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Workouts can check diabetes after 40: Study ANI Saturday, August 30, 2003 Washington – Middle-aged people with diabetes have been advised by experts to exercise regularly to keep their insulin level under control. A study by researchers at the Mayo Clinic has found that middle-aged and older people can’t sustain increased insulin sensitivity produced by aerobic exercise. A decline in insulin sensitivity is normal as people age and that reduced insulin sensitivity makes them more prone to developing diabetes. The study which appears in the August issue of Diabetes, was conducted on 65 healthy, but mostly sedentary, men and women aged 21 to 87. They took part in a four-month long aerobic exercise program where the intensity and length of the training sessions increased over time. Researchers measured the subjects’ insulin sensitivity, abdominal fat and enzyme systems involved in cellular energy conversion at the beginning of the study, and again a few days after the final exercise session. "The insulin sensitivity of younger people remained higher four days after exercising. But no increase was recorded in the middle-aged and older participants," lead investigator and endocrinologist Dr K Sreekumaran Nair was quoted as saying by Health Scout. "The [study] results may be helpful to pre-diabetic and diabetic patients and their health-care providers as they plan more effective exercise regimens," Nair added. Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 5 Bhadrapad 5104, Sunday, August 31, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau      Singh Mase Shukl Pakshe Bhanu Vasara Yuktayam Chitr-Svati Nakshatr Brahm Yog      Bav-Balav Karan Panchami Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate      o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.      o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read, considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.      o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are not necessarily those of the poster.

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> Workouts can check diabetes after 40: Study > ANI > Saturday, August 30, 2003 > Washington – Middle-aged people with diabetes have been > advised by experts to exercise regularly to keep their > insulin level under control.

No fuckin shit!!!! > A study by researchers at the Mayo Clinic has found that > middle-aged and older people can’t sustain increased > insulin sensitivity produced by aerobic exercise.

More earth shattering obviousness. > A decline in insulin sensitivity is normal as people age > and that reduced insulin sensitivity makes them more > prone to developing diabetes.

You don’t say!! Jay, you’re a waste of fucking space. Find another for OUR sake eh? Beav

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >This post not CC’d by email >Lat week my Father -in-law [75 yrs old] was admitted to >hospital after suffering a suspected heart attack. Well it >turns out he had had one and that he has a failing heart. >But he is ok now and stable. However, there was  guy in the >next bed whoose legs were all black and blue and he looked >awfull. I later discovered that he was a diabetic with a >failing liver. I just learned that he got sent to St. >James’s in Leed’s for a transplant this afternoon. Don’t >know anything about the guy other than that but it seemed >important to take notice. >Pete >Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide >G’day G’day Pete, >  I had an interesting email exchange with a government official over >trans fats labeling in New Zealand.  The phrase "informed choice" was >used.  Now it occurs to me on reading your post how the society >permits spin and secrets away the nasty consequences.  The reasons for >living a shuttered existence are many and valid, personal privacy >would come near the top.  We often remark here how complications take >ten years, twenty years to appear and the conscious recognition of the >chain of cause and effect is only dimly forged.  It takes someone like >yourself or Guy when talking about the folks he know twenty years on >to bring consequences into ghastly clarity. >Best wishes to you, your father and the bloke in the next bed,

My father-in-law is doing fine so far but he has been a farmer all his life and has enjoyed fitness and health nearly all of it. He is finding retirement hard and failing health even harder. But if he does as he is told then he ought to go on for quite a bit longer. I hope so – couldn’t wish for a better father-in-law. Mother-in-law is a love as well. Both have been really good to my wife and I over the years. In reality, in this respect, I have been very lucky. Your generous thoughts are gratefully received. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide

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http://www.defeatdiabetes.org/Articles/medications030407.htm Liver Injury from Diabetic Medications posted 04/07/03 OAKLAND, Calif. — A new study links the use of diabetic medications with an increased risk of acute liver injury or failure. Medical literature regularly reports on cases of drug-induced liver injury. Doctors are asked to report any suspected cases to manufacturers or regulatory authorities to assist in the evaluation of medication safety after FDA approval. One diabetes medication, troglitazone, was withdrawn from the market in both the United States and the United Kingdom after case reports suggested it causes liver damage. Since diabetes itself can cause liver problems, larger studies are needed to accurately assess the risk of medications used to treat the disease. In this study, researchers reviewed medical records from about 171,000 patients age 19 and older when they first received oral hypoglycemic drugs or insulin to control their diabetes. The analysis identified 26 cases of acute liver failure and 9 cases of acute liver injury that could not be clearly attributed to a known cause other than use of the diabetes medications. Twenty-seven additional cases, however, had a possible alternative cause, including exposure to hepatotoxic drugs. Just one of the cases had no apparent cause other than the use of the hypoglycemic agent, and that patient was on tolazamide. Eight of the patients died during hospitalization. The incidence of toxic events was similar for the various medications in the study, and individuals with other chronic diseases besides diabetes were at higher risk of developing complications. The authors write, "Acute liver failure or injury not clearly attributable to other known causes occurred on the order of 1 per 10,000 person-years among diabetic patients treated with oral hypoglycemic drugs or insulin." Source: Ivanhoe Newswire: Archives of Internal Medicine, 2002;163:728-734. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Lat week my Father -in-law [75 yrs old] was admitted to > hospital after suffering a suspected heart attack. Well it > turns out he had had one and that he has a failing heart. > But he is ok now and stable. However, there was  guy in the > next bed whoose legs were all black and blue and he looked > awfull. I later discovered that he was a diabetic with a > failing liver. I just learned that he got sent to St. > James’s in Leed’s for a transplant this afternoon. Don’t > know anything about the guy other than that but it seemed > important to take notice. > Pete > Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide

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Lat week my Father -in-law [75 yrs old] was admitted to hospital after suffering a suspected heart attack. Well it turns out he had had one and that he has a failing heart. But he is ok now and stable. However, there was  guy in the next bed whoose legs were all black and blue and he looked awfull. I later discovered that he was a diabetic with a failing liver. I just learned that he got sent to St. James’s in Leed’s for a transplant this afternoon. Don’t know anything about the guy other than that but it seemed important to take notice. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide

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This post not CC’d by email >Lat week my Father -in-law [75 yrs old] was admitted to >hospital after suffering a suspected heart attack. Well it >turns out he had had one and that he has a failing heart. >But he is ok now and stable. However, there was  guy in the >next bed whoose legs were all black and blue and he looked >awfull. I later discovered that he was a diabetic with a >failing liver. I just learned that he got sent to St. >James’s in Leed’s for a transplant this afternoon. Don’t >know anything about the guy other than that but it seemed >important to take notice. >Pete >Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide

G’day G’day Pete,   I had an interesting email exchange with a government official over trans fats labeling in New Zealand.  The phrase "informed choice" was used.  Now it occurs to me on reading your post how the society permits spin and secrets away the nasty consequences.  The reasons for living a shuttered existence are many and valid, personal privacy would come near the top.  We often remark here how complications take ten years, twenty years to appear and the conscious recognition of the chain of cause and effect is only dimly forged.  It takes someone like yourself or Guy when talking about the folks he know twenty years on to bring consequences into ghastly clarity. Best wishes to you, your father and the bloke in the next bed, — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       >#,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Prakriti holds medical camp in Bara Banki Times News Network Monday, May 12, 2003 Bara Banki – Prakriti (the nature) organised a free medical camp at Katra, in Jahangirabad area of the district on Saturday. Hundreds of  patients, suffering from diabetes, high or low blood pressure, eye and stomach ailments, were examined at the camp by doctors. Later, free medicines were distributed among them by members of the organisation. Dr Rupesh Kumar, founder of the Prakriti, said that the next camp for eye and contagious diseases would be organised in the second week of June. Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 28 Vaishakh 5104, Wednesday, May 28, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Budha Vasara Yuktayam Bharani Nakshatr Shobhan Yog      Vanij-Vishti Karan Trayodashi-Chaturdashi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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>>Jai Maharaj > Real name Jay Stevens

You’re lying again, Mack.  Here’s the original post again: Prakriti holds medical camp in Bara Banki Times News Network Monday, May 12, 2003 Bara Banki – Prakriti (the nature) organised a free medical camp at Katra, in Jahangirabad area of the district on Saturday. Hundreds of  patients, suffering from diabetes, high or low blood pressure, eye and stomach ailments, were examined at the camp by doctors. Later, free medicines were distributed among them by members of the organisation. Dr Rupesh Kumar, founder of the Prakriti, said that the next camp for eye and contagious diseases would be organised in the second week of June. Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 28 Vaishakh 5104, Wednesday, May 28, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Budha Vasara Yuktayam Bharani Nakshatr Shobhan Yog      Vanij-Vishti Karan Trayodashi-Chaturdashi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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>  Real name Jay Stevens

You’re lying again, Mack.  Here’s the original post: Prakriti holds medical camp in Bara Banki Times News Network Monday, May 12, 2003 Bara Banki – Prakriti (the nature) organised a free medical camp at Katra, in Jahangirabad area of the district on Saturday. Hundreds of  patients, suffering from diabetes, high or low blood pressure, eye and stomach ailments, were examined at the camp by doctors. Later, free medicines were distributed among them by members of the organisation. Dr Rupesh Kumar, founder of the Prakriti, said that the next camp for eye and contagious diseases would be organised in the second week of June. Read the complete news at: http://www.timesofindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 28 Vaishakh 5104, Wednesday, May 28, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Budha Vasara Yuktayam Bharani Nakshatr Shobhan Yog      Vanij-Vishti Karan Trayodashi-Chaturdashi Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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> Eli Lilly set to trigger price war > By V. Phani Kumar, in Mumbai > Business Standard > January 3, 2003 > At a time when several Indian pharmaceutical companies > are making their presence felt in the global markets by > undercutting prices, US-based Eli Lilly is planning to do > the same in India.

That’s certainly interesting.  We’ve had countless discussions on pharmaceutical pricing in MHD, as the US market seems to pay for new drug development with it’s excessive drug prices. And you can call him Jai, or Kai, or Lai, or Mai… But don’t *ever* call him _Jay_!  That’s the name of _that_ tune, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eli Lilly set to trigger price war > By V. Phani Kumar, in Mumbai > Business Standard > January 3, 2003 > At a time when several Indian pharmaceutical companies > are making their presence felt in the global markets by > undercutting prices, US-based Eli Lilly is planning to do > the same in India. . . . > That’s certainly interesting.  We’ve had countless discussions on > pharmaceutical pricing in MHD, as the US market seems to pay for new drug > development with it’s excessive drug prices. > And you can call him Jai, or Kai, or Lai, or Mai… > But don’t *ever* call him _Jay_!  That’s the name of _that_ tune, > — > Jim Dumas > T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. > lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

Jai is my name.  Is yours Kim, Lim or Mim? Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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>> And you can call him Jai, or Kai, or Lai, or Mai… > But don’t *ever* call him _Jay_!  That’s the name of _that_ tune, > Jai is my name.  Is yours Kim, Lim or Mim?

Dear Jay, If Mohammed Ali can do it, then I guess you can do it too. And you can call me anything you like.  Just don’t call me Ray, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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>>> And you can call him Jai, or Kai, or Lai, or Mai… >> But don’t *ever* call him _Jay_!  That’s the name of _that_ tune, > Jai is my name.  Is yours Kim, Lim or Mim? > Dear Jay,

You got it wrong.  My name is Jai. > If Mohammed . . .

Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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>> Dear Jay, > You got it wrong.  My name is Jai. > If Mohammed . . .

Dear Jay, We’ll keep it public. I like the name Jay, as Jai is a ball game played with a basket for a glove. Besides, what’s one more alias anyway?  All roads lead to Rome, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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 [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.23.34.1a >> Dear Jay, > You got it wrong.  My name is Jai. >> If Mohammed . . . > Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims: > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate > Dear Jay, . . .

You got it wrong again.  My name is Jai. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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Sorry Jay.  Forgot to cc everybody on the last post. >>> Dear Jay, > > You got it wrong.  My name is Jai. > >> If Mohammed . . . > Dear Jay, . . . > You got it wrong again.  My name is Jai.

It really doesn’t matter, Jay.  Keep posting as usual. And sell tickets as we have a wonderful following now, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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 [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.23.34.1a > Sorry Jay.  . . .

You got it wrong, again  My name is Jai. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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>> Sorry Jay.  . . . > You got it wrong, again  My name is Jai.

Dear Jay, A whois mantra.com gives: Registrant: Mantra Corporation (MANTRA-DOM)    P. O. Box 1919    Honolulu    HI,96792-6919    US    Domain Name: MANTRA.COM    Administrative Contact:       Mantra Corporation       P. O. Box 1919       Waianae, HI  96792-6919       US       (808) 581-8808    Technical Contact:       FlexNet Inc.       P.O.Box 22481       HONOLULU, HI  96822-2481       US       (808) 539-3790 (808) 539-3793 Definately not an Indian corporation.  I thought we had a direct connection to India with mantra.  So something’s funky here, Jay. Just checking for intelligent Diabetes life at mantra.com, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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 [   Registration Date…. 2003-02-23  [   Organisation Name…. Earthlink, Inc.  [   Organisation Address. 1375 Peachtree St.  [   Organisation Address. Level A  [   Organisation Address. Atlanta  [   Organisation Address. 30309  [   Organisation Address. GA  [   Organisation Address. UNITED STATES  [  [  [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.23.34.1a > Dear Jay, > A whois . . .

You got it wrong, again.  My name is Jai. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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>  [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.23.34.1a > Dear Jay, > A whois . . . > You got it wrong, again.  My name is Jai.

Indeed, Jay. Then please set the record straight: 1) In what capacity does Jay Stevens work for Mantra Corportation? 2) Next, how is Jay Stevens related to you?  (Your boss, etc.) 3) Finally, everybody on MHD would like to know if you have Diabetes. Thanks in advance for your honesty, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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 [ Path: … stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail  [   Registration Date…. 2003-02-23  [   Organisation Name…. Earthlink, Inc.  [   Organisation Address. 1375 Peachtree St.  [   Organisation Address. Level A  [   Organisation Address. Atlanta  [   Organisation Address. 30309  [   Organisation Address. GA  [   Organisation Address. UNITED STATES  [  [  [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.23.34.1a >  [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.23.34.1a >> Dear Jay, >> A whois . . . > You got it wrong, again.  My name is Jai. > Indeed, Jay.

No, you’re wrong again.  My name is Jai. There will be no more responses to you, dishonest person. > Then please set the record straight:

Read what I wrote above.  Besides, those who I think deserve answers to their questions to me already have them.  Liars such you do not deserve them.   Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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Dear Jay Stevens, Thanks for your candid response. There is no intelligent Diabetes life at mantra.com, — Jim Dumas T1 4/86, background retinopathy, rarely hypoglycemic: <1/mo. lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, typically <6% HbA1c

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Eli Lilly set to trigger price war By V. Phani Kumar, in Mumbai Business Standard January 3, 2003 At a time when several Indian pharmaceutical companies are making their presence felt in the global markets by undercutting prices, US-based Eli Lilly is planning to do the same in India. The company wants to introduce a new anti-diabetes drug in India, the world’s largest diabetes drugs market, at almost one-third the price of available drugs. The company’s move is likely to kick off a major price war in the rapidly growing diabetes market in India, particularly among multinationals. The exact pricing and other details of Eli Lilly’s drug, however, could not be ascertained because they will be announced later on Friday. Currently, Knoll Pharma, Aventis Pharma and US Vitamins are the largest players in the domestic anti-diabetes segment. Eli Lilly’s drug could prove to be a boon for the large number of diabetes patients in India. Industry analysts said there were over 20 million diabetes patients in India, a number expected to grow to almost 60 million in 20 years. The domestic anti-diabetes drugs market is growing at over 25 per cent per annum, and is one of the fastest growing segments. What is worse is that most diabetic patients in India are not diagnosed. Industry experts suspect that about two out of three people in urban India and three out of four in rural India suffer from the ailment. Hence, the potential of the market growing at an exponential rate is high. The introduction of its anti-diabetes drug is only one of the initiatives Eli Lilly has lined up for India. The company recently launched Xigris, a new drug for sepsis, an ailment caused by blood poisoning. Officials said the company was also looking at launching drugs to treat erectile dysfunction and mesothelioma (cancer of lung caused by asbestos fibres). Eli Lilly, which operated in India through a 50:50 joint venture with Ranbaxy, had bought out Ranbaxy’s stake in its Indian subsidiary in 2001 for Rs 72.7 crore (Rs 727 million). Read the complete news at: http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jan/03drug.htm News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 16 Vaishakh 5104, Friday, May 16, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Shukr Vasara Yuktayam Anuradha Nakshatr Parigh-Shiv Yog      Kaulav-Taitil Karan Pratham-Dvitiya Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live voice telephone number.

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Take it easy at the outset You should ideally go in for a check-up before you start exercising, as it is a basic safety precaution. Sometimes, borderline cases of people suffering from ailments like high blood pressure, diabetes etc. do not know about their ailment, says Anup Deb Nath The Tribune Sunday, January 17, 1999 Some more questions and answers on keeping fit. Do I need to exercise? Exercise, undoubtedly, has many benefits, but in order to achieve them we must remember to follow the fitness programme correctly. This means doing the correct exercise, at the correct time and pace and sustaining it for the required duration. Among the questions that are often asked by first time exercisers are those that pertain basically to these basic queries. I am 28 years old and am planning an exercise programme. I do not suffer from any ailment, but as I have never exercised before, could you tell me if I should consult a doctor before starting? I have been warned about muscle soreness after exercising. Can I avoid it? You should, ideally, go in for check-up before you start exercising, as it is a basic safety precaution. Sometimes, borderline cases of people suffering from ailments like high blood pressure, diabetes etc. do not know about their ailment. The exercise programme should be geared towards your existing physical condition. Muscle soreness is often a side-effect of starting the body on a new regime rather abruptly. Minor stiffness is common and is to be expected when you begin but soreness means going overboard and overdoing it. As you have not been exercising earlier you will have to take a few precautions. Remember to take it easy when you begin and try to go slow. Try not to be over-ambitious and reach for the stars. If you plan on a long-term exercise routine you will tend not to rush. Rushing it will mean the end of your exercising. Ideally, you can start by just walking and then increasing it till you are walking briskly. Your body will get accustomed to some exercise. If you want to start directly with your aerobic class or gym, then just remember to go slow and keep your workout to the lowest intensity possible for a few days and then gradually increase the intensity. Also, be careful that your exercise routine begins with a warm-up and some stretches and ends with a cool-down and stretches. There are many people who skip both or one of these parts thinking them to be redundant. The warm-up and cool down are both very important parts of the workout as the warm-up prepares the body for the exercise that is to follow while the cool down helps the body go back to its normal resting position slowly. Stretches help in limbering up the muscles and increasing flexibility and are a great way to reduce any muscles injury. Remember, though, to hold your stretch for as long as you can. Is exercising risky for older people? Any healthy person can exercise no matter what their age. In fact older people need the exercise as much if not more as with age come the problems of arthritis, stiffening of joints, poor circulation, obesity and heart problems. Exercise may not take away these problems. It can certainly help in pushing them away or reducing chances of their onset. Exercise is a must; the difference will be in the type of exercise that the older people should and can do. If you are healthy and have been regular with your exercise you can continue with it. There are many people, who may be over 50 but they go to a gym, use the treadmill, or the cycle or they train with weights. If you have been exercising right through it is easy to keep it up and unless you develop any health problem or your doctor recommends it, you need not stop. For those who have never been exercising but keep good health, a walk, yog or simple callisthenics exercises will also suffice. If you have a health problem then you need your doctor’s guidance to work out the type of exercise best suited to your condition. Are there any benefits of exercise? The most obvious and popular benefit of exercise is its ability to help you reduce weight. Exercise helps you burn calories which are stored as fat by the body. With regular exercise your body’s metabolic rate increases. Exercise also helps in improving your body’s cardiovascular functioning, boosts blood circulation, and helps you keep many ailments at bay. Read the complete news at: http://www.tribuneindia.com News Plus http://www.mantra.com/newsplus Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 15 Vaishakh 5104, Thursday, May 15, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Nartana Ritau      Vrishabh Mase Krishna Pakshe Guru Vasara Yuktayam Vaishakh Nakshatr Variyan-Parigh Yog      Vishti-Balav Karan Poornima-Pratham Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. 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Peace be with you What is a muslim? Simple: To be a Muslim you must: 1) Believe in a One God that is all powerful, and the Creator of everything there is. 2) Believe that God has contacted us via messages by His messengers: Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and finally Mohammed. In addition to many others. 3) Believe that the Quran is God’s literal word. Meaning each word comes from Him. That can be verified by a detailed study of the Quran and what it implies. One gets the impression that no human being could have possibly written such a book. 4) Believe that God will judge us after death based on our deeds and the choices we make in life. 5) Believe in doing good and avoiding evil to the best of your ability.These are the basic beliefs that you must have to be a Muslim. According to this, all prophets conveyed the same message (including Moses and Jesus, who the Quran says was human). There are many details to practicing Islam, like how to pray and how to fast, the implementation of those make you a better Muslim. Testimonies of Women and Men who have Embraced Islam http://www.thetruereligion.org/converts.htm An invitation to the truth http://www.hyahya.org/ MUSLIM SCIENTISTS, MATHEMATICIANS AND ASTRONOMERS Beore European Renaissance, 700 – 1500 C.E http://cyberistan.org/islamic/ Quran simple search http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html Quran by Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Pickthall http://www.al-quran.org.uk/ Let me suggest you some books on Islam. 1) Qu’ran commentary by Muhammad Asad 2) "The Life of Muhammad" by M. Haykal 3) "The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Islam.by Yahiya Emerick" 4)"Islam Between East and West" by Alija Ali Izetbegovic" 5) "Islam (2nd ed.)" by Fazlur Rahman Islimic message board below A Religion of Peace and Justice http://forums.delphiforums.com/islamispeace/start Islamic Discussions http://forums.delphiforums.com/Islamic1/start Islam http://forums.about.com/n/main.asp?webtag=ab-islam&nav=start&prettyur… The Last Sermon of Prophet Muhammad May the Mercy and Peace of Almighty God be upon him This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of the month of Dhul-Hijjah in the Tenth Year of the Hijrah (i.e. the Prophet’s forced migration from Mecca to Medina) in the ‘Uranah Valley of Arafat, near Mecca. After praising and thanking Almighty God (Arabic: Allah), the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "O People lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.O People just as you regard this month, this day and this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. ALMIGHTY GOD has forbidden you to take interest (Arabic: riba), therefore all financial obligations involving interest shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Almighty God has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib (the Prophet’s uncle) be waived. Every right arising out of homicide in pre-Islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that I waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al- Harithibn. O men, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order to make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God has made permissible. With Almighty God, the months are twelve in number.Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban. Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things. O People it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women,but they also have right over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God’s trust and with His permission. If they abide by your rights, then to them belong the right to be fed and clothed in kindness.Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in ernest, worship ALMIGHTY GOD, say your five daily prayers fast during month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in charity (Arabic: Zakat) and perform Hajj if you can afford to. All of mankind comes from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor does a black have any superiority over a white — except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Almighty God and answer for your deeds. So beware and do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand the words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things: the QUR’AN and my SUNNAH,and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O GOD, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people." letter of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) to the monks of a St. Catherine monastery in Mt. Sinai. The letter is cited below *"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. *Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. *No compulsion is to be on them. *Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. *No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. *Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. *No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. *The Muslims are to fight for them. *If a female Christian is married to a muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.*Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. *No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)." Peace – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Take it easy at the outset > You should ideally go in for a check-up > before you start exercising, as it is a > basic safety precaution. Sometimes, borderline > cases of people suffering from ailments like > high blood pressure, diabetes etc. do not know > about their ailment, says Anup Deb Nath > The Tribune > Sunday, January 17, 1999 > Some more questions and answers on keeping fit. > Do I need to exercise? > Exercise, undoubtedly, has many benefits, but in order to > achieve them we must remember to follow the fitness > programme correctly. This means doing the correct > exercise, at the correct time and pace and sustaining it > for the required duration. > Among the questions that are often asked by first time > exercisers are those that pertain basically to these > basic queries. > I am 28 years old and am planning an exercise programme. > I do not suffer from any ailment, but as I have never > exercised before, could you tell me if I should consult a > doctor before starting? I have been warned about muscle > soreness after exercising. Can I avoid it? > You should, ideally, go in for check-up before you start > exercising, as it is a basic safety precaution. > Sometimes, borderline cases of people suffering from > ailments like high blood pressure, diabetes etc. do not > know about their ailment. The exercise programme should > be geared towards your existing physical condition. > Muscle soreness is often a side-effect of starting the > body on a new regime rather abruptly. Minor stiffness is > common and is to be expected when you begin but soreness > means going overboard and overdoing it. > As you have not been exercising earlier you will have to > take a few precautions. Remember to take it easy when you > begin and try to go slow. Try not to be over-ambitious > and reach for the stars. If you plan on a long-term > exercise routine you will tend not to rush. Rushing it > will mean the end of your exercising. > Ideally, you can start by just walking and then > increasing it till you are walking briskly. Your body > will get accustomed to some exercise. If you want to > start directly with your aerobic class or gym, then just > remember to go slow and keep your workout to the lowest > intensity possible for a few days and then gradually > increase the intensity. > Also, be careful that your exercise routine begins with a > warm-up and some stretches and ends with a cool-down and > stretches. There are many people who skip both or one of > these parts thinking them to be redundant. > The warm-up and cool down are both very

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> Peace be with you > What is a muslim?

Have you taken the time to report this kind of abuse to YOUR newsgroup?   Have you supported you own newsgroup with a report to this abusers internet server????? Are you one of todays people that only looks at the show????  Too stupid Wellll,,,,, just enjoy reading this kind of crap over and over and know who you really are.   What you really are….. and it is just as bad or worse than the poster of this kind of crap over and over. Harv

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Harvey From another ‘group: Please check postings from Craig West, Katela_Lund, Jai Maharaj and Habshi. Once they stop their "gem" postings I will do the same.  Till then who cares if you get annoyed. Learn to live with it. Maher Unfortunately, Maher is as fanatical as Jay Stevens aka Jai. It is his intent to follow jay and it is all about religious bigotry on both sides masked as high outrage – as if either side had clean hands in what they are really talking about. Just another example of how religion is used as an excuse to justify extreme behavior. Xenophobia by any name… Very Sad Be Well Paul Maher is posting off of teranews w/hotmail addy. tera is known to be ‘easy’ on this stuff…

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And he was reported to his server and will continue to be reported as long as he continues to post off topic subjects and discussion in this newsgroup.  The internet may be free but it has rules. Harv

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>Unfortunately, Maher is as fanatical as Jay Stevens aka Jai.

You need to stop quoting the entirety of a post I had killfiled. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200′ elevation. NY WO G

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> Source of article at end. > 13-Mar-2003 > March 2003 – Organically or sustainably grown berries and corn contain > up to 58 percent more polyphenolics, natural antioxidants that are a > natural defense for plants and may be good for our health, according > to a new study by researchers at the University of California, Davis. > The work suggests that pesticides and herbicides may actually reduce > the production of polyphenolics by plants.

<snip> Thanks!  Very interesting! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account

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>I  grow a black berry that was a developed variety.  If you do not

fertilize it heavily it will fade away in a couple of years. Another variety I have will grow on rocks.   Of course the first variety produces very good fruit.   There is a variety of onion that is grown in an area of Georgia.  It is very sweet.  Take the same and grow it here and it is not so good. There are a lot of issues there that confuse me.  But growing things sure give you an insight into our nature.   Some varieties of tomato grow and bear and die.  Nothing changes this. Others will go on and on.   Growing things sure put our feet on the ground as far as the nature of living things.   Some top people seem to totally unaware of the realities.  Diabetes understanding is a failure unless we put it in the proper frame. Could our migration be a problem in disease.                                                  Guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Source of article at end. > 13-Mar-2003 > March 2003 – Organically or sustainably grown berries and corn contain > up to 58 percent more polyphenolics, natural antioxidants that are a > natural defense for plants and may be good for our health, according > to a new study by researchers at the University of California, Davis. > The work suggests that pesticides and herbicides may actually reduce > the production of polyphenolics by plants. ><snip> >Thanks!  Very interesting!

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G’day G’day Mark,    Thanks once again for an excellent and most relevant article.    You sure keep finding them. A lot of general readers might be wondering what’s the significance of polyphenols.  Sure Vit C most people are acquainted with but hey that comes in chewable tablets anyhow so what is all the fuss about higher polyphenols in organic foods.  On reading this article you will notice that foods with high polyphenols tend also to have high antioxidant properties and a high antiproliferation factor.   BTW   One, two, three … I’m counting the seconds it takes for someone to remind me they can’t eat this fruit or that fruit because the carbs will spike them.  Organically grown flax FIBRE has over 1% polyphenols so my guess is it leaves all these fruit for dead in the polyphenol stakes and it has about 1% available carbs so the consumer can have total control over how much carb they add. Best wishes for another fun day, 1: J Agric Food Chem  2002 Dec 4;50(25):7449-54   Antioxidant and antiproliferative activities of common fruits.   Sun J, Chu YF, Wu X, Liu RH.   Department of Food Science, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853-7201, USA.   Consumption of fruits and vegetables has been associated with reduced risk of chronic diseases such as cardiovascular disease and cancer. Phytochemicals, especially phenolics, in fruits and vegetables are suggested to be the major bioactive compounds for the health benefits. However, the phenolic contents and their antioxidant activities in fruits and vegetables were underestimated in the literature, because bound phenolics were not included. This study was designed to investigate the profiles of total phenolics, including both soluble free and bound forms in common fruits, by applying solvent extraction, base digestion, and solid-phase extraction methods. Cranberry had the highest total phenolic content, followed by apple, red grape, strawberry, pineapple, banana, peach, lemon, orange, pear, and grapefruit. Total antioxidant activity was measured using the TOSC assay. Cranberry had the highest total antioxidant activity (177.0 +/- 4.3 micromol of vitamin C equiv/g of fruit), followed by apple, red grape, strawberry, peach, lemon, pear, banana, orange, grapefruit, and pineapple. Antiproliferation activities were also studied in vitro using HepG(2) human liver-cancer cells, and cranberry showed the highest inhibitory effect with an EC(50) of 14.5 +/- 0.5 mg/mL, followed by lemon, apple, strawberry, red grape, banana, grapefruit, and peach. A bioactivity index (BI) for dietary cancer prevention is proposed to provide a new alternative biomarker for future epidemiological studies in dietary cancer prevention and health promotion.   PMID: 12452674 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]   This post not CC’d by email – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Source of article at end. >13-Mar-2003 >March 2003 – Organically or sustainably grown berries and corn contain >up to 58 percent more polyphenolics, natural antioxidants that are a >natural defense for plants and may be good for our health, according >to a new study by researchers at the University of California, Davis. >The work suggests that pesticides and herbicides may actually reduce >the production of polyphenolics by plants. >"This really opens the door to more research in this area," said >Alyson Mitchell, assistant professor of food science at UC Davis, who >led the research team. The researchers compared levels of total >polyphenolics and ascorbic acid content in marionberries (a type of >blackberry) and corn grown organically, sustainably or conventionally, >and in strawberries grown sustainably or conventionally. The fruits >and corn used were frozen, freeze-dried or air-dried. >Frozen sustainably-grown and organic marionberries and corn contained >50 to 58 percent more polyphenolics than conventionally grown crops >from neighboring plots. Sustainably-grown frozen strawberries >contained 19 percent more polyphenolics than conventional fruit. >Sustainably-grown and organic produce also had higher levels of >ascorbic acid. >Frozen fruit and corn tended to have higher levels of polyphenolics >than freeze-dried or air-dried foods. >The polyphenolics in the organic crops were at levels you would expect >to see in wild plants, suggesting that pesticide use reduces the need >for plants to make these chemicals, Mitchell said. >Polyphenolics are natural chemicals produced by plants as by products >of other processes. When plants are stressed, for example by insects, >they produce higher levels of polyphenolics, which can taste bitter, >to drive away pests. >Studies show that eating a diet rich in fruit and vegetables, which is >high in polyphenolics can reduce the risk of some cancers and heart >disease. But scientists don’t know exactly how polyphenolics cause >these effects. >"We know they’re beneficial, but we don’t know what types of >polyphenolics are beneficial , or in what quantities," Mitchell said. >The organic foods were grown according to the definition set by the >U.S. Department of Agriculture, without artificial pesticides or >fertilizers used in conventional farming. Sustainably-grown produce >was grown with artificial fertilizers, but without pesticides. >Total polyphenolics levels were slightly higher in sustainably grown >produce, suggesting that a combination of organic and conventional >practices yields the highest levels. Crops grown without using >pesticides or herbicides might make more polyphenolics because they >are more likely to be stressed by insects or other pests, Mitchell >said. >"This may reflect the balance between adequate nutrition in the form >of fertilizers and external pest pressures because of the lack of >pesticides and herbicides," she said. >The research, which was partly supported by a gift from Oregon >Freeze-Dry Inc., was published in the Feb. 26 edition of the Journal >of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. >Source: University of California

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Source of article at end. 13-Mar-2003 March 2003 – Organically or sustainably grown berries and corn contain up to 58 percent more polyphenolics, natural antioxidants that are a natural defense for plants and may be good for our health, according to a new study by researchers at the University of California, Davis. The work suggests that pesticides and herbicides may actually reduce the production of polyphenolics by plants. "This really opens the door to more research in this area," said Alyson Mitchell, assistant professor of food science at UC Davis, who led the research team. The researchers compared levels of total polyphenolics and ascorbic acid content in marionberries (a type of blackberry) and corn grown organically, sustainably or conventionally, and in strawberries grown sustainably or conventionally. The fruits and corn used were frozen, freeze-dried or air-dried. Frozen sustainably-grown and organic marionberries and corn contained 50 to 58 percent more polyphenolics than conventionally grown crops from neighboring plots. Sustainably-grown frozen strawberries contained 19 percent more polyphenolics than conventional fruit. Sustainably-grown and organic produce also had higher levels of ascorbic acid. Frozen fruit and corn tended to have higher levels of polyphenolics than freeze-dried or air-dried foods. The polyphenolics in the organic crops were at levels you would expect to see in wild plants, suggesting that pesticide use reduces the need for plants to make these chemicals, Mitchell said. Polyphenolics are natural chemicals produced by plants as by products of other processes. When plants are stressed, for example by insects, they produce higher levels of polyphenolics, which can taste bitter, to drive away pests. Studies show that eating a diet rich in fruit and vegetables, which is high in polyphenolics can reduce the risk of some cancers and heart disease. But scientists don’t know exactly how polyphenolics cause these effects. "We know they’re beneficial, but we don’t know what types of polyphenolics are beneficial , or in what quantities," Mitchell said. The organic foods were grown according to the definition set by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, without artificial pesticides or fertilizers used in conventional farming. Sustainably-grown produce was grown with artificial fertilizers, but without pesticides. Total polyphenolics levels were slightly higher in sustainably grown produce, suggesting that a combination of organic and conventional practices yields the highest levels. Crops grown without using pesticides or herbicides might make more polyphenolics because they are more likely to be stressed by insects or other pests, Mitchell said. "This may reflect the balance between adequate nutrition in the form of fertilizers and external pest pressures because of the lack of pesticides and herbicides," she said. The research, which was partly supported by a gift from Oregon Freeze-Dry Inc., was published in the Feb. 26 edition of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. Source: University of California

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Hi, I certainly agree also about Google. I remember T/l saying *Google is your friend. Use it* – and I do so for an average 2 hours a day, researching insulins, LADA, glycemic index, etc. — Al, Melton Mowbray, uk, LADA dx Jan97 Control basal/Insulatard bolus/Novorapid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I agree. Google is a wonderful tool. > I use it all the time.  Doctor has prescribed a new med? Google for > it – lots of info on how it works, generic name, contra-indications, > adverse reactions, the lot.  Just entering the word "Diabetes" can > bring up lots of informative sites.  Just avoid the obvious > "selling" sites. > Annette > From Guy Williams > The use of Google or any search tool can be an > experience.  Just search on any work related to > diabetes and follow some of them for a while. > Google has a groups section and I can look at the > archives of these groups.  You can search on author, > subject and a couple of other ways.  Look at advanced > Group Search  to look the methods you can use. > I go to groups  then Alt    then find this group and > select the way I want to search.  Very interesting > reading — the way some things develop. > www.google.com  is the way to go. Posted for newbies >                                  Guy

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I use Google so much for so many things that I have the Google toolbar added to my browser (IE). bj

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Hi, I set it to home page, so I don`t have even to wait for it to load! — Al, Melton Mowbray, uk, LADA dx Jan97 Control basal/Insulatard bolus/Novorapid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I use Google so much for so many things that I have the Google toolbar added > to my browser (IE). > bj > I agree. Google is a wonderful tool.

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>I use Google so much for so many things that I have the Google toolbar added >to my browser (IE).

Yes, unfortunately, it only works with IE.  But fortunately, that’s my browser of choice.  I love the toolbar!  Here’s where you can get it: http://toolbar.google.com/ Carol — Type 2, dx May 15,1995 Low Carb Eating Plan Stretching Exercises and Walking

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From Guy Williams > The use of Google or any search tool can be an > experience.  Just search on any work related to > diabetes and follow some of them for a while. > Google has a groups section and I can look at the > archives of these groups.  You can search on author, > subject and a couple of other ways.  Look at advanced > Group Search  to look the methods you can use. > I go to groups  then Alt    then find this group and > select the way I want to search.  Very interesting > reading — the way some things develop. > www.google.com  is the way to go. Posted for newbies >                                  Guy

in things we are familiar with thing. My teenager had been telling me during all that time that search.com was a waste of time, wouldn’t produce nearly the number of hits that google does. Of course, I have a stubborn streak, and wouldn’t change my ways. One day, I decided to google instead of search.  OH MY!! I am hooked for life. One drawback,  an innocent little google can turn into a sinful amount of hours sitting in front of the computer. Marie, Caretaker Mom T2 Dx 3/2002

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From Guy Williams The use of Google or any search tool can be an experience.  Just search on any work related to diabetes and follow some of them for a while. Google has a groups section and I can look at the archives of these groups.  You can search on author, subject and a couple of other ways.  Look at advanced Group Search  to look the methods you can use. I go to groups  then Alt    then find this group and select the way I want to search.  Very interesting reading — the way some things develop. www.google.com  is the way to go. Posted for newbies                                  Guy

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I agree. Google is a wonderful tool. I use it all the time.  Doctor has prescribed a new med? Google for it – lots of info on how it works, generic name, contra-indications, adverse reactions, the lot.  Just entering the word "Diabetes" can bring up lots of informative sites.  Just avoid the obvious "selling" sites. Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From Guy Williams > The use of Google or any search tool can be an > experience.  Just search on any work related to > diabetes and follow some of them for a while. > Google has a groups section and I can look at the > archives of these groups.  You can search on author, > subject and a couple of other ways.  Look at advanced > Group Search  to look the methods you can use. > I go to groups  then Alt    then find this group and > select the way I want to search.  Very interesting > reading — the way some things develop. > www.google.com  is the way to go. Posted for newbies >                                  Guy

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In short, wheat germ oil.  Or even just wheat germ – lots of good stuff in it.  Just remember to keep it cool – it goes rancid easily. Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Free Radic Res 2002 Dec;36(12):1331-6 > Oxidative stress, inflammation, and diabetic vasculopathies: the role of > alpha tocopherol therapy. > Jialal I, Devaraj S, Venugopal SK > Laboratory for Atherosclerosis and Metabolic Research, Department of > Pathology, UC Davis Medical Center, Sacramento, CA, USA. > [Medline record in process] > The diabetic state confers an increased propensity to accelerated > atherogenesis. In addition to the established risk factors, there is > evidence for increased oxidative stress and inflammation in diabetes. > Increased oxidative stress is manifested by increased lipid peroxidation > (e.g. increased F2-isoprostanes) and increased DNA damage. Evidence for > increased inflammation includes increased monocyte superoxide and > pro-inflammatory cytokine release (IL-1, IL-6, and TNF-alpha), increased > monocyte adhesion to endothelium and increased levels of plasma C-reactive > protein, the prototypic marker of inflammation. Most importantly, alpha > tocopherol therapy, especially at high doses, clearly shows a benefit with > regards to LDL oxidation, isoprostanes and a decrease in inflammatory > markers such as C-reactive protein, pro-inflammatory cytokines and PAI-1 > levels. Thus, it appears that, in diabetes, alpha tocopherol therapy could > emerge as an additional therapeutic modality. > PMID: 12607825, UI: 22493786 > —- > Who loves ya. > Tom > — > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com > Man Is A Herbivore!

http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING

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Free Radic Res 2002 Dec;36(12):1331-6 Oxidative stress, inflammation, and diabetic vasculopathies: the role of alpha tocopherol therapy. Jialal I, Devaraj S, Venugopal SK Laboratory for Atherosclerosis and Metabolic Research, Department of Pathology, UC Davis Medical Center, Sacramento, CA, USA. [Medline record in process] The diabetic state confers an increased propensity to accelerated atherogenesis. In addition to the established risk factors, there is evidence for increased oxidative stress and inflammation in diabetes. Increased oxidative stress is manifested by increased lipid peroxidation (e.g. increased F2-isoprostanes) and increased DNA damage. Evidence for increased inflammation includes increased monocyte superoxide and pro-inflammatory cytokine release (IL-1, IL-6, and TNF-alpha), increased monocyte adhesion to endothelium and increased levels of plasma C-reactive protein, the prototypic marker of inflammation. Most importantly, alpha tocopherol therapy, especially at high doses, clearly shows a benefit with regards to LDL oxidation, isoprostanes and a decrease in inflammatory markers such as C-reactive protein, pro-inflammatory cytokines and PAI-1 levels. Thus, it appears that, in diabetes, alpha tocopherol therapy could emerge as an additional therapeutic modality. PMID: 12607825, UI: 22493786 —- Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what dose does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in the US and not in the UK? Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only please.

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> Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what dose > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in the > US and not in the UK? > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > please.

You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not banned in the US. Do some research before making unfounded claims. Vicki

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> Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what dose > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in the > US and not in the UK? > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > please. > You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not > banned in the US. > Do some research before making unfounded claims.

Backed up facts only, please.

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>Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what dose >does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in the >US and not in the UK? >Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only >please.

    It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. Regards   Old Al

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose > > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in > the > > US and not in the UK? > > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > > please. > You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not > banned in the US. > Do some research before making unfounded claims. > Backed up facts only, please.

You have an Internet connection, do your own research if answers here do not suit you! Take your agenda somewhere else.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose >> > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in > the >> > US and not in the UK? >> > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only >> > please. >> You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not >> banned in the US. >> Do some research before making unfounded claims. > Backed up facts only, please. > You have an Internet connection, do your own research if answers here do > not suit you! Take your agenda somewhere else.

I didn’t say they didn’t suit me, merely that I was looking for fact rather than opinion. If everyone with a fear of issues pertaining to diabetes were happy simply searching the internet, this newsgroup would not exist. I assumed at the very least I would find a friendly voice.  That really doesn’t seem to be the case.

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>Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose >does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in the >US and not in the UK? >Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only >please. >     It’s an amino acid necessary for human life.

Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way?

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cc’d by email What type of a game are you runn ing? you come in with a ridiculous scare-mongering statement about an amino acid When your assinine statement is questioned  you complain that the person did not post "backed up facts" THEN you make an equally ridiculous statement. YES it is dangerous, EVERYTHING is dangerous if misused – what are you doing with the stuff? – taking enemas ?  droppong blocks out of airplanes? using it as medicine? please stock to backed up facts – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what >dose >>does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in > the >>US and not in the UK? >>Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only >>please. >    It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. > Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way?

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Check out: Merck Darmstadt: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q19B12C83 for safety details. Jan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose > >does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in > the > >US and not in the UK? > >Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > >please. >     It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. > Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way?

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> cc’d by email > What type of a game are you runn ing? > you come in with a ridiculous scare-mongering statement about an amino acid > When your assinine statement is questioned  you complain that the person > did not post "backed up facts"

To be fair, I didn’t complain.  I asked for backed up facts only.  I saw little need to reply in the first place if that wasn’t going to be the case. > THEN you make an equally ridiculous statement. > YES it is dangerous, EVERYTHING is dangerous if misused

The misuse comes in the manufacturing.  If I choose to drink a bottle of white spirit, I am perfectly aware that will do me great harm.  If I buy my son a bottle of Orange squash, I am very LESS aware of the harmful side effects.  Hence my post. > – what are you > doing with the stuff? – taking enemas ?  droppong blocks out of > airplanes? using it as medicine? > please stock to backed up facts

Please ask nicely.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose > > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in > the > > US and not in the UK? > > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > > please. > You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not > banned in the US. > Do some research before making unfounded claims. > Backed up facts only, please.

Looks like Mad Betty has incited her ignorant moronic minions to do some trolling. If you’re too lazy or too stupid to do your own research, don’t expect those here to do it for you. We have more important things to concern ourselves with than a half-witted outlandish claim by someone who has an agenda. IOW, go away! Vicki

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> Check out: > Merck Darmstadt: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q19B12C83 for safety

details. Thanks, Jan.  I checked out the safety information but it seems chemical driven rather than consumer.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose > > > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in > the > > > US and not in the UK? > > > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > > > please. > > You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not > > banned in the US. > > Do some research before making unfounded claims. > Backed up facts only, please. > Looks like Mad Betty has incited her ignorant moronic minions to do some > trolling. > If you’re too lazy or too stupid to do your own research, don’t expect > those here to do it for you. We have more important things to concern > ourselves with

Such as gobbing off in a newsgroup at people genuinely offering or seeking information?  lol You really are a very sad individual.  How many support groups are you subscribed to, exactly? "Hi, my name’s Vicki and I’m incapable of cracking a smile"

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>>     It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. > Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way?

  In the quantities anyone normally encounters it, Phenylalanine is only harmful to phenylketonurics — that is, the 0.01% of the population with the recessive mutation responsible for a lack of phenylalanine hydroxylase.   And before you ask, it’s not possible to be phenylketonuric without being aware of it — symptoms begin within a few weeks of birth. Colin Percival

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> The misuse comes in the manufacturing.  If I choose to drink a bottle of > white spirit, I am perfectly aware that will do me great harm.  If I buy my > son a bottle of Orange squash, I am very LESS aware of the harmful side > effects.  Hence my post. > – what are you > doing with the stuff? – taking enemas ?  droppong blocks out of > airplanes? using it as medicine? > please stock to backed up facts

What misuse? You’re making claims that you refuse to back up with facts. If you’re not willing to do some legwork, then swim in your own fears. If you think the Orange squash is harmful – DON’T BUY IT! Or better yet – DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Don’t expect those here to confirm your unfounded irrational suspicions. Looks like you’ve been found out. Aspartame trolls stink as soon as their ridiculous posts appear. Vicki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The misuse comes in the manufacturing.  If I choose to drink a bottle of > white spirit, I am perfectly aware that will do me great harm.  If I buy my > son a bottle of Orange squash, I am very LESS aware of the harmful side > effects.  Hence my post. > > – what are you > > doing with the stuff? – taking enemas ?  droppong blocks out of > > airplanes? using it as medicine? > > please stock to backed up facts > What misuse? You’re making claims that you refuse to back up with facts. > If you’re not willing to do some legwork, then swim in your own fears. > If you think the Orange squash is harmful – DON’T BUY IT! Or better yet > – DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Don’t expect those here to confirm your > unfounded irrational suspicions. > Looks like you’ve been found out. Aspartame trolls stink as soon as > their ridiculous posts appear.

Do you have even a vague grip on reality?

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> >>     It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. > Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way? >   In the quantities anyone normally encounters it, Phenylalanine is only > harmful to phenylketonurics — that is, the 0.01% of the population with the > recessive mutation responsible for a lack of phenylalanine hydroxylase. >   And before you ask, it’s not possible to be phenylketonuric without being > aware of it — symptoms begin within a few weeks of birth.

The reasoning behind my post was because I went to the supermarket and purchased a bottle of squash.  My friend looked down her nose and told me I shouldn’t buy it because it contained the discussed chemical which is a proven carcinogenic and banned in the US. Ms Happy up the way seems to think that isn’t the case and to be honest, any information I have gathered from the web is conflicting to say the least.  I appreciate your time.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In > what > > dose > > > > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned > in > > the > > > > US and not in the UK? > > > > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts > only > > > > please. > > > You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not > > > banned in the US. > > > Do some research before making unfounded claims. > > Backed up facts only, please. > Looks like Mad Betty has incited her ignorant moronic minions to do some > trolling. > If you’re too lazy or too stupid to do your own research, don’t expect > those here to do it for you. We have more important things to concern > ourselves with > Such as gobbing off in a newsgroup at people genuinely offering or seeking > information?  lol

Just gobbing off at trolling turds like you. I’m mild compared to some others. Just wait… > You really are a very sad individual.  How many support groups are you > subscribed to, exactly? > "Hi, my name’s Vicki and I’m incapable of cracking a smile"

"Hi, my name’s Tyler, I’ve never posted to this group before, but I wanted to tell everybody that phenylalanine causes cancer but I can’t prove it. I wanted to tell everybody that I’m too stupid to do any research, so I want you to do it for me." How many support groups do you troll in, exactly? Oh, wait! I did some research (do you know what that is?) and came up with exactly what I wanted to know! See, it can be done! FUCK OFF Vicki Laughing at you – Tylerthetroll

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what > dose > >does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in >the > >US and not in the UK? > >Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only > >please. >     It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. >Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way?

   Since it is both used by the body, and rapidly absorbed by the body.  you can overload.    Milk contains about 1 gram per 20 ounce of milk but it is bound in the protein and comes out slowly as the protein digests. When used as a treatment for Parkinson’s or vertiligo, the common dose is 0.5 gram per day though some docs have used up to 1 gram per 10 kg body weight  (4.5 gram per day for 100 lb person) for up to three years as a vertiligo treatment. When used as a supplement, the common dose seems to be 2 gram per day. That is a concentrated dose of the amount contained in 5 glasses of milk. It should be avoided at these dose levels by folks  who:    a.  Have active skin cancer    b.  Suffer from high blood pressure    c.  Take prescription anti-depressants    d.  Are in kidney failure ( folks in kidney failure must seriously limit all protein,  phenylalanine is a component of some protein) Obviously it must be avoided by folks with PKU,  a genetic disorder which renders phenylalanine poorly digestable.  However, they check for PKU at birth so everybody who has it, knows all about this stuff. http://smartbodyz.com/PhenylalanineText.htm   Comment:  The editor of the above cite commented that he personally took it even though he had an active skin cancer.  He said it didn’t seem to make it any worse for several months.   That was rather dumb.    If you have a skin cancer, stop reading this, stand up, go to the telephone, and call your doc. Regards    Old Al

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please? In > what > > > dose > > > > > does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned > in > > > the > > > > > US and not in the UK? > > > > > Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts > only > > > > > please. > > > > You state phenylalanine is a carcinogenic. Cites, please. It is not > > > > banned in the US. > > > > Do some research before making unfounded claims. > > > Backed up facts only, please. > > Looks like Mad Betty has incited her ignorant moronic minions to do some > > trolling. > > If you’re too lazy or too stupid to do your own research, don’t expect > > those here to do it for you. We have more important things to concern > > ourselves with > Such as gobbing off in a newsgroup at people genuinely offering or seeking > information?  lol > Just gobbing off at trolling turds like you. I’m mild compared to some > others. Just wait…

My fear knows no bounds. > You really are a very sad individual.  How many support groups are you > subscribed to, exactly? > "Hi, my name’s Vicki and I’m incapable of cracking a smile" > "Hi, my name’s Tyler, I’ve never posted to this group before, but I > wanted to tell everybody that phenylalanine causes cancer but I can’t > prove it. I wanted to tell everybody that I’m too stupid to do any > research, so I want you to do it for me." > How many support groups do you troll in, exactly?

None. > Oh, wait! I did some > research (do you know what that is?) and came up with exactly what I > wanted to know! See, it can be done!

I take it back, you DO have more important things to do. > FUCK OFF > Vicki > Laughing at you – Tylerthetroll

I was trolled once in a newsgroup by someone who thought it was amusing that my friend’s child was born with Downs Syndrome.  I am only too aware of what it’s like to be "trolled" and whilst I will not deny that you are sufficiently annoying to the point of deserving nothing short of contempt, you are wrong. But then I guess you’re used to that.

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> The reasoning behind my post was because I went to the supermarket and > purchased a bottle of squash.  My friend looked down her nose and told me I > shouldn’t buy it because it contained the discussed chemical which is a > proven carcinogenic and banned in the US.

  It’s a popular myth.  I think people read "Phenylketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine" (which is a legally required label in many places) and assume that the warning wouldn’t be there if phenylalanine wasn’t dangerous.   (Which is quite true; it is dangerous, just not to the general public.) Colin Percival

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Please could anyone advise me about this carcinogenic, please?  In what >> dose >> >does it become dangerous?  Or is it all dangerous?  Why is it banned in >the >> >US and not in the UK? >> >Scare mongering seems popular in here, so I’d like backed up facts only >> >please. >>     It’s an amino acid necessary for human life. >Thank you, Al.  So it isn’t harmful in any way? >    Since it is both used by the body, and rapidly absorbed by the body. you > can overload. >    Milk contains about 1 gram per 20 ounce of milk but it is bound in the > protein and comes out slowly as the protein digests. > When used as a treatment for Parkinson’s or vertiligo, the common dose is > 0.5 gram per day though some docs have used up to 1 gram per 10 kg body > weight  (4.5 gram per day for 100 lb person) for up to three years as a > vertiligo treatment. > When used as a supplement, the common dose seems to be 2 gram per day. > That is a concentrated dose of the amount contained in 5 glasses of milk. > It should be avoided at these dose levels by folks  who: >    a.  Have active skin cancer >    b.  Suffer from high blood pressure >    c.  Take prescription anti-depressants >    d.  Are in kidney failure ( folks in kidney failure must seriously limit > all protein,  phenylalanine is a component of some protein) > Obviously it must be avoided by folks with PKU,  a genetic disorder which > renders phenylalanine poorly digestable.  However, they check for PKU at > birth so everybody who has it, knows all about this stuff. > http://smartbodyz.com/PhenylalanineText.htm >   Comment:  The editor of the above cite commented that he personally took > it even though he had an active skin cancer.  He said it didn’t seem to make > it any worse for several months. >   That was rather dumb.    If you have a skin cancer, stop reading this, > stand up, go to the telephone, and call your doc.

lol!  Thankfully that’s not the case [of at least I don't think it is] Al, in light of current "thread opinion" I’d really like to thank you for the info. Much appreciated

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> > The reasoning behind my post was because I went to the supermarket and > purchased a bottle of squash.  My friend looked down her nose and told me I > shouldn’t buy it because it contained the discussed chemical which is a > proven carcinogenic and banned in the US. >   It’s a popular myth.  I think people read "Phenylketonurics: Contains > Phenylalanine" (which is a legally required label in many places)

Not here, unfortunately.  The best we get is "Contains a source of Phenylalanine" in capital letters. It just bugs me that I’m not being allowed to make an educated judgement about what I feed my son.  Often the most help some morons can manage is "well don’t buy it then" but why should I deny my son what every other kid has, just because I’m uneducated in the facts? Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to look these things up on the web, or ask in a newsgroup. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> and assume > that the warning wouldn’t be there if phenylalanine wasn’t dangerous. > (Which is quite true; it is dangerous, just not to the general public.)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The misuse comes in the manufacturing.  If I choose to drink a bottle of > white spirit, I am perfectly aware that will do me great harm.  If I buy my > son a bottle of Orange squash, I am very LESS aware of the harmful side > effects.  Hence my post. > > – what are you > > doing with the stuff? – taking enemas ?  droppong blocks out of > > airplanes? using it as medicine? > > please stock to backed up facts > What misuse? You’re making claims that you refuse to back up with facts. > If you’re not willing to do some legwork, then swim in your own fears. > If you think the Orange squash is harmful – DON’T BUY IT! Or better yet > – DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Don’t expect those here to confirm your > unfounded irrational suspicions. > Looks like you’ve been found out. Aspartame trolls stink as soon as > their ridiculous posts appear. > Vicki

Check out the writing styles Vicki, an untrained ape can see that the posts from Tyler are not by ‘me’, if that is what you were implying  !!!

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>The reasoning behind my post was because I went to the supermarket and >purchased a bottle of squash.  My friend looked down her nose and told me I >shouldn’t buy it because it contained the discussed chemical which is a >proven carcinogenic and banned in the US.

    Quick, quick, find your friend and tell her how to avoid  Phenylalanine Food sources, i.e:    Apple, apricot, figs, peach, pear, persimmon, strawberry, tomato.   All vegetables (except lettuce and radish) Grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, meat, fish, eggs, chicken, cheese and milk products in general.  She must be a skinny little thing if she practices what she preaches. Regards   Old Al

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I’m new to the BPII diagnosis, new to this group, and overwhelmed by all of this — but, then, what else is new?  Went on Lithium, of course, but couldn’t stand it after about ten days.  I felt literally poisoned; unable to move my muscles.  My psychopharmachologist had me stop the Lithium and start taking 3000mg a day of Phenylalanine (a nonprescription aminoacid) and 100mg Vitamin B-6, together with my usual 35mg of Paxil.  After ten days of this I’m starting to get a similar feeling to the Lithium reaction, i.e. the muscles in my legs and arms are very sore, like after a heavy gym workout, and simple walking or any physical exercise is a major effort, although I don’t feel dopey or drugged.  Do any of you veterans have any experience with this stuff? Did it help?  Could I just sleep with a dead toad under my pillow instead?  What happens if you can’t take Lithium?  I’ve been in a deep down cycle for a couple of months now — and I want out of here! Thanks for your response. — Being a writer of any sort is linked to poor mental health.  Psychosis or manic depression is evident in 80.5% of novelists and 87.5% of playwrights.  54% of playwrights are alcoholic; and 42% are known for their sexual promiscuity. the L.A. Times

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >:I’m new to the BPII diagnosis, new to this group, and overwhelmed by all >:of this — but, then, what else is new?  Went on Lithium, of course, but >:couldn’t stand it after about ten days.  I felt literally poisoned; >:unable to move my muscles.  My psychopharmachologist had me stop the >:Lithium and start taking 3000mg a day of Phenylalanine (a >:nonprescription aminoacid) and 100mg Vitamin B-6, together with my usual >:35mg of Paxil.  After ten days of this I’m starting to get a similar >:feeling to the Lithium reaction, i.e. the muscles in my legs and arms >:are very sore, like after a heavy gym workout, and simple walking or any >:physical exercise is a major effort, although I don’t feel dopey or >:drugged.  Do any of you veterans have any experience with this stuff? >:Did it help?  Could I just sleep with a dead toad under my pillow >:instead?  What happens if you can’t take Lithium?  I’ve been in a deep >:down cycle for a couple of months now — and I want out of here! >:

Hi Neill, I was going to write you anyway tonight, but as you posted……  I’m really glad to see you here on the newsgroups.  I’m terribly sorry the doc’s new ideas didn’t work out…….I know you had high hopes for them.  Have you spoken to your doctor about Depakote, Tegretol or Klonopin?  They are all used in people who can’t tolerate Lithium and has a different effect on each person. I know sweetie that I haven’t been writing as much as I’d have liked. I’ve been doing quite a bit of cycling myself and things change so fast, that I often can’t tell which end is up.  Know that it is not personal and I’ll follow up to our last conversation either tonight or tomorrow at the latest. Hey, even though some of our mail was tough going, I still love ya! Hang in there Neill and I’ll write more soon. Hugs, Barrie

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> bet you’d pee on "officer ted" if you knew the > good he’s done around here, while he’s at best > a bonefined basturd….

I don’t know if I would come on that strong. I will admit that I kill filed Ted after about a week on the two diabetes NGs, but after seeing what he addresses I reinstated his posts. The shills and trolls are a big nuisance and this groups are highly frequented by newbies and others that need to get up on the learning curve. The people that cut and paste some standard advice for newbies have their roles and the NG police have theirs as well. Ted has ideas that are more conservative about the worth of some research, studies, etc. than I do, but I can understand his reservations. It has only been two years since I was diagnosed so I’m not a real veteran. Frank Roy

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bet you’d pee on "officer ted" if you knew the good he’s done around here, while he’s at best a bonefined basturd…. he’s one we can count on to get the facts and properly run away the common troll, snake oil saleman, and pissants that try to shill us for every dime we have left.. Right Guy! so before passing judgement, your correct lurk a bit more, use google and look up Ted’s past posts and the benefit he is to this newsgroup. bashing long time posters and those that have worthwhile contributions won’t get you friends here willing to help you learn to control DM. Good day! — RK T1/Lantus&Novolog/Experimenting Daily! http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org irc://irc.zerolimit.net/diabeticnet

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ignore him I will, and apologies to all for my own snitty temper.  I > get overly upset at being treated rudely, and he is quite rude. > Fact is, I should have lurked around some to learn the group a little > better before asking my question; certainly I now realize that asking > about a specific product or brand is a no-no. > Still, his abusive response was, I continue to think, way out of line. > I wish you all the best, of course.  As for Officer Ted, I wouldn’t > pee on him if he were on fire. >Ted is the self appointed watchdog in this group that probably means well >but lacks the emotional maturity to make his point. At times, he can be a >bigot and resorts to name calling in order to win an argument. >Unfortunately, his emotional outbursts have turned away a few genuine >diabetics and probably more snake oil salesmen in the process. >It is best to ignore him and killfile him. >Mano Govender >> Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes >> cc’d by email

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Ted is the self appointed watchdog in this group that probably means well but lacks the emotional maturity to make his point. At times, he can be a bigot and resorts to name calling in order to win an argument. Unfortunately, his emotional outbursts have turned away a few genuine diabetics and probably more snake oil salesmen in the process. It is best to ignore him and killfile him. Mano Govender

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Ignore him I will, and apologies to all for my own snitty temper.  I get overly upset at being treated rudely, and he is quite rude. Fact is, I should have lurked around some to learn the group a little better before asking my question; certainly I now realize that asking about a specific product or brand is a no-no. Still, his abusive response was, I continue to think, way out of line. I wish you all the best, of course.  As for Officer Ted, I wouldn’t pee on him if he were on fire. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ted is the self appointed watchdog in this group that probably means well >but lacks the emotional maturity to make his point. At times, he can be a >bigot and resorts to name calling in order to win an argument. >Unfortunately, his emotional outbursts have turned away a few genuine >diabetics and probably more snake oil salesmen in the process. >It is best to ignore him and killfile him. >Mano Govender > Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes > cc’d by email

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 If something was really stupid, why would you go out of your way to post it before a wider audience?  "This stuff is so dumb you should avoid it" and then pushing it in our faces do not go well together.  And it’s even sillier to be circumventing the kill filters a lot of people already have on the loon (mine went up before I even delurked back in October) by reposting his words under your own name. The best way to improve the quality of the newsgroup is to post good stuff.  The worst way is to post bad stuff intentionally. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Public key at http://hawthorn.mystarband.net/f-pgp.txt iQA/AwUBPlS+WabqL6lCLyfTEQKkYwCg7f+zxzSP59ufFOgzK4+XDGOAT0MAn1Px lMHtcydPm1garNQVTo3rbtbd =p9Vj —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — "It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder, spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to imagine they only exist in what we      [[ Type 2, diagnosed 2002-10-04, last A1c 7.2 on 2002-12-03 ]]

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Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes   cc’d by email Will, this idiotic shill seems to ignore all the documentation and citations I post And – like most scammers, she thinks that stating a lie will make people think it is so. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->cc’d by email >DO NOT TAKE CHROMIUM PICOLINATE –  IT IS DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTD! >There have been multiple warnings from medical sources to avoid this >dangerous snake oil.  This is a "patent" medicine – produced by a single >fraudulent supplement manufacturer. > [...]

Is he truly the son of God, or does he just behave that way?! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->BULLSHIT >at ANY amount, it is proven > Ted provided no documentation for this claim; he does, however, continue > to send me unsolicited email. I understand that he is an excitable man > with a bad temper, but merely screaming "BULLSHIT" is not enough to > convince me that he is correct. I looked up several studies, and came to > a diffrent conclusion than he did, and apparently that is a grave sin > against Ted. I did not say that I thought anyone else should take it, > despite Ted’s assertion to the contrary in the last unsolicited email he > sent me. If I were trying to sell something, or asserted that everyone > should take a particular supplement, he might be justified in his > shaking rage. Such is not the case, however. > Ted, you might want to go ahead and add me to your killfile. If I get > cancer from the supplement, you can dance on my grave.

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