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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes >> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study >> proving that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to >> smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other >> influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it >> works, >> because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch >> and the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced >> the >> number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 >> cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely >> reassemble my >> old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, >> swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back >> together). >> Cosmin > I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was > until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified > that their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, > exercise, and everything we told them they needed to do, but often could > *not* stop > smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction > cigarette smoking is – wow! > Natalie > <snip> > The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a > consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation > in his field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well > enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His > answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was > about to get cancer, and then quit. I was certain he knew that there > is no such test, and I didn’t pursue the matter. Addicts > rationalize. > Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology – > the treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung cancer, > with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs – some > postmortem – several people were smoking! > Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.

If the world renown "Body Worlds" exhibit comes to your city, go see it. I visited the exhibit in Los Angles about 2 months ago. There is on display some preserved human lungs from healthy and from diseased persons. If that doesn’t get to the smoker …. then he/she must face the fact that they are a full blown addict to nicotine. http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/Weingart/BodyWorlds/B… — ~Philip.

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>> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > I’m not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine > exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in > carcinogens.

Keep in mind that in Italy as in the rest of civilized Europe, diesel fuel is nearly sulfur free (15 parts per billion) compared to America and especially Canada. Also, diesel cars "over there" have much cleaner pollution control that light duty pickup trucks here. Context. — ~Philip.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have >very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving >that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, >because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. >That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because >not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the >chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number >of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes >in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old >Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm >and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). >Cosmin > I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was > until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that > their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and > everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop > smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette > smoking is – wow! > Natalie

<snip> The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation in his field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then quit. I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn’t pursue the matter. Addicts rationalize. Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology – the treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung cancer, with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs – some postmortem – several people were smoking! Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.

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>> And exactly what does this have to do with Acura > Phillip, you multiposted to other NGs and now P.O.ed the rich Acura > group. Not to fear for I have corrected your error.

NOT an error, deil ol chap. LOL "The rich Acura group." ROFLOL.

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> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater > than diesel car exhaust.

I’m not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in carcinogens. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational > message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most > dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels > indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and > lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car > exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where > there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo > diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors > closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled > with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up > sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times > higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by > e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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[snip] > My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method, > patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and > then Zyban. > Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the > product he couldn’t even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so > happy that he’d finally found something that worked. > It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn’t sleep, felt > jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before > he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor > had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

[snip] I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It has horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble. Cosmin

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There’s only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other > influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it > works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to > quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin

I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn’t keep the damn thing lit!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have >> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving >> that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, >> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. >> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because >> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the >> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number >> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes >> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old >> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm >> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). >> Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie >Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but >none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn’t afford >college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit >and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could >afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a >child, I"m guessing I’ll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the >smell now and then. >Everyone who says they can’t just doesn’t want to. >imho,

A different take to help put things in perspective. My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method, patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and then Zyban. Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the product he couldn’t even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so happy that he’d finally found something that worked. It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn’t sleep, felt jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose. Then there’s my wife’s aunt. She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75. she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or were overweight. Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much. I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for others. Using that stat posted in the article I think that it’s high time that we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005 GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast Turbo Diesel’s. More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !

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1) Did this woman lose too much too quickly? 2) My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have refused to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds. DAS — For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling —

[...] > to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 > pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body > reacted as though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill. > She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her > sanity. Isn’t that [...] > (She lives in Massachusetts) she’d ask if I’d buy her cigarettes either in > NH (They’re quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA. > I told her that while I know she won’t stop smoking because I refuse to > buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because > that

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. > That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because > not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie

Yup, nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin addiction. If anyone is interested in this, check out the chapter "Nicotine as an addicting drug" http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/CU25.html from "The Consumers Union Report - Licit and Illicit Drugs" http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm — /" Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / I’m a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread.

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And exactly what does this have to do with Acura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >Ivanhoe Newswire >www.ivanhoe.com >September 1, 2004 >Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater >than diesel car exhaust. >Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >message against tobacco use for adolescents. >Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car >exhausts. >The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where >there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo >diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors >closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled >with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >higher than those measured outdoors. >This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable > educational message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the > most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, > levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine > models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter > emissions from car exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain > town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air > pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in > the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for > four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter > cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for > another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels > 15-times higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts > by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221 > "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain > town" > Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control. > Now I got a tell ya., I don’t smoke, but these so called reports > brought to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so > obvious that it makes one laugh.

The ‘report’ makes a great spoon to stir the soup. Some tasted it! LOL — ~Philip.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think it’s a lot like other addictions, such as food – some people > haven’t > been able to lose weight by any methods, which is tougher because you > don’t > need cigarettes to survive (just the opposite, of course), but you need > food > to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 > pounds. > She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body reacted > as > though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill. She ended up > gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her sanity. Isn’t that > nuts?! For smokers, they see others lighting up, which is even more > powerful > than an obese person walking by a restaurant and resisting the temptation > to > chow down. Personally, I usually was slightly overweight, but not > morbidly > so. Then my blood pressure went up, which woke me up to the reality that > my > heart was being affected. I decided I’d rather not be a sick old lady > some > day (I’m now 46), so I had to drop the weight and get in shape. I > exercise > no less than 30 minutes every single day, and have never regretted it. > On cold days I walk at our mall. I spoke with a lady one morning who > has diabetes. She told me that she started a vigorous walking regime > some time ago and after a while she was able to shed ALL of her > medications. One more reason for exercise.

Amen! Natalie

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> I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal, >while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking. Seems >to me they are both bad for health. > Yeah, but when you’re as desperate as my friend Mick – who has been > known to snort a line of salt from the edge of the bar – then a joint > is not such a bad thing. > — > Dan Drake

Gawd, that reminds me of that scene from Cheech and Chong’s ‘Up In Smoke’ when that whacked-out chick snorted cleaning powder (I think it was Ajax cleanser). Natalie

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> I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal, >while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking. Seems >to me they are both bad for health.

Yeah, but when you’re as desperate as my friend Mick – who has been known to snort a line of salt from the edge of the bar – then a joint is not such a bad thing. — Dan Drake

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was > until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that > their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and > everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop > smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette > smoking is – wow! > Natalie > I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal, > while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking. Seems > to me they are both bad for health.

They are, but like so many things, money is a factor. Most people can’t or wouldn’t grow their own tobacco, but they’d certainly grow their own weed. The government would have a very hard time taxing and overseeing such a plant. > I had a chance to sit in a 04 Camry today. It’s a really nice > automobile. > —

How dare you talk about cars! What do you think these are, car newsgroups?! Oh yeah. Natalie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have >> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving >> that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, >> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other >> influences. >> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, >> because >> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and >> the >> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number >> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 >> cigarettes >> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old >> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm >> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). >> Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie > Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but > none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn’t afford > college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit > and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could > afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a > child, I"m guessing I’ll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the > smell now and then. > Everyone who says they can’t just doesn’t want to. > imho,

I think it’s a lot like other addictions, such as food – some people haven’t been able to lose weight by any methods, which is tougher because you don’t need cigarettes to survive (just the opposite, of course), but you need food to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body reacted as though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill. She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her sanity. Isn’t that nuts?! For smokers, they see others lighting up, which is even more powerful than an obese person walking by a restaurant and resisting the temptation to chow down. Personally, I usually was slightly overweight, but not morbidly so. Then my blood pressure went up, which woke me up to the reality that my heart was being affected. I decided I’d rather not be a sick old lady some day (I’m now 46), so I had to drop the weight and get in shape. I exercise no less than 30 minutes every single day, and have never regretted it. By the way, the bargain that you made for your body should be reneged. Please believe me when I say you’ll be so much more healthy without cigarettes. What people don’t realize is that while lung cancer is relatively rare (I’ve only seen a handful of cases in 28 years), smoking does a lot of damage in other ways, such as COPD (emphysema – folks on home oxygen because their lungs have shriveled and hardened to the point of no elasticity), not to mention heart attacks and strokes. Plus they’re very expensive! My mother-in-law, a Nazi death camp survivor smokes (I can’t say I blame her after what she went through), and while we lived in New Hampshire (She lives in Massachusetts) she’d ask if I’d buy her cigarettes either in NH (They’re quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA. I told her that while I know she won’t stop smoking because I refuse to buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because that would be like handing a syringe to a heroin addict. I can’t be a party to her slow suicide. My husband used to get them for her, and I didn’t chastise him for it, because I knew he just wanted to do what he can to help his mom be content. I just couldn’t do it myself, and she (thankfully) understands that. But she’s so awesome anyway, she’d naturally not cop an attitude. The woman’s incredible, and I wish she could stop so we could have her on this planet longer. Natalie, former food junkie – or is that junk-food junkie?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. > That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because > not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie

Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn’t afford college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a child, I"m guessing I’ll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the smell now and then. Everyone who says they can’t just doesn’t want to. imho, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >> Ivanhoe Newswire >> www.ivanhoe.com >> September 1, 2004 >> Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times >> greater than diesel car exhaust. >> Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >> message against tobacco use for adolescents. >> Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >> dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >> indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >> lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from >> car exhausts. >> The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town >> where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A >> turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the >> doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was >> fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >> sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >> Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >> particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >> The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >> higher than those measured outdoors. >> This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >> e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >> http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >> SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >>Ivanhoe Newswire >>www.ivanhoe.com >>September 1, 2004 >>Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times >>greater than diesel car exhaust. >>Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >>message against tobacco use for adolescents. >>Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >>dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >>indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >>lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from >>car exhausts. >>The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town >>where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A >>turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the >>doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was >>fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >>sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >>Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >>particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >>The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >>higher than those measured outdoors. >>This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >>e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >>http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >>SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221 > "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town" > Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control. > Now I got a tell ya., I don’t smoke, but these so called reports brought > to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so obvious that it makes > one laugh. > Coming up next… > Terrorism, wars, whacko jacko, the Bush’er, the folks > at Enron, and Martha Stewart… ALL caused by tobacco.

ROFL! Natalie, never-a-smoker

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. > That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because > not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin

I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette smoking is – wow! Natalie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational > message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most > dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels > indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and > lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from > car exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town > where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A > turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the > doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was > fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up > sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times > higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by > e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >Ivanhoe Newswire >www.ivanhoe.com >September 1, 2004 >Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater >than diesel car exhaust. >Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >message against tobacco use for adolescents. >Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car >exhausts. >The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where >there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo >diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors >closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled >with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >higher than those measured outdoors. >This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221 > "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town" > Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control. > Now I got a tell ya., I don’t smoke, but these so called reports brought > to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so obvious that it makes > one laugh.

Coming up next… Terrorism, wars, whacko jacko, the Bush’er, the folks at Enron, and Martha Stewart… ALL caused by tobacco.

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Hope peer pressure does not lead to teenage girls leaving lipstick marks on the exhaust pipe of their VW Cabriolet TDI’s. — ~Philip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes > have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study > proving that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to > smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and > other influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and > I hope it works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than > trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and > the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the > number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 > cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely > reassemble my old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, > front end, swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything > back together). > Cosmin > Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable > educational message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the > most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, > levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine > models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter > emissions from car exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain > town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air > pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in > the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for > four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter > cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for > another 30 minutes. Results of the experiment show the diesel engine > exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels > 15-times higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts > by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). Cosmin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater > than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational > message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most > dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels > indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and > lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car > exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where > there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo > diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors > closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled > with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up > sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times > higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by > e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars Ivanhoe Newswire www.ivanhoe.com September 1, 2004 Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater than diesel car exhaust. Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational message against tobacco use for adolescents. Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car exhausts. The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times higher than those measured outdoors. This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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OT CHUCK

Question:

>Yes, imagine that. People don’t like it when you attack their country or >their ethnicity

[snip] He was doing neither. In memory of all the UK Servicemen killed by their allies incompetence.

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Yes, I miss you too Diana, please email me if you want to talk. I’m sorry to hear that things aren’t going well for you right now as far as control goes and I’m hoping you jump back on your plan real soon. If there’s anything at all that I can help you with please let me know. Take care my friend. — Cheri

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi Cheri ! ! >Missing you friend. How have you been? I am uncontrolled myself headed >for destruction if things don’t change. >Got this insatiable appetite and don’t know how to get rid of it. Food >is my first love right now. One of my friends said it is because my >BG’s are out of reach and once they come in control my appetite should >slow down. >Ohhh I sure hope so cause I can’t keep a going like this LOL >Di > Yes, imagine that. People don’t like it when you attack their >country or > their ethnicity, but if you would like to talk about diabetes you’ll > find a lot of support here. > — > Cheri > >It seemed unbelievable to me to push the Bastions of Strength bit. > >Its very hypocritcal when both countrys and activly engaged in > >conflicts of which are thier own making. > >Sorry, i will push my sorry arse back to the other group > >as you lot in here seem to have a problem with others > >opinions > >Deano… {T2}

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Hi Cheri ! ! Missing you friend. How have you been? I am uncontrolled myself headed for destruction if things don’t change. Got this insatiable appetite and don’t know how to get rid of it. Food is my first love right now. One of my friends said it is because my BG’s are out of reach and once they come in control my appetite should slow down. Ohhh I sure hope so cause I can’t keep a going like this LOL Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, imagine that. People don’t like it when you attack their country or > their ethnicity, but if you would like to talk about diabetes you’ll > find a lot of support here. > — > Cheri >It seemed unbelievable to me to push the Bastions of Strength bit. >Its very hypocritcal when both countrys and activly engaged in >conflicts of which are thier own making. >Sorry, i will push my sorry arse back to the other group >as you lot in here seem to have a problem with others >opinions >Deano… {T2}

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Yes, imagine that. People don’t like it when you attack their country or their ethnicity, but if you would like to talk about diabetes you’ll find a lot of support here. — Cheri

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It seemed unbelievable to me to push the Bastions of Strength bit. >Its very hypocritcal when both countrys and activly engaged in >conflicts of which are thier own making. >Sorry, i will push my sorry arse back to the other group >as you lot in here seem to have a problem with others >opinions >Deano… {T2}

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Deano No we do not have a problem with opinions. I only mentioned you going there because when I was there due to the upset in this group I was told it would be nice if only people from the UK would post there since it was a UK group. Stay here and learn as I would not want anyone to be uninformed because of me. I just felt that the nit-picking on Lorettas sig line is just way out of hand. I am from the USA so that makes me love my country and My God’s people are the Israelites so that makes them my people too so I love both countries. I don’t like some sig lines either but because they are used appropriately below the — (double dash) then that is not my say as I am here for the diabetes information not someone’s sig line. Take care and I really meant what I said about Be Well. I am losing my battle quickly and it is not my desire to see anyone else lose too. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Get a life and if you are not new to usenet you full well know our sig > line is not "addressed" to anyone. If you are offended, I know a great > group you could go to and that is alt.support.diabetes.uk since that > is where you are from. When I visited there I was told it would be > nice if only people from the UK were to post so go have at it. "That" > was offensive to me since I am diabetic and needed the help myself. > Hmm! well yes i am from there i suppose and was looking through > this group for other words of advice from across the pond > as most in here are from the USA > I was just a little shocked by Loretta`s sig and i decided to speak my > mind. > It seemed unbelievable to me to push the Bastions of Strength bit. > Its very hypocritcal when both countrys and activly engaged in > conflicts of which are thier own making. > Sorry, i will push my sorry arse back to the other group > as you lot in here seem to have a problem with others > opinions > Deano… {T2}

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>OH I FORGOT MY SIG AND MY SCREAMING LINE . WE MUSTN’T LET YOU GO AWAY

I let you out the box for a while and you are still offensive to my nostrills. Back you go sado In memory of all the UK Servicemen killed by their allies incompetence. Pete

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> Get a life and if you are not new to usenet you full well know our sig > line is not "addressed" to anyone. If you are offended, I know a great > group you could go to and that is alt.support.diabetes.uk since that > is where you are from. When I visited there I was told it would be > nice if only people from the UK were to post so go have at it. "That" > was offensive to me since I am diabetic and needed the help myself.

Hmm! well yes i am from there i suppose and was looking through this group for other words of advice from across the pond as most in here are from the USA I was just a little shocked by Loretta`s sig and i decided to speak my mind. It seemed unbelievable to me to push the Bastions of Strength bit. Its very hypocritcal when both countrys and activly engaged in conflicts of which are thier own making. Sorry, i will push my sorry arse back to the other group as you lot in here seem to have a problem with others opinions Deano… {T2}

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Thanks, you are right of course. I am loved by the ones who count. I just want you to know that my heart is always with Israel and the United States. I don’t find your sig line anything but a love for two countries that are fabulous. Thanks again Loretta, I appreciate your post. Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Diana you are loved and that is moe important than anything anyone has > to say about things that are not their concern. I just now know who I > dont respond to. They are already the losers. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

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It’s and open forum as you say, and I very much like the sig line. Sig lines are very individual, so how about you get your own? From your post, I would think something with "US bashing" in it would be ideal for you. — Cheri

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hmm! >touchy touchy, >This is an open group is it not ? >so what u write is addressed to everyone,

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"> > Chuck, I am sure you are well aware that it is staying for as long as it > takes for peace in the world, > Hmm, it will become known across the world by then. > The jerks dont get that, Their words are > falling on deaf ears > I hope you sign up for the mags > Done and done. Thanks.- > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

Chuck,Lo..sigs are personal and tell a little of the authors views. I can see where people can get offended..for instance.. "Jesus is the way" this effectively writes off 3/4 of the world.offensive?..no not to me…but it can be.. to people who are insecure. Deano wrote that "Israel and USA were responsible for 1/2 of worlds strife" gee the SAME can be said of the. ..Jesus followers..the christians!..now we get off topic and blah blah blah..all the truth in the world is one big lie. so….dont get offended guys by this…"Long live the queen" "Vultures and thieves at your door" chuck how you holdin up? well i hope.."confusion to our enemies"..soundbite Eddie at your service.. Chuck, i wish americans/unions would organize boycotts of foreign made products that resulted from labor losses in USA..would that be wrong?.. I feel disgusted knowing that i buy products that put my fellow american out of work.heck the worker might go on relief care due to loss of job, and that means we support his family..weird huh?. the money we save on foreign products goes to the workers welfare…thats the downside of capitalism.further..if you care..the money going out of the country ..China for example..goes to nuclear weapon construction..ugh im sick!..I just read today where some south americas muslims have ties to al-queda ties..this money flows from contraband (knock-offs) sold . In fact i predict Some Islamics will profit from sales of illegal drugs sold to nonmuslims! Afghanistan=largest grower of opium! The world is indeed a dangerous place! Imho heading for religious war between Islam and rest of world..I expect Irans nuclear facilities will soon be bombed! sorry for not being on topic…. Ed

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Alan whatever goes under — is of no relevance to this group, It is a sig line, not part of the post and is therefore permitted by usenet I wish everyone woujld get over it, I am offended by lots of things people think and do dont read me, please or any of the others that post that sig line and you wont be offended, any one of you Move on, this was a post to chuck on some info I had for him not for everyone else to start a flame war, get over it already, whatever you say is not making it go away. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Deano, it is a signature line, It is not in the text of my posts, So you dont get aggravated, killfile me but there are others that have that same sig line, so you might be passing up some good information I wont be addressing you anymore. — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Diana you are loved and that is moe important than anything anyone has to say about things that are not their concern. I just now know who I dont respond to. They are already the losers. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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OH I FORGOT MY SIG AND MY SCREAMING LINE . WE MUSTN’T LET YOU GO AWAY — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism I am a Caucasian I have diabetes and a host of other debilitating problems I hate life I hate everything OH yea BTW one thing I do LOVE is that JESUS LOVES ME NO MATTER HOW I

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> See below >Get a life and if you are not new to usenet you full well know our sig >line is not "addressed" to anyone. If you are offended, I know a great >group you could go to and that is alt.support.diabetes.uk since that >is where you are from. When I visited there I was told it would be >nice if only people from the UK were to post so go have at it. "That" >was offensive to me since I am diabetic and needed the help myself. >Diana >The selfish and offensive one of the group. >– >In tribute to the United States of America and the State >of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >terrorism >> > Deano is that Italian for Chuck, mind your business. >> > this was addressed specifically to someone other than you, >> > Hate anyone you like >> Hmm! >> touchy touchy, >> This is an open group is it not ? >> so what u write is addressed to everyone, >> On the name, Dean-o is British for Dean >> The sig is offensive because you give credit >> to Israel for being a "bastion of strength". >> Huh! >> U realise that them countries u mention in you sig >> are responsible for 50% of the world "strife" ? >> Your thoughts are typical >> of someone that only sees the "Home" side of the story, >> Yes i am also diabetic, thats what brought me to this group, >> before you tell me i am a troll or something. >> But your sig is offensive and selfish. >> Deano… {T2} > I hate stepping into these childish disputes, but enough is enough. > I know that the previous posters will take absolutely no notice of > what I say here, but, after putting up with this nonsense from both > sides I feel I have to say it. > I take deep offence, not because the sig concerned mentions those > countries, but because it mentions politics in any form from any > country on an international medical support group. > The sig in question has absolutely nothing to do with diabetes. > If you were proposing a form of lobbying to gain support for research > – maybe politics is OK. Otherwise it is an open invitation to an > argument. > I am equally offended if someone brings religion, mysticism or racial > hate into the forum. > I don’t care if you are black, white, brown or yellow – or if you are > a republican, democrat, labour, liberal, maoist, marxist or > rastifarian. You could be Shinto, Christian, Muslim or anything else – > or atheist; I particularly couldn’t care what country you are from. > Nor do I care whether you hate dubya or love Arnie. > All I care about is whether you can provide some support and guidance > in my fight against this terrible disease or maybe whether I may be > able to help you a little. > I know those concerned won’t change sigs or intolerant views; but at > least I feel better now. > Incidentally, when I post on a ng I accept that all or any can answer > no matter how I address it. > Cheers – Alan

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Well I come and go from this group for the same reason. I am sick to death of offended people. I am offended after being here for the past four years and seeing this group turn into a brawl all the time. I am losing my fight because I can’t find anything useful here anymore with all the crap like what you just posted so I hope you win where I have lost the battle with this dreadful disease. This is my first post on everytime I come here it is me that gets the flack after many many many many many others have carried their brawl and their offended poor wittle hearts into battle. You too get a life where I have none. Be Well Diana

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See below – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Get a life and if you are not new to usenet you full well know our sig >line is not "addressed" to anyone. If you are offended, I know a great >group you could go to and that is alt.support.diabetes.uk since that >is where you are from. When I visited there I was told it would be >nice if only people from the UK were to post so go have at it. "That" >was offensive to me since I am diabetic and needed the help myself. >Diana >The selfish and offensive one of the group. >– >In tribute to the United States of America and the State >of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >terrorism > > Deano is that Italian for Chuck, mind your business. > > this was addressed specifically to someone other than you, > > Hate anyone you like > Hmm! > touchy touchy, > This is an open group is it not ? > so what u write is addressed to everyone, > On the name, Dean-o is British for Dean > The sig is offensive because you give credit > to Israel for being a "bastion of strength". > Huh! > U realise that them countries u mention in you sig > are responsible for 50% of the world "strife" ? > Your thoughts are typical > of someone that only sees the "Home" side of the story, > Yes i am also diabetic, thats what brought me to this group, > before you tell me i am a troll or something. > But your sig is offensive and selfish. > Deano… {T2}

I hate stepping into these childish disputes, but enough is enough. I know that the previous posters will take absolutely no notice of what I say here, but, after putting up with this nonsense from both sides I feel I have to say it. I take deep offence, not because the sig concerned mentions those countries, but because it mentions politics in any form from any country on an international medical support group. The sig in question has absolutely nothing to do with diabetes. If you were proposing a form of lobbying to gain support for research – maybe politics is OK. Otherwise it is an open invitation to an argument. I am equally offended if someone brings religion, mysticism or racial hate into the forum. I don’t care if you are black, white, brown or yellow – or if you are a republican, democrat, labour, liberal, maoist, marxist or rastifarian. You could be Shinto, Christian, Muslim or anything else – or atheist; I particularly couldn’t care what country you are from. Nor do I care whether you hate dubya or love Arnie. All I care about is whether you can provide some support and guidance in my fight against this terrible disease or maybe whether I may be able to help you a little. I know those concerned won’t change sigs or intolerant views; but at least I feel better now. Incidentally, when I post on a ng I accept that all or any can answer no matter how I address it. Cheers – Alan

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Get a life and if you are not new to usenet you full well know our sig line is not "addressed" to anyone. If you are offended, I know a great group you could go to and that is alt.support.diabetes.uk since that is where you are from. When I visited there I was told it would be nice if only people from the UK were to post so go have at it. "That" was offensive to me since I am diabetic and needed the help myself. Diana The selfish and offensive one of the group. — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Deano is that Italian for Chuck, mind your business. > this was addressed specifically to someone other than you, > Hate anyone you like > Hmm! > touchy touchy, > This is an open group is it not ? > so what u write is addressed to everyone, > On the name, Dean-o is British for Dean > The sig is offensive because you give credit > to Israel for being a "bastion of strength". > Huh! > U realise that them countries u mention in you sig > are responsible for 50% of the world "strife" ? > Your thoughts are typical > of someone that only sees the "Home" side of the story, > Yes i am also diabetic, thats what brought me to this group, > before you tell me i am a troll or something. > But your sig is offensive and selfish. > Deano… {T2}

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> Chuck, I am sure you are well aware that it is staying for as long as it > takes for peace in the world,

Hmm, it will become known across the world by then. > The jerks dont get that, Their words are > falling on deaf ears > I hope you sign up for the mags

Done and done. Thanks. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

– Chuck -

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OT, Oh Arnold, We Hardly Knew Ye!

Question:

> JERRY! JERRY!

When I lived there, I remember one particular bumper sticker: Jerry Brown goes down more often than nuclear power plants! — Wes Groleau When all you have is a perl, everything looks like a string.

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ah wes.. i was talking about Jerry Springer.. the show? what all the goofballs go on… but yes, i recall Jerry Brown as well. — RK T1 – 5/00

: > JERRY! JERRY! : : When I lived there, I remember one particular : bumper sticker: : : Jerry Brown goes down more often than nuclear power plants! : : — : Wes Groleau : When all you have is a perl, everything looks like a string. :

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You must be talking about "Medfly Brown" the governor that lost his job because he mishandled an infestation of Medflies. He is the mayor of Oakland, CA now. TerryR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ah wes.. i was talking about Jerry Springer.. the show? > what all the goofballs go on… > but yes, i recall Jerry Brown as well. > — > RK > T1 – 5/00 > : > JERRY! JERRY! > : > : When I lived there, I remember one particular > : bumper sticker: > : > : Jerry Brown goes down more often than nuclear power plants! > : > : — > : Wes Groleau > : When all you have is a perl, everything looks like a string. > :

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You got that right. LOL — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why switch a sows ear for a boars ear? You still won’t have >a silk purse. > TerryR > Sounds like what Gray Davis already did. > — > Cheri > >I don’t care what his daddy did. I’m not voting for him > >because of what he did and what I think he will do – >nothing > >that will benefit the majority of Californiaians. > >TerryR

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The illustrious mayor of Oakland CA now. I voted for Jerry Brown ONCE in my younger years. LOL — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >ah wes.. i was talking about Jerry Springer.. the show? >what all the goofballs go on… >but yes, i recall Jerry Brown as well. >– >RK >T1 – 5/00

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We arent talking about these days Ronnie, we are talking about those days. LOL Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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I would not vote for a decendant of a nazi until the seventh generation. I curse them all. I lost too many of my family to ever forgive them. PJ

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I am with you peanut, Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>The illustrious mayor of Oakland CA now. I voted for Jerry Brown ONCE in >my younger years. LOL

I didn’t inhale either. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200′ elevation. NY WO G

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JERRY! JERRY! — RK T1 – 5/00

: I didn’t vote for Gray, but I didn’t sign a petition for his recall : either. I’m always for letting the term run it’s course and dump them : when it’s over, unless there’s proof of malfeasance or something like : that going on. No reason to run someone off just because they’re stupid, : inept, and silly looking. Most of them across the nation would be gone : if that were the case. : : — : Cheri :

: >Well we have to have a little off topic discussions on occasion to : >keep us on our toes. They mostly remain civil, but sometimes not. I : >must say that I thouroughly enjoyed San Diego when I visited, but : >always said I loved New England because of the four distinct seasons. : >Unfortunately, of late it is either roasting or freezing, no middle : >ground. I could never live on the left coast unless it was Wa. or Or. : >Too many wackos in Ca for me. This whole recall thing is going to have : >far reaching consequenses for our political system, and I don’t think : >the result will be for the good. How 1.6 million people, (out of how : >many?) can nullify an election that was only a year ago, is beyond my : >comprehension. Whether you support, or hate Davis, this thing is very : >bad news. : > : >Sleepy : : :

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I didn’t vote for Gray, but I didn’t sign a petition for his recall either. I’m always for letting the term run it’s course and dump them when it’s over, unless there’s proof of malfeasance or something like that going on. No reason to run someone off just because they’re stupid, inept, and silly looking. Most of them across the nation would be gone if that were the case. — Cheri

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well we have to have a little off topic discussions on occasion to >keep us on our toes. They mostly remain civil, but sometimes not. I >must say that I thouroughly enjoyed San Diego when I visited, but >always said I loved New England because of the four distinct seasons. >Unfortunately, of late it is either roasting or freezing, no middle >ground. I could never live on the left coast unless it was Wa. or Or. >Too many wackos in Ca for me. This whole recall thing is going to have >far reaching consequenses for our political system, and I don’t think >the result will be for the good. How 1.6 million people, (out of how >many?) can nullify an election that was only a year ago, is beyond my >comprehension. Whether you support, or hate Davis, this thing is very >bad news. >Sleepy

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Sounds like what Gray Davis already did. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I don’t care what his daddy did. I’m not voting for him >because of what he did and what I think he will do – nothing >that will benefit the majority of Californiaians. >TerryR

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I certainly agree with you about New England. I love it there, especially in the fall. The seafood there is marvelous. Most people I met there seem to be much more "sane" than here in CA. Unfortunately for me I’m stuck in San Diego. The weather in San Diego has been HOT and humid this year, unless you live within sight of the coast. I’m presently paying over $300 per month running A/C. Although I agree with the ideology of the recall tribe, I do not agree with their tactics. Like you said, the voters chose their bed in the last election and they should be given a chance to lie in it. TerryR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well we have to have a little off topic discussions on occasion to > keep us on our toes. They mostly remain civil, but sometimes not. I > must say that I thouroughly enjoyed San Diego when I visited, but > always said I loved New England because of the four distinct seasons. > Unfortunately, of late it is either roasting or freezing, no middle > ground. I could never live on the left coast unless it was Wa. or Or. > Too many wackos in Ca for me. This whole recall thing is going to have > far reaching consequenses for our political system, and I don’t think > the result will be for the good. How 1.6 million people, (out of how > many?) can nullify an election that was only a year ago, is beyond my > comprehension. Whether you support, or hate Davis, this thing is very > bad news. > Sleepy >This kind of back and forth responses is not good for the newsgroup about >"diabetes" .. What is wromg with you East Coast people!! Best is West.. >Larry in nice San Diego where most old timers don’t bicker (sp?). >larry > OK, so what’s the speed of dark?

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Why switch a sows ear for a boars ear? You still won’t have a silk purse. TerryR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like what Gray Davis already did. > — > Cheri >I don’t care what his daddy did. I’m not voting for him >because of what he did and what I think he will do – nothing >that will benefit the majority of Californiaians. >TerryR

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I don’t care what his daddy did. I’m not voting for him because of what he did and what I think he will do – nothing that will benefit the majority of Californiaians. TerryR

http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/isschwarzenegger29.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Plus it turns out his daddy was no shrinking violet when it came to > being a Nazi. He not only joined the party, he joined the "SA".The > Brown Shirts.The precursors of the SS. Were the ones responsible for > Kristalnact, amongst many other crimes. Not that it should have any > bearing on Arnie, just for informational purposes only. > OK, so what’s the speed of dark?

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Arnold did denounce his father and didnt attend his funeral. He has made great contributions to the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation. I hope his real feelings arent antisemitic, but we dont know that. Do the sins of the father come to the son, I really am undecided on that. jmo Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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This kind of back and forth responses is not good for the newsgroup about "diabetes" .. What is wromg with you East Coast people!! Best is West.. Larry in nice San Diego where most old timers don’t bicker (sp?). larry

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Sleepy, children are brought into the world without any prejudices, Where do they learn to hate minority groups,. they learn from the family and friends. I am not so sure that Arnold was not exposed to hate as a child. Of course, he may be completely different as an adult. jmo. Loretta I wont be going here again. — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> Sleepy, children are brought into the world without any prejudices, > Where do they learn to hate minority groups,. they learn from the family > and friends. I am not so sure that Arnold was not exposed to hate as a > child. Of course, he may be completely different as an adult. jmo.

I would be willing to bet most learn it from groups they get into at school. Now days kids don’t see their parents that often :-) — "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!" George W.Bush, Sept. 13. 2001 "I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." George W.Bush, March 13, 2002 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Sleepy FARTed ROTFL BJ

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> Not that it should have any > bearing on Arnie, just for informational purposes only.

It’s important to know his dad was wrong in the war because Arnie has nothing to do with it? When my mom was a baby she peed in her diapers, because she wasn’t toilet trained yet. It shouldn’t have any bearing on me while looking for that new job, but for information purposes only. — CeeBee Uxbridge: "By God, sir, I’ve lost my leg!" Wellington: "By God, sir, so you have!"

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Then why mention it at all if not to cause doubt about him? You’re being no better than the media about dredging up smut. Budd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/isschwarzenegger29.htm > Plus it turns out his daddy was no shrinking violet when it came to > being a Nazi. He not only joined the party, he joined the "SA".The > Brown Shirts.The precursors of the SS. Were the ones responsible for > Kristalnact, amongst many other crimes. Not that it should have any > bearing on Arnie, just for informational purposes only. > OK, so what’s the speed of dark?

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Need insulin advice

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Wow! I hit the motherload of information with you, Al. Thank you so much. I’m printing all this out to discuss with my doc when I see him. You are such a dear person to take the amount of time it must have taken to give me this answer. I’m blessed. Bonita

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Because the diabetic medications haven’t worked for me, I’m >going to go on insulin. My doctor has asked me numerous >times over the years if I wanted to take insulin, and I >always thought of it as giving up and being defeated. I >know that’s silly, but it’s how I looked at it. Now, >though, I think it may be my only choice for gaining >control. >My questions are these: >1. I need to know about the different types of insulin, why >some work differently, and what’s recommended or what has >worked well with those of you who do use insulin? >2. How do I avoid hypos? >3. Please tell me about balancing meals to insulin use and >what to watch for? >If you can think of any other things I might need to be >aware of, do please jump in and tell me. This is a big step >for me. >Bonita > You probably aren

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Glucophage XR – Managing change in work schedule

Question:

> The timing with Glucophage XR isn’t a fixed thing. You were probably told > to take it with the main meal because of the stomach upset it can cause. > Just take it at about the same time each day with either a meal or a snack > and you should be fine. > Now, if you survive that nasty work schedule…those are some cruel hours! > c

Thanks for reminding me it was the tummy upset thing. I had forgotten. Yeah I’ll try to take it "about the same time each day" but for the last two years my "morning" was noon, and my "bedtime" was from about 4 am to noon, which is when I’ll be working tomorrow. Sheesh.! But I think I will like both of my new jobs once I learn them, and when the store remodel is finished. Carol

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The timing with Glucophage XR isn’t a fixed thing. You were probably told to take it with the main meal because of the stomach upset it can cause. Just take it at about the same time each day with either a meal or a snack and you should be fine. Now, if you survive that nasty work schedule…those are some cruel hours! c – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Long time, too busy to post. > I have had the same job for 2 years and work almost exclusively the > swing shift from 3 or 4 pm until midnight or later. Lately our store is > being remodeled and there has been a lot of overtime. I’ve been working > as much as 60 hours a week on my "part time" job. > I was just promoted twice to two other part time jobs I am learning > simultaneously. My new schedule means two nights a week I’ll do my same > old schedule, but in a different job as PIC which is another name for > manager on duty. My other job is sectionhead of the intimates > department. Those days I’ll work probably midday except Sunday when I > have to work the early early shift. > So my problem is what to do about taking my Glucophage which I was told > to take with my "main meal of the day, around six pm". So I never manage > to eat at six since my "lunch" is later, but I try to stay close and eat > during my break. > Does anybody have experience or suggestions dealing with frequently > changing schedules. For instance I just got home from work tonight and > its 3 pm. I have to sleep tonight, and somehow enjoy my 12 hours of > quilting (HAH!) for my day off at the quilting bee, but sleep again and > be up and bright eyed and bushy tailed for a 6 am shift Sunday. So > two 8 hr sleeps in 24 hours? And what will my body do? It doesn’t > believe its morning when I get up at the wrong time, unless I somehow > manipulate food and exercise the day before. How do I do that quilting? > So my schdule has run > Sunday – 3 to midnight > Monday – 2 to 11 > Tuesday – 11am to 8 pm > Wednesday – 11am to 8 pm > Thursday – 10am to 7 pm > Friday – 10am to 7 pm > Saturday – off > Sunday – 2 to 11pm > Monday 3 to Midnight > Tuesday – 3 to Midnight > Wednesday Noon to 8 pm but I had to stay til llpm > Thursday – off > Today – 3pm to midnight but I was there until 2am > Saturday off but I have a turn around for > Sunday 6 AM to 3 but nobody ever gets to leave by 3 on Sunday > Monday 9am to 6 pm > Tuesday – 4 to midnight > Wednesday – 4 to midnight > Thursday – off > Friday – off > Saturday – 10am to 7pm > Sunday – 6 AM to 3 pm again > So any tips on how to not ruin my biochemistry. > I’ve been stalled on my weight loss for about 6 weeks and just lost a > pound this week. So I don’t want to mess anything up. > Carol > Oh PS for those who remember me from whenever, my Dad’s prostate cancer > is under control after radiation. He was diagnosed with skin cancer on > his face but it was all removed safely. His eyesight hasn’t gotten any > worse. My mother seems to be a little more educated on his diabetes. He > will be 80 on Aug. 20. All the family (except my scummy kid, whereabouts > unknown, he’s out of jail) will get together for a big birthday party. > DHs health is also pretty good. He’s holding down a six man shop by > himself right now, going 16 directions but loving every minute of it. > And his legs remain relatively healthy.

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Long time, too busy to post. I have had the same job for 2 years and work almost exclusively the swing shift from 3 or 4 pm until midnight or later. Lately our store is being remodeled and there has been a lot of overtime. I’ve been working as much as 60 hours a week on my "part time" job. I was just promoted twice to two other part time jobs I am learning simultaneously. My new schedule means two nights a week I’ll do my same old schedule, but in a different job as PIC which is another name for manager on duty. My other job is sectionhead of the intimates department. Those days I’ll work probably midday except Sunday when I have to work the early early shift. So my problem is what to do about taking my Glucophage which I was told to take with my "main meal of the day, around six pm". So I never manage to eat at six since my "lunch" is later, but I try to stay close and eat during my break. Does anybody have experience or suggestions dealing with frequently changing schedules. For instance I just got home from work tonight and its 3 pm. I have to sleep tonight, and somehow enjoy my 12 hours of quilting (HAH!) for my day off at the quilting bee, but sleep again and be up and bright eyed and bushy tailed for a 6 am shift Sunday. So two 8 hr sleeps in 24 hours? And what will my body do? It doesn’t believe its morning when I get up at the wrong time, unless I somehow manipulate food and exercise the day before. How do I do that quilting? So my schdule has run Sunday – 3 to midnight Monday – 2 to 11 Tuesday – 11am to 8 pm Wednesday – 11am to 8 pm Thursday – 10am to 7 pm Friday – 10am to 7 pm Saturday – off Sunday – 2 to 11pm Monday 3 to Midnight Tuesday – 3 to Midnight Wednesday Noon to 8 pm but I had to stay til llpm Thursday – off Today – 3pm to midnight but I was there until 2am Saturday off but I have a turn around for Sunday 6 AM to 3 but nobody ever gets to leave by 3 on Sunday Monday 9am to 6 pm Tuesday – 4 to midnight Wednesday – 4 to midnight Thursday – off Friday – off Saturday – 10am to 7pm Sunday – 6 AM to 3 pm again So any tips on how to not ruin my biochemistry. I’ve been stalled on my weight loss for about 6 weeks and just lost a pound this week. So I don’t want to mess anything up. Carol Oh PS for those who remember me from whenever, my Dad’s prostate cancer is under control after radiation. He was diagnosed with skin cancer on his face but it was all removed safely. His eyesight hasn’t gotten any worse. My mother seems to be a little more educated on his diabetes. He will be 80 on Aug. 20. All the family (except my scummy kid, whereabouts unknown, he’s out of jail) will get together for a big birthday party. DHs health is also pretty good. He’s holding down a six man shop by himself right now, going 16 directions but loving every minute of it. And his legs remain relatively healthy.

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Lashing out

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Need to stop and think how bad or dead we would be if there weren’t any drug company, insulin people , ADA or NIH. to complain about. It’s the only dance in town!! don

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lets face it, diabetes is a real pain. And we do > not expect it to every go away. > I have to try to control my emotions on the issue. > We hate the ADA and NIH, our doctors, the meter > people, the insulin people, the drug companies,and > the fellow down the street that can eat a ton. > We get very offended by someone that is very limited > in diabetic knowledge trying to tell us their solution. > There are a lot of unknowns about diabetes. Some have > pat answers that will not stand critical examination. > Yes, the problem is a pain but we have to try to > educate ourselves and keep up day by day. > I know I am miles ahead of the antique info > I was given in 1976. It is a game of looking > at all info and building on it. > If you depend on other people for your ideas > because you want a pat answer, you may lose. > We need to ignore our trolls. They are here in a > self serving mode. Most have no real info and > much warped information to get attention. > But lashing out is of little value. A letter to > your congressman will help. Tell them they > are for you or against you. It is their decision > and there will be more elections.

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: : Lets face it, diabetes is a real pain. And we do : not expect it to every go away. : : I have to try to control my emotions on the issue. : : We hate the ADA and NIH, our doctors, the meter : people, the insulin people, the drug companies,and : the fellow down the street that can eat a ton. : : We get very offended by someone that is very limited : in diabetic knowledge trying to tell us their solution. : : There are a lot of unknowns about diabetes. Some have : pat answers that will not stand critical examination. : : Yes, the problem is a pain but we have to try to : educate ourselves and keep up day by day. : : I know I am miles ahead of the antique info : I was given in 1976. It is a game of looking : at all info and building on it. : : If you depend on other people for your ideas : because you want a pat answer, you may lose. : : We need to ignore our trolls. They are here in a : self serving mode. Most have no real info and : much warped information to get attention. : : But lashing out is of little value. A letter to : your congressman will help. Tell them they : are for you or against you. It is their decision : and there will be more elections. while I usually agree with you on most things you say Guy.. this hating the ADA I really can’t pick up a copy of the Diabetes Forcast (got mine in the mail today) there is a great article in there about Pensylvania Jails denying diabetics timely food and insulin. A couple attorneys have come to bat for the diabetics, called in the ADA to help as well. At the bottom it states, "If you’re in jail and denied Insulin call the ADA" If you think about it.. that’s what they are there for… for us Diabetics to speak out for us.. While alot they might do we disagree with.. there is much good they do that outweights the bad. my $.04 RK

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I am not sure we disagree. The "we" was a collective. the posts contain a variety of complaints about every aspect of diabetes. "Something Is wrong". We all look for the things to blame and mother nature does not respond. It is a natural reaction. On the complaint issue, Life Scan is sending me a new meter. Finally talked to the right person. We need to get things out of our system, but to get any positive results, complain to the proper people. Guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: >: Lets face it, diabetes is a real pain. And we do >: not expect it to every go away. >: >: I have to try to control my emotions on the issue. >: >: We hate the ADA and NIH, our doctors, the meter >: people, the insulin people, the drug companies,and >: the fellow down the street that can eat a ton. >: >while I usually agree with you on most things >you say Guy.. this hating the ADA I really can’t >pick up a copy of the Diabetes Forcast (got mine >in the mail today) there is a great article in there >about Pensylvania Jails denying diabetics timely >food and insulin. A couple attorneys have come >to bat for the diabetics, called in the ADA to help >as well. At the bottom it states, "If you’re in jail >and denied Insulin call the ADA" If you think about >it.. that’s what they are there for… for us Diabetics >to speak out for us.. While alot they might do we >disagree with.. there is much good they do that >outweights the bad. >my $.04 >RK

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: : I am not sure we disagree. The "we" was a collective. the : posts contain a variety of complaints about every aspect of diabetes. : "Something Is wrong". We all look for the things to blame and : mother nature does not respond. It is a natural reaction. : gotta agree there : On the complaint issue, Life Scan is sending me a new meter. : Finally talked to the right person. awesome!… about time.. I’m happy for you Guy. sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease as my mama says.. : : We need to get things out of our system, but to get any : positive results, complain to the proper people. agree 1001% : Guy : RK :

: >: : >: Lets face it, diabetes is a real pain. And we do : >: not expect it to every go away. : >: : >: I have to try to control my emotions on the issue. : >: : >: We hate the ADA and NIH, our doctors, the meter : >: people, the insulin people, the drug companies,and : >: the fellow down the street that can eat a ton. : >: : > : > : >while I usually agree with you on most things : >you say Guy.. this hating the ADA I really can’t : >pick up a copy of the Diabetes Forcast (got mine : >in the mail today) there is a great article in there : >about Pensylvania Jails denying diabetics timely : >food and insulin. A couple attorneys have come : >to bat for the diabetics, called in the ADA to help : >as well. At the bottom it states, "If you’re in jail : >and denied Insulin call the ADA" If you think about : >it.. that’s what they are there for… for us Diabetics : >to speak out for us.. While alot they might do we : >disagree with.. there is much good they do that : >outweights the bad. : > : >my $.04 : > : >RK : > :

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> We hate the ADA and NIH, our doctors, the meter people, the insulin

people, the drug companies,and the fellow down the street that can eat a ton. I don’t hate any of these people. But I do sometimes envy someone who can have a *whole* slice of chocolate birthday cake *and* ice cream with it — especially when it’s MY birthday! I’m sad that my wonderfully nice endo has left town; he’s been great in my thryoid cancer followup and also understands why I like to bg test a lot (my internist seems puzzled when I wanted to go over 4/day). I haven’t met my new one yet but hope it works out. It’s a lot harder to find a good thyca doctor than a good dm doctor! My old endo is going to be concentrating more on researching non-responsive thyca, so while I wish him well I hope I never need his results. > But lashing out is of little value. A letter to your congressman will help.

A letter to my non-voting delegate won’t do diddly. She’s a nice enough person, I guess, and she tries hard, but doesn’t have any clout — especially with a Republican controlled government. As I said at a recent business meeting, I was the only person in the room that you couldn’t blame for congress, but I know I have company here on that subject. bj

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Lets face it, diabetes is a real pain. And we do not expect it to every go away. I have to try to control my emotions on the issue. We hate the ADA and NIH, our doctors, the meter people, the insulin people, the drug companies,and the fellow down the street that can eat a ton. We get very offended by someone that is very limited in diabetic knowledge trying to tell us their solution. There are a lot of unknowns about diabetes. Some have pat answers that will not stand critical examination. Yes, the problem is a pain but we have to try to educate ourselves and keep up day by day. I know I am miles ahead of the antique info I was given in 1976. It is a game of looking at all info and building on it. If you depend on other people for your ideas because you want a pat answer, you may lose. We need to ignore our trolls. They are here in a self serving mode. Most have no real info and much warped information to get attention. But lashing out is of little value. A letter to your congressman will help. Tell them they are for you or against you. It is their decision and there will be more elections.

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Computer program for diabetes

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Someone asked for information concerning a program such as this. It contains many foods already and allows the entry of something not in the database. The program Food and Exercise Diary counts calories, tracks glucose testing, blood pressure and amt of insulin (if used). I orginally got it for weight loss but you know the rest of the story: Type II just diagnosed I can also print out results for my doctor for her review. Hope this helps. Lyle http://www.weightlosssoftware.com/

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said this… > Someone asked for information concerning a program such as this.

Conmmercial payware. Health is freeware http://wave.prohosting.com/ugleeeee/index.html Ratty — www.flyingrat.net

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"Flying Rat" wrote … Conmmercial payware. Health is freeware http://wave.prohosting.com/ugleeeee/index.html I switched over to "Health" a few weeks ago and it is just outstanding. Highly recommend it. Arnie –

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I was going to add this program to my directory but the site was not accessible. If it is your site, please email me and I will update the directory. — Editor, Internet’s Convenient and Unbiased Directory of Nutrition Software http://nutritionsoftware.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Someone asked for information concerning a program such as this. It > contains many foods already and allows the entry of something not in the > database. > The program Food and Exercise Diary counts calories, tracks > glucose testing, blood pressure and amt of insulin (if used). I orginally > got it for weight loss but you know the rest of the story: Type II just > diagnosed > I can also print out results for my doctor for her review. > Hope this helps. > Lyle > http://www.weightlosssoftware.com/

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Large potions.

Question:

a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… . What different behavior modification, behavior change techniques are there for modifying the habit of eating of large portions of foods?… b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… . How do you calculate units or exchange?…

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> a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… > . What different behavior modification, behavior change techniques > are there for modifying the habit of eating of large portions of > foods?…

I can’t answer that because I hate eating large portions of food, unless it’s salad. I do love eating big salad! Do you normally eat salad? If not, perhaps you could add that to your diet. Soup made with low carb veggies or even hot broth taken between meals or before a meal can help to fill you up too. Actually, now that I think of it, there is one other food I *could* eat a large portion of and you would have to mention that below… > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… > . How do you calculate units or exchange?…

Yow! The problem would likely be BG through the roof! A serving of rice for a diabetic is 1/3 cup. And that’s 1/3 cup cooked! 1 cup of raw rice cooked would wind up being 3 cups when cooked. At least I think it would. Add vegetables and sauce to that and you’ve upped the carbs even more! I love rice and would have a hard time sticking to just portion I’m allowed. So for a long time, I didn’t eat it at all. I then found that I could eat it if I added it to soup. I now make my soup and cook the rice separately so I can add exactly the right amount to my portion. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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I’ve never had a problem with small portions, probably at least in part due to stomach problems. Larger portions. It is easier, and better for me, to eat several small "meals" throughout the day. For example, breakfast is uaually Milton’s multigrain bread, toasted and an orange or some pineapple or something along those lines. That will keep me going for a couple of hours, then I will have some soup, a sandwich, or a salad. Or maybe just some fruit or veggies. Around 4 p.m. I have coffee or tea and if I’m feeling like I’m on the low side, a snack. Dinner, and then a snack later and I’m set. It seems like alot, but it’s really not. It’s just a matter of spreading it out. This keeps the BG’s steadier, and feels better for my tummy. > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?…

A whole cup of rice will be almost 3 cups cooked….that’s a huge amount! I can eat about 1/2- 3/4 cup of brown rice without much problem….much less if it’s white. The veggies are a good idea though. > . How do you calculate units or exchange?…

I really don’t to be honest. kimberly

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Don. The behavior mod. comes into play when you test and probably discover that the full cup of rice will give you a pretty high BG reading….You can eat large portions but only of the things that aren’t apt to raise your BG’s. …salad, sugar-free Jello… You are looking at the exchange diet plan and yes it is important in weight loss but more important for diabetics will be eating the foods and amount of foods that will not show a high when you test with your meter. This is known as "eating to your meter" Knowing exchanges is part of your food plan but portion control is very important….unfortunately. I would love to sit down and eat 1 or 2 full cups of mashed potatoes, gravy and I’d be satisfied with nothing else but, my meter would tell me I screwed up big time… IMHO Memory

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I’ve respelled the subject lne. Sorry if this causes problems for anybody.

> a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… > I can’t answer that in the terms is which it was asked. But I do know that *once you’ve done it for a while* the problem takes care of itself. If your stomach is used to being filled with large portions, then you will feel hungry if you eat a small portion. After you’ve accustomed it to small portions, it is comfortable with that size of meal. > > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… > Over how long a period of time? For one meal? That would probably spike most T2s. That is about what I cook for a day. That is FOUR meals’ worth. A quarter of that at one meal doesn’t spike me. Even that much might spike another person. — Frank Palmer

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I haven’t had eno;ugh coffee yet to notice spelling,

Try visual modification. Use smaller plates. Instead of a full size dinner plate put your servings on a salad plate. Put your utensils down between bites and only cut the food as you need it instead of in advance. When I took my diabetes education class they said to divide the plate into 1/2 for non-starchy veggies, 1/4 for a carb and 1/4 for a meat/protien. I have increased the protien and reduced the carb even more. > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?…

Rice is a carbohydrate. The amount of rice you are talking about it the amount I make when I am serving three or more people. I can eat more brown rice than white rice but 3/4C is my max. Try substituting bean sprouts for some of the rice. They are crunchy and noodle like and very BG friendly. > . How do you calculate units or exchange?…

A serving of carbohydtrate is figured as 15 grams. 1/3 cup white rice=1serving=15grams carb c

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>a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… > . What different behavior modification, behavior change techniques > are there for modifying the habit of eating of large portions of > foods?…

Accepting large portions is nothing other than habit and greed and a stretched belly need more filling. Behaviour change techniques?? FFS just make the portions small and after a while when the belly shrinks a little smaller portions will stop the hunger pangs. Anything beyond that is greed. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin [Those who send unsolicited mail are Spammers] All mail from non recognised addresses is automaticaly dumped. If you wish to mail me then request A subject line pass phrase.

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>. . .(snip). . .b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… > . How do you calculate units or exchange?…

AFAIK, one full-cup of un-cooked rice contains about 210 gram of carb. . .or about 15 carb exchanges. (A carb exchange is 15 gram of carbohydrate; I just now weighed a "cup" of uncooked long-grain rice. ) That is about one-whole day’s worth of carb for a diabetic on a high-carb diet, i.e. a "large" male, usually one on insulin. "Not-large" males, or most women aren’t supposed to eat that much carb in an entire day. I am a large male on insulin, I cook 1/4 of a cup of rice for a high-carb single meal. Such a meal requires low-carb veggies to balance the high-carb rice portion. The reduced size of the permissible daily carb limit is about the most unwelcome, unpleasant, perhaps shocking revelation for new diabetics. We have been spoiled by the modern diet. Regards Old Al

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve respelled the subject lne. Sorry if this causes > problems for anybody. > > a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… > I can’t answer that in the terms is which it was asked. But > I do know that *once you’ve done it for a while* the problem > takes care of itself. If your stomach is used to being > filled with large portions, then you will feel hungry if you > eat a small portion. After you’ve accustomed it to small > portions, it is comfortable with that size of meal. > > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… > Over how long a period of time? > For one meal? That would probably spike most T2s. > That is about what I cook for a day. That is FOUR meals’ > worth. A quarter of that at one meal doesn’t spike me. > Even that much might spike another person. > — > Frank Palmer

I agree with Frank. There’s two ways to approach this. 1. Eat large portions of fibre rich, water content high, low carb foods. I can eat a bowl of garden salad that would usually do 4 people. Or a stir fry. If the pre-packed mix says serves four , that’s about right for me and someone who wants a small serve – any leftovers go in my omelettes. Most people I’ve observed treat fresh salads like they’re a garnish! Soups with lots of veges are great too. 2. Shrink your stomach. It WILL shrink pretty quickly if you don’t eat much for a few days. Like when you have the flu, for instance. But since that’s a bit severe normally, for a diabetic, and NOT recommended, it has to be done gradually. Every meal, stop eating just before you’ve had quite enough. Leave the table with the feeling you COULD have eaten just a little bit more. Keep on doing that, meal after meal. Have some high protein meals, that are smaller in bulk, but satisfy easier. Add a little oil to your meals – that satisfies the appetite as well, yet is tiny in bulk. Eat nuts, they are both rich in oil and high in fibre, low in carbs. But never eat more than a handful at a snack. One day you’ll just happen to notice that your meal portions are much smaller than they used to be – and you can now ease up and relax, and eat to your satisfaction – you will feel full with much less. The biggest problem is that most people eat large portions of carb dense foods, and as their bg rises, crave even more! Even for non-diabetics, there’s something about carbs that seems to increase the desire for more, even when you’re stomach is groaning. They just don’t satisfy properly. Once you start really avoiding them , and/or limiting the amounts, you’ll find things a lot easier. Annette

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I guess I’m kinda stupid, but for some unknown reason, I’m able to fool myself from time to time. I just use smaller plates and smaller bowls and smaller glasses. Then I can fill them up and still reduce portion size, but in my demented head, it looks like a full plate, bowl or glass. I dunno, works for me. Bonita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… > . What different behavior modification, behavior change techniques > are there for modifying the habit of eating of large portions of > foods?… > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… > . How do you calculate units or exchange?…

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hewkt en fanickz werkt fer mee. Bonita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I haven’t had eno;ugh coffee yet to notice spelling, > a. . How do you modify the habit of eating large portions of foods?… > . What different behavior modification, behavior change techniques > are there for modifying the habit of eating of large portions of > foods?… > Try visual modification. Use smaller plates. Instead of a full size dinner > plate put your servings on a salad plate. Put your utensils down between > bites and only cut the food as you need it instead of in advance. When I > took my diabetes education class they said to divide the plate into 1/2 for > non-starchy veggies, 1/4 for a carb and 1/4 for a meat/protien. I have > increased the protien and reduced the carb even more. > b. . What’s problematical about preparing a full cup of brown long > grain rice with 2 cups of wather and eating it all either by > itself or eating it all with vegetables, seasoning and sauce?… > Rice is a carbohydrate. The amount of rice you are talking about it the > amount I make when I am serving three or more people. I can eat more brown > rice than white rice but 3/4C is my max. Try substituting bean sprouts for > some of the rice. They are crunchy and noodle like and very BG friendly. > . How do you calculate units or exchange?… > A serving of carbohydtrate is figured as 15 grams. > 1/3 cup white rice=1serving=15grams carb > c

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If you are used to eating large portions, it is difficult, Instead of three large meals, how about five smaller meals that equal the calories, if you dont have to lose weight. Or three average meals portioned controlled with a couple of low carb snacks during the day, about l5 grams at a time I have been portion controlling for a couple of years now and that seems to work for me, I bought a book by Dr Allan Borshuk, Fat, Calorie and Carbohydrate and I ate to that book. Good luck, If you have weight to lose,portion control will help. I have for example four ounces protein one starch one vegetable and either soup or salad one half cup pasta is one starch a three or four ounce potato fill up on the veggtes and yet not be deprived of things you love to eat, Your meter will be your guide as to what you can consume in starches. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>I’m able to fool myself from time to time. I >just use smaller plates and smaller bowls and smaller glasses. Then I can fill them up and still >reduce portion size, but in my demented head, it looks like a full plate, bowl or glass. I dunno, >works for me.

Hey, this is an old WW trick. It was listed as one of their diet tips. Never worked for me, tho. I knew the truth and took second helpings to compensate. LOL. Dana "There must be more to life than having everything." Maurice Sendak

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Wine and Metformin

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I limit my beer to a case a month now, only problem I have is when I drink it all in one day and have a long dry stretch before the next month rolls around I’m not on medication though, and I gave up hard liquor last year. Seriously, it is hard to give up everything a person enjoys. I think moderation is the key. Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >JIM >I just saw your post >unfortunately i drink a lot of wine as I make the damn stuff >It is probably my downfall and might even be contributing to a lot of my >problems. >i am on 2 x Metformin 500mg per day

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Just a brief "Thank you" to everyone for your input. It’s good having others to bounce things off of so that I don’t have to make every decision in isolation. My doc says a little wine is okay, but I still like to double check on her advice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about >mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able >to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because >we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly >serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? >One report I came across (below) seems to indicate that as long as I >have normal kidney and liver function that a little wine is highly >unlikely to cause these problems. >So, in the real world in which we live, do we have any T2’s on >glucophage having a little wine with their evening meal and very much >alive to laugh about it or, as noted above, is it combination so >deadly that no one dare’s risk it? (If you are not alive I’d really >rather not hear about it.) >Any input GREATLY appreciated. Oh, I take 1000 to 1500mg daily. >quoting from http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/5.htm >Contraindicated in marked renal disease >Ninety percent of metformin is excreted unchanged by the kidneys and >lactic acidosis typically occurs in patients with renal >insufficiency.2 Significant renal impairment (serum creatinine >0.16 >mmol/L) is a contraindication to the use of metformin, and mild renal >disease increases the risk of lactic acidosis. >Metformin is also contraindicated in chronic hepatic disease because >of the increased risk of metformin-associated lactic acidosis. >Patients with diabetes frequently have abnormal liver function tests >secondary to fatty liver which in itself is not a contraindication. >Other contraindications include conditions associated with hypoxia >(e.g. recent myocardial infarction, cardiac failure, pulmonary disease >and surgery3) and alcoholism. >Not recommended in pre & post-operative period >Other risk factors for metformin-associated lactic acidosis include >sepsis, high dosage, increasing age, and dehydration.4 In situations >predisposing to dehydration such as fasting for surgery or contrast >radiography, metformin should be ceased at least 48 hours prior to the >procedure (or on admission for an emergency procedure), and not >restarted until the patient has fully recovered and is eating and >drinking normally. The glucose levels of patients in catabolic states, >e.g. sepsis or in the post-operative period, should be monitored. >Short-term insulin therapy is strongly advised.

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JIM I just saw your post unfortunately i drink a lot of wine as I make the damn stuff It is probably my downfall and might even be contributing to a lot of my problems. i am on 2 x Metformin 500mg per day I just figure that i am not giving up my last vice 8 or so years ago i stopped smoking. As a result of diagnosis some 12 or so months ago i gave up my last food vices. I refuse to give up the last thing i really enjoy. Well not just yet anyway I suffer little ill effects thru it and have lost a stone in weight in about 9 months…..tho could have done better had i really tried. Sounds like my school report card!!! There may be some who will say in the long term it will affect me, right now I care little frankly, as I have given up many things I dont drink to massive excess, tho maybe more than I should You know what is sensible and what is not, thru research on here……I know I do……keep it sensible and you will be fine Bri Snail

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just a brief "Thank you" to everyone for your input. It’s good having > others to bounce things off of so that I don’t have to make every > decision in isolation. My doc says a little wine is okay, but I still > like to double check on her advice. >I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about >mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able >to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because >we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly >serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? >One report I came across (below) seems to indicate that as long as I >have normal kidney and liver function that a little wine is highly >unlikely to cause these problems. >So, in the real world in which we live, do we have any T2’s on >glucophage having a little wine with their evening meal and very much >alive to laugh about it or, as noted above, is it combination so >deadly that no one dare’s risk it? (If you are not alive I’d really >rather not hear about it.) >Any input GREATLY appreciated. Oh, I take 1000 to 1500mg daily. >quoting from http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/5.htm >Contraindicated in marked renal disease >Ninety percent of metformin is excreted unchanged by the kidneys and >lactic acidosis typically occurs in patients with renal >insufficiency.2 Significant renal impairment (serum creatinine >0.16 >mmol/L) is a contraindication to the use of metformin, and mild renal >disease increases the risk of lactic acidosis. >Metformin is also contraindicated in chronic hepatic disease because >of the increased risk of metformin-associated lactic acidosis. >Patients with diabetes frequently have abnormal liver function tests >secondary to fatty liver which in itself is not a contraindication. >Other contraindications include conditions associated with hypoxia >(e.g. recent myocardial infarction, cardiac failure, pulmonary disease >and surgery3) and alcoholism. >Not recommended in pre & post-operative period >Other risk factors for metformin-associated lactic acidosis include >sepsis, high dosage, increasing age, and dehydration.4 In situations >predisposing to dehydration such as fasting for surgery or contrast >radiography, metformin should be ceased at least 48 hours prior to the >procedure (or on admission for an emergency procedure), and not >restarted until the patient has fully recovered and is eating and >drinking normally. The glucose levels of patients in catabolic states, >e.g. sepsis or in the post-operative period, should be monitored. >Short-term insulin therapy is strongly advised.

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> I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about > mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able > to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because > we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly > serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon?

<snip> My old Endo. told me not to drink. Not ever! So that’s what I did. But I’ve been seeing more and more studies showing that red wine is good for you, and some people had posted about finding lower morning fasting numbers when they had some wine before bed. Since high morning fastings are my problem, I decided to try it. I started with 1 oz. at a time. Upped it to 1 1/2 oz. and finally 2 oz. Got one lower number. Other than that, no change. I will probably have a little wine from time to time before bed. Probably not with dinner or with meals, unless I am using it to cook with. I haven’t asked my current Endo. about alcohol. But I do know that my bottle of Glucophage always has a sticker on it saying not to take alcohol with it. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Doc says a glass or two no problem. I woun’t tell him about the 7 martinies I had on the cruze ship. — Waro

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: Doc says a glass or two no problem. I woun’t tell him about the 7 martinies : I had on the cruze ship. : — : Waro I think that’s why they don’t want to sy "moderate" usage is ok on the label. One persn’s "moderate" is another’s excess. Wendy Baker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts > about mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin > and was not able to find any group discussions here on the > combination. Is this because we should take the warnings > regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly serious and no one > bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? > One report I came across (below) seems to indicate that as > long as I have normal kidney and liver function that a little > wine is highly unlikely to cause these problems. > So, in the real world in which we live, do we have any T2’s on > glucophage having a little wine with their evening meal and > very much alive to laugh about it or, as noted above, is it > combination so deadly that no one dare’s risk it? (If you are > not alive I’d really rather not hear about it.) > Any input GREATLY appreciated. Oh, I take 1000 to 1500mg > daily. > quoting from http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/5.htm > Contraindicated in marked renal disease > Ninety percent of metformin is excreted unchanged by the > kidneys and lactic acidosis typically occurs in patients with > renal insufficiency.2 Significant renal impairment (serum > creatinine >0.16 mmol/L) is a contraindication to the use of > metformin, and mild renal disease increases the risk of > lactic acidosis. > Metformin is also contraindicated in chronic hepatic disease > because of the increased risk of metformin-associated lactic > acidosis. Patients with diabetes frequently have abnormal > liver function tests secondary to fatty liver which in itself > is not a contraindication. Other contraindications include > conditions associated with hypoxia (e.g. recent myocardial > infarction, cardiac failure, pulmonary disease and surgery3) > and alcoholism. > Not recommended in pre & post-operative period > Other risk factors for metformin-associated lactic acidosis > include sepsis, high dosage, increasing age, and > dehydration.4 In situations predisposing to dehydration such > as fasting for surgery or contrast radiography, metformin > should be ceased at least 48 hours prior to the procedure (or > on admission for an emergency procedure), and not restarted > until the patient has fully recovered and is eating and > drinking normally. The glucose levels of patients in > catabolic states, e.g. sepsis or in the post-operative > period, should be monitored. Short-term insulin therapy is > strongly advised.

The 4 to 6 oz should not be a problem. Moderation is the key. The only warning I have seen or been given warned against excessive or binge drinking while taking Metformin. BJ

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about > mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able > to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because > we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly > serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? > The small amount of alcohol you’re talking about should be no problem. > Alcohol suppresses the liver’s ability to release glucose. Metformin >does the same thing, but with alcohol there’s a dose problem. You know >how many tablets you’re going to take, but how many ounces will you >drink? It could vary. > The concern is chiefly in insulin dependent diabetics who are more >likely to need a liver dump in the event of hypoglycemia. Lactic >acidosis is a concern when your kidneys aren’t working fully and become >unable to filter out enough lactic acid from your blood. > The typical type 2 isn’t as concerned as a type 1 about needing a liver >dump for recovering from hypos.

As a type 2 with good kidneys and liver no cholesterol to worry about on metfartin I can say from experience that two glasses of good red wine certainly do me good. It helps the meal along nicely and has no detremental effect that i can detect. Last week I deliberately tested my BG after a ‘good’ meal [little or no carb] and found my BG to be slightly lower than expected. Also, I rarely drink any alcohol now – a decision I made and stuck to long before being dx’d – but do occasionally go to the pub. I usualy only have a couple of lagers and loose interest. My BG’s have not been affected much. So what you say above seems to me to be spot on. Pete Pete – Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin

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> I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about > mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able > to find any group discussions here on the combination.

I take metformin and try to drink 4oz of red wine daily. The prohibition of met and alcohol is for people who have hepatic insufficiency, and are therefore more prone to lactic acidosis. For those who suffer from unexplained hypos, both met and alcohol turn down the liver’s ability to dump glusoce, so caution is in order. Jim — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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:> I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about :> mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able :> to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because :> we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly :> serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? : <snip> : My old Endo. told me not to drink. Not ever! So that’s what I did. But : I’ve been seeing more and more studies showing that red wine is good for : you, and some people had posted about finding lower morning fasting numbers : when they had some wine before bed. Since high morning fastings are my : problem, I decided to try it. I started with 1 oz. at a time. Upped it to : 1 1/2 oz. and finally 2 oz. Got one lower number. Other than that, no : change. I will probably have a little wine from time to time before bed. : Probably not with dinner or with meals, unless I am using it to cook with. : I haven’t asked my current Endo. about alcohol. But I do know that my : bottle of Glucophage always has a sticker on it saying not to take alcohol : with it. : — : Type 2 : http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ I talked to my endo about just this situation at my last visit. I wanted to have say a glass of wine a few times a week, partly because I enjoy it and partly because I had red that it helped raise HDL’s . He said, the most common problem with metformin and wine is getting a flushed face. He suggested I try a half glass some time before I took my metformin. I did and no flushed face. When I take it at the same meal as the metformin (dinner) I once had the flushed face and have not had it since. He said that a glass is o problem, but they don’t want to recommend "moderate" intake, as one person’s moderate is another person’s heavy drinking. It is a problem if there is kidney trouble, but then so is metformin. I spoke to my endo aftre I had received similar advice from my pharmacist, but more general. Wendy Baker

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The small amount of alcohol you’re talking about should be no problem. Alcohol suppresses the liver’s ability to release glucose. Metformin does the same thing, but with alcohol there’s a dose problem. You know how many tablets you’re going to take, but how many ounces will you drink? It could vary. The concern is chiefly in insulin dependent diabetics who are more likely to need a liver dump in the event of hypoglycemia. Lactic acidosis is a concern when your kidneys aren’t working fully and become unable to filter out enough lactic acid from your blood. The typical type 2 isn’t as concerned as a type 1 about needing a liver dump for recovering from hypos. E

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Since the metformin works by effecting how your liver processes things, and your liver is what processes the alcohol, it probably isn’t a good idea. The warnings are there because during the trials, there were problems. Not a risk I would decide to take. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about > mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able > to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because > we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly > serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? > One report I came across (below) seems to indicate that as long as I > have normal kidney and liver function that a little wine is highly > unlikely to cause these problems. > So, in the real world in which we live, do we have any T2’s on > glucophage having a little wine with their evening meal and very much > alive to laugh about it or, as noted above, is it combination so > deadly that no one dare’s risk it? (If you are not alive I’d really > rather not hear about it.) > Any input GREATLY appreciated. Oh, I take 1000 to 1500mg daily. > quoting from http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/5.htm > Contraindicated in marked renal disease > Ninety percent of metformin is excreted unchanged by the kidneys and > lactic acidosis typically occurs in patients with renal > insufficiency.2 Significant renal impairment (serum creatinine >0.16 > mmol/L) is a contraindication to the use of metformin, and mild renal > disease increases the risk of lactic acidosis. > Metformin is also contraindicated in chronic hepatic disease because > of the increased risk of metformin-associated lactic acidosis. > Patients with diabetes frequently have abnormal liver function tests > secondary to fatty liver which in itself is not a contraindication. > Other contraindications include conditions associated with hypoxia > (e.g. recent myocardial infarction, cardiac failure, pulmonary disease > and surgery3) and alcoholism. > Not recommended in pre & post-operative period > Other risk factors for metformin-associated lactic acidosis include > sepsis, high dosage, increasing age, and dehydration.4 In situations > predisposing to dehydration such as fasting for surgery or contrast > radiography, metformin should be ceased at least 48 hours prior to the > procedure (or on admission for an emergency procedure), and not > restarted until the patient has fully recovered and is eating and > drinking normally. The glucose levels of patients in catabolic states, > e.g. sepsis or in the post-operative period, should be monitored. > Short-term insulin therapy is strongly advised.

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I’ve just spent about an hour using Google to find old posts about mixing a little wine (4 to 6 ounces) with metformin and was not able to find any group discussions here on the combination. Is this because we should take the warnings regarding lactic acidosis as being deadly serious and no one bends the rules? Or, I stopped searching too soon? One report I came across (below) seems to indicate that as long as I have normal kidney and liver function that a little wine is highly unlikely to cause these problems. So, in the real world in which we live, do we have any T2’s on glucophage having a little wine with their evening meal and very much alive to laugh about it or, as noted above, is it combination so deadly that no one dare’s risk it? (If you are not alive I’d really rather not hear about it.) Any input GREATLY appreciated. Oh, I take 1000 to 1500mg daily. quoting from http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/5.htm Contraindicated in marked renal disease Ninety percent of metformin is excreted unchanged by the kidneys and lactic acidosis typically occurs in patients with renal insufficiency.2 Significant renal impairment (serum creatinine >0.16 mmol/L) is a contraindication to the use of metformin, and mild renal disease increases the risk of lactic acidosis. Metformin is also contraindicated in chronic hepatic disease because of the increased risk of metformin-associated lactic acidosis. Patients with diabetes frequently have abnormal liver function tests secondary to fatty liver which in itself is not a contraindication. Other contraindications include conditions associated with hypoxia (e.g. recent myocardial infarction, cardiac failure, pulmonary disease and surgery3) and alcoholism. Not recommended in pre & post-operative period Other risk factors for metformin-associated lactic acidosis include sepsis, high dosage, increasing age, and dehydration.4 In situations predisposing to dehydration such as fasting for surgery or contrast radiography, metformin should be ceased at least 48 hours prior to the procedure (or on admission for an emergency procedure), and not restarted until the patient has fully recovered and is eating and drinking normally. The glucose levels of patients in catabolic states, e.g. sepsis or in the post-operative period, should be monitored. Short-term insulin therapy is strongly advised.

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Hm. This is interesting…

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I’ve been checking my BG before and after eating to see what effect difffernet foods have. So far I’ve determined that processed cereals like corn flakes are right out; rice doesn’t seem to cause me the BG problems other people have reported; and fruits vegetables are fine. So’s chocolate, in considerable moderation. But tonight… Tonight I had a (large) bowl of lentil porridge, and a slice of oatmeal creme brulee (a sort of pudding/ cake made with oatmeal, eggs, and milk). Before eating my BG was 108. One hour after eating it was 121. Two hours after eating it was 110. This is the smallest raise I’ve ever measured. I wonder if I’ve stumbled onto something, or if it was just a fluke. I’m CERTAINLY going to have to try THIS again. Maybe tomorrow. FW

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It’s always been about whole grains, FW. Whole foods, for that matter. I’ve been Type 1 for over thirty years and I know that when I eat whole grains I need far less than insulin than when I eat white flour, corn or white rice cereals. You consumed oats and lentils. Both excellent choices for slow and steady impact. Leighwit

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The lentils have a lot of fiber and that may be the reason for the great readings, If it works for you, it works for you. everyone is different. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> a slice of oatmeal creme brulee (a sort of pudding/ > cake made with oatmeal, eggs, and milk).

How do you make this? Sounds interesting. bj

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Ok, Frank…Give it…the recipe for oatmeal creme brulee! Memory

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>Ok, Frank…Give it…the recipe for oatmeal creme brulee!

Memory Sure, happy to! 2 cups quick oats or 2 1/4 cups old fashioned oats, uncooked 1/3 cup sugar 1/4 teas. salt (or less, per taste) 3 1/3 cups milk (low or non fat) 2 eggs or 1/2 cup egg substitute, lightly beaten 2 teas. vanilla Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Grease an 8 inch square glass baking dish (or coat with cooking spray) In large bowl, add together oats, sugar, and salt. In another bowl combine milk, eggs, and vanilla and mix well. Pour into oat mixture and stir together thoroughly. Pour into baking dish and bake for 40 to 50 minutes or until knife inserted in center comes out clean. (You can stop at this point, or – for extra punch – sprinkle 1/3 cup brown sugar on top of the cooked brulee, return to the oven until it just melts (2-3 minutes), then set the oven to broil and cook three inches from the heat until the sugar just starts to bubble (1-2 minutes) for a crunchy topping. I skip this step because it’s extra work, and I don’t need the sugar, and it makes the brulee too sticky for finger food. ^_^) Eight servings per dish; 200 calaories, 3 grams fat, 8 grams protein, 36 grams carbohydrate per serving. It’s rather tasty! ^_^ I sometimes toss some raisens and/or chopped walnuts in the mix, too, for a bit of variety… FW

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:> :>Ok, Frank…Give it…the recipe for oatmeal creme brulee! : Memory : Sure, happy to! : 2 cups quick oats or 2 1/4 cups old fashioned oats, uncooked : 1/3 cup sugar : 1/4 teas. salt (or less, per taste) : 3 1/3 cups milk (low or non fat) : 2 eggs or 1/2 cup egg substitute, lightly beaten : 2 teas. vanilla : : (You can stop at this point, or – for extra punch – sprinkle : 1/3 cup brown sugar on top of the cooked brulee, return to : the oven until it just melts (2-3 minutes), then set the oven : to broil and cook three inches from the heat until the sugar : just starts to bubble (1-2 minutes) for a crunchy topping. : I skip this step because it’s extra work, and I don’t need : the sugar, and it makes the brulee too sticky for finger : food. ^_^) : Eight servings per dish; 200 calaories, 3 grams fat, 8 : grams protein, 36 grams carbohydrate per serving. OK, for many of us that 36 grams of carbo is more than a meal’s worth How about for starters, using Splenda in place of the sugar and skipping the sugary top? At 4.2 carbs a teaspoon, that 1/3 cup=16 teaspoons, you could save over 65 grams of carbo here alone. Per portion that is a savings of over 8 grams. there is fake brown sugar available, made by Sugar Twin in the US and Canada. The Canadian is better tasting because it is made with cyclamates, rather than the saccharine in the US variety. There is also sugar free "maple" syrup you could pour over this in place of the topping. I don’t know how this would taste, but I would also decrease the milk, use a part fat milk, say 2% for half the milk and use water for the rest. You could also use unsweetened soya milk and increase the artificial sweetener. This comes in a 5 grs a cup,rather than 11.8 for the cows milk, saving about 20 grams , or another 2 1/2 grams per serving. These changes would make a large difference in the carbo content of this dish. This is what I do with recipes. It still would be a 26 gram of carbo food, being my entire breakfast carbo amount, so I woudl have this with only black decaf to make my meal. I don’t know if it woudl satisfy me or not. I could, of course, take a piece of cheese or meat with this to fill out the meal. These two changes would not appreciably change the taste or texture of the burlee(without the topping which gives it its name), so are quite simple to do. Wendy Baker

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The Oatmeal Creme Brulee sounds fantastic but is too high carb for me so I reworked it using Splenda and whole milk. The Splenda box says each teaspoon has less than 1 calorie and less than 1 gm carb. Since I don’t know what the actual number is, I figured it as 1 calorie and 1 gm carb per teaspoon so the carb count per serving would be the max. The results per serving: 160 calories 6 gms fat 20.4 gms carb 2 gms fiber 21.3 gms protein Using 1/2 and 1/2 or cream instead of whole milk would lower the carb count but increase the calorie and fat amount. Skim milk would lower the calorie count and increase the carb count a little. Frank, thanks so much for the recipe! Sugar caramelized on top sounds wonderful. If you sprinkled 2 teaspoons real sugar on top to caramelize, it would add 1 gm carb and about 4 calories per serving. Raisins wouldn’t do for me – way too high carb but cinnamon would be good, I think. — Posted via Active Low-Carber Forums, for Low-Carb & Atkins Diet Support http://forum.lowcarber.org & http://www.lowcarb.ca

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– http://www.diabetes.org Sushi-Boy Dx’d January 27, 2003

: I’ve been checking my BG before and after eating to : see what effect difffernet foods have. So far I’ve : determined that processed cereals like corn flakes : are right out; rice doesn’t seem to cause me the : BG problems other people have reported; and fruits : vegetables are fine. So’s chocolate, in considerable : moderation. But tonight… : : Tonight I had a (large) bowl of lentil porridge, and : a slice of oatmeal creme brulee (a sort of pudding/ : cake made with oatmeal, eggs, and milk). Before : eating my BG was 108. : : One hour after eating it was 121. : : Two hours after eating it was 110. : : This is the smallest raise I’ve ever measured. I wonder : if I’ve stumbled onto something, or if it was just a : fluke. I’m CERTAINLY going to have to try THIS again. : : Maybe tomorrow. : : FW : I think during this post you have come to a point where i have been for the past month or so. I now know the meter will let me eat enough food with out spiking that im having a hard time losing weight. due to the increase in the size of my meals its hard even for me to prevent gaining the weight back. I hope that didn’t happen to you too. I must not introduce exercise to the fight the hardest part is just getting started. learn the different ways to cook rice to make it lower glycemic. you might want to try adding some whole grains they are supposed to increase your insulin efficiency. all of the above is jmho — http://www.diabetes.org Sushi-Boy Dx’d January 27, 2003

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