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>No, it was kicking a scamming troll >As someone else pointed out, the name "Jack Frost" should have clued us >in right away.

Should have but the collective intelligence of this group  matches those of an ant.

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>In the same way I have observed you are very fervent about >protecting people here from being deceived or misled.  That’s *your* >main goal.

Rosenberg is a liar and a cyberstalker and it is a terrible reflection on ASD when both of those activities are supported by ASD members.

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>Thanks for the reply, Ted. >It all sounds fair enough. >I use very little sweetening myself. >Annette

That’s cause you don’t need any Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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>Thanks for the reply, Ted. >It all sounds fair enough. >I use very little sweetening myself. >Annette > That’s cause you don’t need any > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

Eeeew, aren’t you the smoothie! Thank you for the nice little compliment, Alan.  Like most Ozzie women, I’m never quite sure if the bloke is taking the micky or not! BTW I had a look at your email provider tonight to see why you aren’t getting the spams and worm attacks in your mail, and if it would be worth opening an account with them. What they do, actually, is filter them for you, but AFTER they go onto your malbox.  You may even be getting flooded too, but would never know.  The problem with that system is that if your mailbox is full,  emails you DO want may be rejected.    You’d never know why. So don’t think you aren’t under attack, you just don’t know about it.  Sadly, it’s not quite what *I* am seeking. I want my mail totally filtered BEFORE it goes into my mailbox.  And for a reasonable cost.  Oh well. One interesting affect of the current activity is that it is forcing small organisations (that provide blacklists of the private ISP sources for spam, porn in particular), to close down. Spamcop is gone, and many others are following – they just can’t cope with the massive attacks they are getting.  It’s complicated, but it has a really sus. feel to me.  What next eh? Annette Honeymooners At Breakfast English: Pass the sugar, sugar. American: Pass the honey, honey. Australian: Pass the tea, bag! — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry – meant SMTP servers miss a lot of the posts > So, I usually cc by email, so the recepiant will be sure to get it. > If I mail privately, I usually say so.  I never send attacks in private, > just in public, and cc’d, so the scammers can not say I set unsolicited > email, I only replied to THEIR post. > As for research, the amount of diabetes research going on in the US is > huge.  Much of it is paid for by drug companies, but much of it is > public, BUT to people who don’t understand how research funding works – > it can look smaller than it is > THEN there is the misuse of numbers – OF COURSE the amount spent per > person with a rare disease is greater than the amount spent PER PERSON > with a common disease. > He also made a number of simple errors in describing diabetes, and > assumed that T1’s can get off of meds with diet and exercise.  Now THAT > is in a class with our Bengali frauds. > I looked at all that, and merely shook my head, but when he kept quoting > Momma Betty, he quoted the part that a biochemist would NEVER quote.  If > he had stuck to the mysterious brain tumors (which no one has ever seen) > or some of the other more complicated lies, he might have just been a > patsy, but NO, he quoted the parts about "toxic formalin caused by > aspartame at room temperature"  That is so bad as to be almost FUNNY. > This from a BIOCHEMIST – give us a break. > Ken quoted some of the same bullcrap, but he > 1) Had been a reasonable poster with REAL questions and positions on things. > 2) did not claim to be a biochemist > Most people didn’t attack HIM, just point out that he was wrong. > AND, he is still here, still participating, and has stopped quoiting Betty. > I do not CARE if you use artificial sweeteners or not, as long as you > don’t push scare stories, or sell Stevia.   I don’[t even use much > sweeteners at all, artificial ort otherwise.  I didn’t put sugar in my > coffee before, so I didn’t need to replace the sugar with something. > Sometimes I drink diet soda, BUT, since I don’t crave sweets, it isn’t a > big deal for me.  Some people have a real craving for sweets, and > artificial sweetners are a necessity for them.

Thanks for the reply, Ted. It all sounds fair enough. I use very little sweetening myself. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I just take-in the GOOD , and forget the bad . Nothing is worth getting upset about much . tim

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Ted , that was kicking a person when their down in my view . Not very nice , maybe you are having a bad day…sorry . tim

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No, it was kicking a scamming troll As someone else pointed out, the name "Jack Frost" should have clued us in right away. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Ted , that was kicking a person when their down in my view . Not very > nice , maybe you are having a bad day…sorry . > tim

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Sorry – meant SMTP servers miss a lot of the posts So, I usually cc by email, so the recepiant will be sure to get it. If I mail privately, I usually say so.  I never send attacks in private, just in public, and cc’d, so the scammers can not say I set unsolicited email, I only replied to THEIR post. As for research, the amount of diabetes research going on in the US is huge.  Much of it is paid for by drug companies, but much of it is public, BUT to people who don’t understand how research funding works – it can look smaller than it is THEN there is the misuse of numbers – OF COURSE the amount spent per person with a rare disease is greater than the amount spent PER PERSON with a common disease. He also made a number of simple errors in describing diabetes, and assumed that T1’s can get off of meds with diet and exercise.  Now THAT is in a class with our Bengali frauds. I looked at all that, and merely shook my head, but when he kept quoting Momma Betty, he quoted the part that a biochemist would NEVER quote.  If he had stuck to the mysterious brain tumors (which no one has ever seen) or some of the other more complicated lies, he might have just been a patsy, but NO, he quoted the parts about "toxic formalin caused by aspartame at room temperature"  That is so bad as to be almost FUNNY. This from a BIOCHEMIST – give us a break. Ken quoted some of the same bullcrap, but he 1) Had been a reasonable poster with REAL questions and positions on things. 2) did not claim to be a biochemist Most people didn’t attack HIM, just point out that he was wrong. AND, he is still here, still participating, and has stopped quoiting Betty. I do not CARE if you use artificial sweeteners or not, as long as you don’t push scare stories, or sell Stevia.   I don’[t even use much sweeteners at all, artificial ort otherwise.  I didn’t put sugar in my coffee before, so I didn’t need to replace the sugar with something. Sometimes I drink diet soda, BUT, since I don’t crave sweets, it isn’t a big deal for me.  Some people have a real craving for sweets, and artificial sweetners are a necessity for them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->cc’d by email >FIRST Annette, HE does not know anything about the state of > diabetic >research in the US, everything he said was wrong. >SECOND: He claimed knowledge in the field of research and > biochemistry >that was SO phony that it was clear he was not what he claimed to > be. >THIRD: He clearly knew little or nothing about diabetes >FINALLY: (and what set ME off) was he did the Momma Betty > Aspartame >Troll bit, RIGHT off of her website, Including statements that no > one >with ANY knowledge of biochemistry would make. >He was just another phony Aspartame Troll, TRYING to pretend to be >something else – and, he was a transparent fraud, NOT a diabetic > Hi there Ted, > I respect your right to express your opinions here.  Whether I agree > with them or not.  Although I *do* mind the bad language you use at > times when you are angry.  But I just have to put up with it, I > suppose.   I put up with a lot of things here, that I don’t > personally like. > And I don’t mind if you send an email to me privately. > What *I* find annoying is when you do both at the same time.  Is it > unavoidable in your computer set up?  If you CAN change it to do > either one or the other I would be very grateful. > As for what you have to say, I have no reply to offer.  I don’t know > enough about Jack to comment.  I take people at face value initially > until I am convinced otherwise. > I simply understood that he does have T1 diabetes and thus probably > needs the support and help of the group.  He seemed very fervent > about improving the situation for T1 diabetics.  He doesn’t know > much about T2’s.  That was all I observed, really. You say this > isn’t so.  How can you tell?  Do you have evidence of this, or is it > just a conclusion you have made? > I am frequently approached by people endeavouring to recruit people > to their particular cause.  They can be persistant, annoying and > sometimes offensive.  Still, I can just say NO.  They can’t make me > do anything I don’t want to do.  No matter how important the issue > or insistant they are.  I just let it go. > In the same way I have observed you are very fervent about > protecting people here from being deceived or misled.  That’s *your* > main goal.  I just accept that’s how you are, and i can get worked > up about that sometimes too. I respect your fervour as well. We each > have our own thing. > You probably think I am niaive. But it works for me. Live and let > live.  Speak the truth with love. Treat others as I would like to be > treated. And so on. > With all due respect for your opinions, > All the best, > Annette > The 4 Guidelines for Co-operation. > 1. In necessary things, strictness and unity. > 2. In optional things, detachment and liberty. > 3. In disagreements (usually about whether something is optional or > necessary), respect and personal integrity. > 4. In ALL things, reason and honesty. > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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cc’d by email FIRST Annette, HE does not know anything about the state of diabetic research in the US, everything he said was wrong. SECOND: He claimed knowledge in the field of research and biochemistry that was SO phony that it was clear he was not what he claimed to be. THIRD: He clearly knew little or nothing about diabetes FINALLY: (and what set ME off) was he did the Momma Betty Aspartame Troll bit, RIGHT off of her website, Including statements that no one with ANY knowledge of biochemistry would make. He was just another phony Aspartame Troll, TRYING to pretend to be something else – and, he was a transparent fraud, NOT a diabetic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away. > Hi there Jack, > I didn’t comment on your posts because I live in a different country > where the issues are somewhat different, and besides, there would be > no point, politically, anyway. But I did read them . > I agree that there appears to be a great deal of apathy when it > comes to trying to change govt attitudes and policies.  Most perhaps > just don’t have the time or energy to take it on. Some simply lack > the fervour. > One thing that I did notice was that you semed to be too focussed on > one aspect of diabetes rather than things that might have a wider > appeal to your audience.  Whatever. I do admire your recognition of > the need to take action. > As for being driven away, how about narking them, and staying on, > even just to irritate the offenders?  I sure wish some of the trolls > would leave as readily when insulted!  Like bad smells, they can be > hard to get rid of. > Genuine people like yourself are a lot less vocal while being the > very ones this group exists to help. >This has become a very negative place for me because of a few. > Like many of you I have enough negativity >in my life without asking > for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I > struggle with mine.  I >shall continue to solicit my representatives > to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise. >Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a > positive manner. > It’s great to see that those few who offended you haven’t > discouraged you from doing what *you* can.  That’s all any of us can > do.  But do be prepared for a long haul.  I’ve had diabetes for a > long time, and have seen efforts to improve Govt recognition and > assistance taking a long time to gain any headway.  It has taken at > least 20 years to see any results, but lately things *are* moving in > a better direction.  I’d bet that many a hard working , fervent > lobbyist, have had broken hearts through the years.   Every time > there is a change of government  there are new minds to win over, > new battles to fight.  And so on it goes. > The other side of things that you might want to consider is your own > personal need for support and help with managing diabetes.  There > are a lot of good hearted, knowledgable and experienced people in > the group.  Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.  Or let a > few flies spoil your Bar-B-Que! > Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. > Annette from Oz. > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cc’d by email > FIRST Annette, HE does not know anything about the state of diabetic > research in the US, everything he said was wrong. > SECOND: He claimed knowledge in the field of research and biochemistry > that was SO phony that it was clear he was not what he claimed to be. > THIRD: He clearly knew little or nothing about diabetes > FINALLY: (and what set ME off) was he did the Momma Betty Aspartame > Troll bit, RIGHT off of her website, Including statements that no one > with ANY knowledge of biochemistry would make. > He was just another phony Aspartame Troll, TRYING to pretend to be > something else – and, he was a transparent fraud, NOT a diabetic

Hi there Ted, I respect your right to express your opinions here.  Whether I agree with them or not.  Although I *do* mind the bad language you use at times when you are angry.  But I just have to put up with it, I suppose.   I put up with a lot of things here, that I don’t personally like. And I don’t mind if you send an email to me privately. What *I* find annoying is when you do both at the same time.  Is it unavoidable in your computer set up?  If you CAN change it to do either one or the other I would be very grateful. As for what you have to say, I have no reply to offer.  I don’t know enough about Jack to comment.  I take people at face value initially until I am convinced otherwise. I simply understood that he does have T1 diabetes and thus probably needs the support and help of the group.  He seemed very fervent about improving the situation for T1 diabetics.  He doesn’t know much about T2’s.  That was all I observed, really. You say this isn’t so.  How can you tell?  Do you have evidence of this, or is it just a conclusion you have made? I am frequently approached by people endeavouring to recruit people to their particular cause.  They can be persistant, annoying and sometimes offensive.  Still, I can just say NO.  They can’t make me do anything I don’t want to do.  No matter how important the issue or insistant they are.  I just let it go. In the same way I have observed you are very fervent about protecting people here from being deceived or misled.  That’s *your* main goal.  I just accept that’s how you are, and i can get worked up about that sometimes too. I respect your fervour as well. We each have our own thing. You probably think I am niaive. But it works for me. Live and let live.  Speak the truth with love. Treat others as I would like to be treated. And so on. With all due respect for your opinions, All the best, Annette The 4 Guidelines for Co-operation. 1. In necessary things, strictness and unity. 2. In optional things, detachment and liberty. 3. In disagreements (usually about whether something is optional or necessary), respect and personal integrity. 4. In ALL things, reason and honesty. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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  Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.   —   Dear Jack,   So sorry you were met with such difficulty.   This newsgroup is occasionally rather tough on newbies and it was something I didn’t understand either.   After a while you begin to see the reason soon enough.   We are the targets of all sorts of scam artists and snake oil salesmen here, and the regulars here just hate it.   Every new poster is regarded as suspect till they prove they are real and not some peddler of poisons.   Every newcomer sort of gets to run the gauntlet, most especially if they mention suspect products or if they come with previously-formed strong opinions.   I would advise you to take it more slowly and go easy if that is possible.   Not all people here are unkind or heavy handed, and not all those who come on that way mean it unkindly either.   Killfile those whose style you find aggressive, and lurk a while.   You will soon enough see which posters are helpful and kind and filled with goodwill.  We have plenty of them if you take the time to know who they are.   I have found many kind and friendly people here in spite of a similarly rocky early experience.   I wish you well.   Evelyn   "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst into laughter."    -Longchenpa

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Hello Jack Frost: sorry this has happened to you too Jack. you will find that you can not see certain people if you so wish. if you kill filter the ones that bother you they can not bother you. i dont know if you are newlie dx’d but if you are – i am truely sorry for what has happened to you also. since i started comming here i have about 50 people that have posted in my kill filter – some are gone and some remain.  if you do not like the way things are in here the best thing you can do is put certain people in your kill filter(ignore them). so the next time someone comes in needing help and gets treated the same way – you will be here to talk to them. i myself welcome any newbie no matter if they like the US – like low carb – low fat artificial sweeteners – it just not matter to me if you have different likes or beliefs than i do. if i dont like someone i simply stop talking to them – i dont feel the need to insult someone just because they have different beliefs or even if i do not like them. may i suggest you try – misc.health.diabetes or alt.support.diabetes.UK i happen to like the people in the UK news group or just the way the group works. good luck to you. but remember you can help make this group a better place for people who have similar feelings as yourself – How? just kill filter those you do not want to talk to – and get help from those who do not insult you and give help to those that need it. Shadow Spirit

Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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Maybe if you hadn’t come on like Thor with his mighty hammer I wouldn’t have responded like I did. You need to accept some blame, at least, for what happened. I didn’t mean to "drive you off", just make you realize that you and everyone else are individuals and as such, not everyone can go jogging three times a day (Jim Fixx died of a heart attack while jogging, fyi) like you imply we all needed to do. Budd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very > negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough > negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much > luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of > you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me > personally in a positive manner.

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> Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your

efforts have succeeded in driving me away. Hi there Jack, I didn’t comment on your posts because I live in a different country where the issues are somewhat different, and besides, there would be no point, politically, anyway. But I did read them . I agree that there appears to be a great deal of apathy when it comes to trying to change govt attitudes and policies.  Most perhaps just don’t have the time or energy to take it on. Some simply lack the fervour. One thing that I did notice was that you semed to be too focussed on one aspect of diabetes rather than things that might have a wider appeal to your audience.  Whatever. I do admire your recognition of the need to take action. As for being driven away, how about narking them, and staying on, even just to irritate the offenders?  I sure wish some of the trolls would leave as readily when insulted!  Like bad smells, they can be hard to get rid of. Genuine people like yourself are a lot less vocal while being the very ones this group exists to help. >This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.

Like many of you I have enough negativity >in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I >shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise. >Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a

positive manner. It’s great to see that those few who offended you haven’t discouraged you from doing what *you* can.  That’s all any of us can do.  But do be prepared for a long haul.  I’ve had diabetes for a long time, and have seen efforts to improve Govt recognition and assistance taking a long time to gain any headway.  It has taken at least 20 years to see any results, but lately things *are* moving in a better direction.  I’d bet that many a hard working , fervent lobbyist, have had broken hearts through the years.   Every time there is a change of government  there are new minds to win over, new battles to fight.  And so on it goes. The other side of things that you might want to consider is your own personal need for support and help with managing diabetes.  There are a lot of good hearted, knowledgable and experienced people in the group.  Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.  Or let a few flies spoil your Bar-B-Que! Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. Annette from Oz. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Dear Jack I have been here almost five years and I think it is very sad that you feel you must leave. In this group these days you have to take what is good for your diabetes and leave the rest. Block those that hurt or offend you. But please stay and get what you need to live and live healthy. If you must go though I wish you all the best and take very good care of yourself and find a "real" support group that is willing to give you their best. Diana

Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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cc’d by email Well, that is YOUR decision Someone comes on the newsgroup spouts a whole bunch of arrant nonsense And WE are accused of being inhospitable when we point out that he is full of shit If you are going to continue to moan, whine, pontificate, and lie – you should not worry about the doorknob on the way out. If, instead, you asked and listened – you might learn something.  You then might even be able to contribute. BUT, you don’t WANT to learn anything, you want to impress all of us with your greatness. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > *Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very > negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough > negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much > luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of > you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me > personally in a positive manner.*

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>Someone comes on the newsgroup >spouts a whole bunch of arrant nonsense >And WE are accused of being inhospitable when we point out that he is >full of shit >If you are going to continue to moan, whine, pontificate, and lie – you >should not worry about the doorknob on the way out.

Ted – put a sock in it. Enough. PS If you want to email me direct, feel free. Remove spam.  My hide is fairly thick. You perform a good service here against spammers, but learn when to quit when you’re ahead. Where I come from, kicking a man when he’s down is considered cowardice. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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Jack, I’ve only been here a few months and I personally have found everyone to be very helpful.  Correct me if I am wrong, but the way I see, you just came in and started shouting away about funding and immediately expected everyone to jump on board with you. Would you normally just walk into a room full of people that you don’t know and start shouting, "Hey everybody, let’s go march on The White House!!?? Your cause is noble, but you need to refine your approach so that people will consider listening to you in the future. — Eddie Type 2   Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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>If you are going to continue to moan, whine, pontificate, and lie – you >should not worry about the doorknob on the way out.

I just remembered why I don’t like to read your posts. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is  falling through street grates."  ~Dave Barry~

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> Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that > your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has > become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like > many of you I have enough negativity in my life without > asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your > diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I > urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few > who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

Bye! Have a good life… BJ

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Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

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take care, Jack. I filter out folks that irritate me too much.  (‘course that’s just a select few… ) we’ll be right here if you change your mind… dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your > efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very > negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough > negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much > luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to > solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of > you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me > personally in a positive manner.

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>Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

As I’m one of those who chided you, I’m sorry to see you go. I have found that the end result, measured simply in A1c, controlled BGs, low blood pressure and better quality of life more than make up for the hassles and vitriol. There is a lot of good info and many good people here; but you have to be prepared to take it if you throw an unsupported statement out on the ether. Too many lurkers are reading who may believe a false statement if it is not rebutted. This is definitely a forum for put up or shut up. There are also a lot of twits here, and you have to wade through their dross at times. Sometimes that can be any of us; anyone can post something stupid or hurtful (including either of us), the smart part is admitting it later. People are complex and life is unfair. Now that we have accepted the truth of that, I wish you’d stay – but if you have to go, goodbye and good luck. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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This post not CC’d by email >Well I’m sure that a few of you will be pleased to learn that your efforts have succeeded in driving me away.  This has become a very negative place for me because of a few.  Like many of you I have enough negativity in my life without asking for more.  I wish everyone much luck with your diabetes as I struggle with mine.  I shall continue to solicit my representatives to fund diabetes research and I urge each of you to do likewise.  Thanks to the (very) few who responded to me personally in a positive manner.

G’day G’day Jack,  Now that is sad.  Not because anyone was unkind to you or anything like that.  It is sad because you have political aspirations, aspirations that could produce a lot of benefit for diabetics and you are thin skinned. Sadly it isn’t a workable combination. IMHO have a good nights sleep and reflect on it. If your position advocating militancy on the part of diabetics is valid, it will be still as valid tomorrow.  If it is not then best it die a quick and quiet death. Let’s say on reflection you decide that militant advocacy is what is required to produce political awareness, then before running up against some real hard-nosed politicians how about coming back here and sparring. If the standard of sparring partners isn’t up to the training you require you could pay a mole to sling abuse and poo poo all your suggestions regardless of how sensible them might be.   That way you will be much better prepared for when you take on the real thing.  You’ll have the devastating answers when they are most needed. When split seconds count you’ll know the right thing to say. Pick a few fights with the serotonin deficient posters whose insulin is well and truly out of whack.  That way when it really counts nothing will faze you. Nothing. Best wishes with the courage and depth of passion thing. — Quentin Grady       ^  ^  / New Zealand,       >#,#< [                     / /     "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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