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I just had the scare of my life. I had ridden my bike to work; it

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Jay, You can’t even do a link properly! Give it up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Study Shows Which Men at Highest Heart Risk >Tuesday, July 15, 2003 >Washington (Reuters) – Researchers in Scotland said on >Monday they can tell who has the highest risk of heart >disease and diabetes based on three of five measurements >of obesity, cholesterol, blood pressure and glucose. >They said the tests might offer an easier way to tell >which men are most in danger and most in need of drugs, >weight loss and exercise. >The five measurements are used to define metabolic >syndrome, or "syndrome x." They are a measurement of >unhealthy fat, usually done with a simple waist >circumference check, high triglycerides — a component of >cholesterol — low levels of HDL or "good" cholesterol, >high glucose and high blood pressure. >Dr. Naveed Sattar of the Glasgow Royal Infirmary in >Scotland and colleagues looked at data from 6,447 men >taking part in a larger study of heart disease in the >Glasgow area. >

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I’ve also traveled quite a bit between the US and Europe.  I’ve never had any problems getting my medications through.  (insulin, syringes, meter, etc.)  The hardest time I ever had was going to Las Vegas soon after 911. There were a couple of people who did not want to let me board the plane with my syringes.  (everything was in such turmoil at that time)  But, after explaining I was diabetic, and them asking a supervisor, I had no problems. The note from your father’s doctor should be sufficient if he encounters any questions. Steph

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just returned to the US from an extended trip to Europe (three > months in length).  I use a pump now, but had insulin, infusion sets, > and syringes with me. > I encountered no problems in crossing into or out of the US.  The pump > did set off alarms leaving the US (metal detectors were apparently > particularly sensitive in the days immediately after the Iraq conflict > began), but when I explained the equipment, there were no problems. > Diabetes is (unfortunately) an illness that is well-known both in the > US and Germany.  The fact that your father is traveling with syringes, > insulin (and, no doubt, a glucose meter, test strips and other items) > is by no means a situation that is unique to your family. > The comments made in another response to your inquiry are > accurate–what is now recommended is that diabetics bring the original > medication with prescription label attached.  No one asked to see, or > examined, any of the boxes or prescriptions that I brought with me. > Best wishes to you . . . >I’m not sure if I am in the right group for this question, but here it >goes: >My Dad will be traveling from Germany to the US soon and he’ll have to >take his diabetic supplies (e.g. syringes prefilled with insulin) with >him.  His doctor will write him a statement saying that he’s a >diabetic and that it’s necessary for him to carry those supplies, but >the statement will be in German. >Now they have asked me to send them an English statement that >essentially says that he’s a diabetic and that he has to carry these >supplies.  (He does not have the German statement, yet or else I would >have just translated it, but I guess he was trying to save himself one >trip to the Doctor..) >I was wondering if there is some standard statement that Doctors in >the US use to give to patients who are traveling by air.  I’d rather >use it instead of writing something for him myself. >Thanks in advance >Elsie

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I’m not sure if I am in the right group for this question, but here it goes: My Dad will be traveling from Germany to the US soon and he’ll have to take his diabetic supplies (e.g. syringes prefilled with insulin) with him.  His doctor will write him a statement saying that he’s a diabetic and that it’s necessary for him to carry those supplies, but the statement will be in German. Now they have asked me to send them an English statement that essentially says that he’s a diabetic and that he has to carry these supplies.  (He does not have the German statement, yet or else I would have just translated it, but I guess he was trying to save himself one trip to the Doctor..) I was wondering if there is some standard statement that Doctors in the US use to give to patients who are traveling by air.  I’d rather use it instead of writing something for him myself. Thanks in advance Elsie

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he needs  his insulin in the  original box with the pharmacy labels on it same with the syringes the Dr letter is too easy to fake, so it’s not recognised hth — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m not sure if I am in the right group for this question, but here it > goes: > My Dad will be traveling from Germany to the US soon and he’ll have to > take his diabetic supplies (e.g. syringes prefilled with insulin) with > him.  His doctor will write him a statement saying that he’s a > diabetic and that it’s necessary for him to carry those supplies, but > the statement will be in German. > Now they have asked me to send them an English statement that > essentially says that he’s a diabetic and that he has to carry these > supplies.  (He does not have the German statement, yet or else I would > have just translated it, but I guess he was trying to save himself one > trip to the Doctor..) > I was wondering if there is some standard statement that Doctors in > the US use to give to patients who are traveling by air.  I’d rather > use it instead of writing something for him myself. > Thanks in advance > Elsie

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> he needs  his insulin in the  original box with the pharmacy labels on it > same with the syringes > the Dr letter is too easy to fake, so it’s not recognised > hth > — > Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet > /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk > More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

I wonder what to do if one purchases insulin over the counter –  without Pharmacy labels for non prescription insulins.  I may be flying soon as well and I should find out all the details too I guess.  "I would not want to be detained for carrying supplies I need and I don’t wanna be strip searched because, I’m outta shape."   lol. Mark hence the name of the disease because we die as it beats-us. a cure is the only way.

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> I wonder what to do if one purchases insulin over the counter –  without > Pharmacy labels for non prescription insulins.  I may be flying soon as well > and I should find out all the details too I guess.  "I would not want to be > detained for carrying supplies I need and I don’t wanna be strip searched > because, I’m outta shape."   lol. > Mark

well……. go read what the various airlines and airports require…… good luck

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> wonder what to do if one purchases insulin over the counter –  without >Pharmacy labels for non prescription insulins.

Try this web site, or your local airport site for more… I recently traveled with my supplies.  I told the screeners I had diabetic supplies in my carry-on.  They didn’t even open it.  Just scanned it and let me through.  Now ask my hubby about his metal belt buckle and he’ll tell ya a different story!  LOL www.tsatraveltips.us Its the Transportation Security Administrations web site Hope this helps! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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I just returned to the US from an extended trip to Europe (three months in length).  I use a pump now, but had insulin, infusion sets, and syringes with me. I encountered no problems in crossing into or out of the US.  The pump did set off alarms leaving the US (metal detectors were apparently particularly sensitive in the days immediately after the Iraq conflict began), but when I explained the equipment, there were no problems. Diabetes is (unfortunately) an illness that is well-known both in the US and Germany.  The fact that your father is traveling with syringes, insulin (and, no doubt, a glucose meter, test strips and other items) is by no means a situation that is unique to your family.   The comments made in another response to your inquiry are accurate–what is now recommended is that diabetics bring the original medication with prescription label attached.  No one asked to see, or examined, any of the boxes or prescriptions that I brought with me. Best wishes to you . . . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not sure if I am in the right group for this question, but here it >goes: >My Dad will be traveling from Germany to the US soon and he’ll have to >take his diabetic supplies (e.g. syringes prefilled with insulin) with >him.  His doctor will write him a statement saying that he’s a >diabetic and that it’s necessary for him to carry those supplies, but >the statement will be in German. >Now they have asked me to send them an English statement that >essentially says that he’s a diabetic and that he has to carry these >supplies.  (He does not have the German statement, yet or else I would >have just translated it, but I guess he was trying to save himself one >trip to the Doctor..) >I was wondering if there is some standard statement that Doctors in >the US use to give to patients who are traveling by air.  I’d rather >use it instead of writing something for him myself. >Thanks in advance >Elsie

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Hello all, I haven’t post for awhile since I’m pretty lucky to be able to control my BG level during the day. My problem is in the morning…My fasting result are always high (around 8.0mml) so the reading 2 hrs after breakfast. My  numbers for the last 30 days  are: HIGHEST 9.7 MEAN 6.6 LOWEST 2.8 No medication, and 30mn walk 7 days a week How can I bring this stupid morning result, sleepwalking ?  ;-) Thanks , thanks and thanks again Richard, your prefered Frenchman

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Richard, for some having a small snack before bed will stop the dawn phenomena try a piece of cheese and a couple of crackers……. or 1/2 a peanut butter sandwich,  or a wasa cracker with some smoked sausage on it the idea, is protein/small amount of carb mix before bed good luck with your test kate — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello all, I haven’t post for awhile since I’m pretty lucky to be able to > control my BG level during the day. > My problem is in the morning…My fasting result are always high (around > 8.0mml) so the reading 2 hrs after breakfast. > My  numbers for the last 30 days  are: > HIGHEST 9.7 > MEAN 6.6 > LOWEST 2.8 > No medication, and 30mn walk 7 days a week > How can I bring this stupid morning result, sleepwalking ?  ;-) > Thanks , thanks and thanks again > Richard, your prefered Frenchman

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Thanks Kate but unfortunaly that doesn’t seems to work.I’m having 4 melba toast with a bit of strawberry jam (sugar free)and margarine, + a small glass of milk at around 1 am, my fasting result are taken at 9 am. I’ll see with my dietetician and with my Vet  next month !!! will see what they will have to say.. Thanks and happy summer Richard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Richard, for some having a small snack before bed will stop the dawn > phenomena > try a piece of cheese and a couple of crackers……. or 1/2 a peanut butter > sandwich,  or a wasa cracker with some smoked sausage on it > the idea, is protein/small amount of carb mix before bed > good luck with your test > kate > — > Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet > /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk > More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ > Hello all, I haven’t post for awhile since I’m pretty lucky to be able to > control my BG level during the day. > My problem is in the morning…My fasting result are always high (around > 8.0mml) so the reading 2 hrs after breakfast. > My  numbers for the last 30 days  are: > HIGHEST 9.7 > MEAN 6.6 > LOWEST 2.8 > No medication, and 30mn walk 7 days a week > How can I bring this stupid morning result, sleepwalking ?  ;-) > Thanks , thanks and thanks again > Richard, your prefered Frenchman

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>I wonder why that happenned ? I’m a T2 and I’M not supposed to have episode >of hypo, am I right ? >That never happenned since. >At that time I did not know what to do, I was "trained " at looking at the >high numbers only !!! >Can a T2 be in hypo territories ? >Richard

Richard,   I’m a t2 and I have LOTS of hypos, some severe.  Yes, a t2 can have hypos.. Linda Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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> Can a T2 be in hypo territories ?

Sure they can.  Most doctors still prescribe insulin boosting medication for type twos and anyone who is on such medication *always* has to be on guard for hypos. Newer medications lower insulin resistance instead of boosting the secretion of insulin by the pancreas.  Hypos are less frequent among poeple on these medications, but not completely absent. For instance my meds currently are Metformin and Actos.  Both lower insulin reistance but do not cause increased insulin secretion.  Two days ago I went for a 3 mile walk after a moderately ample dinner.  Got back and felt like I’d hit a wall about 10 minutes before ariving home.   Checked my glucose levels and I was at 3.9.  I have been as low as 2.9 after vigerous exercise sessions, and I am not on insulin or any medication to boost my insulin levels. For that matter there are lots of people who get hypos without having diabetes at all.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope you were paying attention to how you were feeling when you hit > that low, so you can recognize the feeling if it happens again. > Sleepy > Yes I will remember !! > I wonder why that happenned ? I’m a T2 and I’M not supposed to have episode > of hypo, am I right ? > That never happenned since. > At that time I did not know what to do, I was "trained " at looking at the > high numbers only !!! > Can a T2 be in hypo territories ? > Richard

 Yes.  Yes.  Yes. I’ve been sick the last few days.  I have taken no Prandin and my BG was down to 40 yesterday afternoon.  Don’t ask me why.  I can’t figure it out, but I was running low the whole day.  It was kinda good though because I used OJ to treat the lows. c

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>Yes I will remember !! >I wonder why that happenned ? I’m a T2 and I’M not supposed to have episode >of hypo, am I right ? >That never happenned since. >At that time I did not know what to do, I was "trained " at looking at the >high numbers only !!! >Can a T2 be in hypo territories ? >Richard

Hypos though often much more severe in T1s, can, and do hit T2s. Often it is brought on by meds., though it can happen when you don’t eat as often as you should, or become dehydrated amongst many other reasons. Sleepy Atheism——-A Non Prophet Organization

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>I wonder why that happenned ? I’m a T2 and I’M not supposed to have episode >of hypo, am I right ? >That never happenned since. >At that time I did not know what to do, I was "trained " at looking at the >high numbers only !!! >Can a T2 be in hypo territories ? >Richard

Richard– I’m a T2– and I’ve been as low as 32 (tested on 2 different meters) I can hypo– reactive hypoglycemia—evidently since I’m still producing insulin, albeit defectively, it can "dump" too much in my system to cover the glucose available- hence happy hypo land Tamera Tamera The Dancing Cat

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Ok group, no more jam, I’ll try the peanut butter ! Can I have it with jam GMAN, 2.8 yes , once, I was feeling like sh…t, i could not beleive the reading, so I took it again on a different finger, same thing 2.7, that never happened since. You are definitetly a great group and I thanks you all Richard  , your prefered Frenchman !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Richard.  Tiger Lily said it.  I like a before bed snack of peanut butter > smeared on 1/2 apple…  it is like a caramel apple and I don’t miss the > caramel.    Bless.  Memory

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I hope you were paying attention to how you were feeling when you hit that low, so you can recognize the feeling if it happens again. Sleepy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ok group, no more jam, I’ll try the peanut butter ! >Can I have it with jam >GMAN, 2.8 yes , once, I was feeling like sh…t, i could not beleive the >reading, so I took it again on a different finger, same thing 2.7, that >never happened since. >You are definitetly a great group and I thanks you all >Richard  , your prefered Frenchman ! > Richard.  Tiger Lily said it.  I like a before bed snack of peanut butter > smeared on 1/2 apple…  it is like a caramel apple and I don’t miss the > caramel.    Bless.  Memory

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> I hope you were paying attention to how you were feeling when you hit > that low, so you can recognize the feeling if it happens again. > Sleepy

Yes I will remember !! I wonder why that happenned ? I’m a T2 and I’M not supposed to have episode of hypo, am I right ? That never happenned since. At that time I did not know what to do, I was "trained " at looking at the high numbers only !!! Can a T2 be in hypo territories ? Richard

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> Hello all, I haven’t post for awhile since I’m pretty lucky to be able to > control my BG level during the day. > My problem is in the morning…My fasting result are always high (around > 8.0mml) so the reading 2 hrs after breakfast. > My  numbers for the last 30 days  are: > HIGHEST 9.7 > MEAN 6.6 > LOWEST 2.8

Wow…you go to 2.8 and you’re not on meds…I’ve NEVER measured anything below 4.8…no matter when. I am in the 8.0 area every time I check my fasting…I don’t worry about it because firstly my meter has enough error that might mean it’s only a 7.0…and my A1c is well within normal range. I have tested in the overnight hours and all of these tests were good so I can speculate that my morning high is a result of a morning glucose dump and nothing to get too concerned about.

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> Thanks Kate but unfortunaly that doesn’t seems to work.I’m having 4 melba > toast with a bit of strawberry jam (sugar free)and margarine, + a small > glass of milk at around 1 am, my fasting result are taken at 9 am. > I’ll see with my dietetician and with my Vet  next month !!! will see what > they will have to say.. > Thanks and happy summer > Richard

Richard…. the missing part is the protein to slow the carb down……. the strawberry jam is a rapid carb that will bring you bg up, and not reduce the rate at which the toast is absorbed the milk is another fast carb in that snack how about trying a cuppa tea or diet soft drink with some crackers and cheese??? take care kate — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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Richard.  Tiger Lily said it.  I like a before bed snack of peanut butter smeared on 1/2 apple…  it is like a caramel apple and I don’t miss the caramel.    Bless.  Memory

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all, I haven’t post for awhile since I’m pretty lucky to be able to > control my BG level during the day. > My problem is in the morning…My fasting result are always high (around > 8.0mml) so the reading 2 hrs after breakfast. > My  numbers for the last 30 days  are: > HIGHEST 9.7 > MEAN 6.6 > LOWEST 2.8 > No medication, and 30mn walk 7 days a week > How can I bring this stupid morning result, sleepwalking ?  ;-) > Thanks , thanks and thanks again

Wish I had an answer for you.  I woke up to 180 this morning.  My numbers are almost always fine after eating, but usually too high in the morning. I’ve increased my meds and that still doesn’t help.  I’ve tried eating different snacks or no snacks before bed.  No snack seems to make it worse! I’ve tried to exercise before bed.  That didn’t help.  I’ve gotten up several times during the night to check my BG.  Each time it was fine.  And yet at some mystery hour before I awake, my BG goes too high. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Richard do you have a snack before bed such as a couple of crackers with peanut butter,  Try and have sometjing and call me in the morning Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Wow!  Thank you for caring enough about the ‘cure’ to make such a bike ride.  Fifty miles!  Incredible strength there. Bonita

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well everyone, I survived my first Tour de Cure.  It was a well organized > event and it looks like 150 people showed up.  With the $100 fundraising > minimum, that means at least $15,000 was collected! > I rode 50 miles, but there was a 25 mile option. > The weather was warm but overcast.  The temperatures got up to 90 by 11, but > I really didn’t feel it.  the roads were a combination of delightful smooth > asphalt to filling jarring "pea-gravel-embedded-in-tar," but most of the > roads were lightly traveled.  The scenery was attractive and we passed by > many equestrian stables which were populated with horses watching us ride > by. > Rest stops were very well stocked and had friendly volunteers.  I took my > time and visited at each stop. > After the ride, we had a catered lunch provided by the Abita Quail Farm. > Burgers, grilled chicken, pasta, beer & wine were available for all of the > riders.  A band played some excellent blues-rock and many people stayed long > into the afternoon. > This was my first long ride after being diagnosed, and I was carefully > checking blood glucose to see how much carb I needed to eat.  I was > disappointed to find that two sandwich cookies were enough to power me > between rest stops — I was looking forward to having a cookie pig-out! > Thanks to all of you for your support! > — > Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? > http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

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congratulations, Richard!! ! job well done i hope you had a GREAT time doing this……. and what a worthwhile cause kate — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well everyone, I survived my first Tour de Cure.  It was a well organized > event and it looks like 150 people showed up.  With the $100 fundraising > minimum, that means at least $15,000 was collected! > I rode 50 miles, but there was a 25 mile option. > The weather was warm but overcast.  The temperatures got up to 90 by 11, but > I really didn’t feel it.  the roads were a combination of delightful smooth > asphalt to filling jarring "pea-gravel-embedded-in-tar," but most of the > roads were lightly traveled.  The scenery was attractive and we passed by > many equestrian stables which were populated with horses watching us ride > by. > Rest stops were very well stocked and had friendly volunteers.  I took my > time and visited at each stop. > After the ride, we had a catered lunch provided by the Abita Quail Farm. > Burgers, grilled chicken, pasta, beer & wine were available for all of the > riders.  A band played some excellent blues-rock and many people stayed long > into the afternoon. > This was my first long ride after being diagnosed, and I was carefully > checking blood glucose to see how much carb I needed to eat.  I was > disappointed to find that two sandwich cookies were enough to power me > between rest stops — I was looking forward to having a cookie pig-out! > Thanks to all of you for your support! > — > Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? > http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

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Sounds like a grand time was had by all, and 15k raized on top of ? Sounds like a worthwhile day. Sorry about the cookies. Disapointment bites. Sleepy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Well everyone, I survived my first Tour de Cure.  It was a well organized >event and it looks like 150 people showed up.  With the $100 fundraising >minimum, that means at least $15,000 was collected! >I rode 50 miles, but there was a 25 mile option. >The weather was warm but overcast.  The temperatures got up to 90 by 11, but >I really didn’t feel it.  the roads were a combination of delightful smooth >asphalt to filling jarring "pea-gravel-embedded-in-tar," but most of the >roads were lightly traveled.  The scenery was attractive and we passed by >many equestrian stables which were populated with horses watching us ride >by. >Rest stops were very well stocked and had friendly volunteers.  I took my >time and visited at each stop. >After the ride, we had a catered lunch provided by the Abita Quail Farm. >Burgers, grilled chicken, pasta, beer & wine were available for all of the >riders.  A band played some excellent blues-rock and many people stayed long >into the afternoon. >This was my first long ride after being diagnosed, and I was carefully >checking blood glucose to see how much carb I needed to eat.  I was >disappointed to find that two sandwich cookies were enough to power me >between rest stops — I was looking forward to having a cookie pig-out! >Thanks to all of you for your support!

Atheism——-A Non Prophet Organization

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Welcome back and Congratulations ! !  That was quite a ride and I am glad you made it. Thanks goes out to you for good heart in raising the funds. Take care and once again glad to see you back and doing good. Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well everyone, I survived my first Tour de Cure.  It was a well organized > event and it looks like 150 people showed up.  With the $100 fundraising > minimum, that means at least $15,000 was collected! > I rode 50 miles, but there was a 25 mile option. > The weather was warm but overcast.  The temperatures got up to 90 by 11, but > I really didn’t feel it.  the roads were a combination of delightful smooth > asphalt to filling jarring "pea-gravel-embedded-in-tar," but most of the > roads were lightly traveled.  The scenery was attractive and we passed by > many equestrian stables which were populated with horses watching us ride > by. > Rest stops were very well stocked and had friendly volunteers.  I took my > time and visited at each stop. > After the ride, we had a catered lunch provided by the Abita Quail Farm. > Burgers, grilled chicken, pasta, beer & wine were available for all of the > riders.  A band played some excellent blues-rock and many people stayed long > into the afternoon. > This was my first long ride after being diagnosed, and I was carefully > checking blood glucose to see how much carb I needed to eat.  I was > disappointed to find that two sandwich cookies were enough to power me > between rest stops — I was looking forward to having a cookie pig-out! > Thanks to all of you for your support! > — > Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? > http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

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Congratulations on a job well done.  This from someone who can only handle her two feet and nothing else. c

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well everyone, I survived my first Tour de Cure.  It was a well organized > event and it looks like 150 people showed up.  With the $100 fundraising > minimum, that means at least $15,000 was collected! > I rode 50 miles, but there was a 25 mile option. > The weather was warm but overcast.  The temperatures got up to 90 by 11, but > I really didn’t feel it.  the roads were a combination of delightful smooth > asphalt to filling jarring "pea-gravel-embedded-in-tar," but most of the > roads were lightly traveled.  The scenery was attractive and we passed by > many equestrian stables which were populated with horses watching us ride > by. > Rest stops were very well stocked and had friendly volunteers.  I took my > time and visited at each stop. > After the ride, we had a catered lunch provided by the Abita Quail Farm. > Burgers, grilled chicken, pasta, beer & wine were available for all of the > riders.  A band played some excellent blues-rock and many people stayed long > into the afternoon. > This was my first long ride after being diagnosed, and I was carefully > checking blood glucose to see how much carb I needed to eat.  I was > disappointed to find that two sandwich cookies were enough to power me > between rest stops — I was looking forward to having a cookie pig-out! > Thanks to all of you for your support! > — > Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? > http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

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Well everyone, I survived my first Tour de Cure.  It was a well organized event and it looks like 150 people showed up.  With the $100 fundraising minimum, that means at least $15,000 was collected! I rode 50 miles, but there was a 25 mile option. The weather was warm but overcast.  The temperatures got up to 90 by 11, but I really didn’t feel it.  the roads were a combination of delightful smooth asphalt to filling jarring "pea-gravel-embedded-in-tar," but most of the roads were lightly traveled.  The scenery was attractive and we passed by many equestrian stables which were populated with horses watching us ride by. Rest stops were very well stocked and had friendly volunteers.  I took my time and visited at each stop. After the ride, we had a catered lunch provided by the Abita Quail Farm. Burgers, grilled chicken, pasta, beer & wine were available for all of the riders.  A band played some excellent blues-rock and many people stayed long into the afternoon. This was my first long ride after being diagnosed, and I was carefully checking blood glucose to see how much carb I needed to eat.  I was disappointed to find that two sandwich cookies were enough to power me between rest stops — I was looking forward to having a cookie pig-out! Thanks to all of you for your support! — Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

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> Hba1c and bg levels is an measurment of two different thing, (etc.)

An excellent answer, GS.  I would like to make one more point:  other sugars besides glucose can glycate proteins.  For instance, fructose is a much stronger glycator than glucose, but a glucometer measures glucose. Here’s a link with a bit more information.  http://www.legendarypharma.com/glycation.html –Hua Kul

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Thank you! And the fructose does the same harm to the body? PS: Sorry for my broken english

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hba1c and bg levels is an measurment of two different thing, (etc.) > An excellent answer, GS.  I would like to make one more point:  other > sugars besides glucose can glycate proteins.  For instance, fructose > is a much stronger glycator than glucose, but a glucometer measures > glucose. > Here’s a link with a bit more information. >  http://www.legendarypharma.com/glycation.html > –Hua Kul

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Ok, that’s what I was missing. I knew there had to be something wrong with my theory. Thanks for pointing it out. I was just looking for a way to predict what was going to happen at my next doctors visit. I guess I might get a rough idea, but not a concrete answer. Thanks! Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow,  Love as though you have never been hurt,  Dance as if no one is looking…"       Satchel Paige

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> Thank you! > And the fructose does the same harm to the body?

Yes, only faster. Abstract:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… Full text:  http://www.med.kobe-u.ac.jp/journal/contents/48/125.pdf 1: Kobe J Med Sci 2002 Oct;48(5):125-36 Related Articles, Links   Experimental Studies on the Role of Fructose in the development of Diabetic Complications. Sakai M, Oimomi M, Kasuga M. Department of Internal Medicine, Takasago Municipal Hospital, 33-1 Kami-machi, Arai-cho, Takasago 676-0015, Japan. We examined the role of fructose in the development of diabetic complications. Compared with glucose, fructose increased the fluorescence intensity and the cross-linking of glycated collagen, and promoted the polymerization of proteins. Therefore fructose accelerated the production of advanced glycation end-products more than glucose. In addition, fructose enhanced the reactive oxygen or oxygen radical generation and the associated degeneration of proteins and lipids. These actions of fructose appeared to be due to the formation of dicarbonyl compounds such as 3-deoxyglucosone, a highly reactive intermediate product formed in the advanced glycation stage. These results suggest that fructose is closely involved not only in glycation but also in the polyol pathway and peroxidation reactions through free radical formation. Thus, fructose is considered to be a more critical reducing sugar associated with the progression of diabetic complications than it has been thought until now. PMID: 12594356 [PubMed - in process] –Hua Kul

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I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of your tests for the last 14 days. My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the doctors office….right? Or am I missing something? Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow,  Love as though you have never been hurt,  Dance as if no one is looking…"       Satchel Paige

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Your finger pokes only give you random testings at various intervals.  The A1c takes the overall reading and not just the random variable.  Both are the best ways to maintain tight control of diabetes. c

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a > button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of > your tests for the last 14 days. > My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing > over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests > over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? > I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the > end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the > doctors office….right? > Or am I missing something? > Dana > "Live as though there is no tomorrow, >  Love as though you have never been hurt, >  Dance as if no one is looking…" >       Satchel Paige

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a >button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of >your tests for the last 14 days. >My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing >over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests >over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? >I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the >end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the >doctors office….right? >Or am I missing something? >Dana

    It will work that way if you take a reading every hour, 24 hours per day.    Every "hourly reading" you skip makes the average a bit more inaccurate. Regards   Old Al

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There is generally a good correlation, but that depends on having a well distributed frequency of blood glucose samples.  Your blood glucose is constantly changing and it’s possible that you would not test during a spike. In my case, for example, I never test at night unless I happen to wake up. That’s eight hours a day that I know is not reflected in *my* blood glucose tests. — Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a > button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of > your tests for the last 14 days. > My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing > over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests > over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? > I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the > end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the > doctors office….right? > Or am I missing something? > Dana > "Live as though there is no tomorrow, >  Love as though you have never been hurt, >  Dance as if no one is looking…" >       Satchel Paige

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Hba1c and bg levels is an measurment of two different thing, but they are in a way link Hba1c measure the % of  sugar attached to red blood cells. If you have high level of sugar in your blood the hba1c % rises. BUT there are well know that different people withe the same bg avarage can have different hba1c. Infact it can be an differens up to 1%! There is chart that tries to linke hba1c levels to average bg. But they are disputed. According to them i should have an avrage bg of 76(4.2), but i guess it’s more likely that it’s 90(5). I think of them of as an predictor of complication and not about bg level. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a > button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of > your tests for the last 14 days. > My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing > over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests > over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? > I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the > end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the > doctors office….right? > Or am I missing something? > Dana > "Live as though there is no tomorrow, >  Love as though you have never been hurt, >  Dance as if no one is looking…" >       Satchel Paige

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> My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing > over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests > over 3 or 4 months do the same thing?

It would if you were able to take a truly random sample of blood measurements, but being human you can’t do that in practice.  A random sample would mean, for example, that each minute of the entire 24 hour day would have an equal probability (well technically a *known* probability but that’s a quibble) of being sampled.  So at least some samples would come at 3 am, for example. Being human and not willing, I presume, to devote your entire life for three months to taking truly randomly timed samples, your collection of measurements will have a sample bias, which means that you cannot generalize from them to your mean blood sugar 24 hours a day. You can’t generalize from a sample to a population unless you *know* that the sample is truly random.  Practically speaking that’s impossible in the case of blood samples. Fortunately the a1c test does it pretty well without all that fuss about multiple random sampling.  :-)

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> I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a > button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of > your tests for the last 14 days. > My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing > over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests > over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? > I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the > end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the > doctors office….right? > Or am I missing something?

The HbA1c isn’t the same thing because it shows how much sugar has attached itself to the in (the part of the cell that carries oxygen) in red blood cells. Also, averages are kind of meaningless for these reasons.  For one thing, you are not testing yourself continually.  You don’t know what your BG is at the times you are not testing.  You also want to stay within a certain range.  You don’t want hypos and you don’t want highs.  You could still have both hypos and highs and come up with a good average. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> I just received my new FreeStyle meter and tried it out. There is a > button on the front (m) and when pressed it brings up the average of > your tests for the last 14 days. > My question is: If a HA1c test shows what your blood has been doing > over the last 3 or 4 months, why wouldn’t averaging out your bg tests > over 3 or 4 months do the same thing? > I was thinking if I kept a record of my average every 14 days, at the > end of 3 months it should equal the results of my HA1c test at the > doctors office….right? > Or am I missing something?

HbA1c is not an average as it is commonly touted. HbA1c measures the percentage of glycation of one’s blood. Blood cells typically live for about 120 days which is why it is stated that you A1c is an averge. The HbA1c gives a bigger picture and is not influenced by short term factors such as stress / food (whta you ate two hurs ago…etc One’s meter read BG is a snapshot of how much glucose is in one’s blood at THAT particular time and is only relevant for that small period of time. This reading is affected by many short term factors…mainly recently ingested food.

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Hi Does anyone know where I can download a programme to record my glucose levels which will produce stats and charts etc?? Thanks Mick

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>Does anyone know where I can download a programme to record my glucose >levels which will produce stats and charts etc??

http://www.bgtracker.com/  (it’s free) Carol — Type 2, dx May 15,1995 Glucophage XR Low Carb Eating Plan Stretching Exercises and Walking

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> Hi > Does anyone know where I can download a programme to record my glucose > levels which will produce stats and charts etc??

                www.LifeScan.com

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Try the free LifeScan InTouch software, version 1.3.3 (I don’t recommend version 2); you can use it even if you don’t use a LifeScan meter if you manually enter your test results. See http://www.mylifescan.ca/products/intouch.jsp — Malcolm Graham; http://diabetestype2.ca/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi > Does anyone know where I can download a programme to record my glucose > levels which will produce stats and charts etc?? > Thanks > Mick

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If you are using the Accu-Chek products, you can order a USB cable that will plug into your pc and meter. They also have matching software that will create all kinds of nifty reports and graphs. Just go to the Accu-Chek website and check it out. They have a demo of their software running on the site for you to try out.

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Is there a version for the US besides version 2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Try the free LifeScan InTouch software, version 1.3.3 (I don’t recommend version > 2); you can use it even if you don’t use a LifeScan meter if you manually enter > your test results. See http://www.mylifescan.ca/products/intouch.jsp > — > Malcolm Graham; http://diabetestype2.ca/ > Hi > Does anyone know where I can download a programme to record my glucose > levels which will produce stats and charts etc?? > Thanks > Mick

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Cathie B posted this… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there. I have insulin dependent diabetes (25 years), Addison’s disease > and hypothyroidism (four years). > I am from England but emigrated to the US a couple of years ago.  The blood > glucose testing strips my US endocrinologist has me using (he gave me a free > meter) work out at $1 per test (that’s about

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I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my Endochronologist at International Diabetes Center, St. Louis Park, MN  The product helps me manage cravings for sweets, and helps control glucose.  Information at www.oppxango.com  Glad to help you! Russell

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Even snake oil salesmen need a spell check. It’s Endocrinologist, get your fake facts correct. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my Endochronologist > at International Diabetes Center, St. Louis Park, MN  The product helps me > manage cravings for sweets, and helps control glucose.  Information at > www.oppxango.com  Glad to help you! > Russell

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Damn an here all this time, I thought keeping my bG under control helped control the sweets cravings!.. Silly ME! You illiterate BASTURD! — RK T1/Lantus&Novolog/Experimenting Daily! http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org irc://irc.zerolimit.net/diabeticnet

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my Endochronologist > at International Diabetes Center, St. Louis Park, MN  The product helps me > manage cravings for sweets, and helps control glucose.  Information at > www.oppxango.com  Glad to help you! > Russell

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> Even snake oil salesmen need a spell check. > It’s Endocrinologist, get your fake facts correct.

  "Endochronologist" is a perfectly good word.  It refers to someone who studies internal time-keeping.  ;) Colin Percival

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cc’d by email look you fucking spammer Take your "supplement" and your commercial crap and go elsewhere MLM scammers like you are NOT welcome here – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my Endochronologist > at International Diabetes Scam Center, St. Louis Park, MN  The product helps me > manage cravings for sweets, and helps control glucose.  Information at > www.scamxango.com  Glad to help you! > Russell

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cc’d by email J.M. Barrie wrote about another reptile who did that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Even snake oil salesmen need a spell check. >It’s Endocrinologist, get your fake facts correct. >   "Endochronologist" is a perfectly good word.  It refers to someone who > studies internal time-keeping.  ;) > Colin Percival

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> Even snake oil salesmen need a spell check. > It’s Endocrinologist, get your fake facts correct.

Hmmm.  I wonder if his "Endochronologist" is for the watch he swallowed. > I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my Endochronologist > at International Diabetes Center, St. Louis Park, MN  The product helps me > manage cravings for sweets, and helps control glucose.  Information at > www.oppxango.com  Glad to help you!

Priscilla — "It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it."                                       –G.K. Chesterton

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This post not CC’d by email >Even snake oil salesmen need a spell check. >It’s Endocrinologist, get your fake facts correct. >Jennifer

G’day G’day Jennifer,   Endochronologist is a whole lot funnier. Endo = inside A chronologist studies time. Guess Russell wanted to tell us someone was well qualified to study time inside.   <grin> > I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my Endochronologist > at

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LOL! Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Damn an here all this time, I thought keeping my bG under control >helped control the sweets cravings!.. >Silly ME! >You illiterate BASTURD! >– >RK >T1/Lantus&Novolog/Experimenting Daily! >http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org >irc://irc.zerolimit.net/diabeticnet > I was reccommended to a liquid nutritional supplement by my >Endochronologist > at International Diabetes Center, St. Louis Park, MN  The product helps me > manage cravings for sweets, and helps control glucose.  Information at > www.oppxango.com  Glad to help you! > Russell

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PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Ok, let me get this straight, you are threatening us by telling us we won’t read our comments ? The cliche about  cutting off one’s nose to spite your face comes to mind. >PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST >Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply >— >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Make that – "you won’t read out comments" I guess I get 2 filters – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ok, let me get this straight, you are threatening us by telling us we >won’t read our comments ? The cliche about  cutting off one’s nose to >spite your face comes to mind. >PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST >Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply >— >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >bill_supon at yahoo dot com

bill_supon at yahoo dot com

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PLEASE Br’er Roose, PLEASE throw me in the briar patch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST > Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Me! Me! Pick me!  But you won’t. Nor will you kill Ronnie, you would rather die than miss a post about yourself. Oh, that’s right you are gonna die anyway.  Hope the ADA pay for your funeral.  When do you see your endocrinologist instead of the quack doc? — http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/

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Since Ronnie is a friend of mine guess you need to add me to your killfilter too. Diana

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Do we need to take numbers? c

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> PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST > Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply

Like I did not hear that through Elementry School  You are getting good advice here, you don’t like that advice.. I don’t sugar coat stuff. The worst thing I could do is say "Cheese, you are doin’ it the right way".  That’s not me, I will not kiss up so you feel good about yourself. — Ronnie   Registered Linux User #177529   http://counter.li.org   There is no place like /home

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> PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST

Oh! yes!!! Please, oh please, put me on your filter list. — -frohe Life is too short to be in a hurry

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If your going to filter Ronnie, Diana and ozgirl ya better filter me to.

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actually if you start demanding i listen to you i will fiilter you. i do not think you did yet and have not insulted me and i remember MrBill. I have a Doctor and soon a Dietitian i dont need this group for that.  i would never have asked for advice if i thought they would demand i follow it. but if you dislike me or just dont want me to join your threads i will filter you. so far its up to you CheeseBurger

> Make that – "you won’t read out comments" > I guess I get 2 filters >Ok, let me get this straight, you are threatening us by telling us we >won’t read our comments ? The cliche about  cutting off one’s nose to >spite your face comes to mind.

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Gee, schucks, Cheeseburger I don’t know. That’s a pretty elite crowd you’ve filtered out, I almost feel left out. They gave me a lot of good advice when I joined, to the point that I try to contribute now to help folks, as I was helped myself. I’ll leave it up to you what you do, there is a lot of extranous information in the group, but a lot of good information as well. Folks here will sometimes(ha, often) express their opinion, sometimes  as though it was fact, but a majority of people try to point out that YMMV, and that you need to consider that what works for them, might not work for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >actually if you start demanding i >listen to you i will fiilter you. >i do not think you did yet and have not insulted me >and i remember MrBill. I have a Doctor and soon a Dietitian >i dont need this group for that.  i would never have asked for advice >if i thought they would demand i follow it. >but if you dislike me or just dont want me to join your threads >i will filter you. so far its up to you >CheeseBurger > Make that – "you won’t read out comments" > I guess I get 2 filters > >Ok, let me get this straight, you are threatening us by telling us we > >won’t read our comments ? The cliche about  cutting off one’s nose to > >spite your face comes to mind. >— >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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lol no problem

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well oz girl you are right i didnt filter your ass yet and i am glad but i will now. i had to take a shit. one of those high fiber make chinese eyes shits with corn and all. would have liked to shove it in your mouth but you are not here. being you say i am going to die and make jokes about it i see no harm in saying ide like to fart in your mouth while you eat your chicken skin bitch. is that cum drippin out of your mouth or you trying a new mayo? did you use your big ass panties to wipe the mustard off your face or did you shit your panties again. what should be the last thing i say to your unhealthy going to die blind and legless bitch? i got it bye ozgirl i love you CheeseBurger

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<hideous comments snipped> Kill-filed and reported. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account

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> <hideous comments snipped> > Kill-filed and reported.

Ditto…reported to teranews and isp. Rob Kulp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Julie Bove, posting from new account

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Not much to say.  Don’t buy a meter!  Don’t listen to any advice! EXCEPT…Get thee to a psychiatrist"  and please filter me!!!!   You are mean, uneducated,  immature and probably dangerous!!!!     Memory

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well oz girl you are right i didnt filter your ass yet and i am glad > but i will now. i had to take a shit. one of those high fiber > make chinese eyes shits with corn and all. would have liked to > shove it in your mouth but you are not here. > being you say i am going to die and make jokes about it i see no harm in > saying > ide like to fart in your mouth while you eat your chicken skin bitch. > is that cum drippin out of your mouth or you trying a new mayo? > did you use your big ass panties to wipe the mustard off your face or did > you shit your panties again. > what should be the last thing i say to your unhealthy going to die blind > and legless bitch? > i got it > bye ozgirl i love you > CheeseBurger > Me! Me! Pick me!  But you won’t. Nor will you kill Ronnie, you would > rather die than miss a post about yourself. Oh, that’s right you are > gonna die anyway.  Hope the ADA pay for your funeral.  When do you see > your endocrinologist instead of the quack doc? > — > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/ > > PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST > > Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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You heard us, PLEASE killfile us, ALL of us – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > actually if you start demanding i > listen to you i will fiilter you. > i do not think you did yet and have not insulted me > and i remember MrBill. I have a Doctor and soon a Dietitian > i dont need this group for that.  i would never have asked for advice > if i thought they would demand i follow it. > but if you dislike me or just dont want me to join your threads > i will filter you. so far its up to you > CheeseBurger >Make that – "you won’t read out comments" >I guess I get 2 filters >>Ok, let me get this straight, you are threatening us by telling us we >>won’t read our comments ? The cliche about  cutting off one’s nose to >>spite your face comes to mind. > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Well, I have seen lots of new diabetics come and go here. Some have high glucose rages, some are on the lower side of the IQ curve, some just have no manners. Usually we try to settle them down and help them over the rough parts, particularly with poor or incomplete information from their medical advisors. However, some end up just being trolls who get some sick thrill out of stirring the pot. And such is Cheeseburger. Just another sick soul who generated huge amounts of bandwidth full of nonsense. There comes a time to withdraw the assistance of the group from this sad accumulation of disparate protoplasm, who by the way, reminds me of the troll who visited us a few years ago who was a security guard in the theater district of NYC. So, I am awarding this fool my personal Scarlet-T, and have chosen to deny my assistance to this person. This post is just way too far over the top. I ask everyone to consider their personal feelings about this matter. I like to think of it as Evolution in Action. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > well oz girl you are right i didnt filter your ass yet and i am glad > but i will now. i had to take a shit. one of those high fiber > make chinese eyes shits with corn and all. would have liked to > shove it in your mouth but you are not here. > being you say i am going to die and make jokes about it i see no harm in > saying > ide like to fart in your mouth while you eat your chicken skin bitch. > is that cum drippin out of your mouth or you trying a new mayo? > did you use your big ass panties to wipe the mustard off your face or did > you shit your panties again. > what should be the last thing i say to your unhealthy going to die blind > and legless bitch? > i got it > bye ozgirl i love you > CheeseBurger >Me! Me! Pick me!  But you won’t. Nor will you kill Ronnie, you would >rather die than miss a post about yourself. Oh, that’s right you are >gonna die anyway.  Hope the ADA pay for your funeral.  When do you see >your endocrinologist instead of the quack doc? >– >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/ >>PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST >>Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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<filth snipped> *plonk*

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Is Cheeseburger a troll and has come out of the closet. Is this Rooose the Goose. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Filter me too, I like the company I am keeping there. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> Filter me too, I like the company I am keeping there. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

Me to!  Me to! Add me to that filter! Marie, Caretaker Mom T2 Dx 3/2002

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oh my goodness!….. i had blocked the bandwidth/time waster Cheeseburger before this filth (that i snipped…… those words hurt to read) was posted Cheeseburger aka Copulator has now morphed into Sushi-Boy and yes, he sure does remind me of the "know it all NY security guard" that we had similar "contact, shudder" with not too long ago may evolution in action be quick! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, I have seen lots of new diabetics come and go here. Some have high > glucose rages, some are on the lower side of the IQ curve, some just > have no manners. Usually we try to settle them down and help them over > the rough parts, particularly with poor or incomplete information from > their medical advisors. > However, some end up just being trolls who get some sick thrill out of > stirring the pot. And such is Cheeseburger. Just another sick soul who > generated huge amounts of bandwidth full of nonsense. > There comes a time to withdraw the assistance of the group from this sad > accumulation of disparate protoplasm, who by the way, reminds me of the > troll who visited us a few years ago who was a security guard in the > theater district of NYC. > So, I am awarding this fool my personal Scarlet-T, and have chosen to > deny my assistance to this person. This post is just way too far over > the top. I ask everyone to consider their personal feelings about this > matter. > I like to think of it as Evolution in Action. > Jim

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I don’t post much but please put me on your filter list! >PLEASE REPLY TO JOIN MY FILTER LIST >Ronnie Goes Ruff Ruff… you are already on it.. no need to reply

Type 2, diag. 3/98, glucophage,Amaryl, diet, exercise, born ‘47 Another Soggy Seattle Sysop!

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