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> Hey all, > I am hoping to find as much information as possible on the following:  who > and what are the top/leading alternative energy companies in the world and > USA.,and who are the fastest growing in the last 5 years.  What companies > are doing the most research and development in alternative forms of energy? > Any info or references regarding these subjects at all would be greatly > appreciated. > Thank you

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Hey all, I am hoping to find as much information as possible on the following:  who and what are the top/leading alternative energy companies in the world and USA.,and who are the fastest growing in the last 5 years.  What companies are doing the most research and development in alternative forms of energy? Any info or references regarding these subjects at all would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

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Not sure if I understand what you asking;;;;investor profiles and fundamentals????

> Hey all, > I am hoping to find as much information as possible on the following:  who > and what are the top/leading alternative energy companies in the world and > USA.,and who are the fastest growing in the last 5 years.  What companies > are doing the most research and development in alternative forms of energy? > Any info or references regarding these subjects at all would be greatly > appreciated. > Thank you

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>> You could not have prevented it.  You may have been able to > delay it somewhat, but you could not have prevented it. > Skinny people get diabetes, perfect weight persons get diabetes, > overweight people get diabetes.  It’s not something we "give" > to ourselves. > I disagree with this.  There is no guarantee, of course; all kinds of people > do get diabetes, and all kinds of people do not get diabetes.  The reality, > though, is that obesity "can" (not "does") induce diabetes, and that > maintaining a normal weight "can" (not "will") prevent diabetes.  

Yeah, that’s why you shouldn’t point blame.  Your weight MAY have had something to do with the timing, and may not have. The point I’m trying to make is that concentrating on what you may have done is nonproductive, no, counter-productive. > Denial! Denial! Denial!  Maybe if I keep those nosy Medicos out > of my body, I will no longer have diabetes.  Maybe I never really > had it.  The diagnosis was wrong.  They misinterpreted the results. > I deleted my message for the sake of brevity, but it said nothing about > denial!  I did not suggest that the diabetes would go away, that I was > misdiagnosed, or that I could cease treatment of diabetes.  I only said that > I can only carry so much at one time and that I cannot currently bear the > thought of other diseases, disorders, or malfunctions of my body.

I just used the diagnosis of diabetes as an example.  Your actual denial was: > No, you cannot do a liver > function test, no you cannot do a kidney function test, no you cannot > retest my lipid profile, no you can’t look into the back of my eyes.

I am not blaming you for your feelings, but you are short-circuiting your medical team.  They want to do those tests to avoid complications — to catch things early to treat your whole self. In this situation, you are able to deny the things that have not yet been diagnosed. > Ah, those pesky personal relationships.  You’ll need to ignore those > things for a while and concentrate on your feelings about yourself. > Yeah, but it sure is hard to ignore those relationships when I need people the most!

Again: > one who is jealous that I am losing weight and she isn’t, or the one > who is so scared by my fears that he cannot even look me in the eye, > or the one who > yells at me over the single teaspoon of sugar in my single morning cup of > coffee, or the one who cannot cope with being the helper since that’s > been my job for the past 11 years,

*Those* are the things you have to put aside for a while.  They are not helping you — they are detrimental.  Consider whether they are treating you like a friend, whether they really are your friends. Your Dad is a different story.  He gives you strength, support, and love, unconditionally.  I’m so sorry that he’s so far away. Be sure to take him into your heart totally — he will provide that support long after he is gone.   I know, my Dad passed seven years ago, and he still follows me around, helping me, supporting me, giving me love.  He and I are inseparable.  That is a treasure that I will never lose. Jude —         Crouch Enterprises – Telecom, Internet & Unix Consulting       Oak Park, IL  708-848-0134  URL: http://www.pobox.com/~jcrouch

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Thanks Niki.  I appreciate the "long" answer! Sherry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Stands for polycystic ovarian syndrome.  It is a condition where eggs do not > mature and are not released from the ovary, rather remaining there as > "cysts".  It’s a definite chicken and egg sort of problem.  The fact that > the egg is not released causes a deficiency in a hormone that then prevents > the next egg from being released.  It is connected with obesity (there is > controversy over whether the disorder causes obesity or is caused by > obesity) and often precedes endocrine problems like hypothyroidism and type > II diabetes.  Many women who have PCOS have hyperinsulinemia (excess insulin > in their systems), and there is currently experimental use of metformin to > treat PCOS in women with and without diabetes.  My doctor recently suggested > that I remain on metformin to treat this condition even if my blood sugar > stays under control with only diet and exercise.  PCOS normally causes > infertility – I have not researched whether that can be successfully > reversed.  The only treatment I have had for PCOS is to take Provera if my > periods are not regular.  I think it’s most aggressively treated in women > who want to have children.  That was a long answer…..sorry! > What’s PCOS? > Sherry > > <snip> > > maintaining a normal weight "can" (not "will") prevent diabetes.  I > hadseveral > > risk factors, like obesity, bad nutrition, lack of exercise, > familyhistory, > > and PCOS.  I could have chosen to eliminate three of those risk factors, > and I > > did not.  (weight loss may also reverse PCOS.)  I took agamble and I > lost. > > And even if I had "only" delayed the onset of diabetes, > > <snip>

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What’s PCOS? Sherry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > maintaining a normal weight "can" (not "will") prevent diabetes.  I hadseveral > risk factors, like obesity, bad nutrition, lack of exercise, familyhistory, > and PCOS.  I could have chosen to eliminate three of those risk factors, and I > did not.  (weight loss may also reverse PCOS.)  I took agamble and I lost. > And even if I had "only" delayed the onset of diabetes, > <snip>

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Stands for polycystic ovarian syndrome.  It is a condition where eggs do not mature and are not released from the ovary, rather remaining there as "cysts".  It’s a definite chicken and egg sort of problem.  The fact that the egg is not released causes a deficiency in a hormone that then prevents the next egg from being released.  It is connected with obesity (there is controversy over whether the disorder causes obesity or is caused by obesity) and often precedes endocrine problems like hypothyroidism and type II diabetes.  Many women who have PCOS have hyperinsulinemia (excess insulin in their systems), and there is currently experimental use of metformin to treat PCOS in women with and without diabetes.  My doctor recently suggested that I remain on metformin to treat this condition even if my blood sugar stays under control with only diet and exercise.  PCOS normally causes infertility – I have not researched whether that can be successfully reversed.  The only treatment I have had for PCOS is to take Provera if my periods are not regular.  I think it’s most aggressively treated in women who want to have children.  That was a long answer…..sorry!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What’s PCOS? > Sherry > <snip> > maintaining a normal weight "can" (not "will") prevent diabetes.  I hadseveral > risk factors, like obesity, bad nutrition, lack of exercise, familyhistory, > and PCOS.  I could have chosen to eliminate three of those risk factors, and I > did not.  (weight loss may also reverse PCOS.)  I took agamble and I lost. > And even if I had "only" delayed the onset of diabetes, > <snip>

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> You could not have prevented it.  You may have been able to > delay it somewhat, but you could not have prevented it. > Skinny people get diabetes, perfect weight persons get diabetes, > overweight people get diabetes.  It’s not something we "give" > to ourselves.

I disagree with this.  There is no guarantee, of course; all kinds of people do get diabetes, and all kinds of people do not get diabetes.  The reality, though, is that obesity "can" (not "does") induce diabetes, and that maintaining a normal weight "can" (not "will") prevent diabetes.  I had several risk factors, like obesity, bad nutrition, lack of exercise, family history, and PCOS.  I could have chosen to eliminate three of those risk factors, and I did not.  (weight loss may also reverse PCOS.)  I took a gamble and I lost.  And even if I had "only" delayed the onset of diabetes, that would have been a fine alternative, since the likelyhood of complications increases with the length of time one has the diseae.  This does not mean that I should continue to beat myself up about it, but it is important to me to accept my share of the responsibility.  I also have several risk factors for cardiovascular problems – obesity, lack of exercise, diabetes, high cholersterol, smoking, and borderline hypertension. I can eliminate or vastly reduce the impact of all of those risk factors. If I choose not to do so, and I have a heart attack at 50, well, does that mean I’ve given myself a heart attack?  No it doesn’t, but I sure did hold the door open and invite it. > Many of us have gone thru this.  You know that this is the real > problem right now.  You have to sort things out and make sure > that the *diagnosis* doesn’t kill you.  I mean that in the > sense of destroying your life.  Right now, the diagnosis is > consuming you.  You haven’t accepted the diagnosis yet, and > you are fighting back because you think it’s going to be so > much worse.  "It ain’t necessarily so", in the words of the > famous song.  In the next paragraph, you clearly know what has > to be done.  Yes, your life is going to change.  In many ways > it’s going to change for the better.

This is great advice, and I thank you for it.  And hopefully I will soon be able to live it… > Here’s a statistic for you… all living things die — 100 percent. > Our goal is a good quality of life, and living a life that makes a > difference.  Your church activities, your music, they make a > difference in the lives of others.  You have to focus back on them. > Your job — a necessary evil, huh?  To remain healthy you must > have the resources!  Put the diagnosis in the back of your mind > and concentrate on your life.

For me, it is all about quality of life – not about dying.  I have been studying the organ for several years, with the goal of mastering the instrument and becoming a church organist.  Learning that I have a disease which is the leading cause of amputations in this country certainly leads me to have fears about the quality of my life. > Denial! Denial! Denial!  Maybe if I keep those nosy Medicos out > of my body, I will no longer have diabetes.  Maybe I never really > had it.  The diagnosis was wrong.  They misinterpreted the results.

I deleted my message for the sake of brevity, but it said nothing about denial!  I did not suggest that the diabetes would go away, that I was misdiagnosed, or that I could cease treatment of diabetes.  I only said that I can only carry so much at one time and that I cannot currently bear the thought of other diseases, disorders, or malfunctions of my body. > ACCEPTANCE.  You’ve gone thru the entire cycle now.  You’re going to > be much better.  You can control your health and I think you will. > That control is going to be your salvation.  With good control you > can live a long life with fewer complications.  Might you have some > setbacks? sure.  If you can get over your current burden, you’ll be > able to handle those setbacks well, too.

You’re right on! > Ah, those pesky personal relationships.  You’ll need to ignore those > things for a while and concentrate on your feelings about yourself.

Yeah, but it sure is hard to ignore those relationships when I need people the most! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If a person takes their diagnosis seriously, their lifestyle changes > will increase their feeling of worth.  They start to eat better, > exercise, look better.  And they feel better, healthwise and > in relation to their self-image — the satisfation that they have > accomplished something major in their life and taken control, > rather than being controlled. > When you have worked on your person for a while, those around you > will only know the "new you", and these things will be much less > important.  Say Hi! to your Dad, give him a big hug, and tell him > you’ll be all right. > (About the sugar.  Sugar is a carb, like many other carbs.  Carbs > make your blood glucose rise.  If you adjust your diet (lifelong > eating plan) to include that spoon of sugar, there is no problem. > And only you are responsible for your diet — tell them to butt > out.)

This is all true and helpful, and I do feel great – I have more energy than I have in ages, and I enjoy the excercise.  Like I said, it’s hard because I need my friends and family.  Unfortunately, my dad is 3,000 miles away…how I long for that hug!…and with him, it’s a pendulum effect – on the one hand, I want him not to worry and to be strong and help me to cope, on the other, I am so secure in his love, and his worries remind me that my life matters to someone other than me! > Mourn what?  The fact that your body cannot use the insulin you > make?  Mourn what?  The fact that you finally realize that you > are not immortal?  You have lost nothing but your innocence.

Mourn a physical health that I no longer have!  Yeah, like I said, I am already healthier than I was before I got diabetes, and I will continue to become more healthy, but this is more than mere immortality!  It is more than a loss of innocence!  Diabetes is a chronic, incurable, potentially fatal disease.  It’s not all in my head! > All the best to you, Niki.  You are not alone, and we all care > about you.  Please keep us in your mind and prayers, and we’ll > do the same.  Report back when you are able.

Thanks – you are all in my thoughts and prayers… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jude > — >         Crouch Enterprises – Telecom, Internet & Unix Consulting >       Oak Park, IL  708-848-0134  URL: http://www.pobox.com/~jcrouch

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Actually, so far it has responded really well to treatment – since I began testing 2 weeks ago, the range has been fasting 84 – 117 and 2 hours after dinner 102-126.  This is a far cry from the 217 when I was diagnosed. The diet and exercise have led to about  15 pound weight loss (currently 5′5", 270) So it’s exciting – seeing such a quick response, and feeling like my body wants to be well if I will only treat it well.  I’m just not always confident that it will work is all…despite my MD’s claim that maintaining normal blood glucose levels is almost as good as not having diabetes in the first place.  The discipline is not hard to maintain – and I do have an occasional treat – but mostly the good levels are more gratifying than the treats!  I read somewhere about making an effort to maintain good nutrition about 80% of the time (I think it was about weight loss not diabetes) – my target is higher than 80% – but I like the concept – 19-20 of 21 meals each week – and it works – so once a week I’ll go out to dinner, and be conscientious, but not as anal as the ret of the time.  I struggle constantly between the part of me that wants to see diabetes as a wake up call that is an opportunity for good health (I am already more healthy than before the diagnosis) and the part of me that wants to just retreat and ignore the whole thing…Thanks so much for listening and your good advice!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Nikki, > You were only diagnosed in April.  Keep up the diet and exercise and > give it time. > I was diagnosed in December.  At that time I was over 200 all the > time.  Yesterday my highest reading was the fasting when I got up in > the morning and that was 121.  The readings didn’t come down over > night, they came down gradually.  When I started taking glucotrol I > had an initial drop to between 150 and 200.  Then it took 2 months of > dieting and exercise before I saw any further improvement. > Be patient with yourself but don’t stop exercising and dieting.  Allow > yourself a treat even on a daily bases as long as you fit it into your > diet plan.  On special occasions allow yourself a splurge that’s not > in your diet plan, just don’t do that often or over do it too much. > When relatives give you a hard time about what you eat try to explain > that even diabetes can have limited amounts of sugar.  If they won’t > understand, ignore them or if your pushy like me I tell them to f*** > off (that everyone understands). > You can avoid complications.  The statistics you see were compiled > from years past when diabetes was not treated as aggressively as it is > today.  You have a good chance to avoid complications altogether if > you get your BG’s down and keep them down.  Just keep up what your > doing and you should see results. > I’m not a fan of taking a lot of meds but if your BG’s don’t drop soon > I would check with the doc about increasing or changing meds.  You can > always reduce them later if you need to. > Good Luck > :) Just another DeadHead Computer Nerd :)

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Hi Nikki, You were only diagnosed in April.  Keep up the diet and exercise and give it time.   I was diagnosed in December.  At that time I was over 200 all the time.  Yesterday my highest reading was the fasting when I got up in the morning and that was 121.  The readings didn’t come down over night, they came down gradually.  When I started taking glucotrol I had an initial drop to between 150 and 200.  Then it took 2 months of dieting and exercise before I saw any further improvement.   Be patient with yourself but don’t stop exercising and dieting.  Allow yourself a treat even on a daily bases as long as you fit it into your diet plan.  On special occasions allow yourself a splurge that’s not in your diet plan, just don’t do that often or over do it too much. When relatives give you a hard time about what you eat try to explain that even diabetes can have limited amounts of sugar.  If they won’t understand, ignore them or if your pushy like me I tell them to f*** off (that everyone understands). You can avoid complications.  The statistics you see were compiled from years past when diabetes was not treated as aggressively as it is today.  You have a good chance to avoid complications altogether if you get your BG’s down and keep them down.  Just keep up what your doing and you should see results.   I’m not a fan of taking a lot of meds but if your BG’s don’t drop soon I would check with the doc about increasing or changing meds.  You can always reduce them later if you need to.                                         Good Luck :) Just another DeadHead Computer Nerd :)

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> I may bore everyone to tears…if so, please skip over me!  It still > makes > me feel better to tell the story and not have to worry about anyone’s > reaction…

If you just wanted to get it off your chest, you would have written it in your diary!  I think you wanted to share your pain, but also I think you need some kind words of support and some comfort for some of those things you may misunderstand. > I was just diagnosed type II in April – only three weeks after my beloved > gramma died of kidney failure and heart disease that were secondary to > diabetes.  When I look back now, I recall having symptoms for about > 4 months > before the diagnosis (had last been tested in Nov. 97)  I was thirsty all > the time, and for the first time in my life, needed to get up at night to > pee, but I thought maybe it was just about getting older – a companion > to my > first gray hair.  (I’m 29.)  I cannot begin to describe my shock!   > I thought > only kids and middle aged people got diabetes!  

People of all ages get diabetes.  There are some age groups that get it more often, but diabetes has nothing to do with age. > I knew I was at risk, but > not how high the risk was, and I thought I still had plenty of time to > reduce risk factors like diet, weight, and exercise. > I have always tended to live without regret.  I have been able to > acknowledge my many mistakes in life, but I have valued them as > opportunities for learning, and don’t punish myself for them.  But > this….the years of not taking care of myself…I will regret this > forever, > it seems.  I probably could have prevented this, but I chose not to try. > Now I am paying the price for it…with only time to tell just how > high the price will be.  

You could not have prevented it.  You may have been able to delay it somewhat, but you could not have prevented it.   Skinny people get diabetes, perfect weight persons get diabetes, overweight people get diabetes.  It’s not something we "give" to ourselves. > Six weeks ago I was so happy – I loved everything about > my > life, I gave thanks every day for the many gifts that I had been given. > Today I am afraid that I will lose everything.  I have never been so >  lacking > in resilience!  I keep waiting to spring back, but I don’t.  I am > screwing > up at work, my church commitments, the choirs in which I sing, my organ > playing…all of things that make me value my life so much.  The > emotional > toll is so tremendous.

Many of us have gone thru this.  You know that this is the real problem right now.  You have to sort things out and make sure that the *diagnosis* doesn’t kill you.  I mean that in the sense of destroying your life.  Right now, the diagnosis is consuming you.  You haven’t accepted the diagnosis yet, and you are fighting back because you think it’s going to be so much worse.  "It ain’t necessarily so", in the words of the famous song.  In the next paragraph, you clearly know what has to be done.  Yes, your life is going to change.  In many ways it’s going to change for the better. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have these moments when I am grateful for this diagnosis.  I did > not have > the self discipline before to control my weight, my food intake, to > develop > an exercise routine…but after the diagnosis, everything changed.   > My diet > is totally under my control – for the first time in my life I identify > and > respond to physiological hunger rather than emotional hunger.  I ride a > stationary bike for a half hour every day…and none of it seems to take > willpower or self discipline.  It just happens.  The new choices, like > the > old, are made at a psychic level that is beyond my reach.  So sometimes I > view diabetes as a wake up call – an opportunity for health and personal > growth.  But other times….I can’t take it.  I still take care of > myself – > as I said, I do not seem to have control over the decisions – even the > good > ones! – but I ride that bike while viewing myself in my mind’s eye – 35 > years old, blind, footless, hooked up to a dialysis machine having a > heart > attack.  The statistics spin endlessly in my mind – 80% of all diabetics > die > because of cardiovascular problems…complications can be prevented or > delayed…That’s not good enough.  Knowing how well I have responded to > treatment is not good enough.  Prevent or delay is not good enough.   > I want > total prevention.  I want to know that it is not too late for me to > make up > for the years of wrong choices.  I can’t hear anymore about it.

Here’s a statistic for you… all living things die — 100 percent. Our goal is a good quality of life, and living a life that makes a difference.  Your church activities, your music, they make a difference in the lives of others.  You have to focus back on them. Your job — a necessary evil, huh?  To remain healthy you must have the resources!  Put the diagnosis in the back of your mind and concentrate on your life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Last week I walked out of a doctor’s appointment, refusing to give > a blood > sample, because I do not want to hear about one more f***ing thing that > is > wrong with me.  I went home and canceled the appointment with the > ophthalmologist because I cannot hear anymore.  The 217 fasting glucose > was > enough.  And the 276 cholesterol was enough.  And the 1093 triglycerides > was > enough.  And the 144/94 blood pressure was enough.  Diabetes is enough. > One > drug is enough.  Polycystic Ovary Syndrome is enough (thank god I have > never > wanted to have children!)  SYNDROME X IS ENOUGH.  I don’t want to hear > another word.  I can’t hear another word.  I have been seeing my current > doctor for six years, and she has been great (although I am angry that in > six years she never recommended that I lose weight until last week)  She > listens, she doesn’t rush, she returns my calls and will listen to me > panic > for an hour in the middle of her day.  She tells me that if she did not > think that I could be healthy, she would not come to work every day. > But she doesn’t get it – I can’t take anymore.  No, you cannot do a liver > function test, no you cannot do a kidney function test, no you cannot > retest > my lipid profile, no you can’t look into the back of my eyes.  

Denial! Denial! Denial!  Maybe if I keep those nosy Medicos out of my body, I will no longer have diabetes.  Maybe I never really had it.  The diagnosis was wrong.  They misinterpreted the results. > Today  I have > diabetes.  I can control my diet and I can take a drug and I can exercise > every day.  Let me see that work.  Let me process all of this.  Let me > feel like I can keep control of the rest of my life.

ACCEPTANCE.  You’ve gone thru the entire cycle now.  You’re going to be much better.  You can control your health and I think you will. That control is going to be your salvation.  With good control you can live a long life with fewer complications.  Might you have some setbacks? sure.  If you can get over your current burden, you’ll be able to handle those setbacks well, too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me deal with the three people waiting in line at my office to tell me > that I am not responding quickly enough to their concerns, because it is > my work that makes me feel like my life has a purpose. > Let me negotiate with my choir director who recently suggested that > I drop > out since I cannot seem to focus, because it is the choir that brings > me joy > and takes me away from the things, like my illness, that I am most > afraid of and distressed by. > Let me figure out my relationships with my friends and family, like the > one who is jealous that I am losing weight and she isn’t, or the one > who is so scared by my fears that he cannot even look me in the eye, > or the one who > yells at me over the single teaspoon of sugar in my single morning cup of > coffee, or the one who cannot cope with being the helper since that’s > been > my job for the past 11 years, or my dad who cannot cope with his own > anxiety > about my illness because he loves me so, because without my friends and > family, I will not be able to get through this.

Ah, those pesky personal relationships.  You’ll need to ignore those things for a while and concentrate on your feelings about yourself. If a person takes their diagnosis seriously, their lifestyle changes will increase their feeling of worth.  They start to eat better, exercise, look better.  And they feel better, healthwise and in relation to their self-image — the satisfation that they have accomplished something major in their life and taken control, rather than being controlled. When you have worked on your person for a while, those around you will only know the "new you", and these things will be much less important.  Say Hi! to your Dad, give him a big hug, and tell him you’ll be all right. (About the sugar.  Sugar is a carb, like many other carbs.  Carbs make your blood glucose rise.  If you adjust your diet (lifelong eating plan) to include that spoon of sugar, there is no problem. And only you are responsible for your diet — tell them to butt out.) > Let me mourn what I have lost, because without such mourning I will > not be able to move ahead and take care of myself.

Mourn what?  The fact that your body cannot use the insulin you make?  Mourn what?  The fact that you finally realize that you are not immortal?  You have lost nothing but your innocence. All the best to you, Niki.  You are not alone, and we all care about you.  Please keep us in your mind and prayers, and we’ll do the same.  Report back when you are able. Jude —         Crouch Enterprises – Telecom, Internet & Unix Consulting       Oak Park, IL  708-848-0134  URL: http://www.pobox.com/~jcrouch

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I may bore everyone to tears…if so, please skip over me!  It still makes me feel better to tell the story and not have to worry about anyone’s reaction… I was just diagnosed type II in April – only three weeks after my beloved gramma died of kidney failure and heart disease that were secondary to diabetes.  When I look back now, I recall having symptoms for about 4 months before the diagnosis (had last been tested in Nov. 97)  I was thirsty all the time, and for the first time in my life, needed to get up at night to pee, but I thought maybe it was just about getting older – a companion to my first gray hair.  (I’m 29.)  I cannot begin to describe my shock!  I thought only kids and middle aged people got diabetes!  I knew I was at risk, but not how high the risk was, and I thought I still had plenty of time to reduce risk factors like diet, weight, and exercise. I have always tended to live without regret.  I have been able to acknowledge my many mistakes in life, but I have valued them as opportunities for learning, and don’t punish myself for them.  But this….the years of not taking care of myself…I will regret this forever, it seems.  I probably could have prevented this, but I chose not to try. Now I am paying the price for it…with only time to tell just how high the price will be.  Six weeks ago I was so happy – I loved everything about my life, I gave thanks every day for the many gifts that I had been given. Today I am afraid that I will lose everything.  I have never been so lacking in resilience!  I keep waiting to spring back, but I don’t.  I am screwing up at work, my church commitments, the choirs in which I sing, my organ playing…all of things that make me value my life so much.  The emotional toll is so tremendous. I have these moments when I am grateful for this diagnosis.  I did not have the self discipline before to control my weight, my food intake, to develop an exercise routine…but after the diagnosis, everything changed.  My diet is totally under my control – for the first time in my life I identify and respond to physiological hunger rather than emotional hunger.  I ride a stationary bike for a half hour every day…and none of it seems to take willpower or self discipline.  It just happens.  The new choices, like the old, are made at a psychic level that is beyond my reach.  So sometimes I view diabetes as a wake up call – an opportunity for health and personal growth.  But other times….I can’t take it.  I still take care of myself – as I said, I do not seem to have control over the decisions – even the good ones! – but I ride that bike while viewing myself in my mind’s eye – 35 years old, blind, footless, hooked up to a dialysis machine having a heart attack.  The statistics spin endlessly in my mind – 80% of all diabetics die because of cardiovascular problems…complications can be prevented or delayed…That’s not good enough.  Knowing how well I have responded to treatment is not good enough.  Prevent or delay is not good enough.  I want total prevention.  I want to know that it is not too late for me to make up for the years of wrong choices.  I can’t hear anymore about it. Last week I walked out of a doctor’s appointment, refusing to give a blood sample, because I do not want to hear about one more f***ing thing that is wrong with me.  I went home and canceled the appointment with the ophthalmologist because I cannot hear anymore.  The 217 fasting glucose was enough.  And the 276 cholesterol was enough.  And the 1093 triglycerides was enough.  And the 144/94 blood pressure was enough.  Diabetes is enough.  One drug is enough.  Polycystic Ovary Syndrome is enough (thank god I have never wanted to have children!)  SYNDROME X IS ENOUGH.  I don’t want to hear another word.  I can’t hear another word.  I have been seeing my current doctor for six years, and she has been great (although I am angry that in six years she never recommended that I lose weight until last week)  She listens, she doesn’t rush, she returns my calls and will listen to me panic for an hour in the middle of her day.  She tells me that if she did not think that I could be healthy, she would not come to work every day. But she doesn’t get it – I can’t take anymore.  No, you cannot do a liver function test, no you cannot do a kidney function test, no you cannot retest my lipid profile, no you can’t look into the back of my eyes.  Today I have diabetes.  I can control my diet and I can take a drug and I can exercise every day.  Let me see that work.  Let me process all of this.  Let me feel like I can keep control of the rest of my life. Let me deal with the three people waiting in line at my office to tell me that I am not responding quickly enough to their concerns, because it is my work that makes me feel like my life has a purpose. Let me negotiate with my choir director who recently suggested that I drop out since I cannot seem to focus, because it is the choir that brings me joy and takes me away from the things, like my illness, that I am most afraid of and distressed by. Let me figure out my relationships with my friends and family, like the one who is jealous that I am losing weight and she isn’t, or the one who is so scared by my fears that he cannot even look me in the eye, or the one who yells at me over the single teaspoon of sugar in my single morning cup of coffee, or the one who cannot cope with being the helper since that’s been my job for the past 11 years, or my dad who cannot cope with his own anxiety about my illness because he loves me so, because without my friends and family, I will not be able to get through this. Let me mourn what I have lost, because without such mourning I will not be able to move ahead and take care of myself. Let me rest a while and be still and know my God, because without Him I will forget that I am cared for throughout eternity and that this life and its perils are only a moment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Ann, > Not as exciting as the last but here’s some rambling….. > I am 34 and was diagnosed diabetic ( type2) just last year after my wife had > had enough of my classic symptoms – that I was unaware of at the time. > However, I wouldn’t leave the house without a 2litre bottle of water with me > :-) > I had my first clinic appointment on the day my daughter was born. > Stressful day- yes! > Obvious extra things I didn’t realise:  Eyesight – my eyesight is now crap. > My glasses are not right for me any more – and I hope this things settles. > Even though my control is pretty good, if I get very low ( sometimes 3.7 > mmols/l – not a hypo with Metformin???) I feel light headed and tired – > didn’t expect this with type 2 diabetes.  If I get very high ( 12mmols/l – > rarely these days) I feel quick tempered thirsty and hot ( and tired).  So > glad i’m not on insulin! > My problem is that I’m overweight by about 5 stones.  I managed to give up > my heavy smoking habit – but losing a few stones ( even one) is sooo hard. > The worst part of it is that I feel so guilty at not losing any weight > between visits to the clinic – I don’t want to go anymore!  If my wife > didn’t push me – I wouldn’t go. > My control has got better – diet obviously wasn’t working – although my > "diet" has greatly improved.  No obvious sugary things, cut all of my treats > ( chocolate etc) but portion sizes – still too big.  Doctor has put me on > Metformin and apart from the mild stomach probs ( wind etc) things are much > better.  My control is now practically always below 8 mmols / l – which is > near the optimum 6 mmols/l. > I’ve managed to cope with my beautiful baby girl ( 9 months old now), my > final year of a BSc. in Computer Science and hope to be starting a PhD. this > year.  he University have been neither supportive nor non-supportive > although I have discovered quite a few other diabetics of both types since I > was diagnosed.  Should have organised a "university support society" for > diabetic students.  If I am here next year I probably will! > Advice to give??  Learn about your "illness" and be able to make educated > informed decisions about your long term care.  We have a Doctor Hillson at > my hospital diabetes clinic who is a very pleasant woman – always prepared > to listen and advise.  Ask lots of questions and learn what to expect. > Diabetes doesn’t seem to be the end of the world – unless i’m not taking it > seriously enough – and I might not be. > Of course the consequences of not taking it seriously seem too scary to > Martin Boulger > Hello, >       My name is Ann Silverman. I am a registered nurse and I am > new to the Internet. I am a trained diabetic educator who is in > the process of writing a book tentatively titled "The > Psychological & Spiritual Aspects of Living with a Chronic > Disease". >      I am a Type 2 insulin dependent diabetic who is now > suffering from eye complications. I am seeking the words of those > who wish to offer help to others via their thoughts, feelings, > and stories about living with diabetes.  Please include what is > helpful to you and what you would like to see become available in > the way of support. Have you experienced prejudice in the > workplace? What do you use to cope? What form of support do you > find most beneficial? >      My main focus will be to share what I have learned about > diabetes as well as the physical and emotional trauma experienced > while living with this disease. >      If you wish to remain anonymous as it pertains to this book, > please indicate so in your reply.  I am really looking forward to > hearing from those who have something to share.even if it’s a > simple anecdote. > Thanks to

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Hi Ann, Not as exciting as the last but here’s some rambling….. I am 34 and was diagnosed diabetic ( type2) just last year after my wife had had enough of my classic symptoms – that I was unaware of at the time. However, I wouldn’t leave the house without a 2litre bottle of water with me :-) I had my first clinic appointment on the day my daughter was born. Stressful day- yes! Obvious extra things I didn’t realise:  Eyesight – my eyesight is now crap. My glasses are not right for me any more – and I hope this things settles. Even though my control is pretty good, if I get very low ( sometimes 3.7 mmols/l – not a hypo with Metformin???) I feel light headed and tired – didn’t expect this with type 2 diabetes.  If I get very high ( 12mmols/l – rarely these days) I feel quick tempered thirsty and hot ( and tired).  So glad i’m not on insulin! My problem is that I’m overweight by about 5 stones.  I managed to give up my heavy smoking habit – but losing a few stones ( even one) is sooo hard. The worst part of it is that I feel so guilty at not losing any weight between visits to the clinic – I don’t want to go anymore!  If my wife didn’t push me – I wouldn’t go. My control has got better – diet obviously wasn’t working – although my "diet" has greatly improved.  No obvious sugary things, cut all of my treats ( chocolate etc) but portion sizes – still too big.  Doctor has put me on Metformin and apart from the mild stomach probs ( wind etc) things are much better.  My control is now practically always below 8 mmols / l – which is near the optimum 6 mmols/l. I’ve managed to cope with my beautiful baby girl ( 9 months old now), my final year of a BSc. in Computer Science and hope to be starting a PhD. this year.  he University have been neither supportive nor non-supportive although I have discovered quite a few other diabetics of both types since I was diagnosed.  Should have organised a "university support society" for diabetic students.  If I am here next year I probably will! Advice to give??  Learn about your "illness" and be able to make educated informed decisions about your long term care.  We have a Doctor Hillson at my hospital diabetes clinic who is a very pleasant woman – always prepared to listen and advise.  Ask lots of questions and learn what to expect. Diabetes doesn’t seem to be the end of the world – unless i’m not taking it seriously enough – and I might not be. Of course the consequences of not taking it seriously seem too scary to Martin Boulger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, >       My name is Ann Silverman. I am a registered nurse and I am > new to the Internet. I am a trained diabetic educator who is in > the process of writing a book tentatively titled "The > Psychological & Spiritual Aspects of Living with a Chronic > Disease". >      I am a Type 2 insulin dependent diabetic who is now > suffering from eye complications. I am seeking the words of those > who wish to offer help to others via their thoughts, feelings, > and stories about living with diabetes.  Please include what is > helpful to you and what you would like to see become available in > the way of support. Have you experienced prejudice in the > workplace? What do you use to cope? What form of support do you > find most beneficial? >      My main focus will be to share what I have learned about > diabetes as well as the physical and emotional trauma experienced > while living with this disease. >      If you wish to remain anonymous as it pertains to this book, > please indicate so in your reply.  I am really looking forward to > hearing from those who have something to share.even if it’s a > simple anecdote. > Thanks to all in advance, > Ann Silverman > Toronto, Canada. > PS.I am cross posting this message to the few newsgroups and > mailing lists I feel will be helpful.  Please understand.

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Hello,       My name is Ann Silverman. I am a registered nurse and I am new to the Internet. I am a trained diabetic educator who is in the process of writing a book tentatively titled

BEWARE!!!!

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Fortunately I have high tech computer knowledge and know not ot open ANYTHING that I am unsure of as well as running Norton AntiVirus on everything incoming. (Takes a little longer but well worth it. There are a ton of messgaes (My account received 144 my husbands 154) that appear to come from microsft, Nortons, Symantech, and Service Prviders that say they are a patch for your windows operating system. DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS!!!!! The attachments are called things as simple as UPDATE with a number, to PATCH.EXE to anything they think might make you open it. They are all the same worm virus and will begin to destroy your system immediately. For more info go directly to Microsofts website at www.microsoft.com and read more about it. …..Another friendly warning from someone who knows nothing……. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Fortunately I have high tech computer knowledge and know not ot open > ANYTHING that I am unsure of as well as running Norton AntiVirus on > everything incoming. (Takes a little longer but well worth it. > There are a ton of messgaes (My account received 144 my husbands 154) that > appear to come from microsft, Nortons, Symantech, and Service Prviders that > say they are a patch for your windows operating system. > DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS!!!!! > The attachments are called things as simple as UPDATE with a number, to > PATCH.EXE to anything they think might make you open it. > They are all the same worm virus and will begin to destroy your system > immediately. > For more info go directly to Microsofts website at www.microsoft.com and > read more about it. > …..Another friendly warning from someone who knows nothing……. > Conni Brady > Aspartame Awareness > www.bradymax.com/nzaa

Agreed.  This Swen virus is spreading pretty quickly.  Ironic that it’s based on a flaw in Microsoft Windows that’s two years old (that’s why I generally use Mozilla).  From ZDNet: "It takes advantage of a two-year-old Internet Explorer flaw that allows it to execute directly from an e-mail message without the help of the user."  Everyone please note (because it bears repeating), Microsoft would NEVER send you ANY kind of update for Windows in an email… no matter how official this one looks.  Keep your systems updated. Ken

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> …..Another friendly warning from someone who knows nothing…….

Did you look to see there are three or four threads discussing this very thing right now? You only posted this to get your Aspartame Nut Case web site posted one more time. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world.                        –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, but I am not going to argue over it. If  there are people who are weary of the Aspartame sweetner, then there are those. If there are people who drink and eat products with it in there, then there are those. If you have no problem with it….fine. She even mentioned in one of her previous posts that she had nothing against Splenda, but absolutely did over Stevia. There are people in the group who like Splenda, and totally against Stevia. It’s there…but probably in one of the headers to do with sweetners that were recently brought up here. Being diabetic herself, which all she has mentioned involving diabetes, makes me not disbelieve she isn’t a diabetic. What gets me is how she has been harrassed, labeled and called Betty Martini or one of the followers. Some come to the group hearing about the stories, and often times labeled themselves. Even if it was something they read or heard, not knowing how the subject itself gets some a little riled. I don’t care who eats or drinks aspartame products or who fears it’s usage. She just brought up the problem of this virus. It didn’t have to be a name calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was full at 160 (something). How is that??!! I would like to get rid of it myself. I think I will e-mail my Yahoo account to see if I have the virus for sure. I probably can tell there. I would like to know how I can eliminate this problem myself being a Webtv person. Must I get myself another e-mail? Change my main e-mail address? I can’t get hardware like a PC user to eliminate viruses ect. …. or spam….. There is a firewall built inside Webtv’s but viruses can be transferred to PC users. I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. Kimberly Hedrick Type 1, since 1974, at age 3.

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> I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more.

There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long as I am here. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world.                        –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I >have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was >full at 160 (something). How is that??!!

You probably have 2 limits.  One is on the number of messages (500). The other is on the total amount of memory allowed to store them.  In your case it looks like 20 MB, which would get filled with those 160-odd worms (they are each a little above 150k).

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> Ronnie has to hassle somebody.

I will always question liars — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world.                        –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Harold, I believe the e-mails take up my storage capacity. When I go to delete e-mails, it shows the capacity that each of these bogus e-mails take up. Some being 150K. I am thinking of probably changing my main e-mail account. I don’t think it has effected my other e-mail accounts, just my main one. I have saved e-mails that are important, and wonder if I send them to a new account would spread the virus to a new main account? Possible???…or not? Kimberly Hedrick type 1, since 1974, at age 3.

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>Harold, >I believe the e-mails take up my storage capacity. When I go to delete >e-mails, it shows the capacity that each of these bogus e-mails take up. >Some being 150K. I am thinking of probably changing my main e-mail >account. I don’t think it has effected my other e-mail accounts, just my >main one. I have saved e-mails that are important, and wonder if I send >them to a new account would spread the virus to a new main account? >Possible???…or not?

The legitimate emails would not spread the virus if forwarded to a new account. This virus (or more properly, this worm), SWEN.A, was started by someone harvesting email addresses from newsgroups like this one and then sending it to huge numbers of people all at once.  When it reaches a computer using Internet Explorer it tries to disable protective software (firewalls) and send itself out to whatever addresses it can find.  It does not attach itself as a rider to any emails you might send, either new ones or forwarded ones.  It sends itself. This is the first one to cause me any real problem – my mailbox is only half the size of yours (10 MB), so it fills up with 70 or so copies.  I’ve received somewhere over a thousand by now, so it’s an effort to keep my mailbox empty.  I’m going to have to take a serious look at a different setup.  It was only earlier this year that I saw the first widespread use of a worm (GIBE.B) that started using addresses harvested from newsgroups – but I think it will soon be standard.

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Again Kimberly, Thanks for your kinds words of encouragement, and noticing the unfair treatment a person can endure for simply using a signature. No I won’t stop using it. If it’s upsetting people so much, let them do what I have about one specific user we aren’t seeing here anymore for now. Complain to the computer Gods and have me taken care of. I’m in no way in breach of any contracts by using the signature I use, so please ANYONE who’s upset over it.. complain to the moderators and even the webmaster at bradymax.com. Those of whom don’t choose to use the proven methods of complaints and instead decide to abuse someone over what they BELIEVE I am saying without asking me what I mean, are simply here to cause rucus, not LEARN from others with the same disease. In my opinion, if you are here to read, and add comments on the subject (In an intellectual fashion) then you are a much wanted person on these boards. If you are here to cuss at people, name call, and make accusations without investigation, then you aren’t needed or wanted.. But like the majority of the users here, if I read something I don’t agree with I will either state why I don’t agree and give factual exidence of my points, or I won’t say anything and move on to the next letter. If everyone lived by that, this place sure would be a much nicer place to post. Now can we PLEASE get on with the real subject at hand here? (Ha I doubt it, those bashers will now entertain bashing some more cuz I am again using my signature) Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is > having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has > the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, > but I am not going to argue over it. If  there are people who are weary > of the Aspartame sweetner, then there are those. If there are people who > drink and eat products with it in there, then there are those. If you > have no problem with it….fine. She even mentioned in one of her > previous posts that she had nothing against Splenda, but absolutely did > over Stevia. There are people in the group who like Splenda, and totally > against Stevia. It’s there…but probably in one of the headers to do > with sweetners that were recently brought up here. Being diabetic > herself, which all she has mentioned involving diabetes, makes me not > disbelieve she isn’t a diabetic. What gets me is how she has been > harrassed, labeled and called Betty Martini or one of the followers. > Some come to the group hearing about the stories, and often times > labeled themselves. Even if it was something they read or heard, not > knowing how the subject itself gets some a little riled. I don’t care > who eats or drinks aspartame products or who fears it’s usage. She just > brought up the problem of this virus. It didn’t have to be a name > calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I > have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was > full at 160 (something). How is that??!! I would like to get rid of it > myself. I think I will e-mail my Yahoo account to see if I have the > virus for sure. I probably can tell there. I would like to know how I > can eliminate this problem myself being a Webtv person. Must I get > myself another e-mail? Change my main e-mail address? I can’t get > hardware like a PC user to eliminate viruses ect. …. or spam….. > There is a firewall built inside Webtv’s but viruses can be transferred > to PC users. > I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. > Kimberly Hedrick > Type 1, since 1974, > at age 3.

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So now you’re accusing me of lying about the virus? Okay…. hahhahahaha Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ronnie has to hassle somebody. > I will always question liars > — > Ronnie Ruff > So shines a good deed in a weary world. >                        –Willy Wonka– > I pray for the power. To turn it around. > I’m too old to die young. And too young > to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Okay Harold, (Minding you all this virus stuff is totally off subject of diabetes,) but others might want to know the aswer to this if they are having the same problem with them. I’m using outlook express, (Used to use netscape so I’m unfamiliar with all outlook has ot offer) Why is it when I set the mesage rule to say do not download off the server anything over 4kb it’s still taking them? Any clues how to tell it not to even let them on my system? I’ve now got it set up to toss anything that says in the "TO"  line consumer, partner, or customer, and anything that says in the subject line microsoft, or security, but wouldnt the other rule of don’ download it if it’s over 4 kb supercede the other rules? Cuz it’s not doing that now. <G> Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I >have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was >full at 160 (something). How is that??!! > You probably have 2 limits.  One is on the number of messages (500). > The other is on the total amount of memory allowed to store them.  In > your case it looks like 20 MB, which would get filled with those > 160-odd worms (they are each a little above 150k).

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Kim, I’d say if you change accounts now with this still being as widely spread as it is right now, it’ll probably find its way to your new account. I’d hold off for now and give it a week or so to die off and see what happens. Like all the other viruses out there we’ve endured, the big GURU’s of the world (Microsoft and internet service providers) will have tons of people trying to stop this real soon. Just my opinion, but I’d hate to see youwasteyour time trying to fix it only to seeit happen all again. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Harold, > I believe the e-mails take up my storage capacity. When I go to delete > e-mails, it shows the capacity that each of these bogus e-mails take up. > Some being 150K. I am thinking of probably changing my main e-mail > account. I don’t think it has effected my other e-mail accounts, just my > main one. I have saved e-mails that are important, and wonder if I send > them to a new account would spread the virus to a new main account? > Possible???…or not? > Kimberly Hedrick > type 1, since 1974, > at age 3.

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I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for their stance on Aspartame.  What’s up with Aspartame?  I just glanced at a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much crapola, web site.  Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here.  Thanks! dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > So now you’re accusing me of lying about the virus? > Okay…. > hahhahahaha > Conni Brady > Aspartame Awareness > www.bradymax.com/nzaa >>Ronnie has to hassle somebody. >I will always question liars >– >Ronnie Ruff >So shines a good deed in a weary world. >                       –Willy Wonka– >I pray for the power. To turn it around. >I’m too old to die young. And too young >to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 >http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>>Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is >having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has >the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, >Ronnie has to hassle somebody.

And generally he is right on the money. As the Southern joke goes "they needed killin’ " Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please.   Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" what my overall goals in life are. Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. > There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to > scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long > as I am here. > — > Ronnie Ruff > So shines a good deed in a weary world. >                        –Willy Wonka– > I pray for the power. To turn it around. > I’m too old to die young. And too young > to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Connie,  For many years we have tolerate the "Betty" thing where the is a large amount of posting.  It has rubbed most of us pretty thin.   My diabetes is a major issue in my life and I resent people using the news group for something that is not acceptable in most circles.  I have to do the best I can to survive.  When this "over concern" runs the good people away and  deprives me of good information I do resent it.  We must realize that other people have some "rights". When the FDA says Aspartame  is unsafe I will quit drinking it.   I consider their reputation much more credible than some individual with a thing.   Give us credit, some of are very familiar with the science involved.   We have dealt first hand with screwy ideas to get attention.  Part of life. But there are a lot of people here.  It is your duty to respect them and fit in.   Everyone has a right to live.   So pleas use some judgment and allow the group to function.  I give them enough nonsense.                                   Guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" >what my overall goals in life are. >Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You >don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so >don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! >Conni Brady >Aspartame Awareness >www.bradymax.com/nzaa > > I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. > There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to > scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long > as I am here. > — > Ronnie Ruff > So shines a good deed in a weary world. >                        –Willy Wonka– > I pray for the power. To turn it around. > I’m too old to die young. And too young > to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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ah, so it IS connie.  she didn’t reply to my message earlier in this thread…there’s always someone who will try to hijack a NG for their own agenda.  I bet they couldn’t color inside the lines with their Crayolas either… dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Connie,  For many years we have tolerate the "Betty" thing > where the is a large amount of posting.  It has rubbed > most of us pretty thin.   My diabetes is a major > issue in my life and I resent people using the news > group for something that is not acceptable in > most circles.  I have to do the best I can to > survive.  When this "over concern" runs the good > people away and  deprives me of good > information I do resent it.  We must realize that other > people have some "rights". > When the FDA says Aspartame  is unsafe I > will quit drinking it.   I consider their reputation > much more credible than some individual > with a thing.   > Give us credit, some of are very familiar with the > science involved.   We have dealt first hand with > screwy ideas to get attention.  Part of life. > But there are a lot of people here.  It is your duty > to respect them and fit in.   Everyone has a right > to live.   So pleas use some judgment and allow > the group to function.  I give them enough > nonsense. >                                   Guy >Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" >what my overall goals in life are. >Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You >don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so >don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! >Conni Brady >Aspartame Awareness >www.bradymax.com/nzaa >>>I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject >>>was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. >>There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to >>scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long >>as I am here. >>– >>Ronnie Ruff >>So shines a good deed in a weary world. >>                       –Willy Wonka– >>I pray for the power. To turn it around. >>I’m too old to die young. And too young >>to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 >>http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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> I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for > their stance on Aspartame.  What’s up with Aspartame?  I just glanced at > a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much > crapola, web site.  Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or > point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here.  Thanks!

You do realize that you are playing into the hands of a troll?  Or is it a sock puppet? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" > what my overall goals in life are.

Uh, it is rather obvious since it’s listed at the bottom of all your messages. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Julie, I’m a big boy who can PLONK with the best of them.  If she gets out of hand, she goes out of sight.  Right now, I want to reserve judgment, since I’m new to this NG.  Some folks that I disagree with I won’t EVER plonk because I want to do my civic duty by refuting their outrageous ideas that might dissuade a fellow db from trying pumping, or at least looking into it.  While I’m not too thrilled with MiniMed’s response to the 511/512 watertight issue, I thank God the company exists for our benefit. Wouldn’t it be a breath of fresh air to log onto the NG one day and not find any flame wars waging? dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for >their stance on Aspartame.  What’s up with Aspartame?  I just glanced at >a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much >crapola, web site.  Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or >point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here.  Thanks! > You do realize that you are playing into the hands of a troll?  Or is it a > sock puppet?

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Eat your aspartame little kiddie… Go on.. its good for you I swear! ~Quoted from the FDA! I hear a good dose of Gasoline in a cup of Aspartame flavored kool-aid does wonder for your skin.. (NOT!) But do try it… If it’s so good for you my dear little bashing unintellects, please do enthrall us with how much you consume…. I’d be real curious to know if you have the audacity to sit here and bash the heck out of people for sayng what they beleive and trying to help others when you probably don’t even use the stuff… Let’s see if I’m right. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for > their stance on Aspartame.  What’s up with Aspartame?  I just glanced at > a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much > crapola, web site.  Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or > point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here.  Thanks! > You do realize that you are playing into the hands of a troll?  Or is it a > sock puppet? > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Really BEV, is that your name… Since I don’t know ROnnie, or you, please do tell me how you both think you know what my intentions are? Judging books by their covers without reading the context inside? How about ASKING what MY intentions are instead of ASSUMING.. You do know the old cleche’ about ASSUME? Making an ASS out of U and ME? Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is >>having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has >>the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, >Ronnie has to hassle somebody. > And generally he is right on the money. > As the Southern joke goes "they needed killin’ " > Bev > Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. > Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet > /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk > More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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> (Ha I doubt it, those bashers will now entertain bashing some more cuz I am > again using my signature)

Your signature leads to a website that publishes LIES to scare diabetics. Shame on you. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world.                        –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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See Guy, here you go now too, and I just don’t get you people. I made one post about Aspartame when I first came to the boards. Since then I have refrained from posting anything about Asartame unles someone wanted to know about it, or said they had symptoms I felt might be aspartame related. Other than that I have posted completely on subject, ADDING MY SIGNATURE which you all seem to have. Now why is it that because I chose to post with the same signature everytime just like the rest of you do that I have to be harassed by poersoal email, and see tese kind of postings? If you people don’t want to know about aspartame awareness, then don’t read my signature and don’t visit my website.. Do what I do with most of your signatures and get what is pertenent out of it such as my name. If you don’t agree with what you’ve seen me post then after the first few words, stop reading it. I have to do that all the time. None of what any of this group has to say is a 100% science. None of us with all our experiences with this disease can be 100% correct about anything as we are all different with different bodies. Its a group of people supposedly sharing their life experiences about diabetes and sharing what has and has not worked for us as well as asking questions about things we worry about. so please for the sake of the group, get off the bashing me for using a signature like you all do, and do as you said, get back to the subjects at hand. DIABETES. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Connie,  For many years we have tolerate the "Betty" thing > where the is a large amount of posting.  It has rubbed > most of us pretty thin.   My diabetes is a major > issue in my life and I resent people using the news > group for something that is not acceptable in > most circles.  I have to do the best I can to > survive.  When this "over concern" runs the good > people away and  deprives me of good > information I do resent it.  We must realize that other > people have some "rights". > When the FDA says Aspartame  is unsafe I > will quit drinking it.   I consider their reputation > much more credible than some individual > with a thing. > Give us credit, some of are very familiar with the > science involved.   We have dealt first hand with > screwy ideas to get attention.  Part of life. > But there are a lot of people here.  It is your duty > to respect them and fit in.   Everyone has a right > to live.   So pleas use some judgment and allow > the group to function.  I give them enough > nonsense. >                                   Guy >Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" >what my overall goals in life are. >Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You >don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so >don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! >Conni Brady >Aspartame Awareness >www.bradymax.com/nzaa >> > I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject >> > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. >> There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to >> scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long >> as I am here. >> — >> Ronnie Ruff >> So shines a good deed in a weary world. >>                        –Willy Wonka– >> I pray for the power. To turn it around. >> I’m too old to die young. And too young >> to die now.           Warren Zevon 1980 >> http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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ASD Smokeout

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was asked the other day if I still wasn’t smoking. > I realised Its been over a year now since the asd smokeout. gee that > year went fast. > I happily said yes I rarely even think about it now. > I had been a smoker for about 23 years and was smoking 25 a day. I was > lurking in the group and made a last moment decision to quit, > motivated in a big part by the asd smokeout.        Thank you. > The discussion went on a bit more and she said I’m planning to quit > soon any tips? > this is what I said ( put simply ) > The best tip I got ( from the group ) which helped me control things > was that the urges / cravings, last on average for around 50 seconds > to one minute long. > then they pass (completely) for 5-10 minutes. > you can physically feel the craving,a very powerful force that takes > over your whole body but it passes like a wave after about a minute. > after 3 or 4 days the time between cravings moved out to 12-15 minutes > apart. In my experience all the hard work is done in 3 weeks. after > three weeks the frequency and intensity of the cravings are much > reduced and easier to handle. > If you can last a month you’ve done it. > she asked about motivation, I said I actually enjoyed smoking but I > was already a candidate for hypertension and heart attack with > Diabetes. > I would like to add a personal opinion which some may disagree with. > If you are seriously losing weight to improve your diabetes control > and want to quit smoking, postpone quitting smoking until your weight > loss is complete. > Then tackle the cigs. > Andrew.

Hi there Andrew, Interesting information  from someone who has done it.  I’m am very happy for you. I’ve tried to quit the ciggies so may times I’ve lost count. I sure am tired though, of people telling me how bad it is for me, (like, I don’t know that?), calling me names as if smoking makes me immoral or weak willed, or refusing to believe how difficult it is for ME.  The last time I really gave it my best shot, and didn’t smoke for 3 weeks, the cravings became continual, with no let up, I had such terrible nightmares that I was afraid to  fall asleep, and ended up having a nervous breakdown. So I resumed the smoking, and that helped, but it took medication from the doctor  to overcome the nightmares, and years to get over the breakdown. Since then, I’ve tried the nicotine chewing gum, the patches, and all the rest.  After a few days, I get into such an anxiety state, and can’t function because of the depression etc, that I just give  up and go back to the smokes. I’ve had counselling too, and one chap said the only other people he knew of who’ve had the same withdrawal symptoms were those coming off amphetimines.  I’ve been offered the anti-depressant medication that  works for some, but I don’t want to take that either (bad side effects in the past). I’ve even been told by a heart specialist that no surgeon would do a bypass or whatever on me if I needed one, because I was a smoker.  I guess I’m more scared of the mental hell I once experienced than I am of dying. Actually the thing I resent the most is the cost of the darn things. So my friends, if you don’t smoke, don’t ever take it up, and if you do smoke, and can quit, DO IT NOW!  The longer you smoke,  the more you smoke, and the harder it gets, as a rule. I’ve been smoking for 47yrs. It’s a mugs game. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I quit back in February, after 20 years of smoking 20 to 25 a day. I’ve been overweight since I was 12 and now that I am 41 I am the largest When I decided to quit smoking, I was worried about possibly gaining another 10 to 25 lbs. as most people do. I had to try to quit 4 times prior before I became successful.  I tried cold-turkey, I tried Zyban, I tried the patch 2 times and I failed each time. I finally got smart after the 4th time and research ways to deal with the cravings.  It didn’t work at first, but by the time I decided to try it again in February, I new what to expect and how best to deal with them. I talked to my doctor about the possibility of using 2 patches instead of one.  My logic was that I was a big guy and I needed more nicotine to help curb the cravings.  Smoking my cigs, I was getting about 70 mg of NIC per day.  The strongest patch is only 21mg, so even using 2 patches, I was only getting about half of what my body was used to.  Believe it or not, that made the difference for me!!  I was off the patches completely in 3 weeks instead of the suggested 10 weeks! For the longest time, I was of the belief that you should tackle one problem at a time, but I soon came to the realization that all of my poor habits and I decided it was best for "ME" to take on all of the beasts in my life at once.  It’s been a long and difficult struggle, and my progress has been extremely slow, but little by little I am starting to see improvement in all areas. The hardest thing about quitting was getting the signal to my brain that each meal was over.  As most smokers know, having that cig after each meal is automatic!  Not having that smoke causes the brain to think that you are still in eating mode.  I substituted my after meal cig at first by having an orange after each meal.  Then I progressed to getting up from the table and immediately brushing my teeth and rinsing with Listerine……the food cravings stopped after a few weeks. I’ve been fortunate……my weightloss has not been grand, but at least I can let you know that by dealing with all of my problems at once, I was able to maintain my weight for almost 6 months and in the last 6 weeks, the low-carbing has helped me lose over 10 lbs.  Like I said, it slow, but at least I haven’t gained! Good luck to any out there that are brave enough and smart enough to try, try, try! I never thought I could do it…..but I did it! Eddie Type 2

I was asked the other day if I still wasn’t smoking. I realised Its been over a year now since the asd smokeout. gee that year went fast. I happily said yes I rarely even think about it now. I had been a smoker for about 23 years and was smoking 25 a day. I was lurking in the group and made a last moment decision to quit, motivated in a big part by the asd smokeout.        Thank you. The discussion went on a bit more and she said I’m planning to quit soon any tips? this is what I said ( put simply ) The best tip I got ( from the group ) which helped me control things was that the urges / cravings, last on average for around 50 seconds to one minute long. then they pass (completely) for 5-10 minutes. you can physically feel the craving,a very powerful force that takes over your whole body but it passes like a wave after about a minute. after 3 or 4 days the time between cravings moved out to 12-15 minutes apart. In my experience all the hard work is done in 3 weeks. after three weeks the frequency and intensity of the cravings are much reduced and easier to handle. If you can last a month you’ve done it. she asked about motivation, I said I actually enjoyed smoking but I was already a candidate for hypertension and heart attack with Diabetes. I would like to add a personal opinion which some may disagree with. If you are seriously losing weight to improve your diabetes control and want to quit smoking, postpone quitting smoking until your weight loss is complete. Then tackle the cigs. Andrew.

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Congratulations! I quit cold-turkey and didn’t gain weight — until I went on a 2-week cruise (eat, drink, make very merry!), and I don’t think smoking would have helped there. :) bj 30 yrs "ex".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was asked the other day if I still wasn’t smoking. > I realised Its been over a year now since the asd smokeout. gee that > year went fast. > I happily said yes I rarely even think about it now.

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<<I would like to add a personal opinion which some may disagree with. If you are seriously losing weight to improve your diabetes control and want to quit smoking, postpone quitting smoking until your weight loss is complete.  Then tackle the cigs. >> With respect Andrew that is shear and utter bullshit.  If someone is intent on giving up smoking DO IT NOW.  Immediately, straightaway.  Not in an hour or tomorrow or next week or when the weight comes off BUT NOW Take care   Barry UK

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He said it’s his personal opinion. It’s mine too. Other people might have a different opinion, which you obviously do, but it’s still an opinion. :-) — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ><<I would like to add a personal opinion which some may disagree with. >If you are seriously losing weight to improve your diabetes control >and want to quit smoking, postpone quitting smoking until your weight >loss is complete.  Then tackle the cigs. >> >With respect Andrew that is shear and utter bullshit.  If someone is intent >on giving up smoking DO IT NOW.  Immediately, straightaway.  Not in an hour >or tomorrow or next week or when the weight comes off BUT NOW >Take care   Barry UK

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><<I would like to add a personal opinion which some may disagree with. >If you are seriously losing weight to improve your diabetes control >and want to quit smoking, postpone quitting smoking until your weight >loss is complete.  Then tackle the cigs. >> >With respect Andrew that is shear and utter bullshit.  If someone is intent >on giving up smoking DO IT NOW.  Immediately, straightaway.  Not in an hour >or tomorrow or next week or when the weight comes off BUT NOW

That’s fine if you can do both Barry I put weightloss as the same if not more important than quitting smoking, for an insulin resistant T2 diabetic. Both are difficult to do. What I am saying Is that if you are successfully losing weight don’t let trying to quit smoking stuff it up. Personally I think if I had tried to do both at once I would have been setting myself up for failure. >Take care   Barry UK

U2 Andrew

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>Congratulations!

Thanks BJ

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>Hi there Andrew, >Interesting information  from someone who has done it.  I’m am very >happy for you.

Thanks Annette >I’ve tried to quit the ciggies so may times I’ve lost count. >I sure am tired though, of people telling me how bad it is for me, >(like, I don’t know that?), calling me names as if smoking makes me >immoral or weak willed, or refusing to believe how difficult it is >for ME.

I was fortunate enough not to encounter that sort of thing. My teenage daughter used to give me a lecture sometimes but I saw that as a positive :-)  The last time I really gave it my best shot, and didn’t >smoke for 3 weeks, the cravings became continual, with no let up, I >had such terrible nightmares that I was afraid to  fall asleep, and >ended up having a nervous breakdown. >So I resumed the smoking, and that helped, but it took medication >from the doctor  to overcome the nightmares, and years to get over >the breakdown. Since then, I’ve tried the nicotine chewing gum, the >patches, and all the rest.  After a few days, I get into such an >anxiety state, and can’t function because of the depression etc, >that I just give  up and go back to the smokes.

Its a fact that giving up smoking is harder for some than others, withdrawal symptoms can vary from mild to severe depending on the person.Depression is one of the more severe symptoms, I just got a little agitated and annoyed sometimes >I’ve had counselling too, and one chap said the only other people he >knew of who’ve had the same withdrawal symptoms were those coming >off amphetimines.  I’ve been offered the anti-depressant medication >that  works for some, but I don’t want to take that either (bad side >effects in the past).

Annette I’m sorry to hear it’s been so tough for you, I think if I had been through all you have with trying to quit smoking I would take a different approach. I’d probably accept being a smoker, not feel guilty about it and manage it to a level I was comfortable with, I guess that is what you are doing. >I’ve even been told by a heart specialist that no surgeon would do a >bypass or whatever on me if I needed one, because I was a smoker.  I >guess I’m more scared of the mental hell I once experienced than I >am of dying. Actually the thing I resent the most is the cost of the >darn things.

The last carton I bought over a year ago was A$ 54.00 for 200 all the savings have been more than used up on food quality. >So my friends, if you don’t smoke, don’t ever take it up, and if you >do smoke, and can quit, DO IT NOW!  The longer you smoke,  the more >you smoke, and the harder it gets, as a rule. I’ve been smoking for >47yrs. It’s a mugs game. >Annette

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Thanks Eddie >I quit back in February, after 20 years of smoking 20 to 25 a day.

Congratulations to you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve been overweight since I was 12 and now that I am 41 I am the largest >When I decided to quit smoking, I was worried about possibly gaining another >10 to 25 lbs. as most people do. >I had to try to quit 4 times prior before I became successful.  I tried >cold-turkey, I tried Zyban, I tried the patch 2 times and I failed each >time. >I finally got smart after the 4th time and research ways to deal with the >cravings.  It didn’t work at first, but by the time I decided to try it >again in February, I new what to expect and how best to deal with them. >I talked to my doctor about the possibility of using 2 patches instead of >one.  My logic was that I was a big guy and I needed more nicotine to help >curb the cravings.  Smoking my cigs, I was getting about 70 mg of NIC per >day.  The strongest patch is only 21mg, so even using 2 patches, I was only >getting about half of what my body was used to.  Believe it or not, that >made the difference for me!!  I was off the patches completely in 3 weeks >instead of the suggested 10 weeks! >For the longest time, I was of the belief that you should tackle one problem >at a time, but I soon came to the realization that all of my poor habits and >I decided it was best for "ME" to take on all of the beasts in my life at >once.  It’s been a long and difficult struggle, and my progress has been >extremely slow, but little by little I am starting to see improvement in all >areas. >The hardest thing about quitting was getting the signal to my brain that >each meal was over.  As most smokers know, having that cig after each meal >is automatic!  Not having that smoke causes the brain to think that you are >still in eating mode.  I substituted my after meal cig at first by having an >orange after each meal.  Then I progressed to getting up from the table and >immediately brushing my teeth and rinsing with Listerine……the food >cravings stopped after a few weeks.

I actually struggled for a while there and did gain a few pounds, Ive got it under control ok now but I still drink more black tea and coffee than I used to. >I’ve been fortunate……my weightloss has not been grand, but at least I >can let you know that by dealing with all of my problems at once, I was able >to maintain my weight for almost 6 months and in the last 6 weeks, the >low-carbing has helped me lose over 10 lbs.  Like I said, it slow, but at >least I haven’t gained!

Congratulations again Eddie.To quit smoking and manage weight loss at the same time is quite an achievement imo. >Good luck to any out there that are brave enough and smart enough to try, >try, try! >I never thought I could do it…..but I did it! >Eddie >Type 2

Andrew.

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Eye question

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Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, well .. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets their bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general indication of what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m really interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i am to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m going to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it. Patrick

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> Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, well > .. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets their > bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general indication of > what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it > doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m really > interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i am > to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m going > to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it.

        I was diagnosed with the "beginnings" prolipherative retinopathy a few years ago.   I maintained A1c’s of around 5.5 and two years later, I was told the retinopathy had reversed itself.   I was given no treatment in the meantime, other than my own diabetic self-care.         If your retinopathy is severe enough, they will zap you with a laser.   The laser will stop the proliferation at that spot, but also destroy the retina in that small spot.                 E

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, well > .. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets their > bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general indication of > what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it > doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m really > interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i am > to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m going > to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it. > I was diagnosed with the "beginnings" prolipherative retinopathy a few > years ago.   I maintained A1c’s of around 5.5 and two years later, I was > told the retinopathy had reversed itself.   I was given no treatment in > the meantime, other than my own diabetic self-care. > If your retinopathy is severe enough, they will zap you with a laser. >   The laser will stop the proliferation at that spot, but also destroy > the retina in that small spot. > E

Their exact words " you might need laser treatment in a couple of years" so now that i’m running proper bg’s i stand a reasonable chance of keeping my sight as it is ….. you have no idea ( actually you probably do) how glad i am to hear that! Thanks Patrick

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Oh, you probably WILL need laser surgery BUT, not in a "couple" of years – now, "eventually" Also, since you are being checked regularly, you will likely get treatment before any damage is done. 5 years ago, I almost lost the sight in one eye, because I didn’t KNOW I had a problem.  At the time, he said "I’ll check again in 6 months to see about follow up."  He has checked, every 6 months.  Each time it has been "not bad, make another appointment for us to take a look " and my eyesight in the bad eye is now at 20/24 in the good eye 20/18. As an aside, laser surgery takes five minuets, and is painless – retinal photos are MUCH more of a hassle, particularly ones with dye! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, > well >>.. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets > their >>bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general > indication of >>what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it >>doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m > really >>interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i > am >>to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m > going >>to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it. >I was diagnosed with the "beginnings" prolipherative retinopathy a few >years ago.   I maintained A1c’s of around 5.5 and two years later, I was >told the retinopathy had reversed itself.   I was given no treatment in >the meantime, other than my own diabetic self-care. >If your retinopathy is severe enough, they will zap you with a laser. >  The laser will stop the proliferation at that spot, but also destroy >the retina in that small spot. >E > Their exact words " you might need laser treatment in a couple of years" so > now that i’m running proper bg’s i stand a reasonable chance of keeping my > sight as it is ….. you have no idea ( actually you probably do) how glad i > am to hear that! > Thanks > Patrick

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Cheers again folks, am feeling a lil better about things ;)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, you probably WILL need laser surgery > BUT, not in a "couple" of years – now, "eventually" > Also, since you are being checked regularly, you will likely get > treatment before any damage is done. > 5 years ago, I almost lost the sight in one eye, because I didn’t KNOW I > had a problem.  At the time, he said "I’ll check again in 6 months to > see about follow up."  He has checked, every 6 months.  Each time it has > been "not bad, make another appointment for us to take a look " and my > eyesight in the bad eye is now at 20/24 in the good eye 20/18. > As an aside, laser surgery takes five minuets, and is painless – retinal > photos are MUCH more of a hassle, particularly ones with dye! >>>Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, > well >>>.. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets > their >>>bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general > indication of >>>what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it >>>doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m > really >>>interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i > am >>>to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m > going >>>to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it. >>I was diagnosed with the "beginnings" prolipherative retinopathy a few >>years ago.   I maintained A1c’s of around 5.5 and two years later, I was >>told the retinopathy had reversed itself.   I was given no treatment in >>the meantime, other than my own diabetic self-care. >>If your retinopathy is severe enough, they will zap you with a laser. >>  The laser will stop the proliferation at that spot, but also destroy >>the retina in that small spot. >>E > Their exact words " you might need laser treatment in a couple of years" so > now that i’m running proper bg’s i stand a reasonable chance of keeping my > sight as it is ….. you have no idea ( actually you probably do) how glad i > am to hear that! > Thanks > Patrick

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>Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, well >.. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets their >bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general indication of >what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it >doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m really >interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i am >to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m going >to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it. >Patrick

first you need to follow the advise of an ophthalmologist preferably one that specializes in diabetic eye disease.  the ophthal is the best qualified to advise you on your case. second you can pretty much write off your vision and bet on going blind if you do NOT get your diabetic act together.  Because you are correct, diabetic retinopthropy is progressive. If the doc recommends laser treatment, have it done.  Maintaining your BG as close to non diabetic numbers as consistently as possible will slow the progression and in some cases may even stop it.  This all depends on how far you are actually along in the retinopthropy.  My biggest mistake was following the advise of "optometrists" who told me I only needed new glasses over the years and never told me about the retinopthropy.  By the time I started bleeding in my field of vision and was sent to ophthalmologist years of damage had already occurred. The doc saved most of the vision in my left eye but I did lose most of it in my right eye.  I do have difficulty reading these days but technology is helping me to get around that obstacle. what doctor are you seeing for this? Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Does anyone know what will happen if one is diagnosed with retinopathy, well >.. told that they have the starting signs of it. If that person gets their >bg’s under control, is there any hard and fast rule or general indication of >what will happen after that point? I know once the condition appears it >doesn’t go away but can be slowed or brought under control. What i’m really >interested in is if I cleam my act up ( which i have done ) how likely i am >to remain at the stage of being checked, or how likely it is that i’m going >to need corrective laser treatment to really put a stop to it. >Patrick > first you need to follow the advise of an ophthalmologist preferably > one that specializes in diabetic eye disease.  the ophthal is the best > qualified to advise you on your case. > second you can pretty much write off your vision and bet on going > blind if you do NOT get your diabetic act together.  Because you are > correct, diabetic retinopthropy is progressive. > If the doc recommends laser treatment, have it done.  Maintaining your > BG as close to non diabetic numbers as consistently as possible will > slow the progression and in some cases may even stop it.  This all > depends on how far you are actually along in the retinopthropy.  My > biggest mistake was following the advise of "optometrists" who told me > I only needed new glasses over the years and never told me about the > retinopthropy.  By the time I started bleeding in my field of vision > and was sent to ophthalmologist years of damage had already occurred. > The doc saved most of the vision in my left eye but I did lose most of > it in my right eye.  I do have difficulty reading these days but > technology is helping me to get around that obstacle. > what doctor are you seeing for this? > Mack > Type 1 since 1975 > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >  terrorism.

I’m seeing my local surgery for general treatment, a proper diabetic clinic for other things with its own consultant etc etc. Will find out what my hard work has done with regards to Hba1c in two weeks time, till then i’m frankly a little nervous but we’ll see.

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I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 about 1 year ago, twice this week I’ve had trouble focusing my eyes it last a couple of minutes and then I’m OK . Could this be diabetes related ? Thank you, O. Brown

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> I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 about 1 year ago, twice this week I’ve had > trouble focusing my eyes it last a couple of minutes and then I’m OK . Could > this be diabetes related ? > Thank you, > O. Brown

Brown one of the first symptoms of diabetes is blurry eyesight  If yu are in good control, that should have cleared up and if not, then you can still get it.  I seem to get the blurries every night even though I have good control.  When in doubt check it out.  Make an appointment with an opthamologist. Loretta

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Unless you’ve been sipping on some Baptist Hooch-Juice :) don

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 about 1 year ago, twice this week I’ve had > trouble focusing my eyes it last a couple of minutes and then I’m OK . Could > this be diabetes related ? > Thank you, > O. Brown

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Eye problems are what brought me to suspect I had diabetes 3 years ago.  I’m naturally far sighted, and have more problems with reading up close.  So over the years I’ve changed to these Varilux things that are a progressive multifocal without the bifocal "lines".  In my case, my vision suddenly improved and my glasses were too strong for me.  Went to the vision center and got a weaker script.  A week later, I had to go back to my old pair, and I called the vision center for an adjustment.  This went on for 6 weeks, where my eyes would improve and a few days later get worse. With near sighted people it’s the opposite.  Diabetes onset will cause eyesight to worsen and the person will have probs seeing distance with no big change in reading power.  This early eye problem is not permanent but does have something to do with slight changes in the shape of the eye, like an astigmatism.  As soon as you gain control over the sugar, the eyes will stabilize. Larry (Kevin to my doc)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 about 1 year ago, twice this week I’ve had > trouble focusing my eyes it last a couple of minutes and then I’m OK . Could > this be diabetes related ? > Thank you, > O. Brown

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Thanks to all that replied, Its more than just things out of focus it more like THINGS OUT OF FOCUS feels like my eyes are jumping around, I lose my balance ,I’ll go to the veterans hospital see what they say .It’s 120 miles away if it happens while driving thing could get interesting. Thanks again O.Brown

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eye problems are what brought me to suspect I had diabetes 3 years ago. I’m > naturally far sighted, and have more problems with reading up close.  So > over the years I’ve changed to these Varilux things that are a progressive > multifocal without the bifocal "lines".  In my case, my vision suddenly > improved and my glasses were too strong for me.  Went to the vision center > and got a weaker script.  A week later, I had to go back to my old pair, and > I called the vision center for an adjustment.  This went on for 6 weeks, > where my eyes would improve and a few days later get worse. > With near sighted people it’s the opposite.  Diabetes onset will cause > eyesight to worsen and the person will have probs seeing distance with no > big change in reading power.  This early eye problem is not permanent but > does have something to do with slight changes in the shape of the eye, like > an astigmatism.  As soon as you gain control over the sugar, the eyes will > stabilize. > Larry (Kevin to my doc) > I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 about 1 year ago, twice this week I’ve had > trouble focusing my eyes it last a couple of minutes and then I’m OK . > Could > this be diabetes related ? > Thank you, > O. Brown

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Please, please reconsider a long drive (or even a short one) while your vision is so impaired! A local family was recently killed by a driver who had a (epilepsy) seizure — shortly after having one and then self-medicating for it. (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33920-2002Mar28.html) Things can get a lot more than *interesting*. bj

> Thanks to all that replied, Its more than just things out of focus

it more like THINGS OUT OF FOCUS feels like my eyes are jumping around, I lose my balance ,I’ll go to the veterans hospital see what they say .It’s 120 miles away if it happens while driving thing could get interesting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks again > O.Brown

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Yes, be absolutely cautious and learn all you can to defend yourself. Whan that’s done and you’re winning, be arrogant and don’t be shy  about declaring victory. Just see it as it is :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 about 1 year ago, twice this week I’ve had > trouble focusing my eyes it last a couple of minutes and then I’m OK . Could > this be diabetes related ? > Thank you, > O. Brown

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Some dogs keep their eyes open when under anesthetic – and their eyes may dry out and mild infections form. My pets’ folder at the vets has a note about making sure the eyes are lubricated during surgery to resolve this problem. Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > I am hoping someone can give me some information about my Shih Tzu’s eye. > Yesterday she was taken to the vet and put under anasthesia to have her teeth > cleaned.  Just this morning I noticed that there was alot of white mucous in > both of her eyes, so, I cleaned them with a wet paper towel. Then I noticed > that underneath her lower eyelid there was some type of a white bump. Before we > took her to the vet her eyes were absolutely perfect. > My dog is in full coat (top knot and everything) and I’m wondering if her beard > could have caused some type of irritation. I am doubting this though, because > she was perfect before she was put under anasthesia. Does anyone have any > opinions before we take her to the vet?? > Thanks, MrA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Just wanted to let everyone know that I took Muffy to the vet and everything > seems to be fine. I might not have described it as accurately as I had intended > to. It seemed to be underneath her lower eyelid, and rather then a bump, it > seemed like a little white sack. Anyway, the doctor examined it and said that > it has something to do with the third eyelid and that it sometimes happens when > a dog is given anastheshia. We don’t really see it though anymore. > The doctor said that as long as it appears to be gone there shouldn’t be a > problem. But, if there is any discharge to come back. > Thanks, Mra

Glad to hear it, thanks for the update :) -Denise

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Hi, Just wanted to let everyone know that I took Muffy to the vet and everything seems to be fine. I might not have described it as accurately as I had intended to. It seemed to be underneath her lower eyelid, and rather then a bump, it seemed like a little white sack. Anyway, the doctor examined it and said that it has something to do with the third eyelid and that it sometimes happens when a dog is given anastheshia. We don’t really see it though anymore. The doctor said that as long as it appears to be gone there shouldn’t be a problem. But, if there is any discharge to come back. Thanks, Mra

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > I am hoping someone can give me some information about my Shih Tzu’s eye. > Yesterday she was taken to the vet and put under anasthesia to have her teeth > cleaned.  Just this morning I noticed that there was alot of white mucous in > both of her eyes, so, I cleaned them with a wet paper towel. Then I noticed > that underneath her lower eyelid there was some type of a white bump. Before we > took her to the vet her eyes were absolutely perfect. > My dog is in full coat (top knot and everything) and I’m wondering if her beard > could have caused some type of irritation. I am doubting this though, because > she was perfect before she was put under anasthesia. Does anyone have any > opinions before we take her to the vet?? > Thanks, MrA

Sounds like she could possibly be forming an ulcer.  Get her to the vet ASAP, as the sooner it’s treated, the less money it’ll cost you.  I would say it *could* have been caused by some of the tartar from her mouth getting into her eye during her dentistry, but it is unlikely that a bump would have already formed.  Your best bet is to give your vet a call, I am sure he/she will want to see her. -Denise

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Hi all, I am hoping someone can give me some information about my Shih Tzu’s eye. Yesterday she was taken to the vet and put under anasthesia to have her teeth cleaned.  Just this morning I noticed that there was alot of white mucous in both of her eyes, so, I cleaned them with a wet paper towel. Then I noticed that underneath her lower eyelid there was some type of a white bump. Before we took her to the vet her eyes were absolutely perfect. My dog is in full coat (top knot and everything) and I’m wondering if her beard could have caused some type of irritation. I am doubting this though, because she was perfect before she was put under anasthesia. Does anyone have any opinions before we take her to the vet?? Thanks, MrA

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Some dogs keep their eyes open when under anesthetic – and their eyes may dry out and mild infections form. My pets’ folder at the vets has a note about making sure the eyes are lubricated during surgery to resolve this problem. Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > I am hoping someone can give me some information about my Shih Tzu’s eye. > Yesterday she was taken to the vet and put under anasthesia to have her teeth > cleaned.  Just this morning I noticed that there was alot of white mucous in > both of her eyes, so, I cleaned them with a wet paper towel. Then I noticed > that underneath her lower eyelid there was some type of a white bump. Before we > took her to the vet her eyes were absolutely perfect. > My dog is in full coat (top knot and everything) and I’m wondering if her beard > could have caused some type of irritation. I am doubting this though, because > she was perfect before she was put under anasthesia. Does anyone have any > opinions before we take her to the vet?? > Thanks, MrA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Just wanted to let everyone know that I took Muffy to the vet and everything > seems to be fine. I might not have described it as accurately as I had intended > to. It seemed to be underneath her lower eyelid, and rather then a bump, it > seemed like a little white sack. Anyway, the doctor examined it and said that > it has something to do with the third eyelid and that it sometimes happens when > a dog is given anastheshia. We don’t really see it though anymore. > The doctor said that as long as it appears to be gone there shouldn’t be a > problem. But, if there is any discharge to come back. > Thanks, Mra

Glad to hear it, thanks for the update :) -Denise

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Hi, Just wanted to let everyone know that I took Muffy to the vet and everything seems to be fine. I might not have described it as accurately as I had intended to. It seemed to be underneath her lower eyelid, and rather then a bump, it seemed like a little white sack. Anyway, the doctor examined it and said that it has something to do with the third eyelid and that it sometimes happens when a dog is given anastheshia. We don’t really see it though anymore. The doctor said that as long as it appears to be gone there shouldn’t be a problem. But, if there is any discharge to come back. Thanks, Mra

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > I am hoping someone can give me some information about my Shih Tzu’s eye. > Yesterday she was taken to the vet and put under anasthesia to have her teeth > cleaned.  Just this morning I noticed that there was alot of white mucous in > both of her eyes, so, I cleaned them with a wet paper towel. Then I noticed > that underneath her lower eyelid there was some type of a white bump. Before we > took her to the vet her eyes were absolutely perfect. > My dog is in full coat (top knot and everything) and I’m wondering if her beard > could have caused some type of irritation. I am doubting this though, because > she was perfect before she was put under anasthesia. Does anyone have any > opinions before we take her to the vet?? > Thanks, MrA

Sounds like she could possibly be forming an ulcer.  Get her to the vet ASAP, as the sooner it’s treated, the less money it’ll cost you.  I would say it *could* have been caused by some of the tartar from her mouth getting into her eye during her dentistry, but it is unlikely that a bump would have already formed.  Your best bet is to give your vet a call, I am sure he/she will want to see her. -Denise

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Hi all, I am hoping someone can give me some information about my Shih Tzu’s eye. Yesterday she was taken to the vet and put under anasthesia to have her teeth cleaned.  Just this morning I noticed that there was alot of white mucous in both of her eyes, so, I cleaned them with a wet paper towel. Then I noticed that underneath her lower eyelid there was some type of a white bump. Before we took her to the vet her eyes were absolutely perfect. My dog is in full coat (top knot and everything) and I’m wondering if her beard could have caused some type of irritation. I am doubting this though, because she was perfect before she was put under anasthesia. Does anyone have any opinions before we take her to the vet?? Thanks, MrA

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Low Blood Sugar

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Hi, I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much lower. My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. Thanks, Jerry

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> Hi, > I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my > disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, > stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, > high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly > new at this.

Because you are new, your brain has got so used to readings too high, that now when you are normal ( read 80-100 ) the brain shouts **Hypo!! Hypo!!** even though you are not. Stick with the 80s and 90s and in three weeks or a bit more your brain will be retrained. >From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and > what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much > lower. > My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the > readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am > now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above.

Definitely LESS safe above. Because I am diabetic, my siblings (3) and daughters (2) are at higher risk, so I test them, so far about 40 tests each in the last 3 years or so. The highest I`ve ever found any of them is 87, and the lowest is 70, so I can put my shotgun away (if I ever find any reading of over 110 they is at the doc`s at the end of said shotgun >>> vbg <<< Al. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks, > Jerry

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Jerry, I have had T-1 diabetes for 32 years.  I used to take NPH once a day and it was apparent to me when my bg got low.  Over the years I have developed diabetes unawareness and my wife had to call EMS once because I refused to eat a snack and actually beat my head against the wall and EMS had to restrain me.  Now I take Lantus and Humalog and even though I still get some low reading of 40 or 50 I am able to handle it, but to answer your question, in my case I don’t usually have a problem at 100.  I now have celiac disease(CD) and the gluten free diet complicates what I can eat for a snack as almost everything has wheat or flour in it. Charles

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my > disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, > stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, > high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly > new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and > what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much > lower. > My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the > readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am > now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. > Thanks, > Jerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, >I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my >disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, >stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, >high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly >new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and >what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much >lower. >My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the >readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am >now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. >Thanks, >Jerry

   As Al Hardy said,  you’ve "trained your hypothalamus" to regard "normal" blood sugars as too low. . .primarily by spending a lot of time at high blood sugars.    You can retrain your hypothatlums by normalizing your sugars.   As Al says,  you had better!   (That’s way to a long, pain-free life as a diabetic.) Many of us will also sense a rapid drop as "too low".    It’s almost always folks who augment their self-generated insulin supplies who experience this type of false low,  e.g.  the oral beta stimulators like Glyburide or Prandin;  or the insulin injectors. (Al Hardy’s post is easier to remember for most folks but just in case, I threw in my version) Regards   Old Al

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> Hi, > I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my > disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, > stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, > high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly > new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and > what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much > lower. > My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the > readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am > now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above.

You can get the same sort of symptoms even when your BG is high.  That’s why it’s so important to test.  Another cause of such symptoms is a rapid drop in BG.  If you are at those numbers and are going to be active, then eat 15 g of fast acting carbs to prevent an actual hypo.  You might have to experiment with this.  You don’t want high BG.  15 g might be too much for you.  That amount works for me.  If you are not planning to be active and still feeling unwell, eat 5 g of fast acting carbs.  This will raise your BG only slightly, but it will stop the bad feelings.  This should be better with time.  Once your BG has become stable for a while, you’ll feel better. You might also do some more frequent testing to make sure that your BG isn’t spiking then dropping.  If it is, then you need to rework your diet to prevent the spike.  Either add some fat, eat less carbs, or change the source of the carbs. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Hi Jerry, BG of 90-100 are completely normal and nothing to worry about. When did you measure these levels, between meals, just before a meal or after a meal? Single readings test an instant, and you could be on your way down, steady or up. What is your A1c? From that calculate the daily average BG. It is (A1c-2)x30. This the approximate BG which is typical for you before meals. When I was new to T2, my BG would spike up and crash down all day long. Only when I reduced my carb intake from 4 servings per meal to one (15 g) could I get fairly constant BG outside the two hour prandial periods. Fred Henzi T2, <80 g carb per day, no meds.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my > disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, > stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, > high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly > new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and > what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much > lower. > My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the > readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am > now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. > Thanks, > Jerry

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>Because you are new, your brain has got so used to readings too high, that >now when you are normal ( read 80-100 ) the brain shouts **Hypo!! Hypo!!** >even though you are not. Stick with the 80s and 90s and in three weeks or a >bit more your brain will be retrained.

I’ll second that. I never knew the reason (thanks Al) but when I was first diagnosed I got hypo symptoms – sweats, trembles etc – if I went under 5 (90). Since I developed better control I haven’t had one for a long time; the last one was 3.2 (60). I get a surprise if my test shows between 4 and 5 because I no longer get symptoms at that level. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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several things to consider: 1. you bg’s may be dropping quickly.  that will cause you to shake more than if your bg drifts slowly down. 2. you will feel worse at a "good" bg like 100 if you are usually quite high most of the time.  that will change once you get good control 3.  maybe your meter isn’t accurate.  If it’s a meter made by Lifescan, that would be highly unlikely.  I use the Ultra by Lifescan.  It’s quick, accurate and compact.  Before that I used their similar Fast Take.  That one was slower and wouldn’t work at temperature extremes commonly encountered. dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, > I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my > disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, > stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, > high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly > new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and > what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much > lower. > My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the > readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am > now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. > Thanks, > Jerry

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I’m T1 and use a Lifescan Ultra.  You folks are giving me the picture.  As I roam this newsgroup and gather other info I’m reminded once again that I have to overcome some denial and realize I have to do some ‘work’ to get this disease under better control.  Always looking for the easier softer way, I guess. I do appreciate your input, you guys. Jer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my > disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, > stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, > high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly > new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and > what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much > lower. > My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the > readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am > now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. > Thanks, > Jerry

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>Hi, >I am pretty sure by now that when my blood sugar gets low so does my >disposition.  In other words, if I am feeling cranky, irritable, shaky, >stomach empty, and take a glucose reading it’s usually on the low side, ie, >high 90’s-low100’s.  At least I think this is the case although I’m fairly >new at this.  From reading posts, etc. on the subject of low blood sugar and >what I’ve described above, I would expect my glucose readings to be much >lower. >My question is: can some individuals experience hypoglycemia with the >readings I’m getting?  I’ve cheered the readings I’ve been getting but am >now wondering if I’m safer at levels somewhat above. >Thanks, >Jerry

how long has been since you started getting into this range?  if you are fairly new to this "good" BG range then you need to be a little patient as it takes a while for your body to adjust.  Once you are accustomed to the better numbers you won’t feel bad anymore. Also, if your BGs are high and you drop "quickly" to these good numbers then you will experience hypo symptoms.  Even though you are not actually hypo.  It’s the speed of the drop that causes this problem. In either case, to make the symptoms go away eat a small amount of carbs.  normally no more than 10 to 15 grams of fast carbs. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.  

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Diabetes Is Just Inconvienient

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>I had someone say I have a "touch of diabetes."  She’s a nurse.  She’s also >diabetic.  That’s frightening.

Years ago, when I was first diagnosed, a customer and I struck up a conversation, somehow discovering each of us was diabetic.  When discussing treatment, I mentioned that I took oral meds only. "Oh, so you aren’t a REAL diabetic then!" Wish I remembered who she was……I’d like to update my "credentials" now that I’ve been on insulin and oral meds for 4 yrs now. Ignorance abounds…….even among *us*. Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please.   Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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I let a lot of the stuff go in one ear and out the other.  I figure I manage my own disease and I know how "real" it is.  You should see the looks I get when they find out I’m bipolar. "Well, you don’t look mentally ill!"  I think they expect me to be carrying an ax in my purse.  I’ve learned to laugh it off to their ignorance. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I had someone say I have a "touch of diabetes."  She’s a nurse.  She’s also >diabetic.  That’s frightening. > Years ago, when I was first diagnosed, a customer and I struck up a > conversation, somehow discovering each of us was diabetic.  When discussing > treatment, I mentioned that I took oral meds only. > "Oh, so you aren’t a REAL diabetic then!" > Wish I remembered who she was……I’d like to update my "credentials" now that > I’ve been on insulin and oral meds for 4 yrs now. > Ignorance abounds…….even among *us*. > Bev > Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. > Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet > /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk > More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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>I let a lot of the stuff go in one ear and out the other.  I figure I manage >my own disease and I know how "real" it is.  You should see the looks I get >when they find out I’m bipolar. >"Well, you don’t look mentally ill!"  I think they expect me to be carrying >an ax in my purse.  I’ve learned to laugh it off to their ignorance.

It’s good to know when to try to educate the ignorant and when to let them wallow in thier "bliss". A number of years ago, a family member was diagnosed with schizophrenia. (he’s managing very well after 22 years)  A mutual acquaintence asked how he was fairing, and I told her it was a learning process and then she asked "How many personalities does he have anyway?"  My efforts to educate her were met with a glazed eyed expression and then a question as to how I liked the weather.  I shoulda known better :)

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>I had someone say I have a "touch of diabetes."  She’s a nurse.  She’s also >diabetic.  That’s frightening.

Colleen, I’m also a nurse and a diabetic, I appologize for my profession when they  say "stupid" things like that…. It infuriates me both as a nurse and a diabetic. Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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>I’ve known her for years.  I take everything she says with a grain of salt. >No sugar. ;>)

:::::::big knowing smile::::: Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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I’ve known her for years.  I take everything she says with a grain of salt. No sugar. ;>) — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I had someone say I have a "touch of diabetes."  She’s a nurse.  She’s also >diabetic.  That’s frightening. > Colleen, > I’m also a nurse and a diabetic, I appologize for my profession when they say > "stupid" things like that…. It infuriates me both as a nurse and a diabetic. > Ruthie > Up here in Michigan. > Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. > Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! > and……. > Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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I find diabetes very inconvenient. But no more than that.  On the other hand, I know how serious it is for some people, and would be rather angry at those folks who said that. — Wes Groleau When all you have is a perl, everything looks like a string.

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My pastor sometimes says, "Ignorance can be fixed; stupidity is terminal." — Wes Groleau Heroes, Heritage, and History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau/

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perfect execution, Quentin…… pun intended!! kate Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This post not CC’d by email >I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su . > G’day G’day Su, >   I take it you didn’t argue with the man.  IMHO that was sensible. > People who say ignorant things are contagious.  They have an uncanny > knack of passing on the appearance of stupidity to the people they > talk.  As you say he was an educated man and that implies some skills. > On the other hand it can be kind of fun to re-educate the educated. > Education has as its root a word meaning "to draw out" not to cram in, > so how does one draw out from the seemingly ignorant an intelligent > appreciation of the reality of diabetes. > Step ONE. > Say "OK, so … " > Accept being told what you have been told. > Step TWO >             … the way you HEARD it diabetes is inconvenient and not > a serious illness > This is called separating the map from the territory.  We all know > eating the menu doesn’t make a restaurant meal. Try eating one to > fully appreciate the difference if you have any lingering doubts. > In saying "the way you heard it" we are implying he is relying on > hearsay and doesn’t in fact have first hand knowledge. It will give > him a chance for a graceful exit later on. Remember he is educated if > somewhat stupid and will continue to argue or at least provoke > unfortunate responses if cornered. > Step THREE > …like uh … like uh." > Let him fill in what he considers serious illnesses.  This is really > quite vital allowing him to build some conscious of what serious > illnesses are.  It also allows you to build a cascade of agreement. > Step FOUR. > Throw in a few "randomly" chosen serious illnesses eg blindness, > kidney failure, coronary heart disease, stroke, amputation of limbs, > loss of sensation. > Nothing like being helpful. > As I say this is nothing like being helpful. > Make sure all chambers are loaded before pulling the trigger. > Step FIVE. > You might even agree that impotence is not serious or anything … > unless you’re a bloke or as a woman one is intelligent enough to > realise impotence is a warning sign of cardiovascular disease. > Blah, blah. > Teaching a principle by analogy. > Step SIX. > "It’s rotten, isn’t it, that a disease that looks to others like it is > only an inconvenience can lead to such serious consequences. Diabetes > is like that.  When people are first diagnosed many of them are in > denial. They think all they have to do is take a pill and everything > will be alright.  Little do they know that without tight control and > even with tight control diabetes can lead to serious illnesses eg > blindness, kidney failure, coronary heart disease, stroke, amputation > of limbs, loss of sensation." > Notice we are still talking about ignorance without at any stage > calling him names. > Step ZERO > My apologies if I have made this seem simple.  It took me a long time > to figure out that I could do it at all … so long as I used some > standard steps to get started.  The starting steps had to be routine > in order to get into one’s stride. > Best wishes, > Hope this helps a few people "next time." > — > Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / > New Zealand,       >#,#< [ >                     / / > "... and the blind dog was leading." > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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>I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su .

Next time you meet him, try asking in casual conversation: " Do you ever get pins and needles, that tingly feeling in your toes - or numb fingers?" Who hasn't, even when we were healthy? But if he says no: "ever get tired or watery eyes, blurred vision?" And if he says no: "dizziness, trembling fingers?" and so on - until you find a symptom. Then appear terribly concened - "oh my goodness. Don't worry about it - it's probably nothing - I'm sorry I shouldn't have worried you - no, no I won't say any more - I must be wrong....". And don't explain to him further; or if you really want to drive it home, later explain retinopathy, neuropathy etc to his wife and suggest an A1c test.  But then - I'm cruel Cheers Alan T2, Oz

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For some people diabetes is only an inconvenience.  In the early stages that may be very true.  I see a few where they do well into old age.   It seems to me that it is bit more.   But   we now have the option of good control and ability to measure blood sugar easily. We have a wealth of information that has been sorted out for us to assimilate.  The future is a bit brighter today. But only if you deal with the problem.   WAGS do have a consequence.                                  Guy   - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> Now my question is how do others feel about this > remark. I found it quite ignorant, especially as I was talking to an > educated man, who is weel read. I was furious. >I'm not. I just feel for him, as the symptoms of diabetes can be brought >under control, yet the symptoms of brain damage are way more difficult - >if not impossible - to control.

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>Well, when Dr. Barrett, the president elect of the ADA says that there's >no correlation between BG and mood swings, depression etc., what can you >expect from lay people? To me, it was very inconvenient at first, but >not much these days. Still, I would rather not have it if given a >choice. :-)

one can be a tightly controlled diabetic with no BG swings and still suffer mood swings and depression as a direct result of being a diabetic or having any other disease.  It's human nature. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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>I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su .

that's simple, you reply: "Why you're absolutely right!  If it were a really serious illness, it would cause people to go blind, suffer kidney failure, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, nerve damage, amputations.. hey! wait a minute, that's exactly what happens because of diabetes...damn what an inconvenience!" and then just continue eating and see what he says. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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I had something similar happen to me when a family member said, "Oh, is that all you have?" And I replied with the question, "Excuse me, but what do you mean?" And when she said, "You just can't have any sugars now." I took the time to explain what it what it could have been caused by, what it can cause in the future and what I have to do to keep my BG's down and she literally turned pale. "I never knew it was as bad as that." she finally said. Then my wife said, "No, it's worse because it's hard on the rest of us, too." Now it looks like my step-mom-in-law may have it also. She's having an A1C done tomorrow. Budd - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This post not CC'd by email >I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su . > G'day G'day Su, >   I take it you didn't argue with the man.  IMHO that was sensible. > People who say ignorant things are contagious.  They have an uncanny > knack of passing on the appearance of stupidity to the people they > talk.  As you say he was an educated man and that implies some skills. > On the other hand it can be kind of fun to re-educate the educated. > Education has as its root a word meaning "to draw out" not to cram in, > so how does one draw out from the seemingly ignorant an intelligent > appreciation of the reality of diabetes. > Step ONE.   > Say "OK, so ... " > Accept being told what you have been told. > Step TWO >             ... the way you HEARD it diabetes is inconvenient and not > a serious illness > This is called separating the map from the territory.  We all know > eating the menu doesn't make a restaurant meal. Try eating one to > fully appreciate the difference if you have any lingering doubts. > In saying "the way you heard it" we are implying he is relying on > hearsay and doesn't in fact have first hand knowledge. It will give > him a chance for a graceful exit later on. Remember he is educated if > somewhat stupid and will continue to argue or at least provoke > unfortunate responses if cornered. > Step THREE > ...like uh ... like uh." > Let him fill in what he considers serious illnesses.  This is really > quite vital allowing him to build some conscious of what serious > illnesses are.  It also allows you to build a cascade of agreement. > Step FOUR. > Throw in a few "randomly" chosen serious illnesses eg blindness, > kidney failure, coronary heart disease, stroke, amputation of limbs, > loss of sensation.   > Nothing like being helpful.   > As I say this is nothing like being helpful. > Make sure all chambers are loaded before pulling the trigger. > Step FIVE. > You might even agree that impotence is not serious or anything ... > unless you're a bloke or as a woman one is intelligent enough to > realise impotence is a warning sign of cardiovascular disease.   > Blah, blah.   > Teaching a principle by analogy. > Step SIX. > "It's rotten, isn't it, that a disease that looks to others like it is > only an inconvenience can lead to such serious consequences. Diabetes > is like that.  When people are first diagnosed many of them are in > denial. They think all they have to do is take a pill and everything > will be alright.  Little do they know that without tight control and > even with tight control diabetes can lead to serious illnesses eg > blindness, kidney failure, coronary heart disease, stroke, amputation > of limbs, loss of sensation."   > Notice we are still talking about ignorance without at any stage > calling him names. > Step ZERO   > My apologies if I have made this seem simple.  It took me a long time > to figure out that I could do it at all ... so long as I used some > standard steps to get started.  The starting steps had to be routine > in order to get into one's stride. > Best wishes, > Hope this helps a few people "next time."

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This post not CC'd by email >I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su .

G'day G'day Su,   I take it you didn't argue with the man.  IMHO that was sensible. People who say ignorant things are contagious.  They have an uncanny knack of passing on the appearance of stupidity to the people they talk.  As you say he was an educated man and that implies some skills. On the other hand it can be kind of fun to re-educate the educated. Education has as its root a word meaning "to draw out" not to cram in, so how does one draw out from the seemingly ignorant an intelligent appreciation of the reality of diabetes. Step ONE.   Say "OK, so ... " Accept being told what you have been told. Step TWO             ... the way you HEARD it diabetes is inconvenient and not a serious illness This is called separating the map from the territory.  We all know eating the menu doesn't make a restaurant meal. Try eating one to fully appreciate the difference if you have any lingering doubts. In saying "the way you heard it" we are implying he is relying on hearsay and doesn't in fact have first hand knowledge. It will give him a chance for a graceful exit later on. Remember he is educated if somewhat stupid and will continue to argue or at least provoke unfortunate responses if cornered. Step THREE ...like uh ... like uh." Let him fill in what he considers serious illnesses.  This is really quite vital allowing him to build some conscious of what serious illnesses are.  It also allows you to build a cascade of agreement. Step FOUR. Throw in a few "randomly" chosen serious illnesses eg blindness, kidney failure, coronary heart disease, stroke, amputation of limbs, loss of sensation.   Nothing like being helpful.   As I say this is nothing like being helpful. Make sure all chambers are loaded before pulling the trigger. Step FIVE. You might even agree that impotence is not serious or anything ... unless you're a bloke or as a woman one is intelligent enough to realise impotence is a warning sign of cardiovascular disease.   Blah, blah.   Teaching a principle by analogy. Step SIX. "It's rotten, isn't it, that a disease that looks to others like it is only an inconvenience can lead to such serious consequences. Diabetes is like that.  When people are first diagnosed many of them are in denial. They think all they have to do is take a pill and everything will be alright.  Little do they know that without tight control and even with tight control diabetes can lead to serious illnesses eg blindness, kidney failure, coronary heart disease, stroke, amputation of limbs, loss of sensation."   Notice we are still talking about ignorance without at any stage calling him names. Step ZERO   My apologies if I have made this seem simple.  It took me a long time to figure out that I could do it at all ... so long as I used some standard steps to get started.  The starting steps had to be routine in order to get into one's stride. Best wishes, Hope this helps a few people "next time." -- Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       >#,#< [                     / /     "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Well, ignorance is bliss! I can sort of understand where he was coming from.  If you think about it, most diabetics "look" healthy.  (They tend to eat healthy and exercise.)  It took me many years to actually come to terms with the fact that I am not healthy.  I may look healthy and feel healthy, but I am not.  (I was diagnosed T1 when I was 14.) Also, because of medicines, effort and awareness a lot of diabetics we do what we have to do and keep going.  The only people who really understand my struggles are my family and other diabetics.  I think that you have to live with a diabetic to truly appreciate the toll it takes. Also, I think that there has been something of an effort on behalf of the medical community to somewhat downplay what it means to be diabetic.  Two reasons: 1) With care and some luck you can lead a normal, long and relatively healthy life, and 2) They don't want to scare the pants off of those who are may be on the fence about getting tested.  If they can make it appear like more of a lifestyle change rather than the monster chronic disease that it is, fearful people may be more inclined to get tested. I agree with you that the man made a very ignorant and crass remark.  He is obviously a fortunate man not to deal with hypers, hypos, shots, testing, food restrictions, heart problems, neuropathy, blindness, kidney failure, etc. Steph

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> I am a lurker and post occasionally. > I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the > other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a > mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc > etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was > getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST > INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". > Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite > ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. > I was furious. > Su .

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> I am a lurker and post occasionally. > I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the > other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a > mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc > etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was > getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST > INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". > Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite > ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. > I was furious. > Su .

I'm a T2 and don't even find it inconvenient. If anything my Dx opened my eyes a bit and forced me top take action regarding my health now instead of later. I'm the better for it...healthier than I was at 25 !! I'm more active, stronger, fitter than ever. It is a serious illness and can be very inconvenient if one doesn't take care of themselves. If one does take care of themselves they have an opportunity to live a long, heathy life.

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Well, when Dr. Barrett, the president elect of the ADA says that there's no correlation between BG and mood swings, depression etc., what can you expect from lay people? To me, it was very inconvenient at first, but not much these days. Still, I would rather not have it if given a choice. :-) -- Cheri - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - >I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su .

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Yopu have all made me laugh..!!! and i loved CeeBee's answer, but unfortunately I didn't say anything to the chap, as I was stumped for words, as his wife is a good friend of mine and should be very aware, I have explained patiently. Type 1 Noivorapid & Lantus

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> Now my question is how do others feel about this > remark. I found it quite ignorant, especially as I was talking to an > educated man, who is weel read. I was furious. > I'm not. I just feel for him, as the symptoms of diabetes can be brought > under control, yet the symptoms of brain damage are way more difficult - > if not impossible - to control. > -- > CeeBee > Uxbridge: "By God, sir, I've lost my leg!" > Wellington: "By God, sir, so you have!"

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>I am a lurker and post occasionally. >I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the >other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a >mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc >etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was >getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST >INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". >Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite >ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. >I was furious. >Su .

Inconvenient? Well in my case that was true to begin with. Now it is much less so and a positive benefit to me. *NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS* Well the correct definition is Chronic. Meaning incurable and is taken so seriously that i have been given a lifetime medication [and related periphial treatment] excemption certificate. [actually a small plastic ID Type card] so if it is not that serious – you freinds husband might like to consider that he has got it wrong eh? The reality is that the seriousness can vary from individual to individual and each is different.  For some I know very well [now] T2 is devastating and they have other associated problems which threaten their lives. In my case I am one of the lucky ones. I found out early, no complications and no present tendancies towards near future system failures etc. So for me the truth is that my T2 is not ‘that serious’ insomuch as it hardly impinges on my life or restricts what i can do. But of course that depends on how i behave dont it? I am still fit enough to enjoy my impending retirement [2 years to go] but I won’t be unless I keep looking after myself with a serious attitude. The attitude you got annoyed about is pretty much typical across the world. Unless someone has personal experience of Diabetes – they know someone or have it in the family – then it is pretty much a mystery to them. There is no reson why they would be otherwise. Before I was Dx’d I knew precisely nothing about diabetes cept that there were different types and insulin was involved. Oh I knew what hypo and hyper were. [Pub quizz question] Thinking back  - hindsight is a wonderful thing – knowledge of diabetes would not have assisited me in any way at all nor benefited me much. I am sure that for the majority of normal people the same is true for them. But public awareness about this disease is becoming greater and by the end of my generation awareness globaly may prevent silly remarks like the one you heard. Think back to the day when Aids was first understood and the public were made aware. Try not to get too rattled by it. Try to educate instead, you will fell better and in the process help someone learn something which may help them. HTH Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to 170 lbs 02/08/03 target 161.

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I am a lurker and post occasionally. I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. I was furious. Su .

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> I am a lurker and post occasionally. > I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the > other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a > mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc > etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was > getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST > INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". > Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite > ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. > I was furious.

I’d be seething too.  Unfortunately, much of the press of late about diabetes tends to lead people to this conclusion.  The people writing such articles are not doing us any favors by implying that if you have diabetes all you have to do is pop a pill, get more exercise and eat healthy foods. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Now my question is how do others feel about this > remark. I found it quite ignorant, especially as I was talking to an > educated man, who is weel read. I was furious.

I’m not. I just feel for him, as the symptoms of diabetes can be brought under control, yet the symptoms of brain damage are way more difficult – if not impossible – to control. — CeeBee Uxbridge: "By God, sir, I’ve lost my leg!" Wellington: "By God, sir, so you have!"

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Stupid is as stupid does.  Since these people have no knowledge of first hand diabetes, they dont understand the ramnifictions of this disease. It is an inconvenience to them because they dont have it.  I wonder if you responded to that ignorant remark. I probably would have gone on a rampage and asked what made them say that,.  And then I would go into what diabetes actually does to a person,  I would educate them in my inimitable fashion. It reminds me when I go into a restaurant that is very crowded and people are waiting, They are very hungry and get testy at times  When the people who have already eaten see this , they make derogatory comments,  Sure, why not, they ate and arent dealing with hunger, I know I would have responded to these people,  But giving them the benefit of the doubt, since they dont deal with diabetes, they dont know what it is all about,  They need education. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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I had someone say I have a "touch of diabetes."  She’s a nurse.  She’s also diabetic.  That’s frightening. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a lurker and post occasionally. > I thought I would share with you something that made me seethe. At lunch the > other day , my friend her husband and me and my huaband were talking about a > mutaul friend who is also type 1 diabetic. They felt that she was lazy etc > etc and her house was not clean. I suggested that maybe her diabetes was > getting her down, to which my friends husband said "WELL DIABETES IS JUST > INCONVIENIENT ITS NOT A SERIOUS ILLNESS OR ANYTHING". > Now my question is how do others feel about this remark. I found it quite > ignorant, especially as I was talking to an educated man, who is weel read. > I was furious. > Su .

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Hit the MD jackpot!

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> >I think Priscilla knows this. I took her "Excuse me?" as a Miss Manners >type comment. Mgeost’s comment was totally out of line. > as are all his posts.

Ah!  Good.  I hadn’t bothered to look him up yet, and I was hoping he wasn’t a serious poster suggesting that I really have Munchausen’s. Priscilla, who indeed had been channeling Miss Manners — The Episcopal Church welcomes you… and you… and you….

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>You also might discuss Munchausen Syndrome with your new physician. >Excuse me? >Priscilla > this particular syndrome is a form of child abuse.  The parent or > child care provider injures the child in some way and then revives the > child or provides first aid then reports the injury to EMS or the ER > in an attempt to get attention and praise.  There is a bit more > involved, but that is the basics of the problem.

That’s Munchausen by Proxy.  And I still fail to understand the connection to my post. Priscilla — The Episcopal Church welcomes you… and you… and you….

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>You also might discuss Munchausen Syndrome with your new physician.

Excuse me? Priscilla

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>>You also might discuss Munchausen Syndrome with your new physician. >Excuse me? >Priscilla

this particular syndrome is a form of child abuse.  The parent or child care provider injures the child in some way and then revives the child or provides first aid then reports the injury to EMS or the ER in an attempt to get attention and praise.  There is a bit more involved, but that is the basics of the problem. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>You also might discuss Munchausen Syndrome with your new physician. >Excuse me? >Priscilla > this particular syndrome is a form of child abuse.  The parent or > child care provider injures the child in some way and then revives the > child or provides first aid then reports the injury to EMS or the ER > in an attempt to get attention and praise.  There is a bit more > involved, but that is the basics of the problem.

I think you’re confusing Munchausen Syndrome and Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. The first is a psychological problem whereby a patient *creates* symptoms (sometimes in truly bizarre ways) in order to get medical treatment. It’s like hypochondria in that there’s no underlying physical problem; however. Munchausen by Proxy involves a parent making a child ill so the parent can heroically take care of the child. I think Priscilla knows this. I took her "Excuse me?" as a Miss Manners type comment. Mgeost’s comment was totally out of line. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>You also might discuss Munchausen Syndrome with your new physician. > >Excuse me? > >Priscilla > this particular syndrome is a form of child abuse.  The parent or > child care provider injures the child in some way and then revives the > child or provides first aid then reports the injury to EMS or the ER > in an attempt to get attention and praise.  There is a bit more > involved, but that is the basics of the problem. >I think you’re confusing Munchausen Syndrome and Munchausen Syndrome by >Proxy. The first is a psychological problem whereby a patient *creates* >symptoms (sometimes in truly bizarre ways) in order to get medical >treatment. It’s like hypochondria in that there’s no underlying physical >problem; however. Munchausen by Proxy involves a parent making a child >ill so the parent can heroically take care of the child.

you are correct. >I think Priscilla knows this. I took her "Excuse me?" as a Miss Manners >type comment. Mgeost’s comment was totally out of line.

as are all his posts. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Alan, – don’t wait too long before you start meds. I was >reluctant to take meds for the same reason as you. I waited >too long, and wound up in the hospital for 8 days. My DM had >progressed to the point where I could only eat 4-6g carbs >with spikes over 140. I was attempting to exercise off a >low-carb meal, and collapsed on the jogging track. Luckily a >lot of people saw me go down, and called an ambulance >immediately. When I came to, I was in the ER with IVs and >monitors attached. I was placed on insulin and then released >from the hospital. >I was still convinced that meds or insulin would do me harm. >My doctor, whom I have great respect for, threatened to drop >me as a patient if I didn’t take meds or insulin. She said >she couldn’t watch me kill myself. So today I take >Glucophage XR, Actos and sometimes Amaryl. I still won’t >take any other drugs, not even aspirin. >I feel a thousand times better now, than in the months >preceding my collapse. >Take care of yourself, >Andrea2 > Hi Priscilla. > Nice to see everything’s OK and to hear a story about a >good doc. > Could you elaborate on your reason for wanting metformin >with some > cites please. > I am trying to control with d&e because I am trying to >minimise the > drugs I need. > I have no medical grounds for that, just an innate caution >on possible > side-effects or downstream damage, particularly as I know >I may need > chemo in some years. However, if there are sound reasons >for using > metformin early and there are absolutely no side-effects I >would be > very interested. > Cheers Alan, T2

Thank you both for the good advice. I can see I’ll have to discuss it with the doc next visit. Still wary though. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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The low carb diet had worked fine for me for almost 3 years. After diagnosis I was schooled in the benefits of restricting carbs and the dangers of after meal BG spikes. As my condition progressed, rapidly it seems, I had to eat fewer and fewer carbs to prevent spikes. At the time I collapsed, I was so bad that I could only eat 4g carbs and still would get spikes. I normally weigh 120 pounds, my weight was down to 100 pounds. I don’t know what they gave me in the ER, I know they give me glucose, glycogen and insulin after I was transferred to my room. After I could eat, the food and insulin made me feel much better. When I collapsed, I was not wearing a diabetic ID necklace. I have no family in the area, so they weren’t informed I was diabetic. By the time I could talk to the doctor and tell them, they had already found out, by testing I guess. I always wear my id necklace now. It could be a life saver. Andrea2

> Hello Andrea: I was wondering what your FGs levels were in the ER?  Were they > low and gave you IV glucose and insulin too. Just

wondering as I am trying a > low carb diet and also run but do take meds. Thanks you..

Larry

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>Priscilla, you sure deserve to be a happy diabetic,  How mny doctors do >we go through till we find one that really knows his stuff,  I just dont >understand how he said you were a diabetic without the bloodwork,  Have >you had a GTT test to know for sure.

I had one fasting BG over the line, but I low-carbed strenuously for two weeks before I went for the second test which is required for the textbook diagnosis.  This brought my fasting BG down to the normal range. My endocrinologist, however, doesn’t need everything to fit the textbook, since he knows lots about diabetes.  I gave him my documented timeline of blood work and treatment through diet, and I told him how high my numbers go when I eat lots of carbs.  Non-diabetics don’t spike over 200 after eating starchy food.  My current blood work is excellent because I treat my diabetes.  By diet.  In order to "prove" to my stupid other doctor that I really have diabetes, I would have had to go off low-carbing for a period of time and let my BG shoot up, then go for two fasting BG tests making no changes between them.  I am not willing to damage my body in that way in order to satisfy an idiot.  This new MD knows his stuff, so I don’t have to go through that.           Priscilla

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You also might discuss Munchausen Syndrome with your new physician. Cheers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Priscilla, you sure deserve to be a happy diabetic,  How mny doctors do >we go through till we find one that really knows his stuff,  I just dont >understand how he said you were a diabetic without the bloodwork,  Have >you had a GTT test to know for sure. > I had one fasting BG over the line, but I low-carbed strenuously for two > weeks before I went for the second test which is required for the > textbook diagnosis.  This brought my fasting BG down to the normal range. > My endocrinologist, however, doesn’t need everything to fit the textbook, > since he knows lots about diabetes.  I gave him my documented timeline of > blood work and treatment through diet, and I told him how high my numbers > go when I eat lots of carbs.  Non-diabetics don’t spike over 200 after > eating starchy food.  My current blood work is excellent because I treat > my diabetes.  By diet.  In order to "prove" to my stupid other doctor that > I really have diabetes, I would have had to go off low-carbing for a > period of time and let my BG shoot up, then go for two fasting BG tests > making no changes between them.  I am not willing to damage my body in > that way in order to satisfy an idiot.  This new MD knows his stuff, so I > don’t have to go through that.           > Priscilla

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Priscilla, you sure deserve to be a happy diabetic,  How mny doctors do we go through till we find one that really knows his stuff,  I just dont understand how he said you were a diabetic without the bloodwork,  Have you had a GTT test to know for sure. I am happy for you. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Hello Andrea: I was wondering what your FGs levels were in the ER?  Were they low and gave you IV glucose and insulin too. Just wondering as I am trying a low carb diet and also run but do take meds. Thanks you.. Larry

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>On top of all that, this guy is sooooo nice!   >I am one happy diabetic! >Priscilla

Good for you!! He sounds like my doctor, I think mine is the greatest. It really makes a difference when your doctor actually cares about how you are doing! :) Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is  falling through street grates."  ~Dave Barry~

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Alan, – don’t wait too long before you start meds. I was reluctant to take meds for the same reason as you. I waited too long, and wound up in the hospital for 8 days. My DM had progressed to the point where I could only eat 4-6g carbs with spikes over 140. I was attempting to exercise off a low-carb meal, and collapsed on the jogging track. Luckily a lot of people saw me go down, and called an ambulance immediately. When I came to, I was in the ER with IVs and monitors attached. I was placed on insulin and then released from the hospital. I was still convinced that meds or insulin would do me harm. My doctor, whom I have great respect for, threatened to drop me as a patient if I didn’t take meds or insulin. She said she couldn’t watch me kill myself. So today I take Glucophage XR, Actos and sometimes Amaryl. I still won’t take any other drugs, not even aspirin. I feel a thousand times better now, than in the months preceding my collapse. Take care of yourself, Andrea2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Priscilla. > Nice to see everything’s OK and to hear a story about a good doc. > Could you elaborate on your reason for wanting metformin with some > cites please. > I am trying to control with d&e because I am trying to minimise the > drugs I need. > I have no medical grounds for that, just an innate caution on possible > side-effects or downstream damage, particularly as I know I may need > chemo in some years. However, if there are sound reasons for using > metformin early and there are absolutely no side-effects I would be > very interested. > Cheers Alan, T2

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> >To recap:  I’ve been frustrated by my internist and the physician >assistant in her office who say I don’t have diabetes because my lab >numbers are so good (I kill myself low-carbing to get those numbers!) and >won’t let me have any metformin even after I talk about the recently >discovered need for cardiac protection from insulin resistance even when >BG is kept tightly controlled. > <snip> > Hi Priscilla. > Nice to see everything’s OK and to hear a story about a good doc. > Could you elaborate on your reason for wanting metformin with some > cites please. > I am trying to control with d&e because I am trying to minimise the > drugs I need. > I have no medical grounds for that, just an innate caution on possible > side-effects or downstream damage, particularly as I know I may need > chemo in some years. However, if there are sound reasons for using > metformin early and there are absolutely no side-effects I would be > very interested.

Metformin has some common GI side effects.  It’s nicknamed met-fart-in, if that gives you any ideas, although I’ve heard of diarrhea more than flatulance. I can’t provide you with cites, but metformin is reputed (and my endo agrees) to provide cardiac protection from the effects of insulin resistence.  IR can damage the heart regardless of how tightly one controls one’s BG. Priscilla — The Episcopal Church welcomes you… and you… and you….

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I finally had my appointment with an endocrinologist, and I feel like I’ve won the lottery. To recap:  I’ve been frustrated by my internist and the physician assistant in her office who say I don’t have diabetes because my lab numbers are so good (I kill myself low-carbing to get those numbers!) and won’t let me have any metformin even after I talk about the recently discovered need for cardiac protection from insulin resistance even when BG is kept tightly controlled. Someone on a mailing list had referred me to her doctor, and that’s who I’d made an appointment with, but the appointment was changed because that MD returned to Ireland.  So I was to see the new guy in the dept.  I wasn’t too keen on a male MD, but I thought I’d give him a shot since the cosmos had dropped him in my lap. Well, I hit a winner.  This guy backed me up on almost all my points.  He said my approach was what he wishes everyone would take — an agressively proactive program of prevention of disease progress.  He said that while the powers that be don’t yet endorse low-carbing as the preferred dietary treatment of diabetes, in ten years they will.  I’m on the cutting edge, apparently.  (As are so many of us.)  He agreed to start me on metformin, and concurred with the dosage and titration schedule I suggested.  He wants me to wait on the Starlix so I’m not starting two meds simultaneously, plus the metformin may give me the wiggle room I want without any additional meds. As to my having diabetes or not, he put into my record that I have impaired glucose tolerance, but he was very clear (and firm) with me that I was to understand that that was purely for the insurance company and that he did understand that I had diabetes.  (I had never gotten the second confirmatory fasting BG test but rather started low-carbing right away, so that the second test came out normal.  That’s part of why my former clinicians said I didn’t have diabetes.  He "got" however that it’s the treatment through diet that’s resulting in the lower numbers, not an absence of diabetes.) He checked me over thoroughly and, pending lab results, pronounced me free of any diabetic complications, so now we just have to keep them from starting. On top of all that, this guy is sooooo nice!   I pumpled out blood and urine for tests, and I’m set to go back in three months for a tuneup.  I’ll have a new A1c soon.  I’m very curious, because I haven’t been rigorous about testing.  When I do test, I’m just about where I think I’ll be, so it’s seemed rather pointless to spend the test strips when I know the results beforehand.   I am one happy diabetic! Priscilla

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<snip> >To recap:  I’ve been frustrated by my internist and the physician >assistant in her office who say I don’t have diabetes because my lab >numbers are so good (I kill myself low-carbing to get those numbers!) and >won’t let me have any metformin even after I talk about the recently >discovered need for cardiac protection from insulin resistance even when >BG is kept tightly controlled.

<snip> Hi Priscilla. Nice to see everything’s OK and to hear a story about a good doc. Could you elaborate on your reason for wanting metformin with some cites please. I am trying to control with d&e because I am trying to minimise the drugs I need. I have no medical grounds for that, just an innate caution on possible side-effects or downstream damage, particularly as I know I may need chemo in some years. However, if there are sound reasons for using metformin early and there are absolutely no side-effects I would be very interested. Cheers Alan, T2

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That’s great news Priscilla. A good doctor can make all the difference, and it’s nice when they acknowledge that what you’re doing is a good thing. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I finally had my appointment with an endocrinologist, and I feel like I’ve >won the lottery.

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I’m happy for you.  A doctor in tune with your needs is soooo important. Wishing you continued success. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I finally had my appointment with an endocrinologist, and I feel like I’ve > won the lottery. > To recap:  I’ve been frustrated by my internist and the physician > assistant in her office who say I don’t have diabetes because my lab > numbers are so good (I kill myself low-carbing to get those numbers!) and > won’t let me have any metformin even after I talk about the recently > discovered need for cardiac protection from insulin resistance even when > BG is kept tightly controlled. > Someone on a mailing list had referred me to her doctor, and that’s who > I’d made an appointment with, but the appointment was changed because that > MD returned to Ireland.  So I was to see the new guy in the dept.  I > wasn’t too keen on a male MD, but I thought I’d give him a shot since the > cosmos had dropped him in my lap. > Well, I hit a winner.  This guy backed me up on almost all my points.  He > said my approach was what he wishes everyone would take — an agressively > proactive program of prevention of disease progress.  He said that while > the powers that be don’t yet endorse low-carbing as the preferred dietary > treatment of diabetes, in ten years they will.  I’m on the cutting edge, > apparently.  (As are so many of us.)  He agreed to start me on metformin, > and concurred with the dosage and titration schedule I suggested.  He > wants me to wait on the Starlix so I’m not starting two meds > simultaneously, plus the metformin may give me the wiggle room I want > without any additional meds. > As to my having diabetes or not, he put into my record that I have > impaired glucose tolerance, but he was very clear (and firm) with me that > I was to understand that that was purely for the insurance company and > that he did understand that I had diabetes.  (I had never gotten the > second confirmatory fasting BG test but rather started low-carbing right > away, so that the second test came out normal.  That’s part of why my > former clinicians said I didn’t have diabetes.  He "got" however that it’s > the treatment through diet that’s resulting in the lower numbers, not an > absence of diabetes.) > He checked me over thoroughly and, pending lab results, pronounced me free > of any diabetic complications, so now we just have to keep them from > starting. > On top of all that, this guy is sooooo nice! > I pumpled out blood and urine for tests, and I’m set to go back in three > months for a tuneup.  I’ll have a new A1c soon.  I’m very curious, because > I haven’t been rigorous about testing.  When I do test, I’m just about > where I think I’ll be, so it’s seemed rather pointless to spend the test > strips when I know the results beforehand. > I am one happy diabetic! > Priscilla

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Avandamet Query

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I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandamet.  I took Glyburide (2.5 mg) for some years and that, with diet control, achieved fairly good control.  My doctor then wanted to get me off Glyburide and moved me to Metformin gradually increasing to 2g per day.  My control deteriorated significantly.  He is now about to put me on Avandamet and I would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any experience with this combination.  I have not been following this newsgroup so I may well have missed previously posted information.  TIA

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Hi Wesley, I just started AvandaMET about 6 weeks ago.  I am also taking GlucoNORM as well.  AvandaMET is basically 2 meds in one.  Avandia 2mg and Metformin 500mg. Prior to these meds, I was on Glyburide, Avandia and Metformin and the combination seemed to stop working for me (or at least the Glyburide stopped)……not really sure why, but I do know that lack of exercise and lack of control of my diet obviously didn’t help the situation. In the last 6 weeks, my BG levels have come down dramatically.  I was running 20 to 25 and now my numbers are down to 4 to 7 with only my morning FBG being high between 7 and 9. The thing that’s nice about AvandaMET is that it reduces the amount of pills you have to take because it is 2 meds in one.  My doctor ran out of his stash of free samples so I have had to resort back to taking separate Avandia and metformin pills…….:( Hopefully the salesman will be around to his office again soon! Eddie Type 2

I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandamet.  I took Glyburide (2.5 mg) for some years and that, with diet control, achieved fairly good control.  My doctor then wanted to get me off Glyburide and moved me to Metformin gradually increasing to 2g per day.  My control deteriorated significantly.  He is now about to put me on Avandamet and I would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any experience with this combination.  I have not been following this newsgroup so I may well have missed previously posted information.  TIA

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>I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandame >I >would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any experience with >this combination

I’ve been taking Avandamet now for about 2 months.  I have noted a dramatic downward trend and better control of my BG levels.  I also take Lantus insulin at night and one Avandamet 500/4mg 2x per day in the AM and PM.  My overall average has decreased from around the 140-150 range to about 115.  Thats a big improvement for me.  With fasting numbers 80-110 which is something I have never been able to achieve.  I’ll be having an HBa1c the end of sept first of Oct. and am anxious to see if it follows the trend. Just watch for edema.  Avandia can cause fluid retention.  Let your doctor know if it becomes a problem for you.   Ruthie, RN Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandamet.  I took > Glyburide (2.5 mg) for some years and that, with diet control, achieved > fairly good control.  My doctor then wanted to get me off Glyburide and > moved me to Metformin gradually increasing to 2g per day.  My control > deteriorated significantly.  He is now about to put me on Avandamet and I > would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any experience with > this combination.  I have not been following this newsgroup so I may well > have missed previously posted information.  TIA

I’m rather curious,  did your doctor say WHY he has changed your medication? Avandamet is a combination pill which combines Avanda with metformin.  See; http://www.avandamet.com/ Presuming  you already know about how metformin works, you can find out some things about Avanda at; http://www.diabetesmonitor.com/avandia.htm Different diabetic meds work in different ways.   Glyburide is a sulphonylurea, that works by stimulating the pancreas to make more insulin.  The most dangerous side effect is the increased risk of hypos. Another possible side effect can be arterial spams. Avandia (rosiglitazone) is a thiazolidinedione medication. It works mainly by being an insulin sensitizer. Do read the sites referred to, in particular the section on possible side effects – and report to your doctor if you suffer any of them. "Side Effects: Fluid retention, congestive heart failure (CHF), liver disease." "Patients should be advised that it can take 2 weeks to see a reduction in blood glucose and 2 to 3 months to see full effect. Patients should be informed that blood will be drawn to check their liver function prior to the start of therapy and every 2 months for the first 12 months, and periodically thereafter. Patients with unexplained symptoms of nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, anorexia, or dark urine should immediately report these symptoms to their physician. Patients who experience an unusually rapid increase in weight or edema or who develop shortness of breath or other symptoms of heart failure while on AVANDIA should immediately report these symptoms to their physician. " Your doctor should monitor your liver function on a regular basis while you are taking Avandamet. The med. Metformin also works on the liver, so you can see why this is a good idea. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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consider taking Milk Thistle to protect my liver?  Any thoughts? Eddie Type 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandamet.  I took > Glyburide (2.5 mg) for some years and that, with diet control, achieved > fairly good control.  My doctor then wanted to get me off Glyburide and > moved me to Metformin gradually increasing to 2g per day.  My control > deteriorated significantly.  He is now about to put me on Avandamet and I > would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any experience with > this combination.  I have not been following this newsgroup so I may well > have missed previously posted information.  TIA

I’m rather curious,  did your doctor say WHY he has changed your medication? Avandamet is a combination pill which combines Avanda with metformin.  See; http://www.avandamet.com/ Presuming  you already know about how metformin works, you can find out some things about Avanda at; http://www.diabetesmonitor.com/avandia.htm Different diabetic meds work in different ways.   Glyburide is a sulphonylurea, that works by stimulating the pancreas to make more insulin.  The most dangerous side effect is the increased risk of hypos. Another possible side effect can be arterial spams. Avandia (rosiglitazone) is a thiazolidinedione medication. It works mainly by being an insulin sensitizer. Do read the sites referred to, in particular the section on possible side effects – and report to your doctor if you suffer any of them. "Side Effects: Fluid retention, congestive heart failure (CHF), liver disease." "Patients should be advised that it can take 2 weeks to see a reduction in blood glucose and 2 to 3 months to see full effect. Patients should be informed that blood will be drawn to check their liver function prior to the start of therapy and every 2 months for the first 12 months, and periodically thereafter. Patients with unexplained symptoms of nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, anorexia, or dark urine should immediately report these symptoms to their physician. Patients who experience an unusually rapid increase in weight or edema or who develop shortness of breath or other symptoms of heart failure while on AVANDIA should immediately report these symptoms to their physician. " Your doctor should monitor your liver function on a regular basis while you are taking Avandamet. The med. Metformin also works on the liver, so you can see why this is a good idea. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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cc’d by email DO NOT TAKE "herbs" they are the leading cause of liver transplants It is not too bad if you don’t have anything wrong with you, but taking crap like that when you are also on real meds can REALLY screw you up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > consider taking Milk Thistle to protect my liver?  Any thoughts? > Eddie > Type 2 >I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandamet.  I > took >Glyburide (2.5 mg) for some years and that, with diet control, > achieved >fairly good control.  My doctor then wanted to get me off > Glyburide and >moved me to Metformin gradually increasing to 2g per day.  My > control >deteriorated significantly.  He is now about to put me on > Avandamet and I >would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any > experience with >this combination.  I have not been following this newsgroup so I > may well >have missed previously posted information.  TIA > I’m rather curious,  did your doctor say WHY he has changed your > medication? > Avandamet is a combination pill which combines Avanda with > metformin.  See; > http://www.avandamet.com/ > Presuming  you already know about how metformin works, you can find > out some things about Avanda at; > http://www.diabetesmonitor.com/avandia.htm > Different diabetic meds work in different ways.   Glyburide is a > sulphonylurea, that works by stimulating the pancreas to make more > insulin.  The most dangerous side effect is the increased risk of > hypos. Another possible side effect can be arterial spams. > Avandia (rosiglitazone) is a thiazolidinedione medication. It works > mainly by being an insulin sensitizer. > Do read the sites referred to, in particular the section on possible > side effects – and report to your doctor if you suffer any of them. > "Side Effects: Fluid retention, congestive heart failure (CHF), > liver disease." > "Patients should be advised that it can take 2 weeks to see a > reduction in blood glucose and 2 to 3 months to see full effect. > Patients should be informed that blood will be drawn to check their > liver function prior to the start of therapy and every 2 months for > the first 12 months, and periodically thereafter. Patients with > unexplained symptoms of nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, > anorexia, or dark urine should immediately report these symptoms to > their physician. Patients who experience an unusually rapid increase > in weight or edema or who develop shortness of breath or other > symptoms of heart failure while on AVANDIA should immediately report > these symptoms to their physician. " > Your doctor should monitor your liver function on a regular basis > while you are taking Avandamet. The med. Metformin also works on the > liver, so you can see why this is a good idea. > Annette > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Gee Ted, would this be you warning someone about something you fear for them to ingest… Wouldn’t be much different than my warning to people about Aspartame now would it? Did I derserve the nasty emails full of cussing from you because I chose to do excatly what you have in this post? Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cc’d by email > DO NOT TAKE "herbs" they are the leading cause of liver transplants > It is not too bad if you don’t have anything wrong with you, but taking > crap like that when you are also on real meds can REALLY screw you up. > consider taking Milk Thistle to protect my liver?  Any thoughts? > Eddie > Type 2 >>I am Type II and my doctor is about to put me on Avandamet.  I > took >>Glyburide (2.5 mg) for some years and that, with diet control, > achieved >>fairly good control.  My doctor then wanted to get me off > Glyburide and >>moved me to Metformin gradually increasing to 2g per day.  My > control >>deteriorated significantly.  He is now about to put me on > Avandamet and I >>would appreciate the comments of any Type IIs who have any > experience with >>this combination.  I have not been following this newsgroup so I > may well >>have missed previously posted information.  TIA > I’m rather curious,  did your doctor say WHY he has changed your > medication? > Avandamet is a combination pill which combines Avanda with > metformin.  See; > http://www.avandamet.com/ > Presuming  you already know about how metformin works, you can find > out some things about Avanda at; > http://www.diabetesmonitor.com/avandia.htm > Different diabetic meds work in different ways.   Glyburide is a > sulphonylurea, that works by stimulating the pancreas to make more > insulin.  The most dangerous side effect is the increased risk of > hypos. Another possible side effect can be arterial spams. > Avandia (rosiglitazone) is a thiazolidinedione medication. It works > mainly by being an insulin sensitizer. > Do read the sites referred to, in particular the section on possible > side effects – and report to your doctor if you suffer any of them. > "Side Effects: Fluid retention, congestive heart failure (CHF), > liver disease." > "Patients should be advised that it can take 2 weeks to see a > reduction in blood glucose and 2 to 3 months to see full effect. > Patients should be informed that blood will be drawn to check their > liver function prior to the start of therapy and every 2 months for > the first 12 months, and periodically thereafter. Patients with > unexplained symptoms of nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, > anorexia, or dark urine should immediately report these symptoms to > their physician. Patients who experience an unusually rapid increase > in weight or edema or who develop shortness of breath or other > symptoms of heart failure while on AVANDIA should immediately report > these symptoms to their physician. " > Your doctor should monitor your liver function on a regular basis > while you are taking Avandamet. The med. Metformin also works on the > liver, so you can see why this is a good idea. > Annette > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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> Gee Ted, would this be you warning someone about something you fear for them > to ingest… Wouldn’t be much different than my warning to people about > Aspartame now would it? Did I derserve the nasty emails full of cussing from > you because I chose to do excatly what you have in this post? > Conni Brady > Aspartame Awareness > www.bradymax.com/nzaa

Ted doesn’t make up his warnings out of whole cloth: Betty Martini and her sock puppets do. Hit www.snopes.com and www.urbanlegends.com for an explanation of the history of her aspartame campaign. Do you have that second piercing in your left earlobe, Betty?

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>Ted doesn’t make up his warnings out of whole cloth: Betty Martini and >her sock puppets do. Hit www.snopes.com and www.urbanlegends.com for an >explanation of the history of her aspartame campaign. >Do you have that second piercing in your left earlobe, Betty?

Not X-Posted to 2 NGs. Nico, she is one of the pod people. Sleepy Support bacteria. They’re the only culture some people have

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> Gee Ted, would this be you warning someone about something you fear for them > to ingest… Wouldn’t be much different than my warning to people about > Aspartame now would it? Did I derserve the nasty emails full of cussing from > you because I chose to do excatly what you have in this post?

Ah, but there’s a big difference!  When Ted warns about something he is warning because it is unsafe.  You on the other hand have fallen into the clutches of Mad Betty and are spreading lies. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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should > consider taking Milk Thistle to protect my liver?  Any thoughts? > Eddie > Type 2

I don’t know, because although milk thistle is reputed to be good for the liver, I have no idea how it does this,  or even if it is true.  It might be a good idea to do a search using a good brouser like Google for instance, and see if you can find any decent scientific studies on it.  The liver is a very important, very complex organ, involved in just about everything in the healthy working of our metabolism. One needs to treat it with care. Some people here may know more about it, but I haven’t personally looked into that one. I *did* find out that the globe artichoke (a member of the thistle family) promotes bile production and excretion, and both the edible part and extracts from the leaves and stems contain some unique and interesting biochemicals that cause this, but milk thistle is similar but not exacty the same.  If it has a similar action, it  may not have the effect you are looking for, and may even stress the liver further. I repeat, I just don’t know. Despite Ted’s warnings re herbal supps, some have been validated by good scientific studies, but a great deal of it *is* still more folklore than reality. For example, many that are claimed to be good for hypertension or kidney function are actually just diuretic in action.  You need to know what it does, why the claim is made, will it do what you are seeking, and if it is a valid claim to start with. Have fun, and ask your doctor for regular liver function tests. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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starting school

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Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) Thanks Jan

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Hi, I am not type one but I would make sure they know that if they give her food to make sure it is appropriate for a type 1 diabetic and also make sure they have something on hand for any hypos. I would also send a written paper with the symptoms of a hypo and what to do for one, for the teacher to keep ready available just in case. Others much more knowledgeable will come along and answer and I want to wish you and your child all the best. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was > wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff > so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 > days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) > Thanks > Jan

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>Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) >Thanks >Jan

the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in writing.  Also check in with the people at http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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>Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) >Thanks >Jan

   A written list of hypo symptoms and a couple of 4-packs of glucose tablets.  IMO, this is one area where the cheaper candies should be kept out of sight. When I went on insulin, I told my neighbors and co-workers,      "Anytime you notice me being drunk and stupid,  give me a cookie" but I think you will need a better list, and typed at that. IMO, (speaking as an engineer who baby-sat many projects during his career), your frequent, (friendly and supportive) presence in the teachers’ work lives will help.   When they know you really care,  they start to understand how serious the situation is and how much diligence  is required. Good Luck   Old Al

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I agree with what Mack said and also recommend those web sites.  I would like to add the importance of timing. Please stress to them that timing of snacks & lunch is VERY important. I also have it set up for our daughter that she can test anywhere, anytime if she needs to. Some schools don’t want the child testing in the classroom, I feel it’s important for them to test anywhere when they think they might be having a hypo. We also use a buddy system, if she is low & has to go to the office to call me then she takes a classmate with her. Heather http://www.execulink.com/~craig/diabetictag.html http://www.execulink.com/~craig/pouches.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) >Thanks >Jan > the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a > printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics > of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers > are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in > the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the > parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even > if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in > writing.  Also check in with the people at > http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org > both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you > great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have > refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must > eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb > snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are > getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out. > Mack > Type 1 since 1975 > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >  terrorism.

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Jan, I know nothing about type ones,  but I can understand how difficult this must be for your child and you,  There will be other people here who can answer this question When does your four year old take the insulin, Before school and after. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) >Thanks >Jan > the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a > printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics > of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers > are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in > the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the > parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even > if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in > writing.  Also check in with the people at > http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org > both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you > great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have > refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must > eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb > snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are > getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out.

I’d like to add, let the staff know when she needs to go to the restroom, she must be allowed to go. I hated school when they wouldn’t let me go to the bathroom. A T1 should never have to hold it. Just my 2cents SS

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nor a type 2. When I gotta go I gotta go now :-) Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I > was > >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support > staff > >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 > >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) > >Thanks > >Jan > the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a > printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics > of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers > are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in > the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the > parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even > if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in > writing.  Also check in with the people at > http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and

http://www.insulin-pumpers.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you > great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have > refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must > eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb > snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are > getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out. > I’d like to add, let the staff know when she needs to go to the restroom, > she must be allowed to go. I hated school when they wouldn’t let me go to > the bathroom. A T1 should never have to hold it. > Just my 2cents > SS

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>I agree with what Mack said and also recommend those web sites.  I would >like to add the importance of timing. Please stress to them that timing of >snacks & lunch is VERY important. I also have it set up for our daughter >that she can test anywhere, anytime if she needs to. Some schools don’t want >the child testing in the classroom, I feel it’s important for them to test >anywhere when they think they might be having a hypo. We also use a buddy >system, if she is low & has to go to the office to call me then she takes a >classmate with her. >Heather >http://www.execulink.com/~craig/diabetictag.html >http://www.execulink.com/~craig/pouches.htm

Please note:  if the school personnel raise any objections to testing in class you should address them and dismiss them quickly.  It is the child’s right to test and the child’s health depends on it.  Adults are more prone to being disgusted or frightened or freaked out by BG testing.  Children adjust to doing it and seeing it very easily and quickly.  Provide a plastic bag or container to collect the test strips and any(if you do not reuse the same lancet) lancets.  Have the teacher return it with the child or have the teacher send it to the school nurse for disposal at the end of the day.  Stress to the teachers that if they(the teachers) treat the testing as a normal event, the children will too. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I >was > >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support >staff > >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 > >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) > >Thanks > >Jan > the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a > printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics > of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers > are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in > the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the > parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even > if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in > writing.  Also check in with the people at > http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org > both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you > great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have > refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must > eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb > snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are > getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out. >I’d like to add, let the staff know when she needs to go to the restroom, >she must be allowed to go. I hated school when they wouldn’t let me go to >the bathroom. A T1 should never have to hold it. >Just my 2cents >SS

if that becomes an issue then it is also a warning sign.  Frequent urination is a sign of elevated BG and should be an indicator to the teacher that the child needs to test and any high BG readings should be recorded and reported to the parents.  Type 1s don’t have to urinate any more frequently than non-diabetics if their BGs are in the normal range.  Even non diabetic children have problems with frequent urination.  do to many problems, like drinking to much fluids, or being under developed for their age group. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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Sorry, I can’t give you any specifics on day to day handling of the diabetes in school. However, I raised a hearing impaired child who was educated in a K-12 public school setting.  There are all kinds of federal laws and regulations that school systems must follow.  There are probably state and local laws and regs, too.  It would be a good idea to get smart about these because if you are knowlegeable, the people you deal with in the system will take you more seriously when you are adocating for your child. And you will have to advocate. Budget cuts are an unfortunate fact of life, and you’ll want to ensure that your child’s safety isn’t compomised to save a few dollars.  The school system *must* comply with federal law or lose funding. Also, whatever plans you come up with are only as good as their implementation.  Stay in close contact with the teacher to keep an eye on things. If there is a nurse or if the school system has a health specialist, get them involved.  Unfortunately, teachers and administrators may believe them more than you when you are advocating for your child.  I’ll never forget the teacher who told us that our son had to listen harder to get his homework assignments.  We couldn’t convince her that if he couldn’t hear her, no amount of listening harder would help.  However the hearing specialist convinced her of this!  I think the teacher thought we were making excuses for him. If there is a support group, it might be worth joining.  I didn’t do this, but looking back, it might have been helpful.  I seem to remember that the ADA and Joslin both have quite a bit of info about kids, diabetes, and school.  Both have websites…googling should get you there.  Good luck to you. — Best wishes Louise Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was > wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff > so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 > days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) > Thanks > Jan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I >was >> >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support >staff >> >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 >> >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) >> >Thanks >> >Jan >> the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a >> printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics >> of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers >> are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in >> the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the >> parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even >> if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in >> writing.  Also check in with the people at >> http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >> both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you >> great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have >> refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must >> eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb >> snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are >> getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out. >I’d like to add, let the staff know when she needs to go to the restroom, >she must be allowed to go. I hated school when they wouldn’t let me go to >the bathroom. A T1 should never have to hold it. >Just my 2cents >SS > if that becomes an issue then it is also a warning sign.  Frequent > urination is a sign of elevated BG and should be an indicator to the > teacher that the child needs to test and any high BG readings should > be recorded and reported to the parents.  Type 1s don’t have to > urinate any more frequently than non-diabetics if their BGs are in the > normal range.  Even non diabetic children have problems with frequent > urination.  do to many problems, like drinking to much fluids, or > being under developed for their age group.

never said anything about frequent urination did I? Having to hold urine can actually cause damage to the Kidneys. SS

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>never said anything about frequent urination did I? Having to hold urine can >actually cause damage to the Kidneys. >SS

even if true, you haven’t shown any proof that it would be worse for a diabetic than anyone else. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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>never said anything about frequent urination did I? Having to hold urine can >actually cause damage to the Kidneys. >SS > even if true, you haven’t shown any proof that it would be worse for a > diabetic than anyone else.

I never said it was worse for a diabetic than anyone else. You are just determined to argue with me, even though you are the one with obvious reading comprehension issues.None the less I do have a study lying around here somewhere that discuss’ the acute effects of urinal ischemia. Hey Mack …..the sky is BLUE. SS

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >never said anything about frequent urination did I? Having to hold urine >can > >actually cause damage to the Kidneys. > >SS > even if true, you haven’t shown any proof that it would be worse for a > diabetic than anyone else. >I never said it was worse for a diabetic than anyone else. You are just >determined to argue with me, even though you are the one with obvious >reading comprehension issues.None the less I do have a study lying around >here somewhere that discuss’ the acute effects of urinal ischemia.

you said a diabetic should not be made to wait.  you made the distinction. >Hey Mack …..the sky is BLUE.

actually it’s more than just blue. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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If I needed shots and insulin in school , then I would do it by hook-or-crook or either quit school or press the " L " button . School is school , not prison , even in prision the inmates have the legal right to adequate medical care…and can be held liable for thwarting that . tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I was > wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support staff > so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 > days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) > Thanks > Jan

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I GOT NEWS FOR SCHOOL , I WOULD NOT " HOLD IT " !!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hello…My 4 year old Type 1, is starting kindergarten next week and I >  was > >wondering if anyone had any helpful hints for the teacher and support >  staff > >so we (the parents) aren’t stressing out all day. (It’s full days, 2 > >days/wk…testing only at school, no insulin shots at school) > >Thanks > >Jan > the school has a nurse?  both the nurse and teachers should have a > printed guide to read and follow.  The guide would explain the basics > of type 1 diabetes, how to test properly what the acceptable numbers > are, what the symptoms and test range of hypos are and what to do in > the case of a hypo.  And under what conditions to call you, the > parents.  Don’t assume the staff knows anything about diabetes, even > if they claim they do.  Make sure you talk to them and put it in > writing.  Also check in with the people at > http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org > both have lots of parents of school age type ones who can give you > great advice.  also check in advance if the class rooms have > refrigerators.  Send the appropriate snacks you know your child must > eat to avoid hypos, as well as snacks to treat hypos and low carb > snack to eat like sugar free jell-o so that when the other kids are > getting something sweet your child doesn’t have to feel left out. > I’d like to add, let the staff know when she needs to go to the restroom, > she must be allowed to go. I hated school when they wouldn’t let me go to > the bathroom. A T1 should never have to hold it. > Just my 2cents > SS

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you’ll come out of a hypo a heck of a lot faster if you carry glucose tablets….’course Oreos taste a heck of a lot better! :) dave

snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I went on insulin, I told my neighbors and co-workers, >      "Anytime you notice me being drunk and stupid,  give me a cookie" > but I think you will need a better list, and typed at that. >snip

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>you’ll come out of a hypo a heck of a lot faster if you carry glucose >tablets….’course Oreos taste a heck of a lot better! :) >dave

depends on the individual.  if I go below 50 I do NOT use glucose tabs because I will vomit.  a coke is safer for me. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >snip > When I went on insulin, I told my neighbors and co-workers, >      "Anytime you notice me being drunk and stupid,  give me a cookie" > but I think you will need a better list, and typed at that. >snip

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We are not doctors and cannot diagnose on line.  If it’s really bad you need medical attention now.  I can advise you to seek it out. Hope you solve the problem. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I have had diabetes for at least 20 years that I know of. My doctor feels I > may have had it as a child but it was never caught. > Recently I was diagnosed with Neuropathy. I get pain and burning in my right > leg and both feet. Sometimes it is so severe that I cannot walk. I was put > on Neurontin. After increasing the dosage over time to almost the maximum > allowed and getting only moderate relief my doctor added Amitriptaline. > Again only getting moderate relief I now take Tramadol and Tylenol up to 4 > times a day. This gives more relief but only for a short period of time. > Now I am getting other symptoms. The burning and intense pain is moving up > my back and around to my stomach. My stomach constantly feels like someone > punched me and I now have several numb patches. All the while the pain is > intense. > Mt diabetes doctor says that this is not normal symptoms of Neuropathy and I > should see my primary. He is on vacation and I cannot get his office to > approve a trip to the walk in clinic. > For now can anyone give mean idea of what is going on? Someone suggested > Shingles as I recently noticed a rash on my chest, stomach and shoulders. I > have a very hairy body and this type of rash is common for me. Kind of like > prickly heat but this time it is bigger and more wide spread. Also I read up > on shingles at WebMD and I have only a few symptoms of that. > If you need more info please ask. I am just looking for ideas so I can have > more info when I go see the doc. > Thanks > Joe > Fall River, MA

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Joe, I would take myself to the emergency room to find out what you are having,  shingles is a very painful disease and sometimes it takes days for the lesions to come out,  We are not doctors,  I for one have no experience with this,  I know I would go to the emergey room. Please let us know what happens. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Whilst that there may be other physiologocal reasons that could give rise to similar symptoms, it may appear that a diagnosis in your case has already been made. It may also be prudent to check with another physician to confirm the first doc’s assessment. Mano Govender T2 since March 2002 — "I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already kindled!… Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; for henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three; they will be divided, father against son, and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." Jesus Christ, Lk. 12:49-53

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This might be a good start .. > http://www.irondisorders.org > They have shown elevated iron levels in the body lead to diabetes. > Iron destroys tocopherol / vitamin E in the body and vitamin E / tocopherol is > very useful in the problem of neuropathy. > Below is a url which explains the latest in regards to the iron in the body in > relation to diabetes. > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/439591_1 > Who loves ya. > Tom > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING

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> Hi, > I have had diabetes for at least 20 years that I know of. My doctor feels I > may have had it as a child but it was never caught. > Recently I was diagnosed with Neuropathy. I get pain and burning in my right > leg and both feet. Sometimes it is so severe that I cannot walk. I was put > on Neurontin. After increasing the dosage over time to almost the maximum > allowed and getting only moderate relief my doctor added Amitriptaline. > Again only getting moderate relief I now take Tramadol and Tylenol up to 4 > times a day. This gives more relief but only for a short period of time.

Have you tried Evening Primrose Oil?  That’s the only thing that helped me. Also, who diagnosed the Neuropathy?  If it wasn’t a Neurologist, then you might have been given an incorrect diagnosis. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now I am getting other symptoms. The burning and intense pain is moving up > my back and around to my stomach. My stomach constantly feels like someone > punched me and I now have several numb patches. All the while the pain is > intense. > Mt diabetes doctor says that this is not normal symptoms of Neuropathy and I > should see my primary. He is on vacation and I cannot get his office to > approve a trip to the walk in clinic. > For now can anyone give mean idea of what is going on? Someone suggested > Shingles as I recently noticed a rash on my chest, stomach and shoulders. I > have a very hairy body and this type of rash is common for me. Kind of like > prickly heat but this time it is bigger and more wide spread. Also I read up > on shingles at WebMD and I have only a few symptoms of that.

No idea what that might be, but if it is on the skin, then perhaps you should see a dermatologist. > If you need more info please ask. I am just looking for ideas so I can have > more info when I go see the doc.

Sorry, can’t be of much help. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, >I have had diabetes for at least 20 years that I know of. My doctor feels I >may have had it as a child but it was never caught. >Recently I was diagnosed with Neuropathy. I get pain and burning in my right >leg and both feet. Sometimes it is so severe that I cannot walk. I was put >on Neurontin. After increasing the dosage over time to almost the maximum >allowed and getting only moderate relief my doctor added Amitriptaline. >Again only getting moderate relief I now take Tramadol and Tylenol up to 4 >times a day. This gives more relief but only for a short period of time. >Now I am getting other symptoms. The burning and intense pain is moving up >my back and around to my stomach. My stomach constantly feels like someone >punched me and I now have several numb patches. All the while the pain is >intense. >Mt diabetes doctor says that this is not normal symptoms of Neuropathy and I >should see my primary. He is on vacation and I cannot get his office to >approve a trip to the walk in clinic. >For now can anyone give mean idea of what is going on? Someone suggested >Shingles as I recently noticed a rash on my chest, stomach and shoulders. I >have a very hairy body and this type of rash is common for me. Kind of like >prickly heat but this time it is bigger and more wide spread. Also I read up >on shingles at WebMD and I have only a few symptoms of that. >If you need more info please ask. I am just looking for ideas so I can have >more info when I go see the doc. >Thanks >Joe >Fall River, MA

This might be a good start .. http://www.irondisorders.org They have shown elevated iron levels in the body lead to diabetes. Iron destroys tocopherol / vitamin E in the body and vitamin E / tocopherol is very useful in the problem of neuropathy. Below is a url which explains the latest in regards to the iron in the body in relation to diabetes. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/439591_1 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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Hi, I have had diabetes for at least 20 years that I know of. My doctor feels I may have had it as a child but it was never caught. Recently I was diagnosed with Neuropathy. I get pain and burning in my right leg and both feet. Sometimes it is so severe that I cannot walk. I was put on Neurontin. After increasing the dosage over time to almost the maximum allowed and getting only moderate relief my doctor added Amitriptaline. Again only getting moderate relief I now take Tramadol and Tylenol up to 4 times a day. This gives more relief but only for a short period of time. Now I am getting other symptoms. The burning and intense pain is moving up my back and around to my stomach. My stomach constantly feels like someone punched me and I now have several numb patches. All the while the pain is intense. Mt diabetes doctor says that this is not normal symptoms of Neuropathy and I should see my primary. He is on vacation and I cannot get his office to approve a trip to the walk in clinic. For now can anyone give mean idea of what is going on? Someone suggested Shingles as I recently noticed a rash on my chest, stomach and shoulders. I have a very hairy body and this type of rash is common for me. Kind of like prickly heat but this time it is bigger and more wide spread. Also I read up on shingles at WebMD and I have only a few symptoms of that. If you need more info please ask. I am just looking for ideas so I can have more info when I go see the doc. Thanks Joe Fall River, MA

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