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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes >> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study >> proving that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to >> smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other >> influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it >> works, >> because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch >> and the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced >> the >> number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 >> cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely >> reassemble my >> old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, >> swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back >> together). >> Cosmin > I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out. That was > until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified > that their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, > exercise, and everything we told them they needed to do, but often could > *not* stop > smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction > cigarette smoking is – wow! > Natalie > <snip> > The company I used to work for made medical devices.  It had as a > consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation > in his field.  He was a heavy smoker.  When I got to know him well > enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His > answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was > about to get cancer, and then quit.  I was certain he knew that there > is no such test, and I didn’t pursue the matter.  Addicts > rationalize. > Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology – > the treatment of cancers by surgery.  In a session on lung cancer, > with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs – some > postmortem – several people were smoking! > Ask a smoker if he is addicted.  Most will deny it.

If the world renown "Body Worlds" exhibit comes to your city, go see it.  I visited the exhibit in Los Angles about 2 months ago.  There is on display some preserved human lungs from healthy and from diseased persons.  If that doesn’t get to the smoker …. then he/she must face the fact that they are a full blown addict to nicotine. http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/Weingart/BodyWorlds/B… —    ~Philip.

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>> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > I’m not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine > exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in > carcinogens.

Keep in mind that in Italy as in the rest of civilized Europe, diesel fuel is nearly sulfur free (15 parts per billion) compared to America and especially Canada. Also, diesel cars "over there" have much cleaner pollution control that light duty pickup trucks here.  Context. —    ~Philip.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have >very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving >that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, >because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. >That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because >not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the >chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number >of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes >in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old >Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm >and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). >Cosmin > I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was > until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that > their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and > everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop > smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette > smoking is – wow! > Natalie

<snip> The company I used to work for made medical devices.  It had as a consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation in his field.  He was a heavy smoker.  When I got to know him well enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk.  His answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then quit.  I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn’t pursue the matter.  Addicts rationalize. Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology – the treatment of cancers by surgery.  In a session on lung cancer, with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs – some postmortem – several people were smoking! Ask a smoker if he is addicted.  Most will deny it.

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>> And exactly what does this have to do with Acura > Phillip, you multiposted to other NGs and now P.O.ed  the rich Acura > group.  Not to fear for I have corrected your error.

NOT an error, deil ol chap.  LOL  "The rich Acura group."   ROFLOL.

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> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater > than diesel car exhaust.

I’m not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in carcinogens. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational > message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most > dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels > indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and > lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car > exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where > there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo > diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors > closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled > with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up > sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times > higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by > e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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[snip] > My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method, > patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and > then Zyban.   > Zyban was amazingly effective for him.  After the second day on the > product he couldn’t even light up it made him feel so ill.  He was so > happy that he’d finally found something that worked. > It did have some "minor" side effects,  he couldn’t sleep, felt > jittery & he had tremors.  He was on Zyban for about 2 months before > he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family).    A doctor > had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

[snip] I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It has horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble. Cosmin

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There’s only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other > influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it > works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to > quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin

I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn’t keep the damn thing lit!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have >> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving >> that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, >> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. >> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because >> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the >> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number >> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes >> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old >> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm >> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). >> Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie >Sorry to hear that.  I tried filters, patches, training programs, but >none worked for me.  One day, it came down to that I couldn’t afford >college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit.  I said I had to quit >and I did.  I promised myself I would start back up when I could >afford it, but that was 10+ years ago.  Now with a mortgage and a >child, I"m guessing I’ll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the >smell now and then. >Everyone who says they can’t just doesn’t want to.   >imho,

A different take to help put things in perspective.   My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method, patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and then Zyban.   Zyban was amazingly effective for him.  After the second day on the product he couldn’t even light up it made him feel so ill.  He was so happy that he’d finally found something that worked. It did have some "minor" side effects,  he couldn’t sleep, felt jittery & he had tremors.  He was on Zyban for about 2 months before he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family).    A doctor had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose. Then there’s my wife’s aunt. She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75. she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is still alive, active and doing fine.  However neither one of them is or were overweight. Tobacco is not healthy.  But for some trying to quit may be too much. I smoked for a year & then quit.  But it was easy for me.  Not so for others. Using that stat posted in the article I think that it’s high time that we get the good Diesels here in North America.  Including the new 2005 GTi Turbo Diesel.  Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast Turbo Diesel’s.   More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !

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1)    Did this woman lose too much too quickly? 2)    My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have refused to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds. DAS — For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling —

[...] > to live.  I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 > pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body > reacted as though it were starving!  She became psychotic and very ill. > She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her > sanity.  Isn’t that [...] > (She lives in Massachusetts) she’d ask if I’d buy her cigarettes either in > NH (They’re quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA. > I told her that while I know she won’t stop smoking because I refuse to > buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because > that

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. > That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because > not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie

Yup, nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin addiction. If anyone is interested in this, check out the chapter "Nicotine as an addicting drug" http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/CU25.html from "The Consumers Union Report  - Licit and Illicit Drugs" http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm —  /"  Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English)   /  http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si"   X   ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings.  /  I’m a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread.

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And exactly what does this have to do with Acura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >Ivanhoe Newswire >www.ivanhoe.com >September 1, 2004 >Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater >than diesel car exhaust. >Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >message against tobacco use for adolescents. >Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car >exhausts. >The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where >there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo >diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors >closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled >with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >higher than those measured outdoors. >This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable > educational message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the > most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, > levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine > models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter > emissions from car exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain > town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air > pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in > the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for > four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter > cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for > another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels > 15-times higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts > by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221 > "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain > town" > Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control. > Now I got a tell ya., I don’t smoke, but these so called reports > brought to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so > obvious that it makes one laugh.

The ‘report’ makes a great spoon to stir the soup. Some tasted it!  LOL —    ~Philip.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think it’s a lot like other addictions, such as food – some people > haven’t > been able to lose weight by any methods, which is tougher because you > don’t > need cigarettes to survive (just the opposite, of course), but you need > food > to live.  I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 > pounds. > She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body reacted > as > though it were starving!  She became psychotic and very ill.  She ended up > gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her sanity.  Isn’t that > nuts?!  For smokers, they see others lighting up, which is even more > powerful > than an obese person walking by a restaurant and resisting the temptation > to > chow down.  Personally, I usually was slightly overweight, but not > morbidly > so.  Then my blood pressure went up, which woke me up to the reality that > my > heart was being affected.  I decided I’d rather not be a sick old lady > some > day (I’m now 46), so I had to drop the weight and get in shape.  I > exercise > no less than 30 minutes every single day, and have never regretted it. > On cold days I walk at our mall.  I spoke with a lady one morning who > has diabetes.  She told me that she started a vigorous walking regime > some time ago and after a while she was able to shed ALL of her > medications.  One more reason for exercise.

Amen! Natalie

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> I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal, >while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking.  Seems >to me they are both bad for health. > Yeah, but when you’re as desperate as my friend Mick – who has been > known to snort a line of salt from the edge of the bar – then a joint > is not such a bad thing. > — > Dan Drake

Gawd, that reminds me of that scene from Cheech and Chong’s ‘Up In Smoke’ when that whacked-out chick snorted cleaning powder (I think it was Ajax cleanser). Natalie

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> I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal, >while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking.  Seems >to me they are both bad for health.

Yeah, but when you’re as desperate as my friend Mick – who has been known to snort a line of salt from the edge of the bar – then a joint is not such a bad thing. — Dan Drake

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was > until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that > their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and > everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop > smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette > smoking is – wow! > Natalie > I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal, > while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking.  Seems > to me they are both bad for health.

They are, but like so many things, money is a factor.  Most people can’t or wouldn’t grow their own tobacco, but they’d certainly grow their own weed. The government would have a very hard time taxing and overseeing such a plant. > I had a chance to sit in a 04 Camry today.  It’s a really nice > automobile. > —

How dare you talk about cars!  What do you think these are, car newsgroups?! Oh yeah. Natalie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. >> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have >> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving >> that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, >> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other >> influences. >> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, >> because >> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. >> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and >> the >> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number >> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 >> cigarettes >> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old >> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm >> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). >> Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie > Sorry to hear that.  I tried filters, patches, training programs, but > none worked for me.  One day, it came down to that I couldn’t afford > college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit.  I said I had to quit > and I did.  I promised myself I would start back up when I could > afford it, but that was 10+ years ago.  Now with a mortgage and a > child, I"m guessing I’ll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the > smell now and then. > Everyone who says they can’t just doesn’t want to. > imho,

I think it’s a lot like other addictions, such as food – some people haven’t been able to lose weight by any methods, which is tougher because you don’t need cigarettes to survive (just the opposite, of course), but you need food to live.  I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body reacted as though it were starving!  She became psychotic and very ill.  She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her sanity.  Isn’t that nuts?!  For smokers, they see others lighting up, which is even more powerful than an obese person walking by a restaurant and resisting the temptation to chow down.  Personally, I usually was slightly overweight, but not morbidly so.  Then my blood pressure went up, which woke me up to the reality that my heart was being affected.  I decided I’d rather not be a sick old lady some day (I’m now 46), so I had to drop the weight and get in shape.  I exercise no less than 30 minutes every single day, and have never regretted it. By the way, the bargain that you made for your body should be reneged. Please believe me when I say you’ll be so much more healthy without cigarettes.  What people don’t realize is that while lung cancer is relatively rare (I’ve only seen a handful of cases in 28 years), smoking does a lot of damage in other ways, such as COPD (emphysema – folks on home oxygen because their lungs have shriveled and hardened to the point of no elasticity), not to mention heart attacks and strokes.  Plus they’re very expensive!  My mother-in-law, a Nazi death camp survivor smokes (I can’t say I blame her after what she went through), and while we lived in New Hampshire (She lives in Massachusetts) she’d ask if I’d buy her cigarettes either in NH (They’re quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA.  I told her that while I know she won’t stop smoking because I refuse to buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because that would be like handing a syringe to a heroin addict.  I can’t be a party to her slow suicide.  My husband used to get them for her, and I didn’t chastise him for it, because I knew he just wanted to do what he can to help his mom be content.  I just couldn’t do it myself, and she (thankfully) understands that.  But she’s so awesome anyway, she’d naturally not cop an attitude.  The woman’s incredible, and I wish she could stop so we could have her on this planet longer. Natalie, former food junkie – or is that junk-food junkie?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. > That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because > not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin >I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was >until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that >their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and >everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop >smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette >smoking is – wow! >Natalie

Sorry to hear that.  I tried filters, patches, training programs, but none worked for me.  One day, it came down to that I couldn’t afford college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit.  I said I had to quit and I did.  I promised myself I would start back up when I could afford it, but that was 10+ years ago.  Now with a mortgage and a child, I"m guessing I’ll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the smell now and then. Everyone who says they can’t just doesn’t want to.   imho, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >> Ivanhoe Newswire >> www.ivanhoe.com >> September 1, 2004 >> Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times >> greater than diesel car exhaust. >> Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >> message against tobacco use for adolescents. >> Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >> dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >> indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >> lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from >> car exhausts. >> The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town >> where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A >> turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the >> doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was >> fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >> sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >> Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >> particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >> The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >> higher than those measured outdoors. >> This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >> e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >> http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >> SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >>Ivanhoe Newswire >>www.ivanhoe.com >>September 1, 2004 >>Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times >>greater than diesel car exhaust. >>Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >>message against tobacco use for adolescents. >>Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >>dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >>indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >>lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from >>car exhausts. >>The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town >>where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A >>turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the >>doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was >>fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >>sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >>Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >>particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >>The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >>higher than those measured outdoors. >>This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >>e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >>http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >>SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221 > "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town" > Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control. > Now I got a tell ya., I don’t smoke, but these so called reports brought > to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so obvious that it makes > one laugh. > Coming up next… > Terrorism, wars, whacko jacko, the Bush’er, the folks > at Enron, and Martha Stewart… ALL caused by tobacco.

ROFL! Natalie, never-a-smoker

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have > very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving > that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, > because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. > That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because > not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the > chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number > of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes > in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old > Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm > and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). > Cosmin

I used to think smokers who couldn’t quit were just copping out.  That was until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic!  Those women would be terrified that their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop smoking.  It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette smoking is – wow! Natalie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational > message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most > dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels > indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and > lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from > car exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town > where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A > turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the > doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was > fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up > sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times > higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by > e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars >Ivanhoe Newswire >www.ivanhoe.com >September 1, 2004 >Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater >than diesel car exhaust. >Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational >message against tobacco use for adolescents. >Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most >dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels >indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and >lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car >exhausts. >The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where >there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo >diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors >closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled >with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up >sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. >Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the >particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. >The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times >higher than those measured outdoors. >This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by >e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: >http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. >SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221 > "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town" > Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control. > Now I got a tell ya., I don’t smoke, but these so called reports brought > to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so obvious that it makes > one laugh.

Coming up next… Terrorism, wars, whacko jacko, the Bush’er, the folks at Enron, and Martha Stewart… ALL caused by tobacco.

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Hope peer pressure does not lead to teenage girls leaving lipstick marks on the exhaust pipe of their VW Cabriolet TDI’s. —    ~Philip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. > The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes > have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study > proving that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to > smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and > other influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and > I hope it works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than > trying to quit. > I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and > the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the > number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 > cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely > reassemble my old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, > front end, swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything > back together). > Cosmin > Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times > greater than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable > educational message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the > most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, > levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine > models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter > emissions from car exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain > town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air > pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in > the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for > four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter > cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for > another 30 minutes. Results of the experiment show the diesel engine > exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels > 15-times higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts > by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving that won’t help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit. I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together). Cosmin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars > Ivanhoe Newswire > www.ivanhoe.com > September 1, 2004 > Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater > than diesel car exhaust. > Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational > message against tobacco use for adolescents. > Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most > dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels > indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and > lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car > exhausts. > The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where > there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo > diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors > closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled > with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up > sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. > Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the > particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. > The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times > higher than those measured outdoors. > This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by > e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: > http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. > SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars Ivanhoe Newswire www.ivanhoe.com September 1, 2004 Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater than diesel car exhaust. Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational message against tobacco use for adolescents. Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car exhausts. The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes. Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak. The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times higher than those measured outdoors. This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/. SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221

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