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At the diabetes seminar last Friday one of the sales reps said that my insurance would probably pay for my supplies. So, with a few minutes to spare I went to a website that sells diabetes supplies and sure enough…they will pay!! So, to test it, I ordered a Freestyle and 50 strips for $7.64. I am so pleased I don’t know how to act!! <G> I can automatically re-order my strips each month and they are shipped to me within 3-5 days. I also ordered some fancy-smancy lotion for my dry skin, $8.97.  This is great! Just thought I would mention this in case anyone else wonders if their insurance will pay. Go to www.diabeticpromotions.com and there is a place that you can chose your insurance company and they will pull it from their database and see if your insurance will pay. Then when you go shopping it will tell you what you pay for the item under your insurance plan. Really cool. Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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That is good news and I’m sure it’s a load off your mind. Thanks for letting us know. Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >At the diabetes seminar last Friday one of the sales reps said that my >insurance would probably pay for my supplies. So, with a few minutes >to spare I went to a website that sells diabetes supplies and sure >enough…they will pay!! So, to test it, I ordered a Freestyle and 50 >strips for $7.64. I am so pleased I don’t know how to act!! <G>

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Hey, that’s almost free!  Lucky, lucky girl.  Congrats on the good news~! Bonita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > At the diabetes seminar last Friday one of the sales reps said that my > insurance would probably pay for my supplies. So, with a few minutes > to spare I went to a website that sells diabetes supplies and sure > enough…they will pay!! So, to test it, I ordered a Freestyle and 50 > strips for $7.64. I am so pleased I don’t know how to act!! <G> > I can automatically re-order my strips each month and they are shipped > to me within 3-5 days. I also ordered some fancy-smancy lotion for my > dry skin, $8.97.  This is great! > Just thought I would mention this in case anyone else wonders if their > insurance will pay. Go to www.diabeticpromotions.com and there is a > place that you can chose your insurance company and they will pull it > from their database and see if your insurance will pay. Then when you > go shopping it will tell you what you pay for the item under your > insurance plan. Really cool. > Dana > "There must be more to life >  than having everything." >   Maurice Sendak

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Don’t you need a Rx from your Dr. before the insurance will pay?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> At the diabetes seminar last Friday one of the sales reps said that my > insurance would probably pay for my supplies. So, with a few minutes > to spare I went to a website that sells diabetes supplies and sure > enough…they will pay!! So, to test it, I ordered a Freestyle and 50 > strips for $7.64. I am so pleased I don’t know how to act!! <G> > I can automatically re-order my strips each month and they are shipped > to me within 3-5 days. I also ordered some fancy-smancy lotion for my > dry skin, $8.97.  This is great! > Just thought I would mention this in case anyone else wonders if their > insurance will pay. Go to www.diabeticpromotions.com and there is a > place that you can chose your insurance company and they will pull it > from their database and see if your insurance will pay. Then when you > go shopping it will tell you what you pay for the item under your > insurance plan. Really cool. > Dana > "There must be more to life >  than having everything." >   Maurice Sendak

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>Don’t you need a Rx from your Dr. before the insurance will pay?

I don’t know. The website needed my doctors name and phone number and they also wanted me to fill out a AOB form (Assignment of Benefits). I suppose they will call my doctor, get his approval or something and then submit the claim to my insurance company with a AOB form attached. This is the first time I have done this sort of thing online so it is a learning experience for me. It’s just nice to know that its available to me. If anyone else is unsure about their insurance benefits go to the website and put your insurance company in and see what it says. Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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>Don’t you need a Rx from your Dr. before the insurance will pay?

I have that requirement.   Only Humulog requires an Rx these days, but I need a script for the Humalin L also, in order for my insurance to pay for it.  My endo provides an annual Rx sheet of just about everything I could need in the course of a year.   I also have the world’s greatest phamarcists.  A team of two women at my local Dominick’s (Safeway store) whom I consider key members of my health care team. Of course, I use a lot of meds that are not for my diabetes per se.  They keep track of everything prescribed by a half dozen different doctors who aren’t very good at coordination.   Live help from friendly, highly educated and continuously informed pharmacists isn’t something I’d want to give up. Laurie

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>Live help from friendly, highly educated and continuously informed pharmacists >isn’t something I’d want to give up.

Well, I don’t blame you there. I have a great Eckerds Pharmacy here in town to get my meds from. But, the things I am ordering online are the meter and the test strips for it. So, I don’t have to worry about those things. As for medicine that I take, I want to know the person dispensing them. Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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That’s a good way to get the best of both, Dana.  Who really cares about the source of meters and strips?  Now I wish I could go back and read your original post, as I’m shopping for a new meter (and haven’t quite frankly done my homework yet.) I always click "mark all read" on my newsgroups page and then can’t go back to retrieve messages.  Sounds incredibly stupid – but could you tell me what meter you’ve ordered and why you selected it? Also (forgive me!) the name of the website you’re using? Thanks, Laurie

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>I always click "mark all read" on my newsgroups page and then can’t go back to >retrieve messages.  Sounds incredibly stupid – but could you tell me what meter >you’ve ordered and why you selected it? >Also (forgive me!) the name of the website you’re using?

Hey, I do the same thing. The website is WWW.DiabeticSupplies.com . And I just got a call from them about my order. I was going to pay the co-pay, which I mentioned before, but they have talked to my insurance company and I don’t have to pay a dime!! I know when I get my prescriptions filled if its for a diabetic med I don’t pay for it, its always free. I don’t even have to meet a deductible…I just have never paid for it in a about 4 years. I am more than very pleased now!! <G> The meter I am buying is the Freestyle meter because it says it takes less blood than any other meter. I don’t think that is true anymore because at the seminar I attended last Friday there was one called a BD Logic that takes a sample about the size of the head of a pin, but I couldn’t find where DS offers that one yet. Its brand new. It even comes with 33 guage lancets which are the smallest yet. So, I will use the Freestyle and when it gets old maybe I can order the Logic. I hope this helps. Dana >Thanks, >Laurie

"There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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Thanks for all of the info, Dana.  I’m going to check it out with my insurance! Laurie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The website is WWW.DiabeticSupplies.com . And I just got a call from >them about my order. I was going to pay the co-pay, which I mentioned >before, but they have talked to my insurance company and I don’t have >to pay a dime!! I know when I get my prescriptions filled if its for a >diabetic med I don’t pay for it, its always free. I don’t even have to >meet a deductible…I just have never paid for it in a about 4 years. >I am more than very pleased now!! <G> >The meter I am buying is the Freestyle meter because it says it takes >less blood than any other meter. I don’t think that is true anymore >because at the seminar I attended last Friday there was one called a >BD Logic that takes a sample about the size of the head of a pin, but >I couldn’t find where DS offers that one yet. Its brand new. It even >comes with 33 guage lancets which are the smallest yet. So, I will use >the Freestyle and when it gets old maybe I can order the Logic. >I hope this helps. >Dana >Thanks, >Laurie >"There must be more to life > than having everything." >  Maurice Sendak

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> I don’t know how to act!! <G>

It has been noticed

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>> I don’t know how to act!! <G> >It has been noticed

Ahh…..Richard Cranium again…. Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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> I don’t know how to act!! <G> > It has been noticed

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!

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>> > I don’t know how to act!! <G> > It has been noticed >Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!

Hey, don’t encourage him,  he’s insufferable already!! Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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>> I don’t know how to act!! <G> >It has been noticed

Well at least for now the insurance pays.  I have written my congressman in Washington, DC to please block H.R. 660 which is legislation currently pending in the House of Representatives will allow insurance companies to skirt state laws that require them to cover diabetes equipment, supplies and education. To date, state-regulated insurance companies in 46 states are required to cover diabetes needs (Alabama, Idaho, North Dakota and Ohio are the hold-outs). However, if H.R. 660 passes in its current version, some people with diabetes in those states who receive coverage under a state-regulated program could lose everything. I know I would sure hate to have to pay 100% everything for my diabetes supplies. I hate to think how much insulin costs with syringes and pumps. H.R. 660 passing seems to me it could end up we paying for everything to do with diabetes. any one heard anymore on this issue? Gary K8IZ Registered Linux User # 312991

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>I know I would sure hate to have to pay 100% everything for my >diabetes supplies. I hate to think how much insulin costs with >syringes and pumps. H.R. 660 passing seems to me it could end up we >paying for everything to do with diabetes.

No, I haven’t heard anything. Why would they pass a law like that with an election year coming up and half of the US becoming or already are diabetics? Doesn’t make sense… Dana "There must be more to life  than having everything."   Maurice Sendak

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I know I would sure hate to have to pay 100% everything for my >diabetes supplies. I hate to think how much insulin costs with >syringes and pumps. H.R. 660 passing seems to me it could end up we >paying for everything to do with diabetes. >No, I haven’t heard anything. Why would they pass a law like that with >an election year coming up and half of the US becoming or already are >diabetics? Doesn’t make sense… >Dana >"There must be more to life > than having everything." >  Maurice Sendak

Its listed on the ADA site diabetes.org under advocacy here is the link http://advocacy.diabetes.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AC_Washington I was wondering why no chatter about this bill. Seems many diabetics would be up in arms about it.  Since I live in Washington State, the state issues for my state will also show. Gary K8IZ Registered Linux User # 312991

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Everyone here should want to write their congressional reps in opposition to HR 660.  The ADA’s advocacy center has form letters available.  Check out their web site for more info. http://advocacy.diabetes.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AC_homepage Laurie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have written my >congressman in Washington, DC to please block >H.R. 660 which is legislation currently pending in the House of >Representatives will allow insurance companies to skirt state laws >that require them to cover diabetes equipment, supplies and education. >To date, state-regulated insurance companies in 46 states are required >to cover diabetes needs (Alabama, Idaho, North Dakota and Ohio are the >hold-outs). However, if H.R. 660 passes in its current version, some >people with diabetes in those states who receive coverage under a >state-regulated program could lose everything. >I know I would sure hate to have to pay 100% everything for my >diabetes supplies. I hate to think how much insulin costs with >syringes and pumps. H.R. 660 passing seems to me it could end up we >paying for everything to do with diabetes. >any one heard anymore on this issue? >Gary K8IZ >Registered Linux User # 312991

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I am glad to hear that you have insurance in the US that will pay for the diabetic supplies, because I have read in previous thread just how expensive it can be. I am fortunate in the UK because the National Health Service here pays for almost all of the supplies that I need. Although I have to buy my testing kit myself, I get all the rest free of charge on prescription from my GP – this includes needles, testing strips, insulin, syringes and I get a new insulin pen as and when necessary from the Diabetic Clinic at hospital. This is not meant as a go at US medicine at all. It is just to give you another perspective on how things are done in different parts of the world. For all you guys over the water, I think the message is make sure you have insurance – it would appear worth it. Cheers and good health Martin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> At the diabetes seminar last Friday one of the sales reps said that my > insurance would probably pay for my supplies. So, with a few minutes > to spare I went to a website that sells diabetes supplies and sure > enough…they will pay!! So, to test it, I ordered a Freestyle and 50 > strips for $7.64. I am so pleased I don’t know how to act!! <G> > I can automatically re-order my strips each month and they are shipped > to me within 3-5 days. I also ordered some fancy-smancy lotion for my > dry skin, $8.97.  This is great! > Just thought I would mention this in case anyone else wonders if their > insurance will pay. Go to www.diabeticpromotions.com and there is a > place that you can chose your insurance company and they will pull it > from their database and see if your insurance will pay. Then when you > go shopping it will tell you what you pay for the item under your > insurance plan. Really cool. > Dana > "There must be more to life >  than having everything." >   Maurice Sendak

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>This is not meant as a go at US medicine at all. It is just to give you >another perspective on how things are done in different parts of the world. >For all you guys over the water, I think the message is make sure you have >insurance – it would appear worth it.

Yes, we certainly need insurance here. I wonder though about the quality of your health care. I realize there is a down side to our health care system, such as needless testing and such. But are your doctors as motivated as ours? Isn’t it true there is no recourse if the care from your doctor is not up to par, so he has no incentive to do his best? I don’t know, I am just asking. Dana "The person who tells a lie, who transgresses in this one thing, transcending concern for the world beyond: there’s no evil he might not do. -Dhammapada

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From Guy  Williams With over 60,000 newsgroups why do some disturbed people like to disrupt these two groups.  It prevents some sick people from profiting from the exchange of information. If I were younger I would probably spend more time in the groups called erotic.  Now a medical group is what I need. Never need the internet to engage in arguments. Too many in the real world. If I did not have a special interest in diabetes I doubt if I would even look at any group. There is no logic in interrupting a group dedicated to health.  Other groups specialize in arguments. What happened today is not in the realm of reality. Guess I had better not say what I think about this.

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> What happened today is not in the realm of reality. > Guess I had better not say what I think about this.

You did Guy for those of us  that have read your posts and understand how you feel about the groups and diabetes education.

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> From Guy  Williams > With over 60,000 newsgroups why do some > disturbed people like to disrupt these two > groups.  It prevents some sick people > from profiting from the exchange of information.

<snip> It’s not just these two.  I left another medical NG because one particular person was so awful.  She kept coming back again and again under different names.  Her thing was to call people names, and claim they had said horrible things to her when in fact they had not.  She would quote things out of context and then add other bits to make it look bad.  She would then say that she had saved all these things to her hard drive.  She went on to threaten to sue people, or come to their home and inflict bodily harm to them.  All the while, maintaining that she was a nurse.  As if this were not enough, some others began digging up dirt on this nurse and posting it.  Got to the point where most of the posts were OT and most were about this woman. Yet another medical NG I also frequent gets very little Spam and very few problem children.  Don’t know why that one has been spared.  But I’m sure not going to name it!  Don’t way to give anyone ideas.  *L* — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From Guy  Williams > With over 60,000 newsgroups why do some > disturbed people like to disrupt these two > groups.  It prevents some sick people > from profiting from the exchange of information. > <snip> > It’s not just these two.  I left another medical NG because one particular > person was so awful.  She kept coming back again and again under different > names.  Her thing was to call people names, and claim they had said horrible > things to her when in fact they had not.  She would quote things out of > context and then add other bits to make it look bad.  She would then say > that she had saved all these things to her hard drive.  She went on to > threaten to sue people, or come to their home and inflict bodily harm to > them.  All the while, maintaining that she was a nurse.  As if this were not > enough, some others began digging up dirt on this nurse and posting it.  Got > to the point where most of the posts were OT and most were about this woman. > Yet another medical NG I also frequent gets very little Spam and very few > problem children.  Don’t know why that one has been spared.  But I’m sure > not going to name it!  Don’t way to give anyone ideas.  *L* > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Julie Bove, posting from new account

Where does it say that any of us must finish reading any post that does not interest us? Hell, I bypass more of them then I read. If I read the first posting in a thread and am not interested I ignore what comes after. — Chuck "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain it. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln

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> Where does it say that any of us must finish reading any post that does not > interest us? > Hell, I bypass more of them then I read. > If I read the first posting in a thread and am not interested I ignore what > comes after.

True.  But the problem with this gal is that she used so many different names that you could never tell if the post was from her or not until you had clicked on it.  And she disrupted the group so badly that newbies were afraid to post there.  Everything deteriorated to a fight with this one woman and there were so few OT posts that I didn’t want to have to hunt for them.  So I just left. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Where does it say that any of us must finish reading any post that does > not > interest us? > Hell, I bypass more of them then I read. > If I read the first posting in a thread and am not interested I ignore > what > comes after. > True.  But the problem with this gal is that she used so many different > names that you could never tell if the post was from her or not until you > had clicked on it.  And she disrupted the group so badly that newbies were > afraid to post there.  Everything deteriorated to a fight with this one > woman and there were so few OT posts that I didn’t want to have to hunt for > them.  So I just left. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Julie Bove, posting from new account

You know in another international support group I belong to that has saved thousands of lives we say, "If you don’t like the way your home group is being run, work to improve it." We also say, "Take what you can use and leave the rest." — Chuck "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain it. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln

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Guy, Believe it or not, this is tame. I track another ng in which in excess of 90% of the posts are unrelated to, well, anything. Most are debates caused by or with a loser who gone through about 1/2 dozen ISPs that I’ve seen, with language that would make our entire NG blush, in unison. I imagine the only solution is to migrate to a controlled ng – yahoo, msn, etc, where entrance is by permission and you can be denied access with the proverbial flick of a switch. Of course the damage in this is that we won’t get the newbies finding us, and for one, I would hate to deprive the world of advice of pundits such as yourself, which have proved time and time again to be of great value. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >From Guy  Williams >With over 60,000 newsgroups why do some >disturbed people like to disrupt these two >groups.  It prevents some sick people >from profiting from the exchange of information. >If I were younger I would probably spend more >time in the groups called erotic.  Now a medical group >is what I need. >Never need the internet to engage in arguments. >Too many in the real world. >If I did not have a special interest in diabetes >I doubt if I would even look at any group. >There is no logic in interrupting a group dedicated >to health.  Other groups specialize in arguments. >What happened today is not in the realm of reality. >Guess I had better not say what I think about this.

bill_supon at yahoo dot com

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This group really is the best,  as far as I’m concerned. I sometimes lurk in thyroid groups, where half the posters seem to be drug company shills pushing their brands of basically the same drugs or some variations of the same, or others making some claim of how this or that alternative therapy or practitioner has done wonders for their "brain fog," etc. There are also clever, entertaining gurus who make it difficult to challenge some of the claims, so it almost becomes impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff. I’ve found the information here, pretty honest.  Mischief makers or dishonest poster are usually either brought up short or receive replies that make for informative reading for others in the group. Jan

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>From Guy  Williams >With over 60,000 newsgroups why do some >disturbed people like to disrupt these two >groups.  It prevents some sick people >from profiting from the exchange of information.

Guy, I’m sure that God has placed those people here in this newsgroup to remind all of us that there are folks much sicker than we are.  LOL I’ve been knocking around the on-line world since the mid-80s (300 baud BBSs for you old timers) and the best way to deal with the disruptive people (if they can’t be locked out) is to ignore them.  If no one responds, their fun is spoiled and they go away. >If I were younger I would probably spend more >time in the groups called erotic.  Now a medical group >is what I need.

That’s like standing in front of the candy machine at work:  No point at looking at what you can’t have! Doug T2 Dec02

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> Guy, > I’m sure that God has placed those people here in this newsgroup to remind > all of us that there are folks much sicker than we are.  LOL

Indeed.  As soon as I got disconnected from my IV this AM, I called in to the county EOC to volunteer to drive dialysis patients in the ice storm we were supposed to have.  Prediction is now for 5-10 in snowfall, so I may get called in anyway.

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Thank you Jan on behalf of myself,  asd is a home away from home where we discuss what we all have in common one way or another,  We support each other in every way .  I am glad you found us. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Jim–Medicare will pay for 80% of your pump supplies,  If you have a supplement that should cover the other 20%.  Also medicare will pay 80% of the cost of insulin if you are on the pump. Bob H

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> I’m still just a bit "pre-medicare" and am wondering whether Medicare > will cover an insulin pump and supplies once I hit 65.

Are you questioning whether the system will be the same or still around? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m just wondering what I’m in for……?

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> I’m still just a bit "pre-medicare" and am wondering whether Medicare > will cover an insulin pump and supplies once I hit 65.  I’m on a pump > now and my present insurance is very good in what gets covered related > to the pump, insulin, test strips, infusion sets, etc. > I’m just wondering what I’m in for……?

Yes, they will. I have just reached that magical age but have yet to order my first supplies. But, you have to fail a C Peptide. Here is some reading on the Medicare site for C Peptide. http://cms.hhs.gov/coverage/8b3-ss2.asp and here about what/who is covered http://cms.hhs.gov/manuals/06_cim/ci60.asp#_60_14 And, the really good thing is that if you do use a pump your insulin is also covered as being part of the need to operate the durable medical equipment. Hope these links help. It is not too early to get started so that you can know what ypou are getting into. Best wishes with Medicare!!! Joanne ……

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To tell you the truth,  really don’t know. I have part A & B plus a supplement BC/BS of Florida which takes up the 20% that medicare doesn’t pay. I just never pay any bills when it comes to my health insurance because it is covered under the service I have. Sorry.Call medicare,they will surely have a appropriate answer.

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I’m still just a bit "pre-medicare" and am wondering whether Medicare will cover an insulin pump and supplies once I hit 65.  I’m on a pump now and my present insurance is very good in what gets covered related to the pump, insulin, test strips, infusion sets, etc. I’m just wondering what I’m in for……? Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Are any of you on Medicare?if so what can I expect from them/ > I start Medicare in December and have no other Insurance does medicare > pay for any part of  the blood testing that the Drs.do? Please help me > to understand what I am facing. > "He who angers you Controls you" > ……Grandma……

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Brevity has never been considered the soul of wit around here. <G> No apologies necessary. Am I correct in assuming you *are* referring to Medicare Part B only? Thanks, Sleepy >Medicare is the best thing that has ever happened for diabetic people. >They not only pay for a three month supply of lancets, strips and even a >meter,I believe. They also pay for a deep pair of shoes for fee each >year with inserts when needed You do need a prescription either from a >podiatrist or a G.P family practice or endocrinologist. You also get a >podiatrist visit no charge every two months. You are also entitle to >once a year diatetic councilling and and education with a team >DE(Diabetic Educator) If you don’t have an endocrinologist I would >highly recommend it as they lnow the endrocrine system inside and out. >Sorry this is so long.

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Are any of you on Medicare?if so what can I expect from them/ I start Medicare in December and have no other Insurance does medicare pay for any part of  the blood testing that the Drs.do? Please help me to understand what I am facing. "He who angers you Controls you" ……Grandma……

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Yes, Medicare pays 80%  of your office visits, lab work, and your strips and meter, lancets etc. (that’s 80 % of the approved charges.  if your doctor accepts Medicare payment. since most labs accepts Medicare they are also covered by the 80%) i.e.   My 600 test strips cost $360.00,  Medicare approves 206.28,  paid 165.02,  & my supplement paid the rest 41.26.  the supplier cannot bill me for the difference of; $153.72. don

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are any of you on Medicare?if so what can I expect from them/ > I start Medicare in December and have no other Insurance does medicare > pay for any part of  the blood testing that the Drs.do? Please help me > to understand what I am facing. > "He who angers you Controls you" > ……Grandma……

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See a summary of Medicare/diabetes at http://www.medicare.gov/Health/Diabetes.asp The whole medicare.gov site is worth browsing for the basics. bj

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are any of you on Medicare?if so what can I expect from them/ > I start Medicare in December and have no other Insurance does medicare > pay for any part of  the blood testing that the Drs.do? Please help me > to understand what I am facing.

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Medicare is the best thing that has ever happened for diabetic people. They not only pay for a three month supply of lancets, strips and even a meter,I believe. They also pay for a deep pair of shoes for fee each year with inserts when needed You do need a prescription either from a podiatrist or a G.P family practice or endocrinologist. You also get a podiatrist visit no charge every two months. You are also entitle to once a year diatetic councilling and and education with a team DE(Diabetic Educator) If you don’t have an endocrinologist I would highly recommend it as they lnow the endrocrine system inside and out. Sorry this is so long.

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It pays 80 percent of costs, except for meds.  There are plans for an additional fee that coveers the 20 percent and some hmo plans that are used in place of medicare.  The latter are usually much less expensive but might have higher co-pays then do the former who cover the 20 percent.   It varies from state to state.  It pays to shop around and advocacy groups for seniors like aarp and others can inform you what is available in your area.  Dec is often the "open" month when one can choose among plans because one often is obligated for a year after a plan is chosen. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Are any of you on Medicare?if so what can I expect from them/ >I start Medicare in December and have no other Insurance does medicare >pay for any part of  the blood testing that the Drs.do? Please help me >to understand what I am facing. >"He who angers you Controls you" >……Grandma……

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>I see so much posting that the courses only taught high carb. So I wonder if >what I am arranging, (the appointment), is really going to be useful or not.

I don’t think anyone else can tell you what you’ll run into.  I took a one-time nutrition class plus a seven-week diabetes education class and both of them stressed limiting carbs as a way of of controlling bg.  But from the comments of a lot of people here, my classes were the exception. — remove "spamtrap" for e-mail

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Hi— I’m going to the Diabetic Education Course soon. I’ve been T2 for probably 10 years. I had the origional course then, but I understand it is totally different now. Different way of measuring or calculating carb counting? I see so much posting that the courses only taught high carb. So I wonder if what I am arranging, (the appointment), is really going to be useful or not. I’d appreciate your coments on it. It will help me take some of the course with a grain of salt, if I need. I tend to push more Protein, and try to have quite a bit less carbs.     I hope this course will teach me how to count better, and what foods are really starch (some are "deceiving" to me)(my lack of knowledge). I hear the course changed years ago. Thanks— Ron Hypoglycemia 15 years  T2 10 yrs          Prandin 2mg w/ea meal         Glucophage 2000mg/day         having problems with high bg (160-180) and lately cannot get it              down.         Dawn affect   160-170 Hbaic: 8.1, (was 6, then 7, then 7.7, now 8.1 over the last 3 years climbing–is something failing,         where I am heading towards insulin?)

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Guy Williams Our money is a promise to pay–nothing more. The real wealth is in the factories, productive businesses, real assets and most importantly   the people that produce what we consume and provide our services. After WW2 I talked to many Europeans.  The theme was they took all my property but the one thing they could not steal was my abilities and education.  They had to keep me alive to use them.. This relates to diabetes because that CURE will  not be found in our clubs,  in our financial centers, or in a hollywood studio.  It will surely come from the scientists. You will not find the people capable of making medical advances on the football field. The good medical care will not come from PR agencies or highly advertised medical facilities. The kid that will make the advances in 25 years is not in the one that cannot afford education. It is not the one that makes a name by using bizarre unacceptable lyrics. Not for us older people but the younger one your hope is in those we educate. These groups will not function well with a bunch of screaming ME ME ME’s. There is a real world. Hey Ma, the old senile bum is preaching again.                                   Guy

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>Guy Williams >Our money is a promise to pay–nothing more. The >real wealth is in the factories, productive businesses, >real assets and most importantly   the people that >produce what we consume and provide our services.

I like to think of money as a token for human effort. I thus think it is rather sacred and that it is immoral to gamble with it and cheat with it and steal it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->After WW2 I talked to many Europeans.  The theme >was they took all my property but the one thing they >could not steal was my abilities and education.  They >had to keep me alive to use them.. >This relates to diabetes because that CURE will > not be found in our clubs,  in our financial centers, >or in a hollywood studio.  It will surely come from >the scientists. >You will not find the people capable of making >medical advances on the football field. >The good medical care will not come from PR >agencies or highly advertised medical facilities. >The kid that will make the advances in 25 years >is not in the one that cannot afford education. >It is not the one that makes a name by using >bizarre unacceptable lyrics. >Not for us older people but the younger one >your hope is in those we educate.

You said a mouthful there, Guy >These groups will not function well with a bunch of >screaming ME ME ME’s. >There is a real world. >Hey Ma, the old senile bum is preaching again.

Wise words though. joe      

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Cheri One week, one day, 10 hours, 56 minutes and 6 seconds. 338 cigarettes not smoked, saving $72.72. Life saved: 1 day, 4 hours, 10 minutes.

<snipped> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And just in case you’re interested: >Six days, 14 hours, 43 minutes and 8 seconds. 132 cigarettes not smoked, >saving $26.45. >Additional time to spend with Mom: 11 hours, 0 minutes.

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From Guy Williams In my opinion most books written to sell to the  general public are of little real value. Other people find them of great value. We see all kind of diets, home remedies, and natural products in good faith posts. When I post I expect to be challenged at times.  It is to be expected.  If I am wrong I should be challenged.  If there is a diversity of opinion it should be discussed freely.  This is the nature of the internet and has nothing to do with my personal life. In the long run I sure have received an education here.    

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> When I post I expect to be challenged > at times.  It is to be expected.  If I am > wrong I should be challenged.  If there > is a diversity of opinion it should be discussed > freely.  This is the nature of the internet and has > nothing to do with my personal life. > In the long run I sure have received an education > here.

Ditto to all that! I ’spose that I challenge others more than what I should, but I expect more from certain people.  Even if the answer is "my Mom told me", sometimes a source helps.  I welcome, actually want, anyone to ask me to provide back up for what I say (personal opinions withstanding). I sometimes think I should do more "I agree" type of posts, maybe when I find more time… — Marilyn

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Rock on Guy… you and the diversity you offer is part of what I love about this news group. Marie Mom T2 Dx 3/2002 And just in case you’re interested: Six days, 14 hours, 43 minutes and 8 seconds. 132 cigarettes not smoked, saving $26.45. Additional time to spend with Mom: 11 hours, 0 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From Guy Williams > In my opinion most books written to sell to > the  general public are of little real value. > Other people find them of great value. > We see all kind of diets, home remedies, and > natural products in good faith posts. > When I post I expect to be challenged > at times.  It is to be expected.  If I am > wrong I should be challenged.  If there > is a diversity of opinion it should be discussed > freely.  This is the nature of the internet and has > nothing to do with my personal life. > In the long run I sure have received an education > here.

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> From Guy Williams > In my opinion most books written to sell to > the  general public are of little real value.

Guy, this is why I’m a avid patron of our local public libray.  I’d say about 90% of the books I check out are of no or limited use to me.  When I find a book that is useful, I buy it. > In the long run I sure have received an education here.

I think that’s the one thing all of us, despite our differences, can agree on.  Speaking for myself, this group has been one of my most important tools in managing my diabetes.  And thank you for your wise comments. — Best wishes Louise

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From Guy Williams I am a person that never caused trouble. Raised my family,  asked for no support, have made a few significant contributions to science. When I became very ill I could find no help.  No one cared.  Shut up and get to work.  If you have five bucks you don’t need an effort to help you. Frankly they made it difficult.  But I made through no thanks to the great "liberals". Now maybe I should have stolen, raped, and maybe killed a few people, then I would have all kind of sympathy and support.  I might have people on a diabetes news group defending me and expounding my rights. Maybe I should have bought a sports car instead of paying for the college for my kids.  Hell, let the system do the job.  The have the right to an education.  You pay for it via taxes. You should or maybe I will sue you.. The name "CONS’ is not a mistake.   You are the suckers.   They blame everyone but the real culprit and are very skilled at  smoke screening the real  problem–their behavior.  

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I agree with you 100% Guy. Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >From Guy Williams >I am a person that never caused trouble. Raised >my family,  asked for no support, have made a few >significant contributions to science. >When I became very ill I could find no help.  No >one cared.  Shut up and get to work.  If you have >five bucks you don’t need an effort to help you. >Frankly they made it difficult.  But I made through >no thanks to the great "liberals". >Now maybe I should have stolen, raped, and maybe >killed a few people, then I would have all kind of >sympathy and support.  I might have people on a >diabetes news group defending me and expounding >my rights. >Maybe I should have bought a sports car instead of >paying for the college for my kids.  Hell, let the system >do the job.  The have the right to an education.  You >pay for it via taxes. You should or maybe I will sue you.. >The name "CONS’ is not a mistake.   You are the >suckers.   They blame everyone but the real culprit >and are very skilled at  smoke screening the real > problem–their behavior.

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I agree. All my life I have been honest and followed the rules, raised my kids, never asked others for help. Now, I see the Gov’t may actually give us little honest old people what they call Medicare Prescription coverage—- If they can actually stop being Democrat and Republicans for a moment– just for the good of the older people who made this a (great) country for (them  %$^*) to live in. But no, it’s still going nowhere on the progress between the two parties, and of course, the Prescription Insurance Lobby. Sometimes it’s hard to believe and keep smiling I was (good) enough to serve, risking my life in the United States Naval Forces, aboard Destroyers, but not (good) enough for Prescription Benifits now that I’m old—– Best— Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From Guy Williams > I am a person that never caused trouble. Raised > my family,  asked for no support, have made a few > significant contributions to science. > When I became very ill I could find no help.  No > one cared.  Shut up and get to work.  If you have > five bucks you don’t need an effort to help you. > Frankly they made it difficult.  But I made through > no thanks to the great "liberals". > Now maybe I should have stolen, raped, and maybe > killed a few people, then I would have all kind of > sympathy and support.  I might have people on a > diabetes news group defending me and expounding > my rights. > Maybe I should have bought a sports car instead of > paying for the college for my kids.  Hell, let the system > do the job.  The have the right to an education.  You > pay for it via taxes. You should or maybe I will sue you.. > The name "CONS’ is not a mistake.   You are the > suckers.   They blame everyone but the real culprit > and are very skilled at  smoke screening the real >  problem–their behavior.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >From Guy Williams >I am a person that never caused trouble. Raised >my family,  asked for no support, have made a few >significant contributions to science. >When I became very ill I could find no help.  No >one cared.  Shut up and get to work.  If you have >five bucks you don’t need an effort to help you. >Frankly they made it difficult.  But I made through >no thanks to the great "liberals". >Now maybe I should have stolen, raped, and maybe >killed a few people, then I would have all kind of >sympathy and support.  I might have people on a >diabetes news group defending me and expounding >my rights. >Maybe I should have bought a sports car instead of >paying for the college for my kids.  Hell, let the system >do the job.  The have the right to an education.  You >pay for it via taxes. You should or maybe I will sue you.. >The name "CONS’ is not a mistake.   You are the >suckers.   They blame everyone but the real culprit >and are very skilled at  smoke screening the real > problem–their behavior.  

Sorry, why "no thanks to the liberals"? Sounds like they would have been your only hope of humane legislation. joe       remove digits to email

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>Now, I see the Gov’t may actually give us little honest old people what they >call Medicare Prescription coverage—-

I know that it’s hard for older people to pay for prescriptions, but at least they have Medicare to help with their health expenses. I’m wondering when anyone will even discuss doing something for younger people who don’t have prescription coverage but also don’t have help with other medical expenses. I’m not including myself in this.  I am very fortunate to work for a large public employer with absolutely top notch insurance coverage.   But what about people who work for small employers that offer minimal, if any, health insurance?  Or those who are self employed?  Or those who work two or three part-time jobs and don’t qualify for benefits?  What are they supposed to do?  No one is even discussing any options for them. I live in Southern California and there’s been a lot of news coverage lately about the fiscal problems in Los Angeles County.  A big drain on their budget comes from providing health care for the poor and they’re making big cuts. One of the items they’re planning to trim (not eliminate, but cut back on) is providing immunizations for children.  I can’t imagine anything much more effective, both in improving lives and cutting costs, than vaccinating children against diseases.  Yet that’s on the table as an area to cut. The whole health care system in this country is a mess, but if I were the one setting the priorities, prescription benefits for people already getting Medicare wouldn’t be the first item on my list. — Remove "spamtrap" for e-mail.

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>>Now, I see the Gov’t may actually give us little honest old people what they >call Medicare Prescription coverage—- >I know that it’s hard for older people to pay for prescriptions, but at least >they have Medicare to help with their health expenses. >I’m wondering when anyone will even discuss doing something for younger people >who don’t have prescription coverage but also don’t have help with other >medical expenses. >I’m not including myself in this.  I am very fortunate to work for a large >public employer with absolutely top notch insurance coverage.  

You know I agree with you.  The prescription help for the elderly will raise prices.  It is a lose–lose game. Many people are comfortable with their medical situation.  The Enron people very very secure until—- The present system locks a middle aged person into a job when they would be more productive moving on. The old system I saw as a young person is gone.   What we have now is unworkable long term. It is long on PR and short on performance.   As Art Linkletter said during his interview greed is unbounded. I am not against high compensation for doctors. It can be a rough game. But we must find a way  to pay for it without abuse of the sick.  I favor a collective system.  But I am close to medicare equipment and that is a disgrace.   Where is Solomon?

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> Hi all, > I was searching on info for MDMA and esctasy and it brought me to this > forum. > I am a single parent and have a teenage daughter. Recently, I realised > tell-tale signs of her drinking tons of water and have shed a > significant amount of weight. A collegue of mine told me that these > are signs of consuming hallucination drugs like Esctasy. > Today, I bought a drug test kit and the result shown positive!! > I am devastated.

Positive for what?  Esctasy?  How did you get the sample for the test?  Did your daughter give you a urine sample?  When I questioned her on this, she insisted that she – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> is taking some medications for depressant and weight lost. On top of > that, she is having flu and cough and thus were taking some cough > mixture and cold tablets. They contain similar ingredients to MDMA. > She flare up her temper when I said I don’t believe in her. She said I > don’t trust her own daughter! I wanted to…really…..but… > I am an ignorant mom. I don’t receive high education and am completely > ignorant about all the terms she said. I am really at a lost. I don’t > know what to do. > Hand her over to the police or believe in her?? > My concern now is… > 1) Can anyone tell me whether medications for cough mixture, flu, > depressant and weight lost does contain similar ingredients with > Esctasy? If yes, can you please tell me what are the brands or the > ingredients in the medications that acts similarly to MDMA?

I do not know. > 2) Can I send the medications she has been taking for drug test? If > yes, where? Or can I conduct drug tests at home?

The OTC she claims to have taken?  I must voice my doubts that any OTC will give a positive read for E. > 2) How realiable the home used drug test kit is?

Read the package, or call their 800 number. > 3) If I bring my daughter to police, what consequences she will face?

She will see her mom as a enemy for years, perhaps for the rest of her life for turning her into the cops.  I strongly suggest you avoid that action, it will be counterproductive. > 4) How am I going to help my teeange daughter?

Talk to her.  In fact in most cases the use of E is not so awful, the trouble is who knows who mixed up the batch she gets.  There is potential for awful things to happen but in almost all cases nothing much will occur. > 5) How do I send her for counselling without hurting her?

Just ask her to go with you, find someone and see what they suggest. As an aside loss of weight and big time thirst are also signs of the onset of diabetes, why not get her tested for that too… In fact a visit to your doctor, after you get assurances of confidentialdity might be a very good start here…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> All info and help is greatly appreciated!!!!!! > THANKS!!!!!

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> Hi all, > I was searching on info for MDMA and esctasy and it brought me to this > forum. > I am a single parent and have a teenage daughter. Recently, I realised > tell-tale signs of her drinking tons of water and have shed a > significant amount of weight. A collegue of mine told me that these > are signs of consuming hallucination drugs like Esctasy.

There are other explanations, but you’re right to be concerned. She’s using some drugs. The only issue is how dangerous they are to her health, the way she is using them. > Today, I bought a drug test kit and the result shown positive!! > I am devastated. When I questioned her on this, she insisted that she > is taking some medications for depressant and weight lost. On top of > that, she is having flu and cough and thus were taking some cough > mixture and cold tablets. They contain similar ingredients to MDMA.

Similar, but not the same. Pseudo-ephedrine, found in cold medications, is really very similar in structure to dextro-amphetamine. It can be converted into MDMA in someone’s kitchen. She might be misinformed about what she’s taking, or she might be trying to misinform you. You can get a buzz from cold meds, or from the herb Ephedra (source of ephedrine), also known as herbal ecstacy, or mu huang, in traditional Chinese medicine. > She flare up her temper when I said I don’t believe in her. She said I > don’t trust her own daughter! I wanted to…really…..but…

Frankly, I think your daughter is playing semantic games with herself. She’s doing drugs, whether they’re legally obtained or from illegal street sources. > I am an ignorant mom. I don’t receive high education and am completely > ignorant about all the terms she said. I am really at a lost. I don’t > know what to do. > Hand her over to the police or believe in her?? > My concern now is… > 1) Can anyone tell me whether medications for cough mixture, flu, > depressant and weight lost does contain similar ingredients with > Esctasy? If yes, can you please tell me what are the brands or the > ingredients in the medications that acts similarly to MDMA?

I’ve covered that above. MDMA is more potent than are any of ephedrine, pseudo-ephedrine (both over the counter meds), dextro-amphetamine (easily made from the two just mentioned, but illegal), or MDMA, which can be made from amphetamine, but a little bit more complex to process. She could be taking one or more of any of these substances. > 2) Can I send the medications she has been taking for drug test? If > yes, where? Or can I conduct drug tests at home?

The police would do that, if you think that prosecution would help your daughter. That’s a very tough call to make. > 2) How realiable the home used drug test kit is?

I don’t know the answer to that. > 3) If I bring my daughter to police, what consequences she will face?

Criminal conviction, which might dog her for life. Or, if a "drug diversion" program is available, first-time offenders can escape a criminal record if they enter and successfully complete drug rehabilitation and follow all probationary requirements. You can probably find out the answer to that without revealing why you need to know. > 4) How am I going to help my teeange daughter?

Tell her you love her, and that you are going to stand by her, no matter what happens. You can’t make her face up to her problem. But you can encourage her to do so. Don’t make a threat that you are not prepared to follow through with. > 5) How do I send her for counselling without hurting her?

She must want to stop using drugs, or there is no point. > All info and help is greatly appreciated!!!!!! > THANKS!!!!!

This is a very tough problem to face. You have my support. Ask me anything you want to. I will do my best to help you. Larry

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Hi all, I was searching on info for MDMA and esctasy and it brought me to this forum. I am a single parent and have a teenage daughter. Recently, I realised tell-tale signs of her drinking tons of water and have shed a significant amount of weight. A collegue of mine told me that these are signs of consuming hallucination drugs like Esctasy. Today, I bought a drug test kit and the result shown positive!! I am devastated. When I questioned her on this, she insisted that she is taking some medications for depressant and weight lost. On top of that, she is having flu and cough and thus were taking some cough mixture and cold tablets. They contain similar ingredients to MDMA. She flare up her temper when I said I don’t believe in her. She said I don’t trust her own daughter! I wanted to…really…..but… I am an ignorant mom. I don’t receive high education and am completely ignorant about all the terms she said. I am really at a lost. I don’t know what to do. Hand her over to the police or believe in her?? My concern now is… 1) Can anyone tell me whether medications for cough mixture, flu, depressant and weight lost does contain similar ingredients with Esctasy? If yes, can you please tell me what are the brands or the ingredients in the medications that acts similarly to MDMA? 2) Can I send the medications she has been taking for drug test? If yes, where? Or can I conduct drug tests at home? 2) How realiable the home used drug test kit is? 3) If I bring my daughter to police, what consequences she will face? 4) How am I going to help my teeange daughter? 5) How do I send her for counselling without hurting her? All info and help is greatly appreciated!!!!!! THANKS!!!!!

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Barry Stoll said in this very newsgroup… > In the UK we say 4 (72) is the floor.  Any lower and you risk a hypo > reaction > Barry UK

It really is YMMV. Some get symptoms as low as 4.5 Ratty — Type 2 since 93 Can I get a new pancreas under the warranty? This one’s burnt out…. http://www.asduk.org.uk our shiny new website!

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In the UK we say 4 (72) is the floor.  Any lower and you risk a hypo reaction Barry UK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->For the general t2 population, I think most docs recommend that below 70 >is cause to be watchful of low symptoms for a t2, except those taking >insulin stimulating medications (those folks probably need to act more >like insulin shooters). > I’m usually right around 100 when I test so I don’t have to worry about going > too low. (In fact yesterday morning was funny.  The test I did was 100, my > 2-week average was 100, and my 1-month average was 100.  Talk about > consistent.  :) > Anyway, a week or so ago I tested at 73 after exercise.  I didn’t think that > was awful but I had never seen anything that low before from me.  I e-mailed > my doctor just to make sure it was OK and he basically said that down to 70ish > is fine as long as I don’t feel light headed, etc. > So I think you’re right that depending on your medications and how you react > to things in general, what is appropriate vs. what is worrisome depends on the > individual.  If you have concerns, you can always check with your doctor about > what’s appropriate for YOU.

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>For the general t2 population, I think most docs recommend that below 70 >is cause to be watchful of low symptoms for a t2, except those taking >insulin stimulating medications (those folks probably need to act more >like insulin shooters).

I’m usually right around 100 when I test so I don’t have to worry about going too low. (In fact yesterday morning was funny.  The test I did was 100, my 2-week average was 100, and my 1-month average was 100.  Talk about consistent.  :) Anyway, a week or so ago I tested at 73 after exercise.  I didn’t think that was awful but I had never seen anything that low before from me.  I e-mailed my doctor just to make sure it was OK and he basically said that down to 70ish is fine as long as I don’t feel light headed, etc.   So I think you’re right that depending on your medications and how you react to things in general, what is appropriate vs. what is worrisome depends on the individual.  If you have concerns, you can always check with your doctor about what’s appropriate for YOU.

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Julie, those numbers may apply more to you than to the population in general, based upon your particular circumstances. Personally (t2), I shoot for below 100 two hours after meals, and generally I am there, although I accept the more recent recommendation of below 120 two hours post-prandial.  I don’t suggest 100 for all, but it works for me. If I treated every reading below 80 as an impending hypo, then I would be treating myself daily as I am generally between 70 and 80 pre-prandial at least once per day, if not more often (particularly in conjunction with exercise).  I don’t take any meds, so I am personally not much at risk of a hypoglycemic episode. For the general t2 population, I think most docs recommend that below 70 is cause to be watchful of low symptoms for a t2, except those taking insulin stimulating medications (those folks probably need to act more like insulin shooters). Everyone responds a little differently, and one should employ the ymmv caveat in the matter of bg levels–especially at the low end. Richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was diagnosed with Type II in Nov of 2001, and my BG was completely out > of > control; the first A1C test was over 13! As of last week, however, that > was > down to 5.7, with 1,2 and 4 week averages (from the meter) at 102, 104 and > 107. My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what > really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal > and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for > the latest thinking. > My Endo. told me that the 180 number is acceptable for type 1’s using > insulin.  140 is the acceptable number for type 2’s.  That is for 2 hours > after eating. Fasting should be <120.  Treat for hypo <80. > — > Type 2 > http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/

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> I was diagnosed with Type II in Nov of 2001, and my BG was completely out of > control; the first A1C test was over 13! As of last week, however, that was > down to 5.7, with 1,2 and 4 week averages (from the meter) at 102, 104 and > 107. My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what > really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal > and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for > the latest thinking.

My Endo. told me that the 180 number is acceptable for type 1’s using insulin.  140 is the acceptable number for type 2’s.  That is for 2 hours after eating. Fasting should be <120.  Treat for hypo <80. — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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70 to 120 premeal with less or no carbs above 110 and two hours after meals as close to 120 as possible to be in a non diabetic state but definitely under 140 Loretta In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what >really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal >and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for >the latest thinking.

Current recommendations say as close to normal levels as possible and normal FBG is 70 to 110. Normal 2 hour PP is <140 but I find in reality non diabetics are usually lower so I have 120 as my own personal cut off.  Don’t feel bad for being confused. Joslin Diabetes Clinic has a web page up telling diabetics to keep BG with the same range as normal non diabetic people to prevent complications than in the same article has a chart with two columns – one for normal non diabetic people and one with acceptable ranges for diabetics.   Duh!?!?!? Here’s the site http://www.joslin.org/education/library/wbggoal.shtml The old thinking allowing diabetics to have a higher set of numbers has led to a number of people following their doctors orders to the letter and still losing a leg.  My Doctor said for years doctors saw patients who did everything they were told, all their tests were within the recommended "acceptable for a diabetic" range but these patients still died of diabetic complications.  He says early reports show the new lower levels are making a big difference in those who follow them.  The problem is they aren’t getting everyone to accept them, especially both long time diabetics and doctors unwilling to try new things.  I had a nurse tell me she didn’t understand why I worried about such tight control, that it was just too much bother. I told her it wasn’t half the bother that losing a foot or going blind would be.   Debra

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reading the first two posts i’d say getting under 120 for a 2 hour PP is great.  Getting to 80 is great at any time.  As a T2 on oral meds I could keep within the 75 – 130 official limit.  Obviously the more you are closer to 80 and away from 130 the better. Well done… 5.7 from 13 is a sign of good work. Martin. — T2 since 1998, (Insulin User Since 2000). See the web site: http://www.asduk.org.uk

: I was diagnosed with Type II in Nov of 2001, and my BG was completely out of : control; the first A1C test was over 13! As of last week, however, that was : down to 5.7, with 1,2 and 4 week averages (from the meter) at 102, 104 and : 107. My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what : really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal : and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for : the latest thinking. : :

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I was diagnosed with Type II in Nov of 2001, and my BG was completely out of control; the first A1C test was over 13! As of last week, however, that was down to 5.7, with 1,2 and 4 week averages (from the meter) at 102, 104 and 107. My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for the latest thinking.

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> I was diagnosed with Type II in Nov of 2001, and my BG was completely out of > control; the first A1C test was over 13! As of last week, however, that was > down to 5.7, with 1,2 and 4 week averages (from the meter) at 102, 104 and > 107. My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what > really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal > and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for > the latest thinking.

80-110 pre-meal and 80-120 at two hours.

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First of all, congratulations on getting your A1c down so well!!! Each of us has to decide what we’re willing to accept in the way of BG levels.   T1’s have different sets of problems, so this applies only to T2s. Many of us here use non-diabetic levels as our goal.  The thinking is that if we can get to non-diabetic levels it will be the best way to hold off complications for as long as possible. For most, not all, it can be done, using any combination of meds, food and exercise. Non-diabetic levels are: 1 hour post meal:  Under 140 2 hours post meal:  Under 120 You will have to decide what you wish to do and if these levels are possible for you. Best of luck. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was diagnosed with Type II in Nov of 2001, and my BG was completely out of > control; the first A1C test was over 13! As of last week, however, that was > down to 5.7, with 1,2 and 4 week averages (from the meter) at 102, 104 and > 107. My question for the group is this: what is the latest idea for what > really are acceptable BG levels? I am currently using 80-140mg/dl pre-meal > and 140-180 two hours after, but it seems these numbers may a bit high for > the latest thinking.

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It’s a hip crime thing….   Many ISPs filter his crap…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hmmmmm am I missing something here?.. I never saw this post here in the > NG.. wonder if my ISP is filtering now? When did this come in? > — > RK > [T1 that was smarter then her previous Doctors!][dx'd 5/00][Lantus Lover > w/Novolog] > http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe (#diabeticnet chatroom software) > Matthias what a pity that some person is so filled with hate for other > human beings.  What causd this in your life. Are you in abject poverty > and that the goal of Jews across the world is education and a better > life for our people.  It is sad when someone thinks like you.  You > certainly hae a mental deficiency.  Too bad you werent in the world > trade center when it collapsed. Maybe you would have gone to hell and > met your mentors.  You are to be pitied not feared because for my people > it is NEVER AGAIN.  This is all over the world, and you so proudly give > your name and address  You never know where the JDL is.  You hate us so > much, I hope you do not use any of the meds we have created to cure > dreaded diseases  I know I hate a group of people, I do not use any of > their products. > And this is about diabetics and you will be reported to your isp. > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

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Came across my server but ignored it until Loretta said what she did then my curiosity struck and had to go peek at it. All I can say is the post could have been skipped as it was boring, lack of taste,  and not related to diabetes  anyway. Diana — *Do not wrong or hate your neighbor; for it is not he that you wrong; you wrong yourself* ~You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it will be too late.~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hmmmmm am I missing something here?.. I never saw this post here in the > NG.. wonder if my ISP is filtering now? When did this come in? > — > RK > [T1 that was smarter then her previous Doctors!][dx'd 5/00][Lantus Lover > w/Novolog] > http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe (#diabeticnet chatroom software) > Matthias what a pity that some person is so filled with hate for other > human beings.  What causd this in your life. Are you in abject poverty > and that the goal of Jews across the world is education and a better > life for our people.  It is sad when someone thinks like you.  You > certainly hae a mental deficiency.  Too bad you werent in the world > trade center when it collapsed. Maybe you would have gone to hell and > met your mentors.  You are to be pitied not feared because for my people > it is NEVER AGAIN.  This is all over the world, and you so proudly give > your name and address  You never know where the JDL is.  You hate us so > much, I hope you do not use any of the meds we have created to cure > dreaded diseases  I know I hate a group of people, I do not use any of > their products. > And this is about diabetics and you will be reported to your isp. > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

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I’ve seen it in a number of newsgroups. A real jerk posting all over the place.

> I never saw this post here in the NG.. wonder if my ISP is filtering

now? When did this come in? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Not really wanting to put too fine a point on it, the jdl is not the example I would want to advance as being a solution to just about anything.  Their politics and behaviors are in the same category as are those who originated this thread. Jdl leaders in the US are this very minute in jail because of conspiring to bomb and do other terror activiities against a religious organization and got caught before they could carry it out.  I would advance legal activity and appeals to isp spam policy violations against the originator of this thread rather then set two groups of the same cut of cloth against each other.  I would also want to avoid making threats of inferred violence as the solution to others expressing vile views on the internet.  Freedom of speech means that the crazy right wing and the jdl can put their views in the public square where both can be exposed and rejected and where law enforcement can keep an eye on them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->it is NEVER AGAIN.  This is all over the world, and you so proudly give >your name and address  You never know where the JDL is.  You hate us so >much, I hope you do not use any of the meds we have created to cure >dreaded diseases  I know I hate a group of people, I do not use any of >their products. >And this is about diabetics and you will be reported to your isp. >In tribute to the United States of America and the State >of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >terrorism.

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>Came across my server but ignored it until Loretta said what she did then my >curiosity struck and had to go peek at it. All I can say is the post could >have been skipped as it was boring, lack of taste,  and not related to >diabetes  anyway. >Diana

The title of this post is enough. I have diabetes. I come to this group to get education and support. Any other use of this group is stealing from me and a lot of  other diabetics. A reasonable person will not try to use it for any other purpose. Mass posting is another abuse. Political, commercial, or the repeated posting of an idea of debatable quality do not belong here. This is a valuable asset.  We need to defend it from those that will try to pervert it for their own purposes.                     Guy Williams

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I agreed. I said it was a lack of taste. Was there something wrong with what I did say? Diana — *Do not wrong or hate your neighbor; for it is not he that you wrong; you wrong yourself* ~You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it will be too late.~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Came across my server but ignored it until Loretta said what she did then my >curiosity struck and had to go peek at it. All I can say is the post could >have been skipped as it was boring, lack of taste,  and not related to >diabetes  anyway. >Diana > The title of this post is enough. > I have diabetes. > I come to this group to get education and support. > Any other use of this group is stealing from me > and a lot of  other diabetics. > A reasonable person will not try to use it for > any other purpose. > Mass posting is another abuse. > Political, commercial, or the repeated posting of > an idea of debatable quality do not belong here. > This is a valuable asset.  We need to defend it > from those that will try to pervert it for their > own purposes. >                     Guy Williams

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Why are you people continuing to reply to it?   You’re playing into the original trolls hands by constantly repeating the subject line and stirring up more discussion.  In fact, I believe at least one person on this group copied the whole text of the original message.  Give him free publicity and it’s a guarantee that he’ll repeat the process down the road….  hey, it got him more hits once, it’s worth it to try again, right?

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> Why are you people continuing to reply to it?   You’re playing into the > original trolls hands by constantly repeating the subject line and stirring up > more discussion.

As you just did too.  :-)  In fact, I believe at least one person on this group copied > the whole text of the original message.  Give him free publicity and it’s a > guarantee that he’ll repeat the process down the road….  hey, it got him > more hits once, it’s worth it to try again, right?

It was probably me. I do stuff like that all the time. BTW I changed his line in the subject just a tad so when he checks for replies he won’t have this one. You are right. This should be the end. Hi my name is Diana , (not you people) nice to meet you. Di (in a silly mood)

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> Why are you people continuing to reply to it?   You’re playing into the > original trolls hands by constantly repeating the subject line and stirring up > more discussion.  In fact, I believe at least one person on this group copied > the whole text of the original message.  Give him free publicity and it’s a > guarantee that he’ll repeat the process down the road….  hey, it got him > more hits once, it’s worth it to try again, right?

It’s not spam, it’s a malicious person(s) trying to cause trouble for the site owner.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why are you people continuing to reply to it?   You’re playing into the > original trolls hands by constantly repeating the subject line and >stirring up > more discussion.  In fact, I believe at least one person on this group >copied > the whole text of the original message.  Give him free publicity and it’s >a > guarantee that he’ll repeat the process down the road….  hey, it got him > more hits once, it’s worth it to try again, right? >It’s not spam, it’s a malicious person(s) trying to cause trouble for the >site owner.

I never called it spam.  I said it was a troll trying to get hits on a website.  Granted, I made the assumption that it was HIS website and I will stand corrected on that point, but everything else I said still applies.   The more it’s discussed, the more it fullfils the trolls original intent.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hmmmmm am I missing something here?.. I never saw this post here in the > NG.. wonder if my ISP is filtering now? When did this come in? > — > RK > [T1 that was smarter then her previous Doctors!][dx'd 5/00][Lantus Lover > w/Novolog] > http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe (#diabeticnet chatroom software) > Matthias what a pity that some person is so filled with hate for other > human beings.  What causd this in your life. Are you in abject poverty > and that the goal of Jews across the world is education and a better > life for our people.  It is sad when someone thinks like you.  You > certainly hae a mental deficiency.  Too bad you werent in the world > trade center when it collapsed. Maybe you would have gone to hell and > met your mentors.  You are to be pitied not feared because for my people > it is NEVER AGAIN.  This is all over the world, and you so proudly give > your name and address  You never know where the JDL is.  You hate us so > much, I hope you do not use any of the meds we have created to cure > dreaded diseases  I know I hate a group of people, I do not use any of > their products. > And this is about diabetics and you will be reported to your isp. > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

JoJo I read the original post on asd this morning whe I was going through the posts.  I usually give the advice ignore and they go away, but this I can never ignore. Loretta

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I agree with your sentiments.  I certainly know of the JDLs violence and this recent rash of activity. What I wanted to show was that we have a group that could go down to his level and he better watch his  back.   I did report to the isp but was returned to me by the post office as undeliverable.  There is freedom of speech and every crazy has the right to free  speech, except this group does not permit spam and he was spamming us with the book. Loretta In addition, sometime coolness flies out the window when someone of the faith whatever it be, reads something as trashy as this and reacts violently althoughg I am far from violent, but I have holocaust stories of my grandmothers nine brothers and sisters and their families all killed in the camps  so this is a subject that grips at the heart of me and there is no toning me down. My free speech too. In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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hmmmmm am I missing something here?.. I never saw this post here in the NG.. wonder if my ISP is filtering now? When did this come in? — RK [T1 that was smarter then her previous Doctors!][dx'd 5/00][Lantus Lover w/Novolog] http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe (#diabeticnet chatroom software)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Matthias what a pity that some person is so filled with hate for other > human beings.  What causd this in your life. Are you in abject poverty > and that the goal of Jews across the world is education and a better > life for our people.  It is sad when someone thinks like you.  You > certainly hae a mental deficiency.  Too bad you werent in the world > trade center when it collapsed. Maybe you would have gone to hell and > met your mentors.  You are to be pitied not feared because for my people > it is NEVER AGAIN.  This is all over the world, and you so proudly give > your name and address  You never know where the JDL is.  You hate us so > much, I hope you do not use any of the meds we have created to cure > dreaded diseases  I know I hate a group of people, I do not use any of > their products. > And this is about diabetics and you will be reported to your isp. > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

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Matthias what a pity that some person is so filled with hate for other human beings.  What causd this in your life. Are you in abject poverty and that the goal of Jews across the world is education and a better life for our people.  It is sad when someone thinks like you.  You certainly hae a mental deficiency.  Too bad you werent in the world trade center when it collapsed. Maybe you would have gone to hell and met your mentors.  You are to be pitied not feared because for my people it is NEVER AGAIN.  This is all over the world, and you so proudly give your name and address  You never know where the JDL is.  You hate us so much, I hope you do not use any of the meds we have created to cure dreaded diseases  I know I hate a group of people, I do not use any of their products. And this is about diabetics and you will be reported to your isp. In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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