Ken

    I hit an HbA1c of 5.9 while on the Regular + NPH combination.   The Humalog + Ultralente or Humalog + Lantus combo is much easier to use, but you can control with the cheaper insulins.  I use Ultralente as my basal.  I shoot 3 times a day, 7 am, 5 pm, and 9 pm. That gives me full 24-hour coverage with more basal dribbling in during my bad times, i.e. my fierce morning effect hours.   Ultralente is tricky to use.  The insulin crystals will settle out while you are looking at them.  I shake the vial, insert the syringe, then shake it again while the needle is in the septum.   Many literature sources say "never shake insulin" because you will end up with air bubbles which will enter your syringe.  However,  I believe that is an NPH warning, not an Ultralente warning.   I just don’t have any problems with air bubbles. I get six weeks to a bottle of Ultralente then discard it at about 75% consumed because I am nervous about any slow drift in composition caused by the mixing/settling issue.  Ultralente and NPH cost about the same. I made NPH work by shooting it 4 times a day.  I have noticed references to "tight control" by the research docs and they always refer to shooting NPH 4 times as day.  It has a peak at 4-6 hours after injection so you time your shots for 3-4 hours before each meal plus a last shot of the day around midnight.  That is a royal pain in the ankle, but it is feasible. Humalog gives you the power of shooting a few minutes before a meal and being able to rely on an insulin peak coinciding with a glucose peak from digestion.  However, if you shoot regular an hour to an hour and a half early, you can get about the same effect. It’s very inconvenient to do that, e.g.   shoot your meal-time Regular while traveling home from work.  Otherwise, delay your meals and sit around hungry while the Regular is building up an effect. It’s also risky since you often can’t guarantee when and what you will eat. Also, hypo-unaware folks would have a lot of trouble with that technique. However, folks did it for 40 (?) years before Humalog came along. The more slower-digesting foods you eat, the easier it will be to use Regular. An example of a really rigorous Regular + NPH schedule:  Wake at 5:30 am,  shoot Regular  Breakfast at 7:00 am Shoot lunchtime NPH at 9 am Shoot lunchtime Regular at 11 am Lunch at 12 noon Shoot Dinner-time NPH at 3 pm Shoot Dinner-time Regular at 5 pm Dinner at 6 pm Shoot snack-time Regular at 8 pm Snack at 9 pm Shoot night-time NPH at Midnight. (Sorta obvious why I switched to 7 am, 5 pm, 9 pm Ultralente for a basal) You can move those shots closer together, move them closer to the meals, and move them to more convenient times, but you start to sacrifice control when you do so. You do what you can. There are a lot of folks in "wait and see" over the concept of using Humalog, Novolog, and Lantus with children and pregnant women.  They do this kind of stuff all the time. Good Luck Old Al (Humalog + Ultralente via 4 shots per day, or 5 or 7 or 9 or as many as needed)

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> Failing that…. does anyone know of anywhere still selling Medisense Pen > meters? Or of any other pen-type meters that I could get as an

alternative? A website with numerous meter reviews: http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0i_000.htm The Accu-Chek Active is inexpensive and narrower than most, but it’s not a pen. John C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks in advance for the help. > –Dan Evans > dd_dd75 at hotmail.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "> > Q2. What does the message E2 mean? > This message can appear when you have a Precision Q.I.D., MediSense Pen or > MediSense Card. It means either: > During a test or calibration: your meter has detected a momentary > interference. You should repeat the test or calibration, using a fresh test > strip. > If the message appears immediately after 88.8, it means there is an > electronic failure. You should contact the Customer Services Helpline. > (possibly reinserting batteries may work) > — > DaveT > T1 since 1955

I wonder if static has knackered it? — Chris 2de dx Sept 99 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Thanks for all the help, folks. I think I’ll either fork out

Question:

> Failing that…. does anyone know of anywhere still selling Medisense Pen > meters? Or of any other pen-type meters that I could get as an

alternative? A website with numerous meter reviews: http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0i_000.htm The Accu-Chek Active is inexpensive and narrower than most, but it’s not a pen. John C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks in advance for the help. > –Dan Evans > dd_dd75 at hotmail.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "> > Q2. What does the message E2 mean? > This message can appear when you have a Precision Q.I.D., MediSense Pen or > MediSense Card. It means either: > During a test or calibration: your meter has detected a momentary > interference. You should repeat the test or calibration, using a fresh test > strip. > If the message appears immediately after 88.8, it means there is an > electronic failure. You should contact the Customer Services Helpline. > (possibly reinserting batteries may work) > — > DaveT > T1 since 1955

I wonder if static has knackered it? — Chris 2de dx Sept 99 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

Response:

Thanks for all the help, folks. I think I’ll either fork out

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>*Apologies for cross-postings*

>Yellow Enterprises announces the publication of a new book on diabetes >management. The book is aimed at parents with diabetic children, diabetic >educators and diabetics, as well as physicians. It can be ordered online via >a secure server from our website

Just what we need–another book on diabetes.  You know I should find some spice with a medical odor and sell as my famous" Stinky Weed".. I deeply resent the bunch of Locusts chasing my dwindling money. I guess I should have spent my time learning creative writing.  It would have paid better.  I cuss my ancestors for having an inherent  conscience. If you deal with these spammers you had better check, you may lose your drawers.                                            Guy

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apology for the crossposted spamming NOT accepted everyone report tha bastards – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > *Apologies for cross-postings* > Yellow Enterprises announces the publication of a new book on diabetes > management. The book is aimed at parents with diabetic children, diabetic > educators and diabetics, as well as physicians. It can be ordered online via > a secure server from our website at http://www.diabetes-scam.com. The > book is available in electronic format or in hardcopy. The electronic > version can be downloaded directly from the website. The book is accompanied > by a video that is available on CD or tape. > About the book > <long commercial post deleted>

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*Apologies for cross-postings* Yellow Enterprises announces the publication of a new book on diabetes management. The book is aimed at parents with diabetic children, diabetic educators and diabetics, as well as physicians. It can be ordered online via a secure server from our website at http://www.diabetes-helpline.com. The book is available in electronic format or in hardcopy. The electronic version can be downloaded directly from the website. The book is accompanied by a video that is available on CD or tape. About the book The way we think, the way we process information and the way our minds work, determine virtually everything in our lives. It determines the way we organize our lives, the way we interact with others, the way we decorate our offices, the way we dress, the way we go on holiday and THE WAY WE MANAGE DIABETES. For the first time ever the management of diabetes is linked to thinking styles and thinking preferences. By applying the principles of Ned Herrmann on whole brain thinking and the way the brain works Van Dyk and De Boer have come up with a unique and creative book to help physicians, diabetes educators, diabetics and the parents of diabetics understand others, themselves and their management of diabetes better. The book explains in a very practical manner how applying the whole brain model developed by Herrmann can make a huge difference in managing diabetes, and how it can enhance the quality of life for all involved in caring for diabetics. The book is 57 pages long. The online and CD versions are in Adobe PDF

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>*Apologies for cross-postings*

>Yellow Enterprises announces the publication of a new book on diabetes >management. The book is aimed at parents with diabetic children, diabetic >educators and diabetics, as well as physicians. It can be ordered online via >a secure server from our website

Just what we need–another book on diabetes.  You know I should find some spice with a medical odor and sell as my famous" Stinky Weed".. I deeply resent the bunch of Locusts chasing my dwindling money. I guess I should have spent my time learning creative writing.  It would have paid better.  I cuss my ancestors for having an inherent  conscience. If you deal with these spammers you had better check, you may lose your drawers.                                            Guy

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apology for the crossposted spamming NOT accepted everyone report tha bastards – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > *Apologies for cross-postings* > Yellow Enterprises announces the publication of a new book on diabetes > management. The book is aimed at parents with diabetic children, diabetic > educators and diabetics, as well as physicians. It can be ordered online via > a secure server from our website at http://www.diabetes-scam.com. The > book is available in electronic format or in hardcopy. The electronic > version can be downloaded directly from the website. The book is accompanied > by a video that is available on CD or tape. > About the book > <long commercial post deleted>

Response:

*Apologies for cross-postings* Yellow Enterprises announces the publication of a new book on diabetes management. The book is aimed at parents with diabetic children, diabetic educators and diabetics, as well as physicians. It can be ordered online via a secure server from our website at http://www.diabetes-helpline.com. The book is available in electronic format or in hardcopy. The electronic version can be downloaded directly from the website. The book is accompanied by a video that is available on CD or tape. About the book The way we think, the way we process information and the way our minds work, determine virtually everything in our lives. It determines the way we organize our lives, the way we interact with others, the way we decorate our offices, the way we dress, the way we go on holiday and THE WAY WE MANAGE DIABETES. For the first time ever the management of diabetes is linked to thinking styles and thinking preferences. By applying the principles of Ned Herrmann on whole brain thinking and the way the brain works Van Dyk and De Boer have come up with a unique and creative book to help physicians, diabetes educators, diabetics and the parents of diabetics understand others, themselves and their management of diabetes better. The book explains in a very practical manner how applying the whole brain model developed by Herrmann can make a huge difference in managing diabetes, and how it can enhance the quality of life for all involved in caring for diabetics. The book is 57 pages long. The online and CD versions are in Adobe PDF