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>No, it was kicking a scamming troll >As someone else pointed out, the name "Jack Frost" should have clued us >in right away.

Should have but the collective intelligence of this group  matches those of an ant.

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>In the same way I have observed you are very fervent about >protecting people here from being deceived or misled.  That’s *your* >main goal.

Rosenberg is a liar and a cyberstalker and it is a terrible reflection on ASD when both of those activities are supported by ASD members.

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>Thanks for the reply, Ted. >It all sounds fair enough. >I use very little sweetening myself. >Annette

That’s cause you don’t need any Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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>Thanks for the reply, Ted. >It all sounds fair enough. >I use very little sweetening myself. >Annette > That’s cause you don’t need any > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

Eeeew, aren’t you the smoothie! Thank you for the nice little compliment, Alan.  Like most Ozzie women, I’m never quite sure if the bloke is taking the micky or not! BTW I had a look at your email provider tonight to see why you aren’t getting the spams and worm attacks in your mail, and if it would be worth opening an account with them. What they do, actually, is filter them for you, but AFTER they go onto your malbox.  You may even be getting flooded too, but would never know.  The problem with that system is that if your mailbox is full,  emails you DO want may be rejected.    You’d never know why. So don’t think you aren’t under attack, you just don’t know about it.  Sadly, it’s not quite what *I* am seeking. I want my mail totally filtered BEFORE it goes into my mailbox.  And for a reasonable cost.  Oh well. One interesting affect of the current activity is that it is forcing small organisations (that provide blacklists of the private ISP sources for spam, porn in particular), to close down. Spamcop is gone, and many others are following – they just can’t cope with the massive attacks they are getting.  It’s complicated, but it has a really sus. feel to me.  What next eh? Annette Honeymooners At Breakfast English: Pass the sugar, sugar. American: Pass the honey, honey. Australian: Pass the tea, bag! — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry – meant SMTP servers miss a lot of the posts > So, I usually cc by email, so the recepiant will be sure to get it. > If I mail privately, I usually say so.  I never send attacks in private, > just in public, and cc’d, so the scammers can not say I set unsolicited > email, I only replied to THEIR post. > As for research, the amount of diabetes research going on in the US is > huge.  Much of it is paid for by drug companies, but much of it is > public, BUT to people who don’t understand how research funding works – > it can look smaller than it is > THEN there is the misuse of numbers – OF COURSE the amount spent per > person with a rare disease is greater than the amount spent PER PERSON > with a common disease. > He also made a number of simple errors in describing diabetes, and > assumed that T1’s can get off of meds with diet and exercise.  Now THAT > is in a class with our Bengali frauds. > I looked at all that, and merely shook my head, but when he kept quoting > Momma Betty, he quoted the part that a biochemist would NEVER quote.  If > he had stuck to the mysterious brain tumors (which no one has ever seen) > or some of the other more complicated lies, he might have just been a > patsy, but NO, he quoted the parts about "toxic formalin caused by > aspartame at room temperature"  That is so bad as to be almost FUNNY. > This from a BIOCHEMIST – give us a break. > Ken quoted some of the same bullcrap, but he > 1) Had been a reasonable poster with REAL questions and positions on things. > 2) did not claim to be a biochemist > Most people didn’t attack HIM, just point out that he was wrong. > AND, he is still here, still participating, and has stopped quoiting Betty. > I do not CARE if you use artificial sweeteners or not, as long as you > don’t push scare stories, or sell Stevia.   I don’[t even use much > sweeteners at all, artificial ort otherwise.  I didn’t put sugar in my > coffee before, so I didn’t need to replace the sugar with something. > Sometimes I drink diet soda, BUT, since I don’t crave sweets, it isn’t a > big deal for me.  Some people have a real craving for sweets, and > artificial sweetners are a necessity for them.

Thanks for the reply, Ted. It all sounds fair enough. I use very little sweetening myself. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I just take-in the GOOD , and forget the bad . Nothing is worth getting upset about much . tim

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Ted , that was kicking a person when their down in my view . Not very nice , maybe you are having a bad day…sorry . tim

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No, it was kicking a scamming troll As someone else pointed out, the name "Jack Frost" should have clued us in right away. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Ted , that was kicking a person when their down in my view . Not very > nice , maybe you are having a bad day…sorry . > tim

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Sorry – meant SMTP servers miss a lot of the posts So, I usually cc by email, so the recepiant will be sure to get it. If I mail privately, I usually say so.  I never send attacks in private, just in public, and cc’d, so the scammers can not say I set unsolicited email, I only replied to THEIR post. As for research, the amount of diabetes research going on in the US is huge.  Much of it is paid for by drug companies, but much of it is public, BUT to people who don’t understand how research funding works – it can look smaller than it is THEN there is the misuse of numbers – OF COURSE the amount spent per person with a rare disease is greater than the amount spent PER PERSON with a common disease. He also made a number of simple errors in describing diabetes, and assumed that T1’s can get off of meds with diet and exercise.  Now THAT is in a class with our Bengali frauds. I looked at all that, and merely shook my head, but when he kept quoting Momma Betty, he quoted the part that a biochemist would NEVER quote.  If he had stuck to the mysterious brain tumors (which no one has ever seen) or some of the other more complicated lies, he might have just been a patsy, but NO, he quoted the parts about "toxic formalin caused by aspartame at room temperature"  That is so bad as to be almost FUNNY. This from a BIOCHEMIST – give us a break. Ken quoted some of the same bullcrap, but he 1) Had been a reasonable poster with REAL questions and positions on things. 2) did not claim to be a biochemist Most people didn’t attack HIM, just point out that he was wrong. AND, he is still here, still participating, and has stopped quoiting Betty. I do not CARE if you use artificial sweeteners or not, as long as you don’t push scare stories, or sell Stevia.   I don’[t even use much sweeteners at all, artificial ort otherwise.  I didn’t put sugar in my coffee before, so I didn’t need to replace the sugar with something. Sometimes I drink diet soda, BUT, since I don’t crave sweets, it isn’t a big deal for me.  Some people have a real craving for sweets, and artificial sweetners are a necessity for them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->cc’d by email >FIRST Annette, HE does not know anything about the state of > diabetic >research in the US, everything he said was wrong. >SECOND: He claimed knowledge in the field of research and > biochemistry >that was SO phony that it was clear he was not what he claimed to > be. >THIRD: He clearly knew little or nothing about diabetes >FINALLY: (and what set ME off) was he did the Momma Betty > Aspartame >Troll bit, RIGHT off of her website, Including statements that no > one >with ANY knowledge of biochemistry would make. >He was just another phony Aspartame Troll, TRYING to pretend to be >something else – and, he was a transparent fraud, NOT a diabetic > Hi there Ted, > I respect your right to express your opinions here.  Whether I agree > with them or not.  Although I *do* mind the bad language you use at > times when you are angry.  But I just have to put up with it, I > suppose.   I put up with a lot of things here, that I don’t > personally like. > And I don’t mind if you send an email to me privately. > What *I* find annoying is when you do both at the same time.  Is it > unavoidable in your computer set up?  If you CAN change it to do > either one or the other I would be very grateful. > As for what you have to say, I have no reply to offer.  I don’t know > enough about Jack to comment.  I take people at face value initially > until I am convinced otherwise. > I simply understood that he does have T1 diabetes and thus probably > needs the support and help of the group.  He seemed very fervent > about improving the situation for T1 diabetics.  He doesn’t know > much about T2’s.  That was all I observed, really. You say this > isn’t so.  How can you tell?  Do you have evidence of this, or is it > just a conclusion you have made? > I am frequently approached by people endeavouring to recruit people > to their particular cause.  They can be persistant, annoying and > sometimes offensive.  Still, I can just say NO.  They can’t make me > do anything I don’t want to do.  No matter how important the issue > or insistant they are.  I just let it go. > In the same way I have observed you are very fervent about > protecting people here from being deceived or misled.  That’s *your* > main goal.  I just accept that’s how you are, and i can get worked > up about that sometimes too. I respect your fervour as well. We each > have our own thing. > You probably think I am niaive. But it works for me. Live and let > live.  Speak the truth with love. Treat others as I would like to be > treated. And so on. > With all due respect for your opinions, > All the best, > Annette > The 4 Guidelines for Co-operation. > 1. In necessary things, strictness and unity. > 2. In optional things, detachment and liberty. > 3. In disagreements (usually about whether something is optional or > necessary), respect and personal integrity. > 4. In ALL things, reason and honesty. > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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cc’d by email FIRST Annette, HE does not know anything about the state of diabetic research in the US, everything he said was wrong. SECOND: He claimed knowledge in the field of research and biochemistry that was SO phony that it was clear he was not what he claimed to be. THIRD: He clearly knew little or nothing about diabetes FINALLY: (and what set ME off) was he did the Momma Betty Aspartame Troll bit, RIGHT off of her website, Including statements that no one with ANY knowledge of biochemistry would make. He was just another phony Aspartame Troll, TRYING to pretend to be something else – and, he was a transparent fraud, NOT a diabetic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away. > Hi there Jack, > I didn’t comment on your posts because I live in a different country > where the issues are somewhat different, and besides, there would be > no point, politically, anyway. But I did read them . > I agree that there appears to be a great deal of apathy when it > comes to trying to change govt attitudes and policies.  Most perhaps > just don’t have the time or energy to take it on. Some simply lack > the fervour. > One thing that I did notice was that you semed to be too focussed on > one aspect of diabetes rather than things that might have a wider > appeal to your audience.  Whatever. I do admire your recognition of > the need to take action. > As for being driven away, how about narking them, and staying on, > even just to irritate the offenders?  I sure wish some of the trolls > would leave as readily when insulted!  Like bad smells, they can be > hard to get rid of. > Genuine people like yourself are a lot less vocal while being the > very ones this group exists to help. >This has become a very negative place for me because of a few. > Like many of you I have enough negativity >in my life without asking > for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I > struggle with mine.  I >shall continue to solicit my representatives > to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise. >Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a > positive manner. > It’s great to see that those few who offended you haven’t > discouraged you from doing what *you* can.  That’s all any of us can > do.  But do be prepared for a long haul.  I’ve had diabetes for a > long time, and have seen efforts to improve Govt recognition and > assistance taking a long time to gain any headway.  It has taken at > least 20 years to see any results, but lately things *are* moving in > a better direction.  I’d bet that many a hard working , fervent > lobbyist, have had broken hearts through the years.   Every time > there is a change of government  there are new minds to win over, > new battles to fight.  And so on it goes. > The other side of things that you might want to consider is your own > personal need for support and help with managing diabetes.  There > are a lot of good hearted, knowledgable and experienced people in > the group.  Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.  Or let a > few flies spoil your Bar-B-Que! > Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. > Annette from Oz. > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cc’d by email > FIRST Annette, HE does not know anything about the state of diabetic > research in the US, everything he said was wrong. > SECOND: He claimed knowledge in the field of research and biochemistry > that was SO phony that it was clear he was not what he claimed to be. > THIRD: He clearly knew little or nothing about diabetes > FINALLY: (and what set ME off) was he did the Momma Betty Aspartame > Troll bit, RIGHT off of her website, Including statements that no one > with ANY knowledge of biochemistry would make. > He was just another phony Aspartame Troll, TRYING to pretend to be > something else – and, he was a transparent fraud, NOT a diabetic

Hi there Ted, I respect your right to express your opinions here.  Whether I agree with them or not.  Although I *do* mind the bad language you use at times when you are angry.  But I just have to put up with it, I suppose.   I put up with a lot of things here, that I don’t personally like. And I don’t mind if you send an email to me privately. What *I* find annoying is when you do both at the same time.  Is it unavoidable in your computer set up?  If you CAN change it to do either one or the other I would be very grateful. As for what you have to say, I have no reply to offer.  I don’t know enough about Jack to comment.  I take people at face value initially until I am convinced otherwise. I simply understood that he does have T1 diabetes and thus probably needs the support and help of the group.  He seemed very fervent about improving the situation for T1 diabetics.  He doesn’t know much about T2’s.  That was all I observed, really. You say this isn’t so.  How can you tell?  Do you have evidence of this, or is it just a conclusion you have made? I am frequently approached by people endeavouring to recruit people to their particular cause.  They can be persistant, annoying and sometimes offensive.  Still, I can just say NO.  They can’t make me do anything I don’t want to do.  No matter how important the issue or insistant they are.  I just let it go. In the same way I have observed you are very fervent about protecting people here from being deceived or misled.  That’s *your* main goal.  I just accept that’s how you are, and i can get worked up about that sometimes too. I respect your fervour as well. We each have our own thing. You probably think I am niaive. But it works for me. Live and let live.  Speak the truth with love. Treat others as I would like to be treated. And so on. With all due respect for your opinions, All the best, Annette The 4 Guidelines for Co-operation. 1. In necessary things, strictness and unity. 2. In optional things, detachment and liberty. 3. In disagreements (usually about whether something is optional or necessary), respect and personal integrity. 4. In ALL things, reason and honesty. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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  Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.   —   Dear Jack,   So sorry you were met with such difficulty.   This newsgroup is occasionally rather tough on newbies and it was something I didn’t understand either.   After a while you begin to see the reason soon enough.   We are the targets of all sorts of scam artists and snake oil salesmen here, and the regulars here just hate it.   Every new poster is regarded as suspect till they prove they are real and not some peddler of poisons.   Every newcomer sort of gets to run the gauntlet, most especially if they mention suspect products or if they come with previously-formed strong opinions.   I would advise you to take it more slowly and go easy if that is possible.   Not all people here are unkind or heavy handed, and not all those who come on that way mean it unkindly either.   Killfile those whose style you find aggressive, and lurk a while.   You will soon enough see which posters are helpful and kind and filled with goodwill.  We have plenty of them if you take the time to know who they are.   I have found many kind and friendly people here in spite of a similarly rocky early experience.   I wish you well.   Evelyn   "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst into laughter."    -Longchenpa

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Hello Jack Frost: sorry this has happened to you too Jack. you will find that you can not see certain people if you so wish. if you kill filter the ones that bother you they can not bother you. i dont know if you are newlie dx’d but if you are – i am truely sorry for what has happened to you also. since i started comming here i have about 50 people that have posted in my kill filter – some are gone and some remain.  if you do not like the way things are in here the best thing you can do is put certain people in your kill filter(ignore them). so the next time someone comes in needing help and gets treated the same way – you will be here to talk to them. i myself welcome any newbie no matter if they like the US – like low carb – low fat artificial sweeteners – it just not matter to me if you have different likes or beliefs than i do. if i dont like someone i simply stop talking to them – i dont feel the need to insult someone just because they have different beliefs or even if i do not like them. may i suggest you try – misc.health.diabetes or alt.support.diabetes.UK i happen to like the people in the UK news group or just the way the group works. good luck to you. but remember you can help make this group a better place for people who have similar feelings as yourself – How? just kill filter those you do not want to talk to – and get help from those who do not insult you and give help to those that need it. Shadow Spirit

Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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Maybe if you hadn’t come on like Thor with his mighty hammer I wouldn’t have responded like I did. You need to accept some blame, at least, for what happened. I didn’t mean to "drive you off", just make you realize that you and everyone else are individuals and as such, not everyone can go jogging three times a day (Jim Fixx died of a heart attack while jogging, fyi) like you imply we all needed to do. Budd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very > negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough > negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much > luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of > you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me > personally in a positive manner.

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> Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your

efforts have succeeded in driving me away. Hi there Jack, I didn’t comment on your posts because I live in a different country where the issues are somewhat different, and besides, there would be no point, politically, anyway. But I did read them . I agree that there appears to be a great deal of apathy when it comes to trying to change govt attitudes and policies.  Most perhaps just don’t have the time or energy to take it on. Some simply lack the fervour. One thing that I did notice was that you semed to be too focussed on one aspect of diabetes rather than things that might have a wider appeal to your audience.  Whatever. I do admire your recognition of the need to take action. As for being driven away, how about narking them, and staying on, even just to irritate the offenders?  I sure wish some of the trolls would leave as readily when insulted!  Like bad smells, they can be hard to get rid of. Genuine people like yourself are a lot less vocal while being the very ones this group exists to help. >This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.

Like many of you I have enough negativity >in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I >shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise. >Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a

positive manner. It’s great to see that those few who offended you haven’t discouraged you from doing what *you* can.  That’s all any of us can do.  But do be prepared for a long haul.  I’ve had diabetes for a long time, and have seen efforts to improve Govt recognition and assistance taking a long time to gain any headway.  It has taken at least 20 years to see any results, but lately things *are* moving in a better direction.  I’d bet that many a hard working , fervent lobbyist, have had broken hearts through the years.   Every time there is a change of government  there are new minds to win over, new battles to fight.  And so on it goes. The other side of things that you might want to consider is your own personal need for support and help with managing diabetes.  There are a lot of good hearted, knowledgable and experienced people in the group.  Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.  Or let a few flies spoil your Bar-B-Que! Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. Annette from Oz. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Dear Jack I have been here almost five years and I think it is very sad that you feel you must leave. In this group these days you have to take what is good for your diabetes and leave the rest. Block those that hurt or offend you. But please stay and get what you need to live and live healthy. If you must go though I wish you all the best and take very good care of yourself and find a "real" support group that is willing to give you their best. Diana

Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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cc’d by email Well, that is YOUR decision Someone comes on the newsgroup spouts a whole bunch of arrant nonsense And WE are accused of being inhospitable when we point out that he is full of shit If you are going to continue to moan, whine, pontificate, and lie – you should not worry about the doorknob on the way out. If, instead, you asked and listened – you might learn something.  You then might even be able to contribute. BUT, you don’t WANT to learn anything, you want to impress all of us with your greatness. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > *Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very > negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough > negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much > luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of > you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me > personally in a positive manner.*

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>Someone comes on the newsgroup >spouts a whole bunch of arrant nonsense >And WE are accused of being inhospitable when we point out that he is >full of shit >If you are going to continue to moan, whine, pontificate, and lie – you >should not worry about the doorknob on the way out.

Ted – put a sock in it. Enough. PS If you want to email me direct, feel free. Remove spam.  My hide is fairly thick. You perform a good service here against spammers, but learn when to quit when you’re ahead. Where I come from, kicking a man when he’s down is considered cowardice. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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Jack, I’ve only been here a few months and I personally have found everyone to be very helpful.  Correct me if I am wrong, but the way I see, you just came in and started shouting away about funding and immediately expected everyone to jump on board with you. Would you normally just walk into a room full of people that you don’t know and start shouting, "Hey everybody, let’s go march on The White House!!?? Your cause is noble, but you need to refine your approach so that people will consider listening to you in the future. — Eddie Type 2   Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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>If you are going to continue to moan, whine, pontificate, and lie – you >should not worry about the doorknob on the way out.

I just remembered why I don’t like to read your posts. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is  falling through street grates."  ~Dave Barry~

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> Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that > your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has > become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like > many of you I have enough negativity in my life without > asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your > diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I > urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few > who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

Bye! Have a good life… BJ

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Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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take care, Jack. I filter out folks that irritate me too much.  (‘course that’s just a select few… ) we’ll be right here if you change your mind… dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very > negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough > negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much > luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of > you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me > personally in a positive manner.

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>Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

As I’m one of those who chided you, I’m sorry to see you go. I have found that the end result, measured simply in A1c, controlled BGs, low blood pressure and better quality of life more than make up for the hassles and vitriol. There is a lot of good info and many good people here; but you have to be prepared to take it if you throw an unsupported statement out on the ether. Too many lurkers are reading who may believe a false statement if it is not rebutted. This is definitely a forum for put up or shut up. There are also a lot of twits here, and you have to wade through their dross at times. Sometimes that can be any of us; anyone can post something stupid or hurtful (including either of us), the smart part is admitting it later. People are complex and life is unfair. Now that we have accepted the truth of that, I wish you’d stay – but if you have to go, goodbye and good luck. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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This post not CC’d by email >Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

G’day G’day Jack,  Now that is sad.  Not because anyone was unkind to you or anything like that.  It is sad because you have political aspirations, aspirations that could produce a lot of benefit for diabetics and you are thin skinned. Sadly it isn’t a workable combination. IMHO have a good nights sleep and reflect on it. If your position advocating militancy on the part of diabetics is valid, it will be still as valid tomorrow.  If it is not then best it die a quick and quiet death. Let’s say on reflection you decide that militant advocacy is what is required to produce political awareness, then before running up against some real hard-nosed politicians how about coming back here and sparring. If the standard of sparring partners isn’t up to the training you require you could pay a mole to sling abuse and poo poo all your suggestions regardless of how sensible them might be.   That way you will be much better prepared for when you take on the real thing.  You’ll have the devastating answers when they are most needed. When split seconds count you’ll know the right thing to say. Pick a few fights with the serotonin deficient posters whose insulin is well and truly out of whack.  That way when it really counts nothing will faze you. Nothing. Best wishes with the courage and depth of passion thing. — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       >#,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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>Mack, >Thanks for the SITREP. I gather you’re in Norfolk. >When do they figure they’ll have the Midtown Tunnel back in business? >Regards, >James the Elder

last report not for another month and a half. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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> last report not for another month and a half.

Geeze! Bet that’s making a LOT of commuters unhappy. And all for want of a bigger hammer! Regards, James the Elder

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>> last report not for another month and a half. >Geeze! Bet that’s making a LOT of commuters unhappy. >And all for want of a bigger hammer! >Regards, >James the Elder

we found out the other day that the tunnel’s flood gates have not been tested or fully closed in over 2 years.  lack of proper maintenance may been a contributing factor. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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Halifax, NS was just hit very hard by Juan.

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Mack, Thanks for the SITREP. I gather you’re in Norfolk. When do they figure they’ll have the Midtown Tunnel back in business? Regards, James the Elder

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Mack, what a story!  When I hear tales such as yours I appreciate again just how fortunate we were.  Stay safe. — Best wishes Louise Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were >without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably >about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell >on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big >challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad >water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. >All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only >minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t >have power yet. > I went to work from  9 am on Thursday until 9 am on Friday to provide > coverage for the storm.  At work we have a large campus.  To walk the > entire perimeter it takes 1 and 15 minutes without stopping.  This > includes the Rec. Island and the hiking trails.  We had several small > trees come down around the parking garage and day car center.  One of > the large trees about 3 stories tall was almost uprooted next to the > main building, even though it is hanging at a 15 degree angle now it > is still being supported by it’s root ball.  The hiking trails along > the river are impassible due to all the trees that came down.  The > Rec. Island only has a couple of branches down.  None of the buildings > suffered any damage.  We still haven’t found out why our small 100 KW > generator blew.  I was actually checking the fuel gauge when it > happened at 2 am and the shower of sparks was pretty un-nerving.  The > 400 KW generator made it through the night.  We had power back on at > the office some time Friday afternoon before I went back to work. > Shortly after losing power all over the city we had a report of a > tornado on the ground in my neighborhood.  Judging from the amount of > damage in my area I don’t think the report was accurate.  I was in > constant telephone contact with my other half who actually got the > night off and stayed home, even though the original plan was to be in > a secured government facility sharing space with marines and navy > personnel until the storm passed. > Normally my office runs on limited staff on Saturdays and is closed on > Sundays.  We changed that and opened for Sat and Sun operating hours > last Saturday.  We started flying in extra people from our home office > and other regional offices so we could have enough people in he field > processing claims as quickly as possible.  We quickly filled several > local hotels with our out of state employees and to help our local > employees we have been allowing them to come in and get ice, shower in > the fitness center and as always we allow them to bring their family > members into eat in our full service restaurant style cafeteria. > At my house we were without power for 3 days.  Lost a few things in > the fridge, nothing from the deep freezer (packed it in ice and kept > fresh ice in it until the power came back on.)  No damage to my home > or any of the trees in my yard.  Many within a 3 block radius did not > do as well.  Several had 2 or more trees fall on and come into their > homes.  One lady’s home is buried under 4 trees only one of which is > from her own yard.  My foster mom is still without power.  She lives > only a few blocks away on the other side of the high way that > separates our neighborhoods.  She’s been spending time here in the AC > but going home at night to keep an eye on her property.  I’ve been > keeping several large coolers filled with ice at her house and keeping > her supplied with fresh brewed Iced Tea and food.  Although many of > the local restaurants opened by Saturday or Sunday and have been > keeping longer hours to feed as many people as possible.  The local > christian church down the street from my house disappointed the entire > neighborhood when the preacher went door to door with a chain saw > asking people if they needed help cutting out any branches or trees > and then asking and I quote "how much money do you have to pay for > this?"  Some areas are still without power and some places were so > badly damaged by falling trees that they are literally unlivable.  One > of the local bridge/tunnels will be closed for up to 2 months because > the bridge workers waited too long to close the flood gates and the > tunnel flooded.  Those areas still without power are under curfew to > reduce crime and help stop the looting that started as soon as local > EMS/Police announced on the radio and TV that all services would be > suspended during the worst part of the storm.  I’ve given away all the > extra supplies I laid in for the storm, batteries, food, bottled > water, kerosene lights and other supplies. > Mack > Type 1 since 1975 > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >  terrorism.

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>Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were >without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably >about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell >on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big >challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad >water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. >All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only >minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t >have power yet.

I went to work from  9 am on Thursday until 9 am on Friday to provide coverage for the storm.  At work we have a large campus.  To walk the entire perimeter it takes 1 and 15 minutes without stopping.  This includes the Rec. Island and the hiking trails.  We had several small trees come down around the parking garage and day car center.  One of the large trees about 3 stories tall was almost uprooted next to the main building, even though it is hanging at a 15 degree angle now it is still being supported by it’s root ball.  The hiking trails along the river are impassible due to all the trees that came down.  The Rec. Island only has a couple of branches down.  None of the buildings suffered any damage.  We still haven’t found out why our small 100 KW generator blew.  I was actually checking the fuel gauge when it happened at 2 am and the shower of sparks was pretty un-nerving.  The 400 KW generator made it through the night.  We had power back on at the office some time Friday afternoon before I went back to work.   Shortly after losing power all over the city we had a report of a tornado on the ground in my neighborhood.  Judging from the amount of damage in my area I don’t think the report was accurate.  I was in constant telephone contact with my other half who actually got the night off and stayed home, even though the original plan was to be in a secured government facility sharing space with marines and navy personnel until the storm passed. Normally my office runs on limited staff on Saturdays and is closed on Sundays.  We changed that and opened for Sat and Sun operating hours last Saturday.  We started flying in extra people from our home office and other regional offices so we could have enough people in he field processing claims as quickly as possible.  We quickly filled several local hotels with our out of state employees and to help our local employees we have been allowing them to come in and get ice, shower in the fitness center and as always we allow them to bring their family members into eat in our full service restaurant style cafeteria. At my house we were without power for 3 days.  Lost a few things in the fridge, nothing from the deep freezer (packed it in ice and kept fresh ice in it until the power came back on.)  No damage to my home or any of the trees in my yard.  Many within a 3 block radius did not do as well.  Several had 2 or more trees fall on and come into their homes.  One lady’s home is buried under 4 trees only one of which is from her own yard.  My foster mom is still without power.  She lives only a few blocks away on the other side of the high way that separates our neighborhoods.  She’s been spending time here in the AC but going home at night to keep an eye on her property.  I’ve been keeping several large coolers filled with ice at her house and keeping her supplied with fresh brewed Iced Tea and food.  Although many of the local restaurants opened by Saturday or Sunday and have been keeping longer hours to feed as many people as possible.  The local christian church down the street from my house disappointed the entire neighborhood when the preacher went door to door with a chain saw asking people if they needed help cutting out any branches or trees and then asking and I quote "how much money do you have to pay for this?"  Some areas are still without power and some places were so badly damaged by falling trees that they are literally unlivable.  One of the local bridge/tunnels will be closed for up to 2 months because the bridge workers waited too long to close the flood gates and the tunnel flooded.  Those areas still without power are under curfew to reduce crime and help stop the looting that started as soon as local EMS/Police announced on the radio and TV that all services would be suspended during the worst part of the storm.  I’ve given away all the extra supplies I laid in for the storm, batteries, food, bottled water, kerosene lights and other supplies. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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This post not CC’d by email >Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were >without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably >about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell >on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big >challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad >water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. >All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only >minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t >have power yet.

G’day G’day Folks,  Glad you came through it all so well. I’ll guess we’ll hear about the ones who didn’t fare so well later. The nuts were a smart idea. While nothing as dramatic has occurred here it is the Spring equinox and four transport lorries were over turned on open stretches of highway by the winds. Best wishes, especially for those as yet unaccounted for. — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       >#,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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In todays newspaper, it stated that some power may not be back on for almost a month for some NC residents! I sympathize for the ones who had it rough with this storm. I recall Hugo in ‘89, and it came inland toward the Western part of NC. I live 45-50 miles from Charlotte. We only got a little wind off of Isabel. One thing I did see the day of Isabel, rather in the evening….it was a RAINBOW! Hadn’t seen one in a long time. My father seen it from the front porch and had me to see it. (no pot of gold though, at the end of it)….:( (LOL!!!) Kimberly Hedrick type 1, since 1974, at age 3.

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> Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were > without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably > about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell > on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big > challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad > water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. > All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only > minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t > have power yet.

We were only slightly affected here in NY.  Had a power outage overnight, and some downed trees, but no real damage. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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We were without DSL for 14 hours!!! however two blocks west of us, and west for almost a mile from there still has no signs of power or traffic lights. We were prepared for flooding as we are sensitive to heavy rainfall, but got none. I cut down or trimmed all the trees near from the houses power, phone, and cable lines.  I think that the investment in a new pruning hook WELL paid for itself. The trees and vines had been so entangled that when I cut the largest tree down, it stayed hung up.  I had to trim it out of the lines with a 20′ pruning hook We had three trees down on the house last major storm (Floyd), so I guess the remaining ones were strong enough and had deep enough roots. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were > without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably > about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell > on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big > challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad > water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. > All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only > minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t > have power yet. > — > Best wishes > Louise > Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise

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Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t have power yet. — Best wishes Louise Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise

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Glad to hear that there wasn’t any lasting physical damage. Welcome back, you only missed 5 or 6 flamewars, pretty average really, LOL. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any other Isabel survivors out there?  We didn’t do too badly.  We were > without power for 3 days and internet access for 4 days.  We lost probably > about $200 of food, but were able to save most of our meats.  No trees fell > on our house and no water or sewage damage.  Adjusting what I ate was a big > challenge.  I ate a lot of nuts and salads from a cooler.  We also had bad > water for a couple days, but we had enough bottled water to tide us over. > All in all a very scary storm, but I’m grateful we got through it with only > minor financial loss and inconvenience.   There are still some who don’t > have power yet. > — > Best wishes > Louise > Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise

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> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. >You really want to give out this junk to kids?  They can swallow them

hurt themselves with it etc. Give them good wholesome chocolate in all it wonderful forms.  It won’t hurt anyone. We always give out good cookies and candy.  We have never been sued. There is nothing wrong with sugar.

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> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. >You really want to give out this junk to kids?  They can swallow them > hurt themselves with it etc. > Give them good wholesome chocolate in all it wonderful forms.  It > won’t hurt anyone. > We always give out good cookies and candy.  We have never been sued. > There is nothing wrong with sugar.

There’s plenty wrong with it (sugar) if you don’t want it around the house. Or if you, yourself have diabetes and have a child who is also a bit overweight.  I watch what my child eats.  Of course she gets candy sometimes.  But she gets so much of it at Halloween that most of it goes straight in the trash.  Such a waste!  However, the poster you relied to was talking about the dangers of giving small toys to small children who might be injured by them. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Even MU would not come up with a number like that one . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We always give out good cookies and candy.  We have never been sued. > There is nothing wrong with sugar.

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A couple of years ago the local grocery store had half-size micro-pop with a H’ween motif. Those were popular. Never saw them again. I think it was the M&M guys putting the squeeze on the store manager! — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. > BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg > swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses > and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. > Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) > The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing…. > I have made up a couple of treasure chests, dividing my toys into those for > over the age of 3 and those for under the age of three.  For the smaller > ones I have small stuffed animals, rubber ducks, and a few other soft > plastic toys.  Those cost more than the other toys, but I also have less of > them.  In that box, I also have some lollipops with the safety sticks.  I > will let the parent choose what they think is appropriate. > I would never give out sugar free treats to kids because of the laxative > effect they have.  I had considered giving out little bags of pretzels last > year, but I had no idea how many kids we would have and the thought of being > stuck with tons of bags of pretzels wasn’t appealing either.  None of us are > real pretzel lovers.  My daughter did get some bags of chips and microwave > popcorn last year.  So that was kind of cool. > I did buy a small quantity of rather expensive little candies because my > daughter wanted them.  I figure I won’t be stuck with many of those since I > didn’t buy a lot.  I have quite a variety of things for the kids to choose > from, including pens and stationary for the older kids.  And I still spent > less than I usually do when I buy the little snack bags of chocolate candy. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Using sicklys’ reasoning, I suppose me asking you where I could get an > Hawaiian Ice Shaver was commercial info huh? Where will we spend all the > money we made on that one huh? LMBO

Hehe.  I know what you mean! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. > BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg > swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses > and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. > Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) > The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing….

I have made up a couple of treasure chests, dividing my toys into those for over the age of 3 and those for under the age of three.  For the smaller ones I have small stuffed animals, rubber ducks, and a few other soft plastic toys.  Those cost more than the other toys, but I also have less of them.  In that box, I also have some lollipops with the safety sticks.  I will let the parent choose what they think is appropriate. I would never give out sugar free treats to kids because of the laxative effect they have.  I had considered giving out little bags of pretzels last year, but I had no idea how many kids we would have and the thought of being stuck with tons of bags of pretzels wasn’t appealing either.  None of us are real pretzel lovers.  My daughter did get some bags of chips and microwave popcorn last year.  So that was kind of cool. I did buy a small quantity of rather expensive little candies because my daughter wanted them.  I figure I won’t be stuck with many of those since I didn’t buy a lot.  I have quite a variety of things for the kids to choose from, including pens and stationary for the older kids.  And I still spent less than I usually do when I buy the little snack bags of chocolate candy. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and having candy around the house), I give out little Halloween toys. The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a gross (that’s 144 pieces).  And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. Jennifer

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Excellent idea!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces).  And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. > Jennifer

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Trick or Treat!!!!! I love Halloween. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces).  And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. > Jennifer

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> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces).  And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year.

I did the same thing.  Also ordered from US Toy company.  I do have some candy, but mainly toys. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Thanks Jennifer , it is one of the nicest web-sites I have ever seen too !!! tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces).  And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. > Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and >having candy around the house), I give >out little Halloween toys. >The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com >I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a >gross (that’s 144 pieces).  And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. >The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. >Jennifer > So why not OK for a ASD non regular?

This is NOT a commercial post!  She is telling us where we can get inexpensive toys for Halloween.  She herself is not benefiting from the Oriental Trading Company.  *sheesh*  BTW, are you even diabetic?  Seems like all you do here is complain about people’s posts. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Using sicklys’ reasoning, I suppose me asking you where I could get an Hawaiian Ice Shaver was commercial info huh? Where will we spend all the money we made on that one huh? LMBO — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >This is NOT a commercial post!  She is telling us where we can get >inexpensive toys for Halloween.  She herself is not benefiting from the >Oriental Trading Company.  *sheesh*  BTW, are you even diabetic?  Seems like >all you do here is complain about people’s posts. >– >Type 2 >http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing….

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But the sugar frees contain the ‘tols and can cause gastic distress which may affect children even more.  We give them nickels. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. > BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg > swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses > and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. > Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) > The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing….

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My insurance has this option, if I use their m.o. provider, Express Scripts, I get a 90 day supply for the same copay as a 30 day supply from local pharmacies. Since I use 7 prescription drugs, that’s a $42 a month savings for me. TerryR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you > to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run. > bj

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 > > And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run. > True.  This is an option that I have, but I choose not to use it.

Sometimes you can save money by going that route, but I can’t.  And since they seem to keep switching my meds or at least changing the dose, I may as well just go to the pharmacy up the street. I use all 3 options — local w/insurance for new/try-out/changed/temporary meds, m.o. w/ins. for long-term established meds & strips (except in hot weather), and local "retail" for one that costs about the same as my copay — but paying retail lets me buy a more convenient quantity, and it’s also a long-term maintenance med. bj

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> And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you > to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run.

True.  This is an option that I have, but I choose not to use it.  Sometimes you can save money by going that route, but I can’t.  And since they seem to keep switching my meds or at least changing the dose, I may as well just go to the pharmacy up the street. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> If for some reason, you can’t get out to get prescriptions, there are

other ways around it.  Many of the large chains have online pharmacies and will mail your prescriptions to you.  Often, there will be a local pharmacy or two that will deliver.  No need to use a third party who only wants your money. And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run. bj

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’ve noticed a number of posters from the US mentioning the high costs > of diabetes supplies over there. > I have no financial or other interest in what follows except that it > may have some value to US people. > I have just come across an ad in the AARP magazine (I joined for > travel discounts) for a firm called "Liberty" who claim to deliver > diabetes supplies and fill out the medicare forms for you – > deductibles and co-payments apply. > It’s probably old news to you guys. I have no idea if they are good, > bad, a scam or indifferent.  I’ll post the phone number if you are > interested in knowing any more, or pass it on by email if you’d prefer > I don’t post it. >From what I have heard, they are not good.  I can go to the pharmacy and not >have to fill out any paperwork.  This place will deliver, and deliver and >deliver, and not always things that you need.  Meanwhile, you are paying >co-pays for this stuff.  And if they happen to send you stuff that is not >covered by your insurance, they expect you to pay the full amount for it. >And once you start getting this stuff, it can be difficult to make them stop >sending it, or charging you for it! >If for some reason, you can’t get out to get prescriptions, there are other >ways around it.  Many of the large chains have online pharmacies and will >mail your prescriptions to you.  Often, there will be a local pharmacy or >two that will deliver.  No need to use a third party who only wants your >money.

Thx Julie. Glad someone knew about them. Back in my box Cheers Alan

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> Hi all. > I’ve noticed a number of posters from the US mentioning the high costs > of diabetes supplies over there. > I have no financial or other interest in what follows except that it > may have some value to US people. > I have just come across an ad in the AARP magazine (I joined for > travel discounts) for a firm called "Liberty" who claim to deliver > diabetes supplies and fill out the medicare forms for you – > deductibles and co-payments apply. > It’s probably old news to you guys. I have no idea if they are good, > bad, a scam or indifferent.  I’ll post the phone number if you are > interested in knowing any more, or pass it on by email if you’d prefer > I don’t post it.

From what I have heard, they are not good.  I can go to the pharmacy and not have to fill out any paperwork.  This place will deliver, and deliver and deliver, and not always things that you need.  Meanwhile, you are paying co-pays for this stuff.  And if they happen to send you stuff that is not covered by your insurance, they expect you to pay the full amount for it. And once you start getting this stuff, it can be difficult to make them stop sending it, or charging you for it! If for some reason, you can’t get out to get prescriptions, there are other ways around it.  Many of the large chains have online pharmacies and will mail your prescriptions to you.  Often, there will be a local pharmacy or two that will deliver.  No need to use a third party who only wants your money. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Hi all. I’ve noticed a number of posters from the US mentioning the high costs of diabetes supplies over there. I have no financial or other interest in what follows except that it may have some value to US people. I have just come across an ad in the AARP magazine (I joined for travel discounts) for a firm called "Liberty" who claim to deliver diabetes supplies and fill out the medicare forms for you – deductibles and co-payments apply. It’s probably old news to you guys. I have no idea if they are good, bad, a scam or indifferent.  I’ll post the phone number if you are interested in knowing any more, or pass it on by email if you’d prefer I don’t post it. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do you change your lance after every finger prick? Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? Thanks, Eddie Type 2

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I’ve been using the same one for longer than a month. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

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I change mine whenever I open a new packet of strips or sometimes longer.  I buy the strips by the 100’s.  I’ve been testing for a year and I’ve still got most of my box of 100 left. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

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I can’t remember when the last time I change the lancet.  I check at least 15 times a day. I doubt it’s been changed in the last 6 months…do the math.  Like an idiot, I used to change them EVERY TIME (before I had a lancet device).  I was a mechanic back then and my fingers were dirty, so I guess that’s why I would throw out each used lancet. BTW, I’ve been doing this for (finger sticks) for more than 20 years and haven’t ever gotten an infection.  I don’t clean my fingers with alcohol or anything… dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

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I’m sorry, did you say 15 TIMES a day? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I can’t remember when the last time I change the lancet.  I check at > least 15 times a day. I doubt it’s been changed in the last 6 > months…do the math.  Like an idiot, I used to change them EVERY TIME > (before I had a lancet device).  I was a mechanic back then and my > fingers were dirty, so I guess that’s why I would throw out each used > lancet. > BTW, I’ve been doing this for (finger sticks) for more than 20 years and > haven’t ever gotten an infection.  I don’t clean my fingers with alcohol > or anything… > dave > How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

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i change my lance everytime i use it. on days that i test multiple times – i will use the same one – unless my house was very warm. something about old blood that worries me – sure many here use them for months at a time – but for the cost is it really worth it?  i would think most doctors would tell you to use a new one each time – if you get an infection its going to play havoc with your blood sugar levels. but like i said many here use it for many times – i prefer to use a new one each time. lol tell you the truth i don’t even remember how much i paid for them. — http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 – Male – Type – 2 Dx’d January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1 July 15 : How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do : you change your lance after every finger prick? : : Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? : : Thanks, : : Eddie : Type 2 : : :

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> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests? >  Or do you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance?

I used almost never to change the lancet.  Then, on a lark, I changed the lancet after some 300 uses.  The new one was clearly sharper and punctured with less pain.  I’ve tried changing weekly (about 35 uses) with no noticeable difference between old and new lancets.  Now I change lancets about once a month. As long as you are the only person using the lancet, and as long as it isn’t hurting more to use it, I see no reason to change it. Guy

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I change lancets each and every time I test. They are not so expensive that I am willing to risk even the remote possibility of an infection by reusing them. When I test, I wash the testing area thoroughly before and after. Depending on my daily routine, I test anywhere from 6 to 10 times a day. For the most part, I test on my arms. Before and after exercising, however, I test on my finger tips. Southpaw T 1

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> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick?

I used to change mine every day.  Not for every prick, but every day.  I think discovered that I could use the same lancet for weeks at a time and it was actually less painful!  So now I continue to use the same lancet until it does become painful again. > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance?

If you are using the lancet on another person, then you must use a fresh one.  Remember to change to a fresh one again for yourself.  Otherwise, no reason to change it.  The reason they change them in the Drs. office is because they are testing so many different people. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

I can get by for a couple of months on the same lance point.  However, I would never share it with another person.

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change the lancet….. that would be ST Swithens (sp?) day or when it hurts i get a good 3 to 6 months from a lancet with no problems…… of course, you change it when someone else tests with your lancer thing kate — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

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> How many of you out there reuse your lances for multiple BG tests?  Or do > you change your lance after every finger prick? > Any detrimental reasons not to reuse the same lance? > Thanks, > Eddie > Type 2

I use the same one until it is noticeably dull. That usually takes about three months of using it multiple times per day. — Chuck -

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> Yes Clinistics or Diasticks ( Urine test strips ) detect sugar in > liquids ( i believe they even detect starch , but not sure )

They won’t detect sugar, as in white sugar.  But they will detect high fructose corn syrup and that is what regular sodas are sweetened with in this country.  Exception being the stuff that is made for Passover.  It has sugar. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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You can get it in a million places on the internet. However. When I lived in Chicago and frequented some pretty authentic Greek restaurants, the avgolemono soup didn’t have rice.  It had orzo, which is a rice shaped pasta.  I don’t know about you, but I find I can get along with some pastas, but not others. And it’s highly unpredictable.  But you might want to try it.  It is authentic. Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Look where the store have the special packaged rice side dishes.  If not > the > next time you are in a large store, you can buy it in bulk.  I can to > brown > rice without a problem.  Even Basmati spikes me. > I did look there.  Apparently it’s not a big seller here.  I had no trouble > getting it in WA. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Julie that is very smart of you.   Knowing the genetic component of > diabetes, it is smart to get your daughter drinking diet soda now.   I keep > telling that to my kids, since not only me, but both my siblings have it. > Has to be a very strong genetic component in my family.

Yes.  Diabetes runs on both sides of the family and my daughter already has a bit of a weight problem despite my watching her diet and making sure she gets exercise.  Alas, weight problems run on both sides of the family too. > My complaint was with restaurants sneaking me regular caffeinated coffee > instead of decaf.   For some odd reason I am nearly "allergic" to coffee > with caffeine and it just makes me all shaky and nervous followed by a sort > of a "crash" in energy leaving me feeling exhausted.    Forget sleeping that > night if I drink it anytime in the afternoon.

I’m not much of a coffee drinker and if I do drink it, I’m drinking it for the caffeine.  But I know what you’re saying.  I’ve actually seen them dump a partial pot of coffee into the other pot paying no mind to whether it was the real stuff or the decaf.  My Dad always orders decaf and he can tell by the way he feels that it isn’t always what he got. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> In our grocery stores they are always out of Basmati rice.  I have found > however that in several of the stores they also have it in the natural food > section.  Maybe you can find it in a store that has natural food.

I hadn’t thought of that.  If I need any again, I will try there. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Maybe so, but I was unable to find any here.  The recipe I used called for > that, but it was nowhere to be found.

In our grocery stores they are always out of Basmati rice.  I have found however that in several of the stores they also have it in the natural food section.  Maybe you can find it in a store that has natural food. Michael (Tabaliah) http://www.qso.ca/tabaliah/

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Yes Clinistics or Diasticks ( Urine test strips ) detect sugar in liquids ( i believe they even detect starch , but not sure ) tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You might want to try using Diastix.  It’s a dipstick meant to test sugar in > urine, but you can use them in soda.  You can buy them at most pharmacies in > packages of 50 or 100 and the cost is about .10 per strip.  I can’t tell the > difference and I swear by these.  More than a few times I’ve been served > regular soda and I never would have known the difference if I hadn’t tested. > — > Best wishes > Louise > Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise > Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the >  beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but >  I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this >  meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it >  was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this >  time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

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Unfortunately the onus is on us to monitor what we eat and drink, not what someone else says it is.  I’ve been caught out a few times myself and then I find that shouting in a full restaurant of people does the trick. Barry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Buy some Chemstrips and use them to dip pop when eating out. We have been > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

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you aren’t allergic.  You feel the same thing that anyone who abstains from regular caffeine intake would feel–it’s the "rush".  Folks who indulge in caffeinated products on a regular basis must like the feeling: Speeded up heart rate and the jitters.  I also don’t like caffeine, although it doesn’t stop me from enjoy chocolate! If I drink regular iced tea late in the day I can’t fall asleep when I go to bed. here’s an excerpt off the net regarding caffeine: http://coffeefaq.com/caffaq.html Caffeine is an alkaloid. There are numerous compounds called alkaloids, among them we have the methylxanthines, with three distinguished compounds: caffeine, theophylline, and theobromine, found in cola nuts, coffee, tea, cacao beans, mate and other plants. These compounds have different biochemical effects, and are present in different ratios in the different plant sources. These compounds are very similar and differ only by the presence of methyl groups in two positions of the chemical structure. They are easily oxidized to uric acid and other methyluric acids which are also similar in chemical structure. Caffeine: Sources: Coffee, tea, cola nuts, mate, guarana. Effects: Stimulant of central nervous system, cardiac muscle, and respiratory system, diuretic Delays fatigue. Theophylline: Sources: Tea Effects: Cariac stimulant, smooth muscle relaxant, diuretic, vasodilator Theobromine: Sources: Principle alkaloid of the cocoa bean (1.5-3%) Cola nuts and tea Effects: Diuretic, smooth muscle relaxant, cardiac stimulant, vasodilator. dave

snip  > For some odd reason I am nearly "allergic" to coffee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> with caffeine and it just makes me all shaky and nervous followed by a sort > of a "crash" in energy leaving me feeling exhausted.    Forget sleeping that > night if I drink it anytime in the afternoon.

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Look where the store have the special packaged rice side dishes.  If not the next time you are in a large store, you can buy it in bulk.  I can to brown rice without a problem.  Even Basmati spikes me. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > How about brown rice?  Is that any better for you? > No, but Basmati rice is. > Maybe so, but I was unable to find any here.  The recipe I used called for > that, but it was nowhere to be found. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Look where the store have the special packaged rice side dishes.  If not the > next time you are in a large store, you can buy it in bulk.  I can to brown > rice without a problem.  Even Basmati spikes me.

I did look there.  Apparently it’s not a big seller here.  I had no trouble getting it in WA. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >My wife can detect a regular Coke or Pesi with one sip.  I can’t. >Whenever she suspects that the idiot behind the Mickey Dees counter gave >her a regular soda, she uses the Ultra meter to verify.  If it’s got >sugar in it it will read "high".  Try it some time >dave > Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

That’s the idea. I never buy to consume anything that is not in it’s original container and which I cannot identify with some degree of certainty. But there again, I never take soft drinks of any kind. Not now. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to 170 lbs 02/08/03 target 161.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Buy some Chemstrips and use them to dip pop when eating out. We have been > doing that for our daughter and it is surprising the # of times you get > regular pop instead of diet. We once had a waiter try to argue with us > that > it was diet but as soon as I told him that I tested it & I showed him the > strips he shut up & exchanged the regular pop for diet pop. > I get that a lot with my daughter too.  For some reason, they think kids > shouldn’t be drinking diet soda.  I don’t know how often the actually bring > her regular soda because in some places where we dine, they put the kid’s > drink in a paper or plastic cup that you can’t see through.  I can always > spot the regular stuff by the way it looks too.  But often they question > whether they heard me right when I say "diet".

Julie that is very smart of you.   Knowing the genetic component of diabetes, it is smart to get your daughter drinking diet soda now.   I keep telling that to my kids, since not only me, but both my siblings have it. Has to be a very strong genetic component in my family. My complaint was with restaurants sneaking me regular caffeinated coffee instead of decaf.   For some odd reason I am nearly "allergic" to coffee with caffeine and it just makes me all shaky and nervous followed by a sort of a "crash" in energy leaving me feeling exhausted.    Forget sleeping that night if I drink it anytime in the afternoon. — Evelyn "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst into laughter."    -Longchenpa

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> How about brown rice?  Is that any better for you?

From a nutritional standpoint, yes.  For my BG, no.  YMMV. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> How about brown rice?  Is that any better for you? > No, but Basmati rice is.

Maybe so, but I was unable to find any here.  The recipe I used called for that, but it was nowhere to be found. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> My wife can detect a regular Coke or Pesi with one sip.  I can’t. > Whenever she suspects that the idiot behind the Mickey Dees counter gave > her a regular soda, she uses the Ultra meter to verify.  If it’s got > sugar in it it will read "high".  Try it some time

I can tell too, but it’s easier with Diet Coke. Also, I find that the regular soda leaves a sticky feeling on your teeth. The other good trick is to shake it up or blow a few bubbles in it with a straw: the diet stuff tends to keep the foam on top longer.

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thanks for the tip about the foam.  I’ll try to remember that next time I’m in doubt (about the soda, that is–I’m always "in doubt" ) dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife can detect a regular Coke or Pesi with one sip.  I can’t. > Whenever she suspects that the idiot behind the Mickey Dees counter > gave her a regular soda, she uses the Ultra meter to verify.  If it’s > got sugar in it it will read "high".  Try it some time > I can tell too, but it’s easier with Diet Coke. Also, I find that the > regular soda leaves a sticky feeling on your teeth. The other good trick > is to shake it up or blow a few bubbles in it with a straw: the diet > stuff tends to keep the foam on top longer.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the > beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but > I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this > meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it > was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this > time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks. > How do you know it was regular soda?  And if you honestly can’t tell, then > get some Glucostixs and test.  I got some at drugstore.com, but haven’t had > to use them yet.  I can tell instantly if a soda is regular.  I’ve been > drinking diet soda for over 30 years not and can’t stand the regular stuff. > It’s so sweet and syrupy I instantly want to spit it out.  Any time I get a > drink that tastes funny, I send it back. > As for your meal, no WAY could I eat that.  I did have a bit of rice > tonight, but it was in Avgolemeno soup.  That’s a Greek chicken and rice > soup.  Only 1/2 cup of dried rice went into the pot and it was divided up 6 > ways.  Had that with some salad and a small amount of hummus and pita bread. > I can only eat a very small amount of rice or I have a problem.  Rice used > to be a favorite food too. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

How about brown rice?  Is that any better for you?

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> How about brown rice?  Is that any better for you?

No, but Basmati rice is. — Steve Brassett Type 2 DX May 2003 – Pills, diet & exercise

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You might want to try using Diastix.  It’s a dipstick meant to test sugar in urine, but you can use them in soda.  You can buy them at most pharmacies in packages of 50 or 100 and the cost is about .10 per strip.  I can’t tell the difference and I swear by these.  More than a few times I’ve been served regular soda and I never would have known the difference if I hadn’t tested. — Best wishes Louise Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

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My wife can detect a regular Coke or Pesi with one sip.  I can’t. Whenever she suspects that the idiot behind the Mickey Dees counter gave her a regular soda, she uses the Ultra meter to verify.  If it’s got sugar in it it will read "high".  Try it some time dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

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and sometimes it’s the fault of the person(s) hooking up the equipment to the self service soda machines.  Once at our local In & Out we got a regular soda from the Diet tap.  We told the management and I presume they took care of it… Glad my wife was with me, as I can’t really tell that much difference, but then again I almost never drink Pesi or Coke. dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Buy some Chemstrips and use them to dip pop when eating out. We have been > doing that for our daughter and it is surprising the # of times you get > regular pop instead of diet. We once had a waiter try to argue with us that > it was diet but as soon as I told him that I tested it & I showed him the > strips he shut up & exchanged the regular pop for diet pop. > Heather > http://www.execulink.com/~craig/diabetictag.html > http://www.execulink.com/~craig/pouches.htm >Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the > beauty >that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled >chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but > I >figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this > meal >a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it > was >a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this > time >knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. >Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another >ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that >now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used >to the taste. >That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can >myself. No more fountain drinks.

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> Buy some Chemstrips and use them to dip pop when eating out. We have been > doing that for our daughter and it is surprising the # of times you get > regular pop instead of diet. We once had a waiter try to argue with us that > it was diet but as soon as I told him that I tested it & I showed him the > strips he shut up & exchanged the regular pop for diet pop.

I get that a lot with my daughter too.  For some reason, they think kids shouldn’t be drinking diet soda.  I don’t know how often the actually bring her regular soda because in some places where we dine, they put the kid’s drink in a paper or plastic cup that you can’t see through.  I can always spot the regular stuff by the way it looks too.  But often they question whether they heard me right when I say "diet". — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

How do you know it was regular soda?  And if you honestly can’t tell, then get some Glucostixs and test.  I got some at drugstore.com, but haven’t had to use them yet.  I can tell instantly if a soda is regular.  I’ve been drinking diet soda for over 30 years not and can’t stand the regular stuff. It’s so sweet and syrupy I instantly want to spit it out.  Any time I get a drink that tastes funny, I send it back. As for your meal, no WAY could I eat that.  I did have a bit of rice tonight, but it was in Avgolemeno soup.  That’s a Greek chicken and rice soup.  Only 1/2 cup of dried rice went into the pot and it was divided up 6 ways.  Had that with some salad and a small amount of hummus and pita bread. I can only eat a very small amount of rice or I have a problem.  Rice used to be a favorite food too. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the beauty that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but I figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this meal a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it was a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this time knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used to the taste. That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can myself. No more fountain drinks.

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Buy some Chemstrips and use them to dip pop when eating out. We have been doing that for our daughter and it is surprising the # of times you get regular pop instead of diet. We once had a waiter try to argue with us that it was diet but as soon as I told him that I tested it & I showed him the strips he shut up & exchanged the regular pop for diet pop. Heather http://www.execulink.com/~craig/diabetictag.html http://www.execulink.com/~craig/pouches.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Being on vacation, I decided to go to the movies today and enjoy the beauty > that is Salma Hayek. After the movies, I decided to go have some grilled > chicken with some rice and french fries. Not the most carbo-free food, but I > figured I could sin a little. I also figured that since I have had this meal > a few weeks ago and the meal did not take my 1 hour reading over 145, it was > a pretty safe bet. I even took a couple of extra mouthfuls of rice this time > knowing that even if it came out to 150-160 I would still be ok. > Imagine my surprise when my one-hour reading comes up at 195, then another > ten minutes later it is 245. It had to be a regular coke. Problem is that > now diet pepsi and diet coke actually taste good to me since I am now used > to the taste. > That is it, it will be water for me from now on unless I can see the can > myself. No more fountain drinks.

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Hi, all, I’ve been lurking for a while and wanted to introduce myself.  I followed Priscilla over from another ng, and I’m very impressed with the quality of the information and the civility of the posts.  Spammers excluded, of course. I’m a math grad student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and I’m spouse-free and child-free at 51.  That is, child-free if you don’t count two furkids.  I was diagnosed in the summer of 2003 and have been in denial ever since.  Then about four months ago I got a cut that just wouldn’t heal.  It finally made me face the music, and I went to see a doctor about 6 weeks ago. She put me on metformin 500mg/2xday, and enalapril, 5 mg/day. At first I was just trying to ‘eat right’ and failing miserably.  Then about 2 weeks ago I got a meter, and decided to get serious about low- carbing.   In those two weeks my bg went from 252 to this morning’s 112.  I was so happy!  I ate very well all day, and before 7 pm, I’d had 71% fat, 24% protein, and 4% carbs.  (I use fitday.com.) At about 7, I pigged out and ate a quart of Edy’s pistachio.  I tested 2 hours later, and the bg was back up to 252.  ARGH!  And I feel so awful, bloated and stupid.   I know I have to forgive myself, but for the moment I’m letting myself feel awful.  I want to remember this the next time I’m tempted.   For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling!  I have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning.  In two weeks.  I could really learn to live this way.   Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here?  (Always a possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in the house, and now I’m listening. I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or does the pain just stop? I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be better to take the second pill at or after the last meal?   When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I know it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes.  Are there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses?   I’m sure I’ll think of other questions as time goes by; I’m a great one for asking questions.   Thanks for listening (reading?) and for being here.  When I read the day’s posts, it puts me into the mindset to look after myself.   Chakolate

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> That is, child-free if you don’t count > two furkids.  I was diagnosed in the summer of 2003 and have been in > denial ever since.  Then about four months ago I

Sorry, that should have been summer of 2000. Chakolate

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> In those two weeks my bg went from 252 to this morning’s 112.  I was so > happy!  I ate very well all day, and before 7 pm, I’d had 71% fat, 24% > protein, and 4% carbs.  (I use fitday.com.)

That reminds me.  I find fitday.com to be rather clumsy to use.  I’ve downloaded the USDA database onto my computer, and it gives the values of everything, with a very easy to use interface.  Now what I need is a way to combine the USDA database with software that will let me enter what I’ve eaten and tot up the scores.   Does anybody know where I can get such?  If it’s a really, really good program and easy to use, I’d even be willing to fork over some dough.   (Grad students are notoriously and persistently broke.) Thanks! Chakolate

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Chakolate – I use Kathleen’s Diet Planner to plan my meals and keep all my records. It includes the entire USDA and CNF (USDA Canadian equivalent) databases . It includes sections to plot progress, plan and set goals. Also has sections for meds, BGs and exercise. Includes extensive graphing capability to easily display your progress. I wouldn’t be without it, keep a copy on home computer and notebook computer. They have a web site, and I think a downloadable demo. Andrea2 message – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That reminds me.  I find fitday.com to be rather clumsy to use.  I’ve > downloaded the USDA database onto my computer, and it gives the values of > everything, with a very easy to use interface.  Now what I need is a way to > combine the USDA database with software that will let me enter what I’ve > eaten and tot up the scores. > Does anybody know where I can get such?  If it’s a really, really good > program and easy to use, I’d even be willing to fork over some dough. > (Grad students are notoriously and persistently broke.) > Thanks! > Chakolate

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> I’ve been lurking for a while and wanted to introduce myself.  I followed > Priscilla over from another ng, and I’m very impressed with the quality of > the information and the civility of the posts.

Welcome, Chak!  Lovely to see you here. OK, everybody!  She needs responses and feedback! Priscilla — The Episcopal Church welcomes you… and you… and you….

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> Welcome, Chak!  Lovely to see you here.

Thanks! > OK, everybody!  She needs responses and feedback!

Oooh, you’re bossy over here.  I like that.  :-) Chakolate

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Welcome, sorry you have to be here, but I’m looking forward to your posts. I don’t eat ice cream often but when I do it’s Breyer’s regular ice cream. 1/2 cup is about the same carbs as in no sugar added ice cream, and not all the rest of the junk. I have neuropathy in my feet and as long as I keep my BG in control, they’re much better, but when the BG goes high the pain returns quickly. Excercise is wonderful for getting a spike down. A brisk walk for a few blocks works great. Good luck. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, all, >I’ve been lurking for a while and wanted to introduce myself.  I followed >Priscilla over from another ng, and I’m very impressed with the quality of >the information and the civility of the posts.  Spammers excluded, of >course. >I’m a math grad student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and I’m >spouse-free and child-free at 51.  That is, child-free if you don’t count >two furkids.  I was diagnosed in the summer of 2003 and have been in denial >ever since.  Then about four months ago I got a cut that just wouldn’t >heal.  It finally made me face the music, and I went to see a doctor about >6 weeks ago. >She put me on metformin 500mg/2xday, and enalapril, 5 mg/day. >At first I was just trying to ‘eat right’ and failing miserably.  Then >about 2 weeks ago I got a meter, and decided to get serious about low- >carbing. >In those two weeks my bg went from 252 to this morning’s 112.  I was so >happy!  I ate very well all day, and before 7 pm, I’d had 71% fat, 24% >protein, and 4% carbs.  (I use fitday.com.) >At about 7, I pigged out and ate a quart of Edy’s pistachio.  I tested 2 >hours later, and the bg was back up to 252.  ARGH!  And I feel so awful, >bloated and stupid. >I know I have to forgive myself, but for the moment I’m letting myself feel >awful.  I want to remember this the next time I’m tempted. >For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and >I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling! I >have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so >rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning.  In two >weeks.  I could really learn to live this way. >Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. >I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just >as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar >alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if >it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here? (Always a >possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in >the house, and now I’m listening. >I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by >neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or >does the pain just stop? >I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be >better to take the second pill at or after the last meal? >When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I know >it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes. Are >there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses? >I’m sure I’ll think of other questions as time goes by; I’m a great one for >asking questions. >Thanks for listening (reading?) and for being here.  When I read the day’s >posts, it puts me into the mindset to look after myself. >Chakolate

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> Welcome, sorry you have to be here, but I’m looking forward to your > posts. I don’t eat ice cream often but when I do it’s Breyer’s regular > ice cream. 1/2 cup is about the same carbs as in no sugar added ice > cream, and not all the rest of the junk. I have neuropathy in my feet > and as long as I keep my BG in control, they’re much better, but when > the BG goes high the pain returns quickly. Excercise is wonderful for > getting a spike down. A brisk walk for a few blocks works great. Good > luck.

By the time I thought of exercise, it was pretty much too late – I don’t like to walk here after dark.  It’s a good idea, though, and I’ll keep it in mind if (when!) I do it again. Thanks! Chak

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> Chakolate – I use Kathleen’s Diet Planner to plan my meals > and keep all my records.

Andrea, it looks like an excellent program.  But when I said I might be willing to cough up some dough, I was thinking around $10-$20, not CAD $127, USD $93.  Wow.  I’m sure it would be worth it if I had a job; maybe someday.   Thanks for the suggestion, though. Chakolate

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<snip> > For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and > I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling!  I > have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so > rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning.  In two > weeks.  I could really learn to live this way.

Just curious, but what do you eat to get all that fat?  I don’t do low carb, but prior to diabetes, I was on a diet that was almost no fat.  I’ve found that I actually have to find ways to incorporate fat into some of my meals. > Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. > I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just > as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar > alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if > it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here?  (Always a > possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in > the house, and now I’m listening.

I don’t like ice cream, so it’s not a problem for me.  And you are correct that the sugar free stuff is no better for us.  And those sugar alcohols can have a laxative effect.  And while they claim that they are metabolized more slowly, that isn’t always the case. > I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by > neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or > does the pain just stop?

I have pain if my BG goes much beyond 150.  If I keep it in range, usually no pain at all.  Have you tried Evening Primrose Oil?  I take 2,000 mg each morning and night.  Cheapest source is at Costco.  You can buy online if you’re not a member. > I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be > better to take the second pill at or after the last meal?

At.  Taking it after eating could cause stomach distress.  Keep in mind that Metformin is not fast acting.  The pill you take today will help your BG somewhere down the road, but not immediately after.  The stomach problems can be almost immediate though. > When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I know > it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes.  Are > there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses?

You can’t undo damage like that by popping an extra pill.  Doing that could cause a hypo some time later on when you least expect it.  The best thing to do when your BG is too high is to drink plenty of water, hot tea or hot broth and exercise like a fiend. <snip> — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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>Hi, all, >I know I have to forgive myself, but for the moment I’m letting myself feel >awful.  I want to remember this the next time I’m tempted.  

you’ll make more mistakes in the future, we all do, it’s called being human. >For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and >I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling!  I >have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so >rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning.  In two >weeks.  I could really learn to live this way.  

you’ll find it easier to control your diabetes as you get closer to your ideal weight.  you definitely deserve a high five for what you have accomplished so far. >Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. >I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just >as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar >alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if >it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here?  (Always a >possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in >the house, and now I’m listening.

here’s the thing about sugar alcohols, they have a laxative effect. The more you consume the more you… well you get the idea.  They force you to practice tight portion control.  I and many others have found that simply practicing portion control and counting the carbs eaten in the ice cream, as part of the total daily carb amount works far better.  This means we eat the regular stuff.  So if we normally eat 25 grams of carbs for lunch and want ice cream and eat 15 grams worth we can have 10 grams of carbs from another source.  or we take a little extra insulin(not an option for you) and or we exercise "after" the meal/snack.  Exercise will burn off that excess BG. >I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by >neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or >does the pain just stop?

Yes it is possible.  But it depends on how far along the nerve damage is and how well you control your BGs.  So no-one not even your doctor can make promises.  However, tight BG control is THE BEST way to handle the problem.  After you get consistent control of your BGs and you still have problems with the pain you may want to try evening prim rose oil, up to 2000 mg a day split in two doses.  It is actually one of the few natural cures that works for many people, not all, but many.  Just be very skeptical of supplement and herbal scammers.  Most sellers lie about those items. >I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be >better to take the second pill at or after the last meal?   >When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I know >it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes.  Are >there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses?  

no, metformin doesn’t work that way.  try exercising after meals and snacks as a rule.  then doing extra when you eat like you did in this example. >I’m sure I’ll think of other questions as time goes by; I’m a great one for >asking questions.   >Thanks for listening (reading?) and for being here.  When I read the day’s >posts, it puts me into the mindset to look after myself.   >Chakolate

Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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>Now what I need is a way to >combine the USDA database with software that will let me enter what I’ve >eaten and tot up the scores.  

Hi Chakolate, I’m a lurker/newly diagnosed Type 2. I’ve been keeping track of what I eat by using an Excel spreedsheet. I don’t know how it compares to FitDay but the price is right For input to the spreedsheet I use the USDA database that I downloaded, as well as the database at www.calorieking.com which is very easy to use. I find the information on that site very useful too. They ask you to join but I haven’t done that yet – I just browse the nonmember areas. Have a good one, Gwynne

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Salutations Chakolate! Welcome to group no one wants to be in, or something like that . Sounds like you’ve got a plan, good for you. It also sounds like you’ve got some good attitude also, double good. I used to use FitDay, but I found it clunky also. Now I use a medium sized composition book and Corrine Netezers food guide. Yes! Paper! I find that its more gratifying to flip back through my progress. Warm fuzzies and all that. What kind of Furkids? I hope cats, we need more cat-people. By the way, that a very tasty name you got there. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, all, > I’ve been lurking for a while and wanted to introduce myself.  I followed > Priscilla over from another ng, and I’m very impressed with the quality of > the information and the civility of the posts.  Spammers excluded, of > course. > I’m a math grad student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and I’m > spouse-free and child-free at 51.  That is, child-free if you don’t count > two furkids.  I was diagnosed in the summer of 2003 and have been in denial > ever since.  Then about four months ago I got a cut that just wouldn’t > heal.  It finally made me face the music, and I went to see a doctor about > 6 weeks ago. > She put me on metformin 500mg/2xday, and enalapril, 5 mg/day. > At first I was just trying to ‘eat right’ and failing miserably.  Then > about 2 weeks ago I got a meter, and decided to get serious about low- > carbing. > In those two weeks my bg went from 252 to this morning’s 112.  I was so > happy!  I ate very well all day, and before 7 pm, I’d had 71% fat, 24% > protein, and 4% carbs.  (I use fitday.com.) > At about 7, I pigged out and ate a quart of Edy’s pistachio.  I tested 2 > hours later, and the bg was back up to 252.  ARGH!  And I feel so awful, > bloated and stupid. > I know I have to forgive myself, but for the moment I’m letting myself feel > awful.  I want to remember this the next time I’m tempted. > For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and > I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling!  I > have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so > rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning.  In two > weeks.  I could really learn to live this way. > Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. > I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just > as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar > alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if > it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here?  (Always a > possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in > the house, and now I’m listening. > I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by > neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or > does the pain just stop? > I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be > better to take the second pill at or after the last meal? > When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I know > it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes.  Are > there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses? > I’m sure I’ll think of other questions as time goes by; I’m a great one for > asking questions. > Thanks for listening (reading?) and for being here.  When I read the day’s > posts, it puts me into the mindset to look after myself. > Chakolate

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Welcome, welcome, welcome.  By your post I can tell you’re already learning the ups and downs of food choices.  (Pun intended.)  Keep at it.  It becomes easier.  You’ve already received a lot of good answers so I’m just saying "Hi." HELLO!!!! — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, all, > I’ve been lurking for a while and wanted to introduce myself.  I followed > Priscilla over from another ng, and I’m very impressed with the quality of > the information and the civility of the posts.  Spammers excluded, of > course. > I’m a math grad student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and I’m > spouse-free and child-free at 51.  That is, child-free if you don’t count > two furkids.  I was diagnosed in the summer of 2003 and have been in denial > ever since.  Then about four months ago I got a cut that just wouldn’t > heal.  It finally made me face the music, and I went to see a doctor about > 6 weeks ago. > She put me on metformin 500mg/2xday, and enalapril, 5 mg/day. > At first I was just trying to ‘eat right’ and failing miserably.  Then > about 2 weeks ago I got a meter, and decided to get serious about low- > carbing. > In those two weeks my bg went from 252 to this morning’s 112.  I was so > happy!  I ate very well all day, and before 7 pm, I’d had 71% fat, 24% > protein, and 4% carbs.  (I use fitday.com.) > At about 7, I pigged out and ate a quart of Edy’s pistachio.  I tested 2 > hours later, and the bg was back up to 252.  ARGH!  And I feel so awful, > bloated and stupid. > I know I have to forgive myself, but for the moment I’m letting myself feel > awful.  I want to remember this the next time I’m tempted. > For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and > I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling!  I > have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so > rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning.  In two > weeks.  I could really learn to live this way. > Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. > I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just > as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar > alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if > it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here?  (Always a > possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in > the house, and now I’m listening. > I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by > neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or > does the pain just stop? > I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be > better to take the second pill at or after the last meal? > When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I know > it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes.  Are > there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses? > I’m sure I’ll think of other questions as time goes by; I’m a great one for > asking questions. > Thanks for listening (reading?) and for being here.  When I read the day’s > posts, it puts me into the mindset to look after myself. > Chakolate

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> Hi, all, > I’ve been lurking for a while and wanted to introduce myself.  I followed > Priscilla over from another ng, and I’m very impressed with the quality of > the information and the civility of the posts.  Spammers excluded, of > course.

Welcome to the group, Chak, > I’m a math grad student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and I’m > spouse-free and child-free at 51.  That is, child-free if you don’t count > two furkids.  I was diagnosed in the summer of 2003 and have been in denial > ever since.  Then about four months ago I got a cut that just wouldn’t > heal.  It finally made me face the music, and I went to see a doctor about > 6 weeks ago.

We call this the group that no one wants to join.  Denial is one way of not joining, but as you have found, nature doesn’t care. You end up with the consequences whether you acknowledge the diabetes or not. So it has been nearly 3 yrs since the initial dx eh?  That’s a long time to wait while the high bg (hyperglycemia)  keeps on  damaging your system in very nasty ways.  It’s so sneaky –  there’s nothing obviously wrong for ages, while the damage is accumulating bit by bit. So in a way,  that slow healing wound has been a blessing.  A BIG wake-up call.  So, I really mean it when I say I’m glad to see you here.  I may sound a bit tough, but  you have found a group where we all try to help one another gain good bg control, and perhaps prevent or ameliorate those complications. We’re on YOUR side. > She put me on metformin 500mg/2xday, and enalapril, 5 mg/day. > At first I was just trying to ‘eat right’ and failing miserably. Then > about 2 weeks ago I got a meter, and decided to get serious about low- > carbing.

There are 3 main strategies for managing diabetes. 1. Medication – oral meds or insulin.  That’s your doctor’s field. Still, it doesn’t hurt to learn all you can about them, and how they work. 2. Diet – more what you eat, and how much, than  just a weight loss diet that you may have been more familiar with in the past.  I can see you are already investigating, and experimenting with what works for you. Have you  read Jennifer’s Advice yet?  If not, she may post it here, or you can look at our  web site to read it.  Priscilla may already have a copy she can send you, as well. It’s simple but just about the best intro to a new Way Of Eating (WOE),  that you’ll ever come across. 3. Exercise – all exercise is good! There are two kinds, the aerobic kind (walking, jogging, swimming etc) and anearobic (body building or resistance exercises). Both kinds are good for using up glucose in the blood, and increasing muscle mass.  And muscles use glucose, so the more the better.  Think about doing a bit of both. > In those two weeks my bg went from 252 to this morning’s 112.  I was so > happy!  I ate very well all day, and before 7 pm, I’d had 71% fat, 24% > protein, and 4% carbs.  (I use fitday.com.) > At about 7, I pigged out and ate a quart of Edy’s pistachio.  I tested 2 > hours later, and the bg was back up to 252.  ARGH!  And I feel so awful, > bloated and stupid.

Heh heh, we’ve all done it.  Horrible isn’t it? > I know I have to forgive myself, but for the moment I’m letting myself feel > awful.  I want to remember this the next time I’m tempted.

I know exactly what you mean.  The ONE  time I tried that, I felt horrible for nearly a week, till I got the bg’s down again.  After 2 yrs, I still remember how awful I felt, physically.  So don’t feel guilty, just remember how crook you felt.  That’s the best kind of repentance.  It kills temptation stone dead! > For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the time, and > I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is so filling!  I > have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall has been so > rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this morning. In two > weeks.  I could really learn to live this way.

You don’t say what kind of fats.  Most of us keep saturated fats to a minimum, and replace them with mono-saturated or poly-unsaturated oils.  Diabetics usually have trouble with high cholesterol, so this is not a bad time to think about it.  Also, keep in mind that fats are high in calories. So keep an eye on your weight,  till you get the balance right. > Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. > I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had just > as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs labeled ’sugar > alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why bother with that if > it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing something here? (Always a > possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice cream in > the house, and now I’m listening.

There are some nice icecream substitutes that you may be able to eat instead.  My favourite is home made cheesecake (no carbs), that is delicious frozen as well as  just cool.  I still do portion control, but it makes a nice dessert. Others here may have some other dessert suggestions for you to try.  I notice some suggest just having a small amount of the "real stuff", for instance.  The thing is, there *are*  other ways to skin this particular cat. > I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused by > neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that true?  Or > does the pain just stop?

No one is quite sure.  Certainly many here have testified that keeping your bg as close to non-diabetic numbers as you can will help reduce the pain, and it is possible that some of the actual damage may heal. Especially as you upgrade your nutritional input. But not always. Sorry I can’t offer you more than that.  Still, then again, it will probably not get worse,  if you maintain good control in the future. > I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be > better to take the second pill at or after the last meal?

I don’t take metformin, so can’t comment on the best time to take it. Follow either your doctor’s or pharmacist’s advise on this. It does lessen the actual uptake of some of the carbs you ate, and also works in the liver to lessen the release of glucose by that organ, and lowers insulin resistance.  It can take some time (around 3 weeks, roughly), before the benefits really become noticable – but it’s not much help for a "quick fix". Because metformin may cause some initial gastric distress, your doctor has started you on a fairly low dosage.  If you attain good bg control, you may not need more than that, but if not,  he/she may increase the dosage after a while. > When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one? I know > it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the spikes.  Are > there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses?

Nope, it won’t help much. An injection of insulin would work, but that’s not an option for you at this time  (or perhaps ever). Exercise after the meal helps by using up some of that excess glucose. Some meds like Starlix, or one of the sulphonylureas, would work too, by stimulating the pancreas to release more insulin. Still, it’s better to avoid taking even more oral meds unless your doctor thinks you need them.  I have found some aspirin will help a bit too, but I wouldn’t advise doing that as a regular thing, either. It’s still a med. > I’m sure I’ll think of other questions as time goes by; I’m a great one for > asking questions.

Great!!!! Go for it. > Thanks for listening (reading?) and for being here.  When I read the day’s > posts, it puts me into the mindset to look after myself.

And that’s one good reason to be here. Don’t forget we can offer emotional support as well, when the whole thing just gets you down. We’re here for you, and understand. See you next time. Annette T2 for over 28 yrs, almost 64 yo. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Welcome Chokalate,  The one difference in the sugar not added is that it is less calories and the sugar alcohols are deducted from the total carbs.  Unfortunately they have an adverse affect on me,  I would rather do two ounces of the real stuff than four ounces of the sugar free things. That works for me. As to your diet,  I feel that by being carb deprvied it sets you up for a binge,  It is hard to live that way for life,  As to the fat nd protein, a pound of steak alone is 1600 calories so I dont understand how you find it hard to do 1200 calories,  fat and protein are high caloric. We all do different things,  If you find that this low carb works for you, that is fine,  I personally dont care for such a low carb.  I have about 100 carbs a day,  Others have half that and others have up to 160   Whatever works for you is what you should do.  I just personally dont think all that fat nd protein is that healthy and I wouldnt do it to that extreme. I am glad you have found us,  We have diverse opinions, but then tht gives a different point of view on things. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>We all do different things,  If you find that this low carb works for >you, that is fine,  I personally dont care for such a low carb.  I have >about 100 carbs a day,  Others have half that and others have up to 160 >  Whatever works for you is what you should do.  I just personally dont >think all that fat nd protein is that healthy and I wouldnt do it to >that extreme.

And so much of this comes down to definitions.  I would describe 100g of carbs a day as being a low carb diet, especially compared with the food pyramid and its jillions of grain servings a day.  For me, a low/lower carb diet is working well and it sounds like it’s the same for you. — Lord, make me an instrument of your peace; Where there is hatred, let me sow love. remove "spamtrap" for e-mail

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > For the most part, low-carbing has been great.  I’m full all the > time, and I really have to work at it to get 1200 calories.  Fat is > so filling!  I have lots of energy, and seeing those bg numbers fall > has been so rewarding.  Oh, and I went from 242 pounds to 232 this > morning.  In two weeks.  I could really learn to live this way. > Just curious, but what do you eat to get all that fat?  I don’t do low > carb, but prior to diabetes, I was on a diet that was almost no fat. > I’ve found that I actually have to find ways to incorporate fat into > some of my meals.

Yes, I did too.  I lurked around low-carb sites and ng and started thinking about it, and discovered that what I should be doing is looking at all the stuff I used to think was unhealthy.  Eggs, cheese, meat, sausages (microwaved), peanut butter, olives.  Just not the usual junk food, chips and fries and such.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay, that’s the intro, now I have some questions, if I may. > I looked at Edy’s ‘no sugar added’ ice cream in the store, and it had > just as many carbs as the regular.  I’m assuming that the carbs > labeled ’sugar alcohol’ are metabolized more slowly, but jeepers, why > bother with that if it’s got the same number of carbs?  Am I missing > something here?  (Always > a > possibility.)  Years ago my nutritionist told me not to keep ice > cream in the house, and now I’m listening. > I don’t like ice cream, so it’s not a problem for me.  And you are > correct that the sugar free stuff is no better for us.  And those > sugar alcohols can have a laxative effect.  And while they claim that > they are metabolized more slowly, that isn’t always the case. > I’ve heard that it’s possible to reverse the loss of sensation caused > by neuropathy, if you keep your bg under tight control.  Is that > true?  Or does the pain just stop? > I have pain if my BG goes much beyond 150.  If I keep it in range, > usually no pain at all.  Have you tried Evening Primrose Oil?  I take > 2,000 mg each morning and night.  Cheapest source is at Costco.  You > can buy online if you’re not a member.

I think I had an episode of neuropathy a few months ago.  I had a sharp pain that felt something like a needle being stuck into the top of my toes.   It was intermittent and very regular.   I asked about it because I think I’ve probably also lost some sensation in my feet, and I was hoping it might come back with tight control.   > I’ve been taking the metformin on arising and before bed; would it be > better to take the second pill at or after the last meal? > At.  Taking it after eating could cause stomach distress.  Keep in > mind that Metformin is not fast acting.  The pill you take today will > help your BG somewhere down the road, but not immediately after.  The > stomach problems can be almost immediate though.

I didn’t know that.  I thought it worked relatively quickly and wore off the same way.  A few days ago I took my pill when I thought I was going to bed, and ended up staying up another couple of hours.  When I tested right before bed, it was the lowest it had ever been, a full 10 points below morning readings.  I assumed it was because I had taken the metformin within the last two hours.   > When I do something stupid like I did tonight, should I take one?  I > know it’s not the way I should be doing it, but I worry about the > spikes.  Are there other ways to lower spikes, after such lapses? > You can’t undo damage like that by popping an extra pill.  Doing that > could cause a hypo some time later on when you least expect it.  The > best thing to do when your BG is too high is to drink plenty of water, > hot tea or hot broth and exercise like a fiend.

I figured it really wouldn’t work to take an extra pill, that’s too easy.   And one thing I’ve learned diabetes is not, is easy.  From now on, I’ll do the drink fluids and "exercise like a fiend" thing.  (Love the expression!) > <snip>

Thanks for all the info. Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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> no, metformin doesn’t work that way.  try exercising after meals and > snacks as a rule.  then doing extra when you eat like you did in this > example.

Thanks for all, I’ll try everything. Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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>>Now what I need is a way to >combine the USDA database with software that will let me enter what >I’ve eaten and tot up the scores.   > Hi Chakolate, > I’m a lurker/newly diagnosed Type 2. I’ve been keeping track of what I > eat by using an Excel spreedsheet. I don’t know how it compares to > FitDay but the price is right

Hmmm, a spreadsheet.  I use the OpenOffice.org spreadsheet, and I like it just fine.   > For input to the spreedsheet I use the USDA database that I > downloaded,

Do you copy and paste, or is there some way to just enter the food and have the program get the input?  (I know, that’d be too easy.) > as well as the database at www.calorieking.com which is > very easy to use. I find the information on that site very useful too. > They ask you to join but I haven’t done that yet – I just browse the > nonmember areas.

I recently found nutritiondata.com, which has even more foods listed than the USDA databank. It sounds similar, no registration requested.  I’ll check out calorieking, too.   Did you know that you can download the USDA database onto your own computer?  Then you don’t have to be online to be able to use it, and it’s quite a lot faster if you only have dial-up.   Thanks for the idea of a spreadsheet.   Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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> Salutations Chakolate! > Welcome to group no one wants to be in, or something like that . > Sounds like you’ve got a plan, good for you. It also sounds like > you’ve got some good attitude also, double good.

When I went to my doctor 6 weeks ago, I told her I wanted to go back on my antidepressant so that I’d be up enough to work on the diabetes.  It worked! > I used to use FitDay, but I found it clunky also. Now I use a medium > sized composition book and Corrine Netezers food guide. > Yes! > Paper!

Ah, the low-tech method.  How quaint!  :-) > I find that its more gratifying to flip back through my progress. Warm > fuzzies and all that. > What kind of Furkids? I hope cats, we need more cat-people.

Of course cats!  Doc and Pi.  ’Doc’ because he’s a biter, always trying to innoculate me with his teeth; and ‘Pi’ because he’s colored in black-and- white patches, like a piebald horse or the pied piper.  It doesn’t hurt that mathematicians call Pi (the number) ‘transcendentally irrational’, which describes all cats to a T.  :-) > By the way, that a very tasty name you got there.

Why, thankee, ma’am.  I considered changing it because I didn’t want people to get hungry (for the wrong thing) every time they saw a post from me.   Then I saw a couple of posts saying that very dark chocolate in small amounts doesn’t spike you.  I’m going to try that someday, when I’ve got the control part down.  (Does anybody ever get the control part ‘down’?) ‘Chakolate’ is a portmanteau word, from chocolate and Chakotay, a star trek voyager character.  As a friend said, chocolate and star trek; add in sex, and you have all that matters.  :-) Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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> Welcome, welcome, welcome.  By your post I can tell you’re already > learning the ups and downs of food choices.  (Pun intended.)  Keep at > it.  It becomes easier.  You’ve already received a lot of good answers > so I’m just saying "Hi." > HELLO!!!!

Thanks for the welcome! Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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>> no, metformin doesn’t work that way.  try exercising after meals and > snacks as a rule.  

[snip] >Thanks for all, I’ll try everything. >Chakolate

I have found that with Metformin it’s important to use the muscles. Heavy work does it but also light repetitious activity. For example heavy – general gardening Light and rep – painting. Walking does well also but I have gotten fed up of either walking the same damn places or going somewhere to come back for no reason other than the exercise. So Ido chores instead. Less boring and I don’t think of it as a necessity. HTH Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to 170 lbs 02/08/03 target 161.

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194908.news.uni-berlin.de: > Welcome to the group, Chak,

Thanks! > We call this the group that no one wants to join.  Denial is one way > of not joining, but as you have found, nature doesn’t care. You end > up with the consequences whether you acknowledge the diabetes or > not. > So it has been nearly 3 yrs since the initial dx eh?  That’s a long > time to wait while the high bg (hyperglycemia)  keeps on  damaging > your system in very nasty ways.  It’s so sneaky –  there’s nothing > obviously wrong for ages, while the damage is accumulating bit by > bit.

Actually, I probably had pretty low numbers during that time, because I was experiencing a gastic problem wherein I upchucked pretty much everything I ate after 2 or 3 in the afternoon, and I’m *not* a morning person.  Not being able to keep down what you eat is one way to keep carbs low.   That problem is resolved now, though, so I need to really work on controlling what I eat. > So in a way,  that slow healing wound has been a blessing.  A BIG > wake-up call.  So, I really mean it when I say I’m glad to see you > here.  I may sound a bit tough, but  you have found a group where we > all try to help one another gain good bg control, and perhaps > prevent or ameliorate those complications.

Yes, I agree; in fact, I knew all along that I *should* be doing something, but the part of my brain that was denying everything kept putting it off.   The sore not healing scared me into doing something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are 3 main strategies for managing diabetes. > 1. Medication – oral meds or insulin.  That’s your doctor’s field. > Still, it doesn’t hurt to learn all you can about them, and how they > work. > 2. Diet – more what you eat, and how much, than  just a weight loss > diet that you may have been more familiar with in the past.  I can > see you are already investigating, and experimenting with what works > for you. Have you  read Jennifer’s Advice yet?  If not, she may post > it here, or you can look at our  web site to read it.  Priscilla may > already have a copy she can send you, as well. It’s simple but just > about the best intro to a new Way Of Eating (WOE),  that you’ll ever > come across. > 3. Exercise – all exercise is good! There are two kinds, the aerobic > kind (walking, jogging, swimming etc) and anearobic (body building > or resistance exercises). Both kinds are good for using up glucose > in the blood, and increasing muscle mass.  And muscles use glucose, > so the more the better.  Think about doing a bit of both.

Now that I’ve got a plan for diet, the next move is to work on exercise.   > Heh heh, we’ve all done it.  Horrible isn’t it? > I know exactly what you mean.  The ONE  time I tried that, I felt > horrible for nearly a week, till I got the bg’s down again.  After 2 > yrs, I still remember how awful I felt, physically.  So don’t feel > guilty, just remember how crook you felt.  That’s the best kind of > repentance.  It kills temptation stone dead!

Sure does.  When I was upchucking every day, I’d go for two or even three days without eating at all.  I couldn’t stomach (pardon the expression) the idea of putting something in that was going to come out so unpleasantly.  I didn’t even want chocolate! > You don’t say what kind of fats.  Most of us keep saturated fats to > a minimum, and replace them with mono-saturated or poly-unsaturated > oils.  Diabetics usually have trouble with high cholesterol, so this > is not a bad time to think about it.  Also, keep in mind that fats > are high in calories. So keep an eye on your weight,  till you get > the balance right.

As long as the weight is dropping, I’m probably not going to worry too much about the cholesterol.  Actually, I’ve seen several sites that say low- carbing, contrary to expectation, actually lowers LDL cholesterol and triglicerides.   We’ll see.   > There are some nice icecream substitutes that you may be able to eat > instead.  My favourite is home made cheesecake (no carbs), that is > delicious frozen as well as  just cool.  I still do portion control, > but it makes a nice dessert. Others here may have some other dessert > suggestions for you to try.  I notice some suggest just having a > small amount of the "real stuff", for instance.  The thing is, there > *are*  other ways to skin this particular cat.

Oooh, frozen cheesecake will definitely satisfy my ice cream cravings.  Do you have a good recipe? > And that’s one good reason to be here. Don’t forget we can offer > emotional support as well, when the whole thing just gets you down. > We’re here for you, and understand.

You probably already know it, but that’s tremendously comforting.  Thanks. Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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> I am glad you have found us,  We have diverse opinions, but then tht > gives a different point of view on things.

Thanks!  I’m pretty glad I found you, too.   Chakolate — Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.   –Dr. Seuss

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Guy,   Even after having diabetes for almost 50 years, I am learning everyday about the whys and the wherefores….I have learned a great deal about the Type II and what they must to be in good control; being Type I is no picnic either, and all the good info here is a great help.  So, my dear, keep on, keeping on….Mic Always, be, and stay AWARE!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >It get a bit hard to take when a person comes on with all >of the answers.  I have been at this for over 28 years >and I have few firm answers.  As  far as posting a lot. >I do this to counter some of the crap that is posted >by egomaniac’s.   >I have suffered a lot from misinformation and self appointed >experts.  Generally it seems to me many have a lot >of self serving misinformation. >A few years ago I almost died on the operating table >when I lost a leg due to inadequate information. >I later went through months of hell from heart surgery. >I have suffered through many complications problems. >When these groups operate properly the collective >knowledge from so many is useful..  I can state categorically >I am much better off after my contact with MHD and ASD. >I am not some with slightly high blood sugars dreaming up theories >and shoving them on people here. >If anyone thinks I run this group or enjoy some of the >thing that I deal with here they are basing their judgment >on their own way of thinking. >Most of my post are motivational because there is a need. >I prefer a very technical approach but it does not fit here. >In five seconds I can think of five people that have  died >from diabetes and they all suffered greatly before they died. >That is the issue that belongs here.  How to avoid this. >My wife’s minister is currently going down hill fast due >to not dealing with his diabetes. >There are over 60,000 groups anyone can find to bull shit >or play.  Diabetes is not a joke. >If a person is here to sell or promote a commercial organization, >they are despicable in my opinion.  I have been seeing hundreds of >worthless junk pushed for years.  I have not seen any cure yet. >The groups are open to any poster.  Any other poster can agree >or disagree.  No one owns the group but there is a charter.   It >is for people sick with diabetes needing support.   It should be used >in a civil manner.  With my advice and two bucks you can buy a cup of >coffee in a local store.  May be more in other areas.  Most of us >realize that the groups are to serve all and we put in our two cents. >When the collective opinion disagrees with you, maybe it time for self >examination. >I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit >to me. >                                               Guy

Hi Guy. Yours was one of the first posts I saw when I joined this group last year feeling fairly depressed.  I can’t remember what you said but I do remember that I stopped feeling depressed and decided to do something about it. When I compared my situation with you and others here and on other medical groups I started realising I was not doing badly at all. I can’t even imagine what it would be like to go through the discipline of surviving as a T1 from childhood to the wisdom years. Others may not always agree with you – or me. That’s life and it would be awfully boring if we always agreed on everything. But, you seem to get it right a lot more often than most. Keep it up. We need you. Cheers – Alan

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Thank you so much for your very reasoned message. I’ve been monitoring my BG for less than two weeks, but don’t need the doctor to tell me that I am a full blown diabetic.  She suggested I might be a month or so ago when fasting lab reports showed the possibility.  She’ll probably tell me when I take my testing results in on Wednesday.  She took me off sugar and carbs a couple of months ago. Still working on diet.  I’d love to have a few glazed doughnuts, but now I know better. I subscribed to this NG a week or so ago, and have learned so much with lots left to learn.  BTW, there is one report that there are about 130,000 groups on Usenet.  Many have no activity whatsoever, but there are those like this one that have a huge following.  I’m creating a web page that will have some tips on posting. My Usenet experience goes back to 1995.  It seems that many people are on it just for its entertainment value.  Trolls are everywhere.  Not so many here, and I pray that it stays that way. Thanks to you and all the others who are so helpful. — Regards, Clark in Round Rock Texas USA http://xld.com – Freedom’s Home Page http://xld.com/public/xldata/net.htm – ISP Service God Bless America and her friends!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It get a bit hard to take when a person comes on with all > of the answers.  I have been at this for over 28 years > and I have few firm answers.  As  far as posting a lot. > I do this to counter some of the crap that is posted > by egomaniac’s. > I have suffered a lot from misinformation and self appointed > experts.  Generally it seems to me many have a lot > of self serving misinformation. > A few years ago I almost died on the operating table > when I lost a leg due to inadequate information. > I later went through months of hell from heart surgery. > I have suffered through many complications problems. > When these groups operate properly the collective > knowledge from so many is useful..  I can state categorically > I am much better off after my contact with MHD and ASD. > I am not some with slightly high blood sugars dreaming up theories > and shoving them on people here. > If anyone thinks I run this group or enjoy some of the > thing that I deal with here they are basing their judgment > on their own way of thinking. > Most of my post are motivational because there is a need. > I prefer a very technical approach but it does not fit here. > In five seconds I can think of five people that have  died > from diabetes and they all suffered greatly before they died. > That is the issue that belongs here.  How to avoid this. > My wife’s minister is currently going down hill fast due > to not dealing with his diabetes. > There are over 60,000 groups anyone can find to bull shit > or play.  Diabetes is not a joke. > If a person is here to sell or promote a commercial organization, > they are despicable in my opinion.  I have been seeing hundreds of > worthless junk pushed for years.  I have not seen any cure yet. > The groups are open to any poster.  Any other poster can agree > or disagree.  No one owns the group but there is a charter.   It > is for people sick with diabetes needing support.   It should be used > in a civil manner.  With my advice and two bucks you can buy a cup of > coffee in a local store.  May be more in other areas.  Most of us > realize that the groups are to serve all and we put in our two cents. > When the collective opinion disagrees with you, maybe it time for self > examination. > I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit > to me. >                                                Guy

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It get a bit hard to take when a person comes on with all of the answers.  I have been at this for over 28 years and I have few firm answers.  As  far as posting a lot. I do this to counter some of the crap that is posted by egomaniac’s.   I have suffered a lot from misinformation and self appointed experts.  Generally it seems to me many have a lot of self serving misinformation. A few years ago I almost died on the operating table when I lost a leg due to inadequate information. I later went through months of hell from heart surgery. I have suffered through many complications problems. When these groups operate properly the collective knowledge from so many is useful..  I can state categorically I am much better off after my contact with MHD and ASD. I am not some with slightly high blood sugars dreaming up theories and shoving them on people here. If anyone thinks I run this group or enjoy some of the thing that I deal with here they are basing their judgment on their own way of thinking. Most of my post are motivational because there is a need. I prefer a very technical approach but it does not fit here. In five seconds I can think of five people that have  died from diabetes and they all suffered greatly before they died. That is the issue that belongs here.  How to avoid this. My wife’s minister is currently going down hill fast due to not dealing with his diabetes. There are over 60,000 groups anyone can find to bull shit or play.  Diabetes is not a joke. If a person is here to sell or promote a commercial organization, they are despicable in my opinion.  I have been seeing hundreds of worthless junk pushed for years.  I have not seen any cure yet. The groups are open to any poster.  Any other poster can agree or disagree.  No one owns the group but there is a charter.   It is for people sick with diabetes needing support.   It should be used in a civil manner.  With my advice and two bucks you can buy a cup of coffee in a local store.  May be more in other areas.  Most of us realize that the groups are to serve all and we put in our two cents. When the collective opinion disagrees with you, maybe it time for self examination. I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit to me.                                                Guy

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The ones who care and listen outnumber the vocal minority. You’ve said before how the net is not like a group of real people face to face. It can be turned on and off, or ignored. The "silent majority" is always there waiting, and given the chance, respond. "Trolls" come in many forms and even the most well intentioned can’t resist the pull. IMHO as always. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It get a bit hard to take when a person comes on with all > of the answers.  I have been at this for over 28 years > and I have few firm answers.  As  far as posting a lot. > I do this to counter some of the crap that is posted > by egomaniac’s. > I have suffered a lot from misinformation and self appointed > experts.  Generally it seems to me many have a lot > of self serving misinformation. > A few years ago I almost died on the operating table > when I lost a leg due to inadequate information. > I later went through months of hell from heart surgery. > I have suffered through many complications problems. > When these groups operate properly the collective > knowledge from so many is useful..  I can state categorically > I am much better off after my contact with MHD and ASD. > I am not some with slightly high blood sugars dreaming up theories > and shoving them on people here. > If anyone thinks I run this group or enjoy some of the > thing that I deal with here they are basing their judgment > on their own way of thinking. > Most of my post are motivational because there is a need. > I prefer a very technical approach but it does not fit here. > In five seconds I can think of five people that have  died > from diabetes and they all suffered greatly before they died. > That is the issue that belongs here.  How to avoid this. > My wife’s minister is currently going down hill fast due > to not dealing with his diabetes. > There are over 60,000 groups anyone can find to bull shit > or play.  Diabetes is not a joke. > If a person is here to sell or promote a commercial organization, > they are despicable in my opinion.  I have been seeing hundreds of > worthless junk pushed for years.  I have not seen any cure yet. > The groups are open to any poster.  Any other poster can agree > or disagree.  No one owns the group but there is a charter.   It > is for people sick with diabetes needing support.   It should be used > in a civil manner.  With my advice and two bucks you can buy a cup of > coffee in a local store.  May be more in other areas.  Most of us > realize that the groups are to serve all and we put in our two cents. > When the collective opinion disagrees with you, maybe it time for self > examination. > I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit > to me. >                                                Guy

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Dear Guy, This is by far my favorite post. I can feel your heart in these words and know them to be true. Thank you Guy for always being here. When you are gone I miss you immensely and I am more blessed by having you as my friend. Thanks for all you do and for who you are. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It get a bit hard to take when a person comes on with all > of the answers.  I have been at this for over 28 years > and I have few firm answers.  As  far as posting a lot. > I do this to counter some of the crap that is posted > by egomaniac’s. > I have suffered a lot from misinformation and self appointed > experts.  Generally it seems to me many have a lot > of self serving misinformation. > A few years ago I almost died on the operating table > when I lost a leg due to inadequate information. > I later went through months of hell from heart surgery. > I have suffered through many complications problems. > When these groups operate properly the collective > knowledge from so many is useful..  I can state categorically > I am much better off after my contact with MHD and ASD. > I am not some with slightly high blood sugars dreaming up theories > and shoving them on people here. > If anyone thinks I run this group or enjoy some of the > thing that I deal with here they are basing their judgment > on their own way of thinking. > Most of my post are motivational because there is a need. > I prefer a very technical approach but it does not fit here. > In five seconds I can think of five people that have  died > from diabetes and they all suffered greatly before they died. > That is the issue that belongs here.  How to avoid this. > My wife’s minister is currently going down hill fast due > to not dealing with his diabetes. > There are over 60,000 groups anyone can find to bull shit > or play.  Diabetes is not a joke. > If a person is here to sell or promote a commercial organization, > they are despicable in my opinion.  I have been seeing hundreds of > worthless junk pushed for years.  I have not seen any cure yet. > The groups are open to any poster.  Any other poster can agree > or disagree.  No one owns the group but there is a charter.   It > is for people sick with diabetes needing support.   It should be used > in a civil manner.  With my advice and two bucks you can buy a cup of > coffee in a local store.  May be more in other areas.  Most of us > realize that the groups are to serve all and we put in our two cents. > When the collective opinion disagrees with you, maybe it time for self > examination. > I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit > to me. >                                                Guy

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>I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit >to me. >                                               Guy

Guy, You are a positive contributor to this  board’s knowledge.  I understand what you mean though.  There is a lot of misinformation out there and it seems there should be one place you could go for honest answers without being judged or have so much technical stuff thrown at you that you go eat the dounut anyway becaue you become overwhelmed.   I always try to give simple easy to understand answers that aren’t book length without judgement to the poster.  Afterall isn’t that why we all came here?  To find non judgemental simple answers to our questions about a very complex disease.   As a RN I do telephonic health coaching and do know a lot about diabetes and other conditions.  I find people want honest, simple answers when they are faced with dealing with this disease.  They don’t want judgement harrassment or too much information all at once…. I think this board serves that purpose for most, and yes there are some here that set high goals for themselves…. that’s fine, but don’t expect that everyone aspires to reach that same goal.. Some just want to get things under reasonable control and then "tweak" it.   Thanks for your contributions.   Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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Guy, For what it’s worth, I’ve always liked your attitude. Steph

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It get a bit hard to take when a person comes on with all > of the answers.  I have been at this for over 28 years > and I have few firm answers.  As  far as posting a lot. > I do this to counter some of the crap that is posted > by egomaniac’s. > I have suffered a lot from misinformation and self appointed > experts.  Generally it seems to me many have a lot > of self serving misinformation. > A few years ago I almost died on the operating table > when I lost a leg due to inadequate information. > I later went through months of hell from heart surgery. > I have suffered through many complications problems. > When these groups operate properly the collective > knowledge from so many is useful..  I can state categorically > I am much better off after my contact with MHD and ASD. > I am not some with slightly high blood sugars dreaming up theories > and shoving them on people here. > If anyone thinks I run this group or enjoy some of the > thing that I deal with here they are basing their judgment > on their own way of thinking. > Most of my post are motivational because there is a need. > I prefer a very technical approach but it does not fit here. > In five seconds I can think of five people that have  died > from diabetes and they all suffered greatly before they died. > That is the issue that belongs here.  How to avoid this. > My wife’s minister is currently going down hill fast due > to not dealing with his diabetes. > There are over 60,000 groups anyone can find to bull shit > or play.  Diabetes is not a joke. > If a person is here to sell or promote a commercial organization, > they are despicable in my opinion.  I have been seeing hundreds of > worthless junk pushed for years.  I have not seen any cure yet. > The groups are open to any poster.  Any other poster can agree > or disagree.  No one owns the group but there is a charter.   It > is for people sick with diabetes needing support.   It should be used > in a civil manner.  With my advice and two bucks you can buy a cup of > coffee in a local store.  May be more in other areas.  Most of us > realize that the groups are to serve all and we put in our two cents. > When the collective opinion disagrees with you, maybe it time for self > examination. > I still  do not know much about diabetes but enough to be of benefit > to me. >                                                Guy

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I’ve recently been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, and am just out of taking a diabetes education class (the final class session was about a month ago). When the topic of the Atkins diet came up in the class, both the nutritionist and the diabetes nurse agreed that the Atkins diet is a really bad idea for a person with diabetes. Personally, I don’t know all the details myself – but I am inclined to listen to them. I think that, rather than seek advice from Usenet, you would be better served by consulting with a nutritionist and formulating a custom diet plan. It may cost a few dollars (or more depending in your particular health plan), but being able to talk to a medical professional in person is well worth it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve recently been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, and am > just out of taking a diabetes education class (the final > class session was about a month ago). When the topic of the > Atkins diet came up in the class, both the nutritionist and > the diabetes nurse agreed that the Atkins diet is a really > bad idea for a person with diabetes. Personally, I don’t know > all the details myself – but I am inclined to listen to them. > I think that, rather than seek advice from Usenet, you would > be better served by consulting with a nutritionist and > formulating a custom diet plan. It may cost a few dollars (or > more depending in your particular health plan), but being > able to talk to a medical professional in person is well > worth it.

Read Dr Bernstien’s Book… He is a type I and MD.   BJ

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Right after I was dxed in June I bought this book: "The First Year Type 2 Diabetes: An Essential Guide for the Newly Diagnosed" by Gretchen Becker. It’s quite good. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569245460/qid=1062772567/sr=2… — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I would really be willing to give the Bernstein method a try.  I have looked > at the book from the library.  But not sure I could comply for the long > haul:-(  Maybe to get me started? > Jo Ann in MD. Won’t ignite anything from me…..I am open to any > suggestions… > I’m not trying to ignite a firestorm BUT, you should really-really look > into > Dr. Bernstein before you do any Atkins stuff. > Check it out here > http://www.diabetes-book.com/ > and here > http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.shtml > IMHO > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191. > DH > > didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first. Doc > > suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, > NO!!! > > How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life > plans’( I > > know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come > down > & > > I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight > (need > > to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try > the > > Atkins for a while??? > > I need you all’s input on this. > > Jo Ann in MD.

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>Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191.  DH >didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first.  Doc >suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, NO!!! >How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life plans’( I >know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come down & >I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight (need >to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try the >Atkins for a while??? >I need you all’s input on this. >Jo Ann in MD.

Hi Jo Ann All good advice from the others. I tried to follow the advice from the doc and the dietician but found from testing as advised by Jennifer that I needed to improve on that. I developed a simple plan that worked for me based on distilling everything I read here and trying to pick the best from the accumulated advice from a multitude of failed diets over the years. I developed a cooking and eating plan, rather than a diet, which worked for me. It may not work for you, but if you want a copy, email me direct (remove spam). It’s a bit long to post here. No money involved – just makes me feel good and feeds my ego In my case, by Christmas 02 after diagnosis Feb 02, weight from 257 to 199, A1c from over 8 to 6.2 and BP from high (forgotten) to 105/60. Maintained since. Others here have done much better – I’m still aiming for the 5% club. Good Luck Cheers – Alan

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Bear in mind that whatever diet/food plan/woe [way of eating]  you adopt now doesn’t have to be "for the rest of your life". If it doesn’t work out, or you just plain can’t stand it, you can try something different. What *is* "for the rest of your life" is paying attention to what you eat. By "get him to exercise with me" do you mean you can’t even get him to take a walk (moonlit?) with you? Of course, there’s that "other" exercise, which is very popular. bj

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks to all for the really great input! > I think I am going to go with the flow, so to speak.  (May I add~*~*~ > temporally)   DH is so gung ho on this because his doc said that he had lost > 15lbs. on Atkins.  If you knew my DH, you’d know that he *LOVES* food, > especially those high in carbs!  SO for him to want to try *any* meal plan > (other than his) is a step in the right direction!!  I don’t have to adhere > to it completely.  Like Colleen said, to take points from different meal > plans.  I can do that & customize it to something *I* can live with<G> > Thanks again.  You guys are *GREAT*!! > Jo Ann in MD.  now if I can just get him to exercise with me  <hmmmm>

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> Read Dr Bernstien’s Book… He is a type I and MD.   BJ

Thanks for the tip, I will check it out and then discuss it with my doctor.

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Thanks to all for the really great input! I think I am going to go with the flow, so to speak.  (May I add~*~*~ temporally)   DH is so gung ho on this because his doc said that he had lost 15lbs. on Atkins.  If you knew my DH, you’d know that he *LOVES* food, especially those high in carbs!  SO for him to want to try *any* meal plan (other than his) is a step in the right direction!!  I don’t have to adhere to it completely.  Like Colleen said, to take points from different meal plans.  I can do that & customize it to something *I* can live with<G> Thanks again.  You guys are *GREAT*!! Jo Ann in MD.  now if I can just get him to exercise with me  <hmmmm>

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191. DH > didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first.  Doc > suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, NO!!! > How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life > plans’( I > know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come down > & > I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight > (need > to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try > the > Atkins for a while??? > I need you all’s input on this. > Jo Ann in MD. > I’ve recently been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, and am just out of taking > a diabetes education class (the final class session was about a month ago). > When the topic of the Atkins diet came up in the class, both the > nutritionist and the diabetes nurse agreed that the Atkins diet is a really > bad idea for a person with diabetes. Personally, I don’t know all the > details myself – but I am inclined to listen to them. > I think that, rather than seek advice from Usenet, you would be better > served by consulting with a nutritionist and formulating a custom diet plan. > It may cost a few dollars (or more depending in your particular health > plan), but being able to talk to a medical professional in person is well > worth it.

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I’m not trying to ignite a firestorm BUT, you should really-really look into Dr. Bernstein before you do any Atkins stuff. Check it out here http://www.diabetes-book.com/ and here http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.shtml IMHO — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191.  DH > didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first.  Doc > suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, NO!!! > How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life plans’( I > know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come down & > I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight (need > to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try the > Atkins for a while??? > I need you all’s input on this. > Jo Ann in MD.

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Oh and btw – don’t slavishly follow anything (even Dr. B), I know you know this but remember YMMV. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m not trying to ignite a firestorm BUT, you should really-really look into > Dr. Bernstein before you do any Atkins stuff. > Check it out here > http://www.diabetes-book.com/ > and here > http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.shtml > IMHO > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191. DH > didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first.  Doc > suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, NO!!! > How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life > plans’( I > know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come down > & > I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight > (need > to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try > the > Atkins for a while??? > I need you all’s input on this. > Jo Ann in MD.

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I would really be willing to give the Bernstein method a try.  I have looked at the book from the library.  But not sure I could comply for the long haul:-(  Maybe to get me started? Jo Ann in MD. Won’t ignite anything from me…..I am open to any suggestions…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m not trying to ignite a firestorm BUT, you should really-really look into > Dr. Bernstein before you do any Atkins stuff. > Check it out here > http://www.diabetes-book.com/ > and here > http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.shtml > IMHO > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191. DH > didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first.  Doc > suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, NO!!! > How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life > plans’( I > know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come down > & > I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight > (need > to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try > the > Atkins for a while??? > I need you all’s input on this. > Jo Ann in MD.

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JoAnn to Atkins or not, that is the question  Some people swear by it and others wont touch it  I am the latter and wont touch it  I dont want all that protein which might spill over into my kidneys, I prefer a balanced diet with three meals a day and some snacks and portion control,  I have to lose about forty pounds after losing 43 but I just maintain my weight,  I stil feel like a winner not having gained any in over a year. This is a personal choice for you to make,  Others will come here expounding on the benefits of Atkins  It is not my choice but it may be yours to quick start a weight loss Good luck with whatever you decide. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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For me, I took the finer points of both and created something that fit my lifestyle and what I liked to eat.  No diet will work if it’s food you don’t like or a regimine that is too hard to follow.  I eat a lowered carb diet. I eat a balanced diet with the emphasis on unprocessed foods.  Lotsa veggies, chicken, fish, limited fruit and dairy and whole grain wheat products.  I let my meter and my quarterly a1c’s be my guide.  So far, so good. — c website  http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I would really be willing to give the Bernstein method a try.  I have looked > at the book from the library.  But not sure I could comply for the long > haul:-(  Maybe to get me started? > Jo Ann in MD. Won’t ignite anything from me…..I am open to any > suggestions… > I’m not trying to ignite a firestorm BUT, you should really-really look > into > Dr. Bernstein before you do any Atkins stuff. > Check it out here > http://www.diabetes-book.com/ > and here > http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.shtml > IMHO > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191. > DH > > didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first. Doc > > suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, > NO!!! > > How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life > plans’( I > > know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come > down > & > > I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight > (need > > to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try > the > > Atkins for a while??? > > I need you all’s input on this. > > Jo Ann in MD.

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Doc’s visit last evening.  A1c is 7.9.  Cholesterol is 198, trig 191.  DH didn’t want to go on meds.  He wants to try diet & exercise first.  Doc suggested Atkins Diet.  DH said ‘you want to do it with me?’  Well, NO!!! How many times in the past have I ased him to do exercise & ‘life plans’( I know that ‘diets’ don’t work) with me?  I finally got my a1c to come down & I feel that what I am doing is right for me.  I am not loosing weight (need to loose about 30lbs.) but I am not gaining either.  Maybe I should try the Atkins for a while??? I need you all’s input on this. Jo Ann in MD.

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My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with my meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low (80 to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at 200 )I take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second or third shot. My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale for my meds. I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any one with a regimen such as this. It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious Thanks Lee

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with my >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low (80 >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at 200 )I >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second or >third shot. >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale for >my meds. >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any one >with a regimen such as this. >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious >Thanks >Lee

are you type 1 or type 2 and why are you not testing at least 2 hours after meals?  most likely you are type 2 because a type 1 wouldn’t be handle 40 units of N which would cause a major hypo then run out and lead to high BG the rest of the day. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism.

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of the time it’s around 110-140 at 1 hr and 100-120 or so at 2hrs …sorry for not includung that info because it’s kind of an important part of my question Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with my >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low (80 >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at 200 )I >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second or >third shot. >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale for >my meds. >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any one >with a regimen such as this. >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious >Thanks >Lee > are you type 1 or type 2 and why are you not testing at least 2 hours > after meals?  most likely you are type 2 because a type 1 wouldn’t be > handle 40 units of N which would cause a major hypo then run out and > lead to high BG the rest of the day. > Mack > Type 1 since 1975 > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >  terrorism.

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Lee, When I read that you take 40u of N, I figured that you are T2.  (I’m T1, and there is NO WAY I could take that much insulin at one time!!)  I’m sure that there are T2s that follow a very similar schedule.  (I follow a more intensive schedule, but with a lot less insulin.)  Your numbers look excellent, so I would say that it is more than safe.  I’m curious as to why you were questioning your regime’s safety.  Are you concerned about hypos? If so, keep orange juice on hand and test often.  If you are wondering about the general safety of Humilin N, then you can put your mind at ease. (Unless, of course, you have a strange allergic reaction to it.)  I’ve been taking Humilin N for MANY years, and I have had no problems with it. Good luck to you. Steph

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – meals..most > of the time it’s around 110-140 at 1 hr and 100-120 or so at 2hrs …sorry > for not includung that info because it’s kind of an important part of my > question > Lee > >My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with > my > >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low > (80 > >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at > 200 )I > >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second > or > >third shot. > >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale > for > >my meds. > >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any > one > >with a regimen such as this. > >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this > >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? > >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious > >Thanks > >Lee > are you type 1 or type 2 and why are you not testing at least 2 hours > after meals?  most likely you are type 2 because a type 1 wouldn’t be > handle 40 units of N which would cause a major hypo then run out and > lead to high BG the rest of the day. > Mack > Type 1 since 1975 > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >  terrorism.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with my >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low (80 >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at 200 )I >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second or >third shot. >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale for >my meds. >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any one >with a regimen such as this. >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious >Thanks >Lee

    You’re not the first poster who has reported an insulin regime like that.    Your single shot of N per day is a bit old-fashioned,  a bit inefficient, but you Type 2 diabetics can get away with the older insulin regimes. The "danger" in that single shot of N is the effects of the N peak which, in many, if not most folks, occurs about 4-6 hours after the injection.    If you aren’t going low  at 4-6 hours after you shoot,  then you are not in much danger.   I always went low at 4-6 hours after an N shot and it just about drove me nuts. In general, you are "supplementing" your current supply of self-generated insulin with the moderately slow-absorbing N insulin.   In most folks, it just about totally absorbs within 12 hours of shooting, but you’re probably done eating by that time anyway.   However, for most folks, it doesn’t help with the fasting blood sugar the next morning when injected that way. Many docs now prefer Lantus in place of N insulin for regimes like this. Lantus doesn’t have much of a peak so folks don’t have any problems with the lows.   The Lantus will do double duty in that in a regime like yours.  It helps with the meals, and helps with the fasting blood sugar (FbG) the next morning.   However, it also costs a bit more than twice as much as the N. You could shoot an extra bit of N insulin at bedtime to fight high FbG if that becomes a problem. You have excellent blood sugars, probably better than most T2 diabetics. Your doc gave you a fairly easy to remember, easy to shoot, fairly cheap insulin regime and you are doing well with it.  However, I suspect a bit of restraint with the knife and fork at evening meals,  when that morning N is wearing off,  is a strong factor in your good control. If it stops working,  consider splitting your N over 2, 3 or even 4 or so shots per day, and using that R insulin before each meal. Regards   Old Al

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Thanks for your reply, I actually was curious because I have not seen any posts by any one on a simular schedule. I was recently dx’ed in May of this year. My first Ha1c was a little high (9.9) .This will be my first test involving a full 90 days. With good luck I’ll be able to join the 5 % club. Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lee, > When I read that you take 40u of N, I figured that you are T2.  (I’m T1, and > there is NO WAY I could take that much insulin at one time!!)  I’m sure that > there are T2s that follow a very similar schedule.  (I follow a more > intensive schedule, but with a lot less insulin.)  Your numbers look > excellent, so I would say that it is more than safe.  I’m curious as to why > you were questioning your regime’s safety.  Are you concerned about hypos? > If so, keep orange juice on hand and test often.  If you are wondering about > the general safety of Humilin N, then you can put your mind at ease. > (Unless, of course, you have a strange allergic reaction to it.)  I’ve been > taking Humilin N for MANY years, and I have had no problems with it. > Good luck to you. > Steph > meals..most > of the time it’s around 110-140 at 1 hr and 100-120 or so at 2hrs …sorry > for not includung that info because it’s kind of an important part of my > question > Lee > > >My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking > with > my > > >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of > low > (80 > > >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at > 200 )I > > >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second > or > > >third shot. > > >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding > scale > for > > >my meds. > > >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen > any > one > > >with a regimen such as this. > > >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this > > >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? > > >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious > > >Thanks > > >Lee > > are you type 1 or type 2 and why are you not testing at least 2 hours > > after meals?  most likely you are type 2 because a type 1 wouldn’t be > > handle 40 units of N which would cause a major hypo then run out and > > lead to high BG the rest of the day. > > Mack > > Type 1 since 1975 > > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org > >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State > >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > >  terrorism.

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Thanks Al, When I first started, my dieabetic nurse told me to talk to the Dr. about my regimen and to get it changed (showed the peak and valley chart) But I was so nervious at the visit I forgot to, when I went to her office that afternoon and she looked at my numbers she said " keep doing what you are doing" Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with > my >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low > (80 >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at > 200 )I >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second or >third shot. >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale > for >my meds. >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any > one >with a regimen such as this. >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious >Thanks >Lee >     You’re not the first poster who has reported an insulin regime like > that.    Your single shot of N per day is a bit old-fashioned,  a bit > inefficient, but you Type 2 diabetics can get away with the older insulin > regimes. > The "danger" in that single shot of N is the effects of the N peak which, in > many, if not most folks, occurs about 4-6 hours after the injection.    If > you aren’t going low  at 4-6 hours after you shoot,  then you are not in > much danger.   I always went low at 4-6 hours after an N shot and it just > about drove me nuts. > In general, you are "supplementing" your current supply of self-generated > insulin with the moderately slow-absorbing N insulin.   In most folks, it > just about totally absorbs within 12 hours of shooting, but you’re probably > done eating by that time anyway.   However, for most folks, it doesn’t help > with the fasting blood sugar the next morning when injected that way. > Many docs now prefer Lantus in place of N insulin for regimes like this. > Lantus doesn’t have much of a peak so folks don’t have any problems with the > lows.   The Lantus will do double duty in that in a regime like yours.  It > helps with the meals, and helps with the fasting blood sugar (FbG) the next > morning.   However, it also costs a bit more than twice as much as the N. > You could shoot an extra bit of N insulin at bedtime to fight high FbG if > that becomes a problem. > You have excellent blood sugars, probably better than most T2 diabetics. > Your doc gave you a fairly easy to remember, easy to shoot, fairly cheap > insulin regime and you are doing well with it.  However, I suspect a bit of > restraint with the knife and fork at evening meals,  when that morning N is > wearing off,  is a strong factor in your good control. > If it stops working,  consider splitting your N over 2, 3 or even 4 or so > shots per day, and using that R insulin before each meal. > Regards >   Old Al

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>of the time it’s around 110-140 at 1 hr and 100-120 or so at 2hrs …sorry >for not includung that info because it’s kind of an important part of my >question >Lee

the type 2 explains your high NPH dose and you lack of need for the extra shots you indicted in your post.  You are both insulin resistant and still making insulin your own insulin.  What you have described is common in type 2 diabetics using insulin.  and is quite safe o long as you keep in mind that anyone using insulin is prone to hypos(low BG) and what you need to do to treat them if and when they occur. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org  In tribute to the United States of America and the State  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and  terrorism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >My Doc. has me shooting 40 units of Humulin N in the AM and checking with >my > >meter before meals and at bedtime , normally my readings are kind of low >(80 > >to 100 range). If my readings reach a certain level  (scale starts at >200 )I > >take a shot of Humulin R . As of yet I have not had to take that second >or > >third shot. > >My 14 day average is 91 30 day avg. 105 , he called this a sliding scale >for > >my meds. > >I have read this group since around the end of May and have not seen any >one > >with a regimen such as this. > >It seems to be working for me  , I guess my question would be , is this > >safe? , does anybody else follow this sort of schedule? > >Please no smart remarks from certain folks, Just courious > >Thanks > >Lee > are you type 1 or type 2 and why are you not testing at least 2 hours > after meals?  most likely you are type 2 because a type 1 wouldn’t be > handle 40 units of N which would cause a major hypo then run out and > lead to high BG the rest of the day. > Mack > Type 1 since 1975 > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org >  In tribute to the United States of America and the State >  of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >  terrorism.

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