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Charter

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<snip> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I told Guy my comment to him was my last thought on this nonsense. > But I just saw a commerical post (halloween candy) by renowned > Jennifer, a very respected ASD Regular. > I’m sure there are many other commerical posts by ASD Regulars. So > why the big stink about Conni? I don’t give a rats behind about the > political bullshit about aspertane. I’m more concerned about this > small group of people applying self made rules to certain newbies and > not to themselves. > If ASD regulars can use commerical posts as common everyday chitchat, > then ALL newbies can also use the same. > If ASD regulars can use political, religious, donations, commerical > Sigs, then all newbies can also use the same. > Rules and the charter apply to everybody. It does not mean that a > self ordained control group can do whatever it feels like.

Give it up, will you!? Jennifer simply pointed out (as I did in a previous post) that she was giving out toys for Halloween instead of candy. And she provided a link to where she bought the toys in case we wanted to do the same. Jennifer did not make any money from this. This is not the same thing as what some other people are doing. And Jennifer’s post was totally on topic because this is a diabetes newsgroup. Most of us don’t want a lot of candy in the house and many of us would just as soon not even give out candy to kids! She merely pointed out a helpful alternative. I bought some of my toys from the same place she did and I also bought some here! http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no… I am not benefiting in any way from providing that link either. That’s not my website. And I’m not selling anything. But my question still stands. What are you doing here? Do you have diabetes? Or are you just here to complain? http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no…

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Wow what a wonderful idea. Thanks Jennifer and Julie ! ! Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > I told Guy my comment to him was my last thought on this nonsense. > But I just saw a commerical post (halloween candy) by renowned > Jennifer, a very respected ASD Regular. > I’m sure there are many other commerical posts by ASD Regulars. So > why the big stink about Conni? I don’t give a rats behind about the > political bullshit about aspertane. I’m more concerned about this > small group of people applying self made rules to certain newbies and > not to themselves. > If ASD regulars can use commerical posts as common everyday chitchat, > then ALL newbies can also use the same. > If ASD regulars can use political, religious, donations, commerical > Sigs, then all newbies can also use the same. > Rules and the charter apply to everybody. It does not mean that a > self ordained control group can do whatever it feels like. > Give it up, will you!? Jennifer simply pointed out (as I did in a previous > post) that she was giving out toys for Halloween instead of candy. And she > provided a link to where she bought the toys in case we wanted to do the > same. Jennifer did not make any money from this. This is not the same > thing as what some other people are doing. And Jennifer’s post was totally > on topic because this is a diabetes newsgroup. Most of us don’t want a lot > of candy in the house and many of us would just as soon not even give out > candy to kids! She merely pointed out a helpful alternative. > I bought some of my toys from the same place she did and I also bought some > here!

http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no… > I am not benefiting in any way from providing that link either. That’s not > my website. And I’m not selling anything. But my question still stands. > What are you doing here? Do you have diabetes? Or are you just here to > complain?

http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I hope you do as I have always taken pride in the website and even tried to help once but I am not good with computers other than getting into trouble. I will look forward to whatever you contribute. The arguing was not you but me. I have a huge migraine and I am the worlds biggest "B" when I have one. My daughter tells me I go from ) – "B" in three seconds when I don’t feel good. I am sorry you thought I meant you. I hope you do participate that would be very nice. Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You may not be talking about me, but I don’t think we’re arguing. As a > matter of fact I’m thinking about doing something about what we’re talking > about. > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it > seems. > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months > that has never taken place. > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested > in making the site the best on the net. > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or > something??? > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > Diana > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > — > > t2_lurking > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever > the > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? > It > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of > the > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better > but > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > Diana > > > > > Alan, > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > this > > > group > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? > Also > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted > them > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > Diana > > > > The Charter is available on

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Jim

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>Di, >If I can contrubuite information or web sites on those things, like gestational >diabetes, let me know… I’d be glad to help when I can. >Ruthie, RN >who likes to help! >Ruthie >Up here in Michigan. >Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. >Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! >and……. >Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

That would be excellent. could the two of you write a piece on what gestational diabetes is. provide links to various legit medical, community(diabetic), and personal story websites? Collect any personal stories from those willing to submit them from here. Please be sure to include info on how gestational diabetes can lead to diabetes later in life. Also how closely a gestational diabetic must be monitored by their medical team, how tightly their BG must be controlled and what meds they may be put on to help them. also, if at all possible, please find out what "don’ts" we should be aware of. If you can’t get the info from the web or the personal experiences of yourselves or others please ask your endos and OBs. Don’t worry about the web page part of it just write the project via email to each other until completed then email to the webmaster address on the site. if you need help from the group on specifics post it to the group and ask those with experience to clarify info or add or correct content. If you two are willing to do this let’s put a rough draft deadline on this of November 1st 2003. we’ll leave the exact content and work load division up to you two. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> I’d love to have Mr. "Kiwi-come-lately" do it, but wouldn’t > everything be upside down?

Being upside down allows the blood to run where it is needed most, the brain I guess the northern hemisphere could be guilty of thinking on their feet? lol.

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That is ok, I understand Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Alan, >how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group >on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also >maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them >here in this group when Jude was around???? >Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > Hi Diana > Thanks for the election victory, but I think it would be a little > presumptuous as a johnny-come-lately to become somehow "official". > However, I might post snippets occasionally as a reply to scammers and > spammers. > I know it won’t stop them, but it’ll make me feel better; > unfortunately, that may result in weekly posting anyway > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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>He/She, is merely here to raise hell. Constant complaining about "the >regulars", Having nothing re: Diabetes to contribute. Sound familiar?

Oh yeah, too familiar, unfortunately….. >Whomever "Sickly" is, if you check his/her message headers, you will >notice he/her has done a good job of altering them to hide his/her >identity. The only people who go to that much trouble to hide their >IDs, do so because they have something to hide.

I can respect someone bashing me if they have the guts to do it to my face. I have no use for a "hit and run" coward. Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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Di, If I can contrubuite information or web sites on those things, like gestational diabetes, let me know… I’d be glad to help when I can. Ruthie, RN who likes to help! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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>I am not benefiting in any way from providing that link either. That’s not >my website. And I’m not selling anything. But my question still stands. >What are you doing here? Do you have diabetes? Or are you just here to >complain?

He/She, is merely here to raise hell. Constant complaining about "the regulars", Having nothing re: Diabetes to contribute. Sound familiar? Whomever "Sickly" is, if you check his/her message headers, you will notice he/her has done a good job of altering them to hide his/her identity. The only people who go to that much trouble to hide their IDs, do so because they have something to hide. This is a diabetes support group. Why would *anyone* have anything to hide? I much better than "plonk" Sleepy Support bacteria. They’re the only culture some people have

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>Alan, >how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group >on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also >maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them >here in this group when Jude was around???? >Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one

Hi Diana Thanks for the election victory, but I think it would be a little presumptuous as a johnny-come-lately to become somehow "official". However, I might post snippets occasionally as a reply to scammers and spammers. I know it won’t stop them, but it’ll make me feel better; unfortunately, that may result in weekly posting anyway Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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I’d love to have Mr. "Kiwi-come-lately" do it, but wouldn’t everything be upside down? <snerk> — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

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Wow that is so nice. Maybe Kate will see your post and forward it to the ones who are "silent" partners with Mack. It would be nice and thanks for your suggestions. I know at one time Mack had asked me to help the women in the group to give stories on "Gestational Diabetes" but I didn’t have luck on it and you could ask about that if you want to. I would really like to see it grow because to be honest it would be good to have a one stop info center for all we have questions about. Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Goody. > My main question would be: > How Can I Help? > I have some toys, Dreamweaver, FrontPage, Flash (MX) and I work in a > prepress enviroment so I have access to stuff, Mac, PC and "other". > My wife and I have our own address, and I manage the address at work, so I > can host anything. > My downside is that I’m totally self-taught, so’s there’s a lot of stuff > that goes right by me. > At any rate, I’m willing to help, but how? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > How is that > Di > > Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or > anyone? > > — > > t2_lurking > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts > her > > > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site > it > > > seems. > > > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" > stories > > > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for > months > > > that has never taken place. > > > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and > it > > > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of > bandwidth > > > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about > it > > > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say > who > > > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > > > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to > mention > > > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems > interested > > > in making the site the best on the net. > > > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new > info or > > > something??? > > > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > > > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > > > Diana > > > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > > > — > > > > t2_lurking > > > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. > The > > > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because > whoever > > > the > > > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the > site?????? > > > It > > > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one > of > > > the > > > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and > better > > > but > > > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > > > Diana > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > > > this > > > > > group > > > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the > job? > > > Also > > > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we > adopted > > > them > > > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > The Charter is available on > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > > > > > Jim

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How is that Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or anyone? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it > seems. > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months > that has never taken place. > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested > in making the site the best on the net. > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or > something??? > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > Diana > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > — > > t2_lurking > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever > the > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? > It > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of > the > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better > but > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > Diana > > > > > Alan, > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > this > > > group > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? > Also > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted > them > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > Diana > > > > The Charter is available on

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Jim

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Goody. My main question would be: How Can I Help? I have some toys, Dreamweaver, FrontPage, Flash (MX) and I work in a prepress enviroment so I have access to stuff, Mac, PC and "other". My wife and I have our own address, and I manage the address at work, so I can host anything. My downside is that I’m totally self-taught, so’s there’s a lot of stuff that goes right by me. At any rate, I’m willing to help, but how? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How is that > Di > Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or > anyone? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts > her > > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site > it > > seems. > > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" > stories > > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for > months > > that has never taken place. > > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and > it > > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of > bandwidth > > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about > it > > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say > who > > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to > mention > > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems > interested > > in making the site the best on the net. > > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new > info or > > something??? > > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > > Diana > > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > > — > > > t2_lurking > > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. > The > > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because > whoever > > the > > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the > site?????? > > It > > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one > of > > the > > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and > better > > but > > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > > Diana > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > > this > > > > group > > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the > job? > > Also > > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we > adopted > > them > > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > > Diana > > > > > The Charter is available on > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > > > > Jim

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Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or anyone? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it > seems. > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months > that has never taken place. > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested > in making the site the best on the net. > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or > something??? > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > Diana > How do you mean the site is dead? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever > the > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? > It > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of > the > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better > but > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > Diana > > > > Alan, > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > this > > group > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? > Also > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted > them > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > Diana > > > The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > > Jim

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No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it seems. Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months that has never taken place. I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested in making the site the best on the net. Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or something??? Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably shouldn’t send this but am anyways. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How do you mean the site is dead? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever the > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? It > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of the > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better but > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > Diana > > > Alan, > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this > group > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > Diana > > The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > Jim

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You may not be talking about me, but I don’t think we’re arguing. As a matter of fact I’m thinking about doing something about what we’re talking about. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

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How do you mean the site is dead? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever the > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? It > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of the > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better but > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > Diana > > Alan, > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this > group > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > Diana > The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > Jim

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Jennifer was anticipating the next question which would have been, Where do you get those. Not that you would have known this, but this subject came up two weeks ago with a whole thread about where to get toys and chocolate eyeballs. If you don’t see the difference then you are just looking for flames. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. > From a google search: >Original charter posted by Jude Crouch >This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes >mellitus, their families and loved ones. > Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information >in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the >disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group >alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of >diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in >the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 >million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health >Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 >million in the next 25 years. >It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, >binaries or HTML. > I told Guy my comment to him was my last thought on this nonsense. > But I just saw a commerical post (halloween candy) by renowned > Jennifer, a very respected ASD Regular. > I’m sure there are many other commerical posts by ASD Regulars. So > why the big stink about Conni? I don’t give a rats behind about the > political bullshit about aspertane. I’m more concerned about this > small group of people applying self made rules to certain newbies and > not to themselves. > If ASD regulars can use commerical posts as common everyday chitchat, > then ALL newbies can also use the same. > If ASD regulars can use political, religious, donations, commerical > Sigs, then all newbies can also use the same. > Rules and the charter apply to everybody. It does not mean that a > self ordained control group can do whatever it feels like.

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> Alan, > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them > here in this group when Jude was around???? > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > Diana

The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org Jim

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> What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……?

Wolf died a year back I believe of Diabetes. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever the webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? It isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of the first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better but that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. Diana

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Alan, how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them here in this group when Jude was around???? Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. > From a google search: > Original charter posted by Jude Crouch > This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes > mellitus, their families and loved ones. > Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information > in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the > disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group > alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of > diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in > the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 > million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health > Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 > million in the next 25 years. > It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. > This is the charter. It is intended that this newsgroup will not have > a separate FAQ, an extensive multi-part Diabetes FAQ exists at > <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/>. " > Personally, I have no problem with the gradual blending of asd, mhd > and afd. I think that is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing. > But repetition of one bit may be useful: > "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. " > PS. I’m not a usenet cop (who’d take any notice of me?? Make my day? > Yeah….sure…) but it would be nice if we attempted to stay within > the charter if possible. > What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……? > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. From a google search: Original charter posted by Jude Crouch This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes mellitus, their families and loved ones. Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 million in the next 25 years. It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, binaries or HTML. alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. This is the charter. It is intended that this newsgroup will not have a separate FAQ, an extensive multi-part Diabetes FAQ exists at <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/>. " Personally, I have no problem with the gradual blending of asd, mhd and afd. I think that is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing. But repetition of one bit may be useful: "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, binaries or HTML. alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. " PS. I’m not a usenet cop (who’d take any notice of me?? Make my day? Yeah….sure…) but it would be nice if we attempted to stay within the charter if possible. What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……? Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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Hi, Jude dropped out of sight without a word. Last I heard Wolf passed away. I have no clue how Jude is doing though he claimed me to be his best friend next to Charlie. Sorry can’t help much. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. > From a google search: > Original charter posted by Jude Crouch > This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes > mellitus, their families and loved ones. > Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information > in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the > disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group > alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of > diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in > the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 > million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health > Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 > million in the next 25 years. > It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. > This is the charter. It is intended that this newsgroup will not have > a separate FAQ, an extensive multi-part Diabetes FAQ exists at > <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/>. " > Personally, I have no problem with the gradual blending of asd, mhd > and afd. I think that is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing. > But repetition of one bit may be useful: > "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. " > PS. I’m not a usenet cop (who’d take any notice of me?? Make my day? > Yeah….sure…) but it would be nice if we attempted to stay within > the charter if possible. > What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……? > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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What is a good hba1c?

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>I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my >meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She >is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input >regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. >Martin

Type 1s and type 2s have different A1c targets do to an increased risk of hypos in type 1s. That being said, an A1c of 8.1 is still to high for a type 1. Your sister needs to get it down into the 6s at the very least into the low 7s. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. > She is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any > input regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Martin

Are you Type 2 ? It is generally easier for a T2 to maintain a lower A1c than a T1 because the likelihood of a T2 going low is much less than for a T1, especially if the T2 is not on insulin. A T1 generally has a harder time keeping their BG in check…opting to go high rather than low because staying a little higher is much less dangerous in the short term. The target A1c for a T2 and T1 are usually different. Some T1’s manager their DM very strictly and can achieve a low A1c but research shows that the major side affect of such tight control is a higher incidence of hypoglycemic episodes. — Usenet Newsgroup Service New Rate! $9.95/Month 50GB

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my > > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. > > She > > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any > > input > > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. > Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not > so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have > trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Why would t1s have more trouble than t2s with hypos? I’m assuming both to be > on > insulin.

Yes, well, not all t2s are on insulin. My guess would be that less than half are. Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise, and just starting metformin — The Episcopal Church welcomes you… and you… and you….

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This post not CC’d by email – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Quentin: > >Mary in OK > OK??? OK doesn’t seem to quite do it. > Renowned for reserve are we in Oklahoma? <grin> >OK is the postal two letter abbreviation for Oklahoma, but the reserve >may be true. I remember cross from Texas into Oklahoma and seeing a sign >that said "no man’s land." It did look any different than Texas. Of >course before Alaska became a State, the Texans could say we have the >biggest of everything, whereas the Californians can still say they have >the best of everything. >Frank

G’day G’day Frank, Perhaps it is a case of dry climates breeding a dry sense of humour. Don’t know what this does for the folks living in Fiordland where the rainfall can be a couple of meters in a bad year. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. > Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not > so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have > trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

Why would t1s have more trouble than t2s with hypos? I’m assuming both to be on insulin. Jon

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Thank you all for your replies. I know very well the risk of hypos; my father, mother, brother, sister and son are diabetic too. My son spent the night in hospital only two weeks ago after a convulsion. The main problem is with my siblings (t1)and parents (t2), who live together. Hba1c’s in double figures are not uncommon and they think they are doing fine when they get down to 8. Yet my father has been practically blinded and my mother has an ulcer on her foot. My 30’s brother has had eye surgery, gastric problems and neuropathy (and god knows what else). My sister is only 25 and isn’t doing too bad right now, but she takes far too many liberties with her diet. None of them have a real grip on their diabetes. I go round for a meal and there is a chocolate cake and bars of chocolate on the table. It makes me despair.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This post not CC’d by email >I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my >meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She >is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input >regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. >Martin > G’day G’day Martin, > It is all a matter of risk analysis. Only about one T2 in two > hundred has a hypo severe enough to put them in the emergency ward. > For T1s it is a very real possibility and their hypos can be life > threatening. For that reason many of them prefer to fly with a little > more altitude. > It makes life simpler if you think of T1 diabetes and T2 diabetes as > being two different diseases. > Imagine for a wild moment that you confused T2 diabetes with > gestational diabetes. You might get ideas that the diabetes would > disappear when the baby was born. Not helpful. <grin> > Best wishes, > — > Quentin Grady ^ ^ / > New Zealand, >#,#< [ > / / > "… and the blind dog was leading." > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Quentin: >Mary in OK > OK??? OK doesn’t seem to quite do it. > Renowned for reserve are we in Oklahoma? <grin>

OK is the postal two letter abbreviation for Oklahoma, but the reserve may be true. I remember cross from Texas into Oklahoma and seeing a sign that said "no man’s land." It did look any different than Texas. Of course before Alaska became a State, the Texans could say we have the biggest of everything, whereas the Californians can still say they have the best of everything. Frank

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This post not CC’d by email >Thank you all for your replies. I know very well the risk of hypos; my >father, mother, brother, sister and son are diabetic too. >My son spent the night in hospital only two weeks ago after a convulsion. >The main problem is with my siblings (t1)and parents (t2), who live >together. Hba1c’s in double figures are not uncommon and they think they are >doing fine when they get down to 8. Yet my father has been practically >blinded and my mother has an ulcer on her foot. My 30’s brother has had eye >surgery, gastric problems and neuropathy (and god knows what else). My >sister is only 25 and isn’t doing too bad right now, but she takes far too >many liberties with her diet. >None of them have a real grip on their diabetes. I go round for a meal and >there is a chocolate cake and bars of chocolate on the table. It makes me >despair.

G’day G’day Martin, There is hope … for the next generation. It must be awful coping emotionally with circumstances like that. One almost has to do a triage. Figure out who is savable and who is not. You and your son have to take top priority. I put you first because without you, your son would have no worthy example. So there is a double onus on you to show what can be achieved and over time he will be able to make his own comparisons based on the consequences he sees around him. If you are lucky your sister might see the light and come around to thinking long and medium turn rather than short term. However even though she is only 25, she is an adult and the bottom line is she will have to make that decision for herself. She hasn’t yet learnt from her 30’s brother’s experience so who knows what will motivate her to change. Whatever. It is obvious you don’t intend to follow in there in footstep. You know what you don’t want. The questions now are focussed on what you do want. What is it you want for you and your son and how can we help you both? Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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This post not CC’d by email >I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my >meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She >is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input >regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. >Martin

G’day G’day Martin, It is all a matter of risk analysis. Only about one T2 in two hundred has a hypo severe enough to put them in the emergency ward. For T1s it is a very real possibility and their hypos can be life threatening. For that reason many of them prefer to fly with a little more altitude. It makes life simpler if you think of T1 diabetes and T2 diabetes as being two different diseases. Imagine for a wild moment that you confused T2 diabetes with gestational diabetes. You might get ideas that the diabetes would disappear when the baby was born. Not helpful. <grin> Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. > Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not > so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have > trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side.

A slight disagreement ( but only slight ) here with you, Julie. It is better still for t1 to adjust their diet and exercise and not leave everything naively to the insulin. Then the 5% club without serious or frequent hypos is definitely possible. Diet? lower carb, but not as far as Atkins, imho. Exercise? lots of it, in everybodys opinion. Insulin? Do NOT assume your doc knows best or is a god, because the sum total of human diabetic knowledge is prolly less than 10% of what there is to know. You may need, or not need, to experiment a bit with different insulins. For controlling those experiments, OldAl is an excellent man to listen to. This post is not in any way intended to criticise you, Julie, just a further expansion on what you said. Al. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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This post not CC’d by email >Speaking of good HbA1C…. >I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 >count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 >Doing the happy dance with him, >Mary in OK

OK??? OK doesn’t seem to quite do it. Renowned for reserve are we in Oklahoma? <grin> G’day G’day, I think you are both brilliant. Well done. What is so neat is you are as thrilled as he is. Fabulous that you can celebrate together. Hope you have some celebrations planned or about to hatch some plans. Hey, the numbers are one thing, the change of life for the better is something indescribably better. Best wishes to you both. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Great news! A Happy Dance Couple! Do the Dance guys! Good job to ypur DH and to you Mary, for your support! — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Speaking of good HbA1C…. > I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 > count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 > Doing the happy dance with him, > Mary in OK

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> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome.

Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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That is, like, way cool! You both must be really happy! — c website http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

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The top dogs in the U.S. diabetes treatment, the AACE, assert that 6.5 is the maximum "acceptable". T1 have a rougher time hitting that value because of the danger of going hypo. However, much of that "danger of hypo" is related to the older insulins like R and N. With the newer, more poweful insulins, it is easier to hit those HbA1c. Humalog or Novolog + Lantus is a pretty good combo which allows one to hit lower HbA1c while avoiding hypos. The newest basal insulin, Insulin Detemir, has promise for beating Lantus (if you are willing to shoot it three times a day that is). Regards Old Al (T1 on Humalog and Ultralente) How much insulin do I shoot each day? As much as I need that day. How often do I shoot each day? As often as I need to that day, 7, 9, 12 shots or whatever. What’s my HbA1c on that regime? 5.7

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He deserves a big kiss and maybe more for that splinted effort. TerryR > Speaking of good HbA1C…. > I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on

May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 > Doing the happy dance with him, > Mary in OK

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Speaking of good HbA1C…. I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 Doing the happy dance with him, Mary in OK

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That’s fantastic progress in such a short period! Congratulations to both of you! — T2 – HbA1c: 5.3% http://www.bollar.org/diabetes.htm

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I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. Martin

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It needs to be <6.5% according to the AACE. http://www.aace.com/pub/press/releases/index.php?r=20010821 I understand that T1s have a harder time with control, so perhaps there’s more to your sister’s situation than you know. — T2 – HbA1c: 5.3% http://www.bollar.org/diabetes.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Martin

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Test Test Test?

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Good…. I like to stir the pot a little as you can tell but we all need a new perspective now and again. Paradyne (sp?) shift if you will. But here is the question and if you don’t know the correct answer than you may need to think a little more about multiple daily testing and how to interpret it. Question: Which is more harmful? 1) 1, 2, 4 hrs PP ( 140, 180, 140) or 2) 190, 150 120). If you are not sure than you also may not be sure how to interpret what you are eating. The answer is related to "area under the time curve" which is best correlated with HGLA1-C exclusively. Get my point.?? So good ..people I’ll be back with you after a little RV road trip in the NW.. Be well.. Larry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good…. I like to stir the pot a little as you can tell but we all need a new > perspective now and again. Paradyne (sp?) shift if you will. But here is the > question and if you don’t know the correct answer than you may need to think a > little more about multiple daily testing and how to interpret it. Question: > Which is more harmful? 1) 1, 2, 4 hrs PP ( 140, 180, 140) or 2) 190, 150 120). > If you are not sure than you also may not be sure how to interpret what you are > eating. The answer is related to "area under the time curve" which is best > correlated with HGLA1-C exclusively. Get my point.?? So good ..people I’ll be > back with you after a little RV road trip in the NW.. Be well.. > Larry

Quick answer — spiking to 190 or higher is "never" a good thing (regardless of the "time curve"). We should be seeing something more like 150, then 130, then 110. For example, I just took a pre-dinner BG and it was 99. I should see a spike after dinner to maybe 150, then a few hours later back to around 120. For me, these are my goal numbers and I test to make sure they are staying there. My doc guides me in this regard as we have always worked closely together on my disease management. If those numbers change dramatically, you can bet he’ll be getting a call. Just my 2 cents worth. With that, Larry — I hope you have a great trip. We’ll see ya when you get back. v/r Arnie – Type 2 since ‘02

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> Maybe I am in the minority because I have shredded wheat for 95% of my > breakfasts and pretty much the same can of soup everyday and for dinner one > kind of meat or another and a nice salad. Even a glass of wine. Not very much > variation I guess considering your standards but I do enjoy my meals.

I eat the same foods for breakfast each morning. The only thing I vary is the amount of carbs I eat because my BG is usually too high in the morning. I eat the same thing for lunch every day unless I am away from home. My dinners vary. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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We all know it is better if you do not spike. The "under the curve idea" has some creditability. This assumes the process is linear. There is no consensus that is true. All I know is I still develop immediate problems when the blood sugar reaches about 150. In earlier days I used to dump glucose in my urine about 150. So the question in my mind is there a threshold level. of damage. I would be much happier if I had normal blood sugars. In my case it is very difficult to not see some unacceptable spikes. If I remember the modified eating process made this nearly possible in the early days. Can’t do it over. Guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good…. I like to stir the pot a little as you can tell but we all need a >new > perspective now and again. Paradyne (sp?) shift if you will. But here is >the > question and if you don’t know the correct answer than you may need to >think a > little more about multiple daily testing and how to interpret it. >Question: > Which is more harmful? 1) 1, 2, 4 hrs PP ( 140, 180, 140) or 2) 190, 150 >120). > If you are not sure than you also may not be sure how to interpret what >you are > eating. The answer is related to "area under the time curve" which is best > correlated with HGLA1-C exclusively. Get my point.?? So good ..people I’ll >be > back with you after a little RV road trip in the NW.. Be well.. > Larry >Quick answer — spiking to 190 or higher is "never" a good thing (regardless >of the "time curve"). We should be seeing something more like 150, then >130, then 110. For example, I just took a pre-dinner BG and it was 99. I >should see a spike after dinner to maybe 150, then a few hours later back to >around 120. For me, these are my goal numbers and I test to make sure they >are staying there. My doc guides me in this regard as we have always worked >closely together on my disease management. If those numbers change >dramatically, you can bet he’ll be getting a call. Just my 2 cents worth. >With that, Larry — I hope you have a great trip. We’ll see ya when you get >back. >v/r >Arnie – >Type 2 since ‘02

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I dont know how long you have been a diabetic, but I know for myself that if I ate the same thing every day at all three meals, they would have to cart me away, I know that variety is the spice of life and I want that spice, I eat a different breakfast seven days a week and lunch is different and so is dinner, I have to test before each meal so I know how many carbs I have eaten and after to see how those carbs affected my bgs, I pretty much have it down pat which carbs affect me the most, but I like to see it in front of me to be sure, I also keep a log book of all my tests that I bring to the endo on my three months visit, I believe the majority of the types IIs and perhaps types ones even more test as it is our best weapon because it gives us knowledge as to what is happening in our bodies. A person who chooses not to test,. just might become more complacent, because who will know but him. Loretta jmo — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Maybe I am in the minority because I have shredded wheat for 95% of my breakfasts and pretty much the same can of soup everyday and for dinner one kind of meat or another and a nice salad. Even a glass of wine. Not very much variation I guess considering your standards but I do enjoy my meals. Larry

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And that’s great, Larry if it works for you. And it might be great for a number of folks here. But as I read the responses, I think the majority consensus is that testing is vitally important and should be done multiple times a day. The strips I use in my meter cost $85.00 per hundred, and I go through them about every six weeks. However, I think that is a small price to pay to be able to vary my diet and exercise while still keeping those BGs in line. Simply put, it is the knowing for "sure" that gives us peace of mind. And with this disease, that’s absolute gold. v/r Arnie –

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>Well if you think about it a disfunctional pancrease like all glands may lag >during sleeping hours in secreting more insulin particularly if some beta cell >damage has occurred. You have incorrectly presumed that I am NOT obese and >furthermore that I do NOT multiple test. The question was throwned out to any >who have been successful with my original premise not that I have been >successful at it either. So maybe you and I are in the same boat afterall!! >Larry (not E)

one common issue with type 2s is that they most often produce too much insulin even while sleeping as a result of insulin resistance. when you mention beta cell damage and loss of insulin production you are bring up a distinct situation that all type 2s will not experience. for clear discussion of these separate issues they need to be kept separate. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much. If >one’s diet is strictly limted to certain foods only which are shown to control >BG levels for a particular individual and then just stick to that diet (yes >nearly the same food every day just like breakfast) for every meal of every day >and do not deviate except occasionally then testing would always give the same >results unless a medicine change is needed. This is assuming not having a >weight problem to begin with. I suppose multiple testing is much more important >for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and >variety very well. Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same >food for breakfast, why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow >burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night. Of >course the same would be beneficial if lunch was the main meal of the day. Just >some thoughts from a new comer with type 2 diabetes. ..Larry

first a type 2 in good control can safely reduce the frequency of testing. let’s see: if one does not test frequently as a type 2: you would not know when your body’s requirements change and they will change you would be extremely limited in dietary choices. you would not have any freedom to alter sleep patterns or exercise or meal times. you would not detect early signs of illness or excessive stress as high BGs are often an indicator many of us have found that "when" we eat certain types of food is just as critical as how much we eat. (regardless of being type 1 or 2 or gestational) breakfast is not the best time for a type 2 to eat his/her largest meal. Lunch or dinner is very much an individual thing. What and how much you eat also plays a big role in how your BG will fluctuate while sleeping and just before waking. eating correctly before bed can prevent excessively high BGs upon waking. Your questions are great but your conclusions so far are mistaken. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> Well if you think about it a disfunctional pancrease like all glands may lag > during sleeping hours in secreting more insulin particularly if some beta cell > damage has occurred.

If the pancreas is slow to make enough insulin, then it’s after meals when more insulin is needed. It’s had plenty of time over night to catup if that were needed. E

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Yes, probably so . . . . if you can stand eating the same foods prepared the same way everyday for the rest of your life. Most people feel a need for variety. If you don’t, then this would probably work. Although there are other factors: stress, infections, illnesses, how much exercise you’re getting. These factors change and can change the way a specific food affects you. > This is assuming not having a > weight problem to begin with.

Weight or calories has nothing to do with it. BG control is carb control. Some carbs spike you more than others. > I suppose multiple testing is much more important > for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and > variety very well.

Well, aren’t you the arogant bastard. You sure are luck to have perfect control of everything you do. Uhh. except how’d you come down with diabetes? What weakness of personality or will power did you suffer, o’ perfect one. Was your eating out of control or were you just too lazy to exercise? Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same > food for breakfast, why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow > burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night.

80% of the calories you burn are through basal metabolism. It doesn’t matter whether you’re awake or asleep. The remaining 20% are your option, but diabetics are more insulin resistant in the mornings, so you can expect those foods to cause higher bgs in the mornings. E

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Nothing is static. One’s ability to control BG through medication, diet and exercise will decline with time, not improve. Wouldn’t you want to track that? Testing is especially important to those of us who are recently diagnosed and still fumbling around trying to figure out WHAT we can eat, WHEN we can eat it and in what portions. I was at 91 this evening before dinner of italian sausage on the grill, potato salad and a large baby spinach salad dressed up with sliced mushrooms, cherry tomatoes and oil and vinegar dressing. I was at 104 one hour after. Based on those numbers and how I felt, I should _not_ have done without the roll I had bought to have with dinner. The experiment continues. (91 was actually too low for me. I had skipped my afternoon snack and was feeling pretty woozy!) I was _never_ one to eat breakfast, usually making do with a large mug of coffee and half a pack of cigarettes. I know now that this has been reinforced of late due to my AM liver dump and this behavior is something I have to change. I look at testing as milestones in my drive for control. I’m up to six times a day and I don’t anticipate cutting back anytime soon. Regards, James the Elder

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Well if you think about it a disfunctional pancrease like all glands may lag during sleeping hours in secreting more insulin particularly if some beta cell damage has occurred. You have incorrectly presumed that I am NOT obese and furthermore that I do NOT multiple test. The question was throwned out to any who have been successful with my original premise not that I have been successful at it either. So maybe you and I are in the same boat afterall!! Larry (not E)

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>It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much.

Why? >If >one’s diet is strictly limted to certain foods only which are shown to control >BG levels for a particular individual and then just stick to that diet (yes >nearly the same food every day just like breakfast) for every meal of every day >and do not deviate except occasionally then testing would always give the same >results unless a medicine change is needed.

Well that sounds reasonable but there are many factors which constantly change – other than the food. So sticking to a strict type/quantity/quality/time/preparation etc would not necessarlity produce the same effect day after day. To assume so is a mistake. For a start it assumes the medication and other body produced enzymes will be exactly the same day to day. It certainly does not take into account dawn effect. >This is assuming not having a >weight problem to begin with. I suppose multiple testing is much more important >for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and >variety very well. Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same >food for breakfast, why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow >burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night. Of >course the same would be beneficial if lunch was the main meal of the day. Just >some thoughts from a new comer with type 2 diabetes. ..Larry

You can try your idea and let us know. But you see Larry we all have slightly differing circumstances and daily routines so it is not easy to come up with a regime which will allow more than one person to rely soley on the method you suggest. I need either a very low carb breakfast or none at all. I vary it according to my anticipated workload for the day which also varies. My lunch is usually protein and carb and evening meal non carb. I have experimented to come up with *my* solution which works for me. But you see without testing my body’s response to various foods and other factors I’d have a pretty useless time guessing. Wouldn’t I? Besides, I prefer to get this thing stable and under control before some other part of me give up the ghost. Your suggestion is likely IMO to do just the opposite. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide

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> I not so sure more insulin resistant in the morning is the issue. I rather > think lower insulin levels in the morning is a bigger contributing factor. > Larry.

Lower insulin levels? Why would that happen? Where did you come across this idea? E

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I not so sure more insulin resistant in the morning is the issue. I rather think lower insulin levels in the morning is a bigger contributing factor. Larry.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much. If > one’s diet is strictly limted to certain foods only which are shown to control > BG levels for a particular individual and then just stick to that diet (yes > nearly the same food every day just like breakfast) for every meal of every day > and do not deviate except occasionally then testing would always give the same > results unless a medicine change is needed. This is assuming not having a > weight problem to begin with. I suppose multiple testing is much more important > for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and > variety very well. Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same > food for breakfast, why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow > burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night. Of > course the same would be beneficial if lunch was the main meal of the day. Just > some thoughts from a new comer with type 2 diabetes. ..Larry

Hi Larry. Are you newly diagnosed, or are you just letting of steam?? I read your post twice, and I am still not sure if it was a rant or an attempt to bait a heated debate. Mom is T2 and insulin dependent. The thoughts you share in your post reveal to me the same attitude I see every day in folks who don’t know that T2 diabetics are just as vulnerable to bg swings as T1s are….or even more common, don’t realize that T2s inject insulin (in fact, the majority of insulin sold in the US is sold to T2s). Obesity?? Unable to control their food intake in quantity and variety??? Mom was 4′11" and 185 at dx in March of 2002. Today she is a svelte 138 pounds — and she STILL must rely on multiple daily testing and injected insulin. If Mom didn’t test multiple times throughout the day, we would not know as soon as we do when it is time to make adjustments to her basal injection. We would get blind-sided other health issue that are effected by bg levels. Oh, and just because cheerios with a little milk and a side of coffee was good yesterday, it may not be today. Conversely, the big country breakfast of bacon, eggs and hashbrowns that sent her bg high enough to need a bolus injection before lunch last week was a good breakfast two days ago in that her bg was 97 at 2 hours pp. Yes, you can stick to just the same seven foods that you have discovered will not send your bg sky high……but I don’t think it will satisfy the variety part of a healthy diet. We eat all kinds of different foods around here….many that would not seem to fit into a diabetic diet (hamburgers, pizza, ice cream). Portion control is the key, and the only way to determine a safe portion is to test. Marie, Caretaker

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For people like myself testing frequently is necessary. With no insulin and a unconscious hypo being easy, I am forced to a test,calculate, and shoot mode. In the first stages of T2 it is not as important after you establish the parameters. It may require a lot of test to establish your routine. But it serves as an audit on your behavior. Many are prone to cheat and rationalize. That old meter tattles on you. I believe that if I were starting out I would stay with more tests for a while. I will say the following. My first progress in years was made when I decided to hell with the strip cost and ran a big testing program. Found out the real damage was being done by out of insulin "liver dumps". It was not an easy routine to find this out but it made a great difference in my life. But by this time a great deal of unnecessary damage had resulted. Guy

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IMHO… I don’t think obesity matters. However, changes to your chol level and weight will affect your insulin resistence. So the ’same’ food will have a different effect, especially if you lose, or gain, weight, or your chol changes. Likewise a regular regiment of exercise will affect tolerance and you will find BGs for a ’standard’ meal will eventually vary. However, once my weight stabilized (I took off a lot or weight) and I saw that I could eat something without a problem – especially breakfast, I did start to test breakfast PP less and less – and now I just check up on it now and then to make sure . But I’ll emphasize this is after my A1C was below 6 so I had achieved decent control (and it’s continued to go down), if it did not, I would start testing more Also keep in mind that a test tells you what you are after you ate, but if you do not know what you were before, you can’t be sure of the outcome. If you are already somewhat high, the impact might be different. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much. If >one’s diet is strictly limted to certain foods only which are shown to control >BG levels for a particular individual and then just stick to that diet (yes >nearly the same food every day just like breakfast) for every meal of every day >and do not deviate except occasionally then testing would always give the same >results unless a medicine change is needed. This is assuming not having a >weight problem to begin with. I suppose multiple testing is much more important >for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and >variety very well. Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same >food for breakfast, why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow >burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night. Of >course the same would be beneficial if lunch was the main meal of the day. Just >some thoughts from a new comer with type 2 diabetes. ..Larry

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Unfortunately, you are forgetting two things. Or perhaps you didn’t know. One is that the body is the most insulin resistant first thing in the morning. This is the reason many of us find we can’t eat much for breakfast. Or at least not as many carbs as we can later in the day. Second, diabetes is a progressive disease. As time goes on, you become more insulin resistant and/or your beta cells burn out. So what once worked for you no longer works. That’s why the testing is vital. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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This issue may get a little more confusing since testing is most important for Type 1 diabetics and that information has contributed to the cross over to type 2s testing. Everyone has good points to bring out.. Larry

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: It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much. If : one’s diet is strictly limted to certain foods only which are shown to control : BG levels for a particular individual and then just stick to that diet i test every few days but i couldnt tell someone who feels that they must test so often not to. and i wouldnt tell someone that tests as little as i do that they are right. i think its an individual thing. (yes : nearly the same food every day just like breakfast) for every meal of every day lol i certainly wouldnt want to go through life eating the same thing every day. and i do not think any doctor would. : and do not deviate except occasionally then testing would always give the same : results unless a medicine change is needed. This is assuming not having a : weight problem to begin with. I suppose multiple testing is much more important : for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and : variety very well. also beginners, il tell you one thing tho with how much i spend on health insurance i would laugh at them if they told me they wouldnt give me the few dollars for test strips. but yes i think some do abuse it or they just dont know better or for some reason they need to. in anycase its a individual thing. Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same : food for breakfast, not me why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow : burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night. mostly my diet is 5 equal meals of 40 carbs each. Of : course the same would be beneficial if lunch was the main meal of the day. Just : some thoughts from a new comer with type 2 diabetes. ..Larry Larry did you see a dietitian? i don’t think you did or you wouldn’t have said certain things.. dietitians are a great weapon in fighting diabetes especially for people who don’t know much about nutrition. Sushi-Boy

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Larry, I must respectfully disagree with your take on this. In my mind, testing is vitally important for diabetics. It is the one means of knowing where we stand at any given moment. As our bodies change, so can the BGs. Other than diet — stress, illness, sleep patterns, and variances in exercise can have a huge effect from day to day. It is ALWAYS better to be safe than sorry. Even though my numbers are very good, I test at least twice a day and will continue to do so as a preventative measure. The small cost involved is well worth it. v/r Arnie –

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> It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much.

I think you are probably right once the person knows what they can and cannot handle. It is, however, important to test frequently until one is sure where they stand with various foods. I used to check about eight times a day, but as my diet became somewhat standardized, it became unnecessary to check unless I was having something radically different. Cost is a big consideration for many. Another factor in how often one tests may be for a feeling of security — different strokes for different folks! Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001 Beating it with diet and exercise! 297/215/210 (to be revised lower) 58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!) Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/ Visit my very special website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/ Visit my CFSRS/CFIOG ONLINE OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/ Irv Finkleman, Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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It seems to me that multiple daily testing Re: Type 2 Diabetes is too much. If one’s diet is strictly limted to certain foods only which are shown to control BG levels for a particular individual and then just stick to that diet (yes nearly the same food every day just like breakfast) for every meal of every day and do not deviate except occasionally then testing would always give the same results unless a medicine change is needed. This is assuming not having a weight problem to begin with. I suppose multiple testing is much more important for those obese diabetics who can’t control their food intake in quantity and variety very well. Another thought…since most of us tend to have the same food for breakfast, why not just switch breakfast for dinner which would allow burning off big meal calories during the day and less a burden at night. Of course the same would be beneficial if lunch was the main meal of the day. Just some thoughts from a new comer with type 2 diabetes. ..Larry

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Numbers are coming down (although slowly)!

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Hi BJ…yes, my thyroid was tested during the blood panel. I dont have the results in front of me, but it was well within the normal range. Nancy

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>Nancy if a person starts with a 400 and goes to 150 that would be a low >for then although not a technical low It all depends on how you feel, >If you can ride it, then try, If not treat it, It is how you feel that >counts How can we tell you ride it out or not, We cant feel your >feelings, >btw what is a DE. I dont think I ever heard that. You are really >learning about diabetes and that is great, continued success. >Loretta

DE = Diabetes Educator Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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check the numbers — recent aace opinions have revised the upper limits of "normal" downward a bit, to about 3 (I think). bj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi BJ…yes, my thyroid was tested during the blood panel. I dont have the > results in front of me, but it was well within the normal range. > Nancy

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Hi bj…in response to your TSH question…my number was 2.77….for my lab, .35-5.5 is normal. So, even if they moved the norm down some, I’m still below it LOL. Nancy

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> My cholesterol was only 172…not saying that that is great, but for the way > I have eaten all my life, its pretty good! But, my triglycerides were 815!

High triglycerides (TG) are usually associated with high very low density lipids (VLDL). The level and size of the LDL may increase as your TGs go down. The goal for LDL for a T2 is less than 100. Frank

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Have you had your thyroid tested? That can also be related to difficulties with getting/maintaining pregnancy. Look for tests with names like TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone), T4, free T4, T3. You have a right to a copy of your lab reports! You shouldn’t have to beg. If necessary (balky staffers), write a short note to the doctor and enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope to emphasize the point. Good luck to you, and congrats on getting a handle on all this. bj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have had 3 miscarriages in the past, and no one has ever tried to > find out why. I lost the pregnancies all before I had the chance to get the > blood work done, so I can’t say that anyone had my numbers and ignored it. > But you would think that after I tell the OB that I’ve had previous > recurrent miscarriages, that they would wonder why? Anyway, the DE said that > she would bet on the fact that the diabetes had something to do with the > miscarriages. > I practically had to beg, but I got a copy of my bloodwork too.

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Nancy if a person starts with a 400 and goes to 150 that would be a low for then although not a technical low It all depends on how you feel, If you can ride it, then try, If not treat it, It is how you feel that counts How can we tell you ride it out or not, We cant feel your feelings, btw what is a DE. I dont think I ever heard that. You are really learning about diabetes and that is great, continued success. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, just wanted to up date you. First of all, I went to the DE > yesterday, and she is great! Very nice lady, RN-DE….she knows alot and is > very good at getting the info across to you. She weighed me and her scale > shows I’ve lost 6 1/2 lbs since Monday. But….*sigh*….since its a > different scale, I’m not putting too much weight (no pun intended lol) into > this. But it did look good on paper > She took me into the room and made me do a finger stick, just to make sure I > know what I’m doing. She helped alot with the diet thing, although she isn’t > a dietician. My main thing is that I would like a list of low carb-low GI > foods that I can just pick and choose from I visited the Mendosa website, > and between that site, some of his links, and the info from the dietician, I > think that I’ve almost gotten the list that I want. I am going to continue > searching until I get a comprehensive list of foods, and then go from there, > re learning what foods that MY body can deal with. > With the meds that I’m on, my numbers are coming down just a little. The DE > suggested (after I told my hubby that morning that I was going to ask her > lol) that I ask the dr. if they will up my meds. I was on 500mg Glucophage > twice a day and 1 5mg Glucotrol a day. I went to the dr. after the DE and > asked and they upped the meds to 2 glucotrol a day. But, I went a little > further (the dr. office was getting ready to close early, they were having > their power turned off for construction reasons and were very rushed) and > upped my Glucophage to 2 in the morning and one at night. I’m sure that the > dr. would agree to this if they had had enough time to see me. As it was, a > nurse/secretary/someone just wrote my question down on a piece of paper and > ran it back to the dr. and came out and told me to up the glucotrol The DE > told me that they would probably up the glucophage to 1500mg and up the > glucotrol to 10mg/day anyway. So, I went ahead and did it on my own. I go > back to the dr. on Monday for a real appointment, so I’ll inform them of > what I did then. > The DE mentioned the glucose toxicity (just like someone else in here did, > ty!) and said that for the time being, don’t try to start a vigorous > exercise plan right now, but just to take it easy, walking or something low > impact. I have had 3 miscarriages in the past, and no one has ever tried to > find out why. I lost the pregnancies all before I had the chance to get the > blood work done, so I can’t say that anyone had my numbers and ignored it. > But you would think that after I tell the OB that I’ve had previous > recurrent miscarriages, that they would wonder why? Anyway, the DE said that > she would bet on the fact that the diabetes had something to do with the > miscarriages. > I practically had to beg, but I got a copy of my bloodwork too. I was > suprised by most of the numbers, because most were better than I imagined. > My cholesterol was only 172…not saying that that is great, but for the way > I have eaten all my life, its pretty good! But, my triglycerides were 815! I > dont’ know much about all of this stuff, so I came home and read up on all > of it. The info that I got suggests that a high triglyceride isn’t unusual > in an out of control diabetic, and that once I get my numbers down, that the > triglycerides will go down too. I sure hope so! Everything else was pretty > normal…I had a slightly high white count and a very slightly high red > count also. Could that be related to the diabetes? > I have really been trying to watch what I’m eating, and the numbers are > showing it too. This is going to sound funny to you guys in here who are in > control of your numbers, but to me, the fact that I’ve been in the 200s most > times in the last few days is great to me! To go from consistent 400s to > consisten (well, almost lol) 200s is something for me to be glad about and > have hope that I may EVENTUALLY get these numbers down to a normal level! > The DE also told me that since I’ve been high for a while, that the first > few times that I go to even 150 or so, that I may feel hypo….she told me > that if I can’t stand it, treat it…but she said that she’d rather me try > to ride it through, since its not REALLY a low, just my body reacting to not > as much sugar. Have any of you gone "low" when you weren’t REALLY low? Did > you just ride it through or treat it? Was it REALLY bad? How long did it > take to feel normal again? > Well, I guess thats it. My hubby bought a Reese cup last night (my favorite > candy lol) and I didn’t even feel TEMPTED to eat it! Yay for me! > Nancy

I was under the weather for a few days but have been reading your posts. You are doing great and it sounds like you have a pretty good team behind you. Keep it up. c

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> Yikes…so, when I go low, I can expect tiredness and a headache? I had seen > my sister go pretty low (low 30s) many times, but all I could physically see > is that she was very shaky. She never mentioned a headache or tiredness, but > then again, she could have had those and just not mentioned them :) > Thanks for the advice about what to do. I think that I probably will just > try to ride it out….like I said in my earlier post, I KNOW that I’m not > REALLY low, just my body thinking that I am. So, I doubt (and please, anyone > correct me if I’m wrong!) that I will be actually doing any harm if I just > ride it out.

Everyone experiences hypos differently. And every hypo you have *might* be different. I’ve never had a headache, although I’ve heard others say they get them. Mostly, I get the shakes, feel confused, sometimes sick to my stomach, break out in a cold sweat, feel dizzy and maybe really sleepy. The sleepiness can last even after the hypo is over. If I have too many of them in one day, I feel just like a wet noodle. Other times, I have no symptoms at all. I think it depends on how rapidly my BG drops. If your BG in fact is NOT low, you are not doing your body any harm to ride it out. You WILL be doing your body harm by eating enough carbs to raise your BG. That’s why I said if necessary, eat 5g of carbs. No more. Just the other day, I felt really spaced out and thought perhaps I had high BG. For me, high BG and hypos can feel the same. The reason I suspected high BG was that I had eaten something other than my normal meal and wasn’t entirely sure how many carbs I had consumed. Can’t remember now what I ate, but I think I had dined out. Tested my BG and it was 113. Not high. Not low. I can only suspect that there had been a rapid drop in BG or maybe something totally unrelated to the diabetes. I then ate a bite (very small bite)of Rugula and rested until I felt better. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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>You’re exactly right! I know that I shouldn’t eat that stuff, and I >won’t…for the most part. I’m sure the day will come (probably sooner than >later lol) when I CAN’T/DON’T resist the urge to eat a candy bar. But I >won’t worry about that, its not going to kill me, just depress me for a day >lol…but sometimes chocolate just takes over! >Nancy

You should check out the De-Lite bars. :-) If you can handle the sorbital and maltilol, they are yummy!! Linda Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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You’re exactly right! I know that I shouldn’t eat that stuff, and I won’t…for the most part. I’m sure the day will come (probably sooner than later lol) when I CAN’T/DON’T resist the urge to eat a candy bar. But I won’t worry about that, its not going to kill me, just depress me for a day lol…but sometimes chocolate just takes over! Nancy

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>Hi, and ty so much for your encouragement and suggestions! I have already >gone and downloaded the software for the graph you suggested. I just have to >fill it in now! LOL >I am using the Acsensia DEX and from what I’ve learned, they have their own >software that you can transfer your results from the meter to the computer. >But you have to send away for it, and that seems, at least right now, to be >a hassle LOL. So, I will use the one you suggested and just input the >numbers manually. Thanks again! >Nancy

Nancy, You can actually download it off their website. :-) I was using it for a while. :-) http://software.ascensia.com/ Here is the site to download the software. You’ll need to purchase the cable for it, though. You can do that at http://www.glucometerstore.com/ Linda Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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No you’re right, riding it out will do no harm, except perhaps drive you stark raving mad. Thats why I listed zero carb foods, often the body thinks it’s starving during a low. You are horribly hungry.. Eat zero carbs no need to suffer. Everyone is different, but whether a real low or coming down from high, low. Many get that tired feeling along with a bad headache. Just be aware if you do experience it, this could be the reason. Good Luck. RK T1 – 5/00 : Yikes…so, when I go low, I can expect tiredness and a headache? I had seen : my sister go pretty low (low 30s) many times, but all I could physically see : is that she was very shaky. She never mentioned a headache or tiredness, but : then again, she could have had those and just not mentioned them :) : Thanks for the advice about what to do. I think that I probably will just : try to ride it out….like I said in my earlier post, I KNOW that I’m not : REALLY low, just my body thinking that I am. So, I doubt (and please, anyone : correct me if I’m wrong!) that I will be actually doing any harm if I just : ride it out. : Nancy : :

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Nanc.. I would imaging the reason you were not tempted to the Reeses is because YOU are taking control and are seeing some results and that puts you on a high. (high emotion) This is what has worked for me…:) Continued good luck. Memory

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >:Have any of you gone "low" when you weren’t REALLY low? Did >:you just ride it through or treat it? Was it REALLY bad? How long did it >:take to feel normal again? >Yes I have, you feel totally rotten, not as bad as a real low, but >nonetheless. >Yes, the best thing is try to ride it out. I did find that eating zero carb >foods >was a good trick to play on my body. Such as cheese or few 100 slices >of beef stick, or grab some veggies, celery was a good one. It’s the idea >your >eating. After a few times, but each of us is different. >Expect the nice headache and tiredness you get with it as well. >Good Luck.

Fortunately it only lasts a couple of weeks. I had it BAD! I barely functioned. I felt low almost 100% of the time. I was told to sit and ride it out.. so I did.. It did work. Then I started getting REAL lows with exercise.. and well, we resolved that, too. :-) Linda Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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> Hi Jennifer….thanks for your encouragement! I am going to do a search on > the PCOS thing you talked about…I’ve heard of it before but never really > knew what it meant. Actually, I still don’t LOL…but I will here shortly. I > was diagnosed when I was 20 with an ovarian cyst…they never did anything > to it, but it usually causes pain when I ovulate. Could this cyst have > anything to do/be any forewarning of PCOS??

ABSOLUTELY!! Sorry for the shouting… but so many women never get dx’d with PCOS, even though all the warning signs are there. I’m betting you’ll find some surprising things as you begin to search… A lot of "Aha!" moments. I don’t have it myself, but being on these newsgroups and other mailing lists over the years, I’ve seen many many many female diabetics who also have PCOS. Metformin (Glucophage) is standard therapy for PCOS women… so it’s good you’re already using it. Let me know what you come up with. > Also, are you the same Jennifer that gives such great advice to us newbies? > If so, first of all, thanks for all your info….I have printed many of the > things that I have seen from you, just because they are a great source!

That’s me… I’m glad they helped. > Secondly, it means even more to me to hear you say I’m doing good..sometimes > we need the encouragement! LOL

Oh you have it! Jennifer

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Hi, and ty so much for your encouragement and suggestions! I have already gone and downloaded the software for the graph you suggested. I just have to fill it in now! LOL I am using the Acsensia DEX and from what I’ve learned, they have their own software that you can transfer your results from the meter to the computer. But you have to send away for it, and that seems, at least right now, to be a hassle LOL. So, I will use the one you suggested and just input the numbers manually. Thanks again! Nancy

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Yikes…so, when I go low, I can expect tiredness and a headache? I had seen my sister go pretty low (low 30s) many times, but all I could physically see is that she was very shaky. She never mentioned a headache or tiredness, but then again, she could have had those and just not mentioned them :) Thanks for the advice about what to do. I think that I probably will just try to ride it out….like I said in my earlier post, I KNOW that I’m not REALLY low, just my body thinking that I am. So, I doubt (and please, anyone correct me if I’m wrong!) that I will be actually doing any harm if I just ride it out. Nancy

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Hi Jennifer….thanks for your encouragement! I am going to do a search on the PCOS thing you talked about…I’ve heard of it before but never really knew what it meant. Actually, I still don’t LOL…but I will here shortly. I was diagnosed when I was 20 with an ovarian cyst…they never did anything to it, but it usually causes pain when I ovulate. Could this cyst have anything to do/be any forewarning of PCOS?? Also, are you the same Jennifer that gives such great advice to us newbies? If so, first of all, thanks for all your info….I have printed many of the things that I have seen from you, just because they are a great source! Secondly, it means even more to me to hear you say I’m doing good..sometimes we need the encouragement! LOL Nancy

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Good job on making progress! You might find it motivating to graph your bG readings so you can actually SEE your improvement. I have a LifeScan meter and use their software — but you can do it yourself with this free software by this newsgroup’s own "Hi_Therre": http://wave.prohosting.com/ugleeeee/index.html — Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, just wanted to up date you.

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Julie…thanks for your reply! I understand that I am not in a position to just go raising my meds anytime that I feel like it LOL. The fact is, I didn’t just dream up this idea in my head….my DE suggested it, upping BOTH meds. When I went to the dr. I didn’t actually get to SEE the dr….if I had, I would have asked (and I’m almost positive, been granted) the permission to up the Glucophage to 1500mg/day. As I have read in most places, and heard from almost everyone that has an opinion, Glucophage isn’t even all that helpful until you get to at least 1500mg/day. That, coupled with the fact that Glucophage in general doesn’t cause hypos….well, I don’t see anything wrong with the fact that I upped it one pill myself. I do go to the dr. on Monday, and if they tell me that they don’t want me to do that, then I’ll stop. But I have a feeling that they’ll be fine with it. Plus…I did it this am and I’m doing fine so far. The med that I worry about is the Glucotrol, since it CAN and does give you hypos. But, I am so far, so good. Nancy

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:Have any of you gone "low" when you weren’t REALLY low? Did :you just ride it through or treat it? Was it REALLY bad? How long did it :take to feel normal again? Yes I have, you feel totally rotten, not as bad as a real low, but nonetheless. Yes, the best thing is try to ride it out. I did find that eating zero carb foods was a good trick to play on my body. Such as cheese or few 100 slices of beef stick, or grab some veggies, celery was a good one. It’s the idea your eating. After a few times, but each of us is different. Expect the nice headache and tiredness you get with it as well. Good Luck.

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Nancy… You are doing GREAT. Coming down slow, is still coming down. As long as you’re headed in the right direction, you’re doing good. I have a suggestion… do some web searches on PCOS… PolyCystic Ovaries Syndrome. With your weight/insulin resistance/miscarriages… it may be something to look into. In any case… Hang in. You’re on the right track! Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, just wanted to up date you. First of all, I went to the DE > yesterday, and she is great! Very nice lady, RN-DE….she knows alot and is > very good at getting the info across to you. She weighed me and her scale > shows I’ve lost 6 1/2 lbs since Monday. But….*sigh*….since its a > different scale, I’m not putting too much weight (no pun intended lol) into > this. But it did look good on paper > She took me into the room and made me do a finger stick, just to make sure I > know what I’m doing. She helped alot with the diet thing, although she isn’t > a dietician. My main thing is that I would like a list of low carb-low GI > foods that I can just pick and choose from I visited the Mendosa website, > and between that site, some of his links, and the info from the dietician, I > think that I’ve almost gotten the list that I want. I am going to continue > searching until I get a comprehensive list of foods, and then go from there, > re learning what foods that MY body can deal with. > With the meds that I’m on, my numbers are coming down just a little. The DE > suggested (after I told my hubby that morning that I was going to ask her > lol) that I ask the dr. if they will up my meds. I was on 500mg Glucophage > twice a day and 1 5mg Glucotrol a day. I went to the dr. after the DE and > asked and they upped the meds to 2 glucotrol a day. But, I went a little > further (the dr. office was getting ready to close early, they were having > their power turned off for construction reasons and were very rushed) and > upped my Glucophage to 2 in the morning and one at night. I’m sure that the > dr. would agree to this if they had had enough time to see me. As it was, a > nurse/secretary/someone just wrote my question down on a piece of paper and > ran it back to the dr. and came out and told me to up the glucotrol The DE > told me that they would probably up the glucophage to 1500mg and up the > glucotrol to 10mg/day anyway. So, I went ahead and did it on my own. I go > back to the dr. on Monday for a real appointment, so I’ll inform them of > what I did then. > The DE mentioned the glucose toxicity (just like someone else in here did, > ty!) and said that for the time being, don’t try to start a vigorous > exercise plan right now, but just to take it easy, walking or something low > impact. I have had 3 miscarriages in the past, and no one has ever tried to > find out why. I lost the pregnancies all before I had the chance to get the > blood work done, so I can’t say that anyone had my numbers and ignored it. > But you would think that after I tell the OB that I’ve had previous > recurrent miscarriages, that they would wonder why? Anyway, the DE said that > she would bet on the fact that the diabetes had something to do with the > miscarriages. > I practically had to beg, but I got a copy of my bloodwork too. I was > suprised by most of the numbers, because most were better than I imagined. > My cholesterol was only 172…not saying that that is great, but for the way > I have eaten all my life, its pretty good! But, my triglycerides were 815! I > dont’ know much about all of this stuff, so I came home and read up on all > of it. The info that I got suggests that a high triglyceride isn’t unusual > in an out of control diabetic, and that once I get my numbers down, that the > triglycerides will go down too. I sure hope so! Everything else was pretty > normal…I had a slightly high white count and a very slightly high red > count also. Could that be related to the diabetes? > I have really been trying to watch what I’m eating, and the numbers are > showing it too. This is going to sound funny to you guys in here who are in > control of your numbers, but to me, the fact that I’ve been in the 200s most > times in the last few days is great to me! To go from consistent 400s to > consisten (well, almost lol) 200s is something for me to be glad about and > have hope that I may EVENTUALLY get these numbers down to a normal level! > The DE also told me that since I’ve been high for a while, that the first > few times that I go to even 150 or so, that I may feel hypo….she told me > that if I can’t stand it, treat it…but she said that she’d rather me try > to ride it through, since its not REALLY a low, just my body reacting to not > as much sugar. Have any of you gone "low" when you weren’t REALLY low? Did > you just ride it through or treat it? Was it REALLY bad? How long did it > take to feel normal again? > Well, I guess thats it. My hubby bought a Reese cup last night (my favorite > candy lol) and I didn’t even feel TEMPTED to eat it! Yay for me! > Nancy

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<snip> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> With the meds that I’m on, my numbers are coming down just a little. The DE > suggested (after I told my hubby that morning that I was going to ask her > lol) that I ask the dr. if they will up my meds. I was on 500mg Glucophage > twice a day and 1 5mg Glucotrol a day. I went to the dr. after the DE and > asked and they upped the meds to 2 glucotrol a day. But, I went a little > further (the dr. office was getting ready to close early, they were having > their power turned off for construction reasons and were very rushed) and > upped my Glucophage to 2 in the morning and one at night. I’m sure that the > dr. would agree to this if they had had enough time to see me. As it was, a > nurse/secretary/someone just wrote my question down on a piece of paper and > ran it back to the dr. and came out and told me to up the glucotrol The DE > told me that they would probably up the glucophage to 1500mg and up the > glucotrol to 10mg/day anyway. So, I went ahead and did it on my own. I go > back to the dr. on Monday for a real appointment, so I’ll inform them of > what I did then.

Warning! NEVER up your meds on your own! I don’t think you’ve even given your meds time to kick in yet. When they do, you could be risking a serious hypo! > The DE mentioned the glucose toxicity (just like someone else in here did, > ty!) and said that for the time being, don’t try to start a vigorous > exercise plan right now, but just to take it easy, walking or something low > impact. I have had 3 miscarriages in the past, and no one has ever tried to > find out why. I lost the pregnancies all before I had the chance to get the > blood work done, so I can’t say that anyone had my numbers and ignored it. > But you would think that after I tell the OB that I’ve had previous > recurrent miscarriages, that they would wonder why? Anyway, the DE said that > she would bet on the fact that the diabetes had something to do with the > miscarriages.

Could be. But some of us developed GD (gestational diabetes) and then later type 2. > I practically had to beg, but I got a copy of my bloodwork too. I was > suprised by most of the numbers, because most were better than I imagined. > My cholesterol was only 172…not saying that that is great, but for the way > I have eaten all my life, its pretty good! But, my triglycerides were 815! I > dont’ know much about all of this stuff, so I came home and read up on all > of it. The info that I got suggests that a high triglyceride isn’t unusual > in an out of control diabetic, and that once I get my numbers down, that the > triglycerides will go down too. I sure hope so!

Yes. Quite likely. >Everything else was pretty > normal…I had a slightly high white count and a very slightly high red > count also. Could that be related to the diabetes?

Don’t know. I think a high white count indicates an infection of some sort. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have really been trying to watch what I’m eating, and the numbers are > showing it too. This is going to sound funny to you guys in here who are in > control of your numbers, but to me, the fact that I’ve been in the 200s most > times in the last few days is great to me! To go from consistent 400s to > consisten (well, almost lol) 200s is something for me to be glad about and > have hope that I may EVENTUALLY get these numbers down to a normal level! > The DE also told me that since I’ve been high for a while, that the first > few times that I go to even 150 or so, that I may feel hypo….she told me > that if I can’t stand it, treat it…but she said that she’d rather me try > to ride it through, since its not REALLY a low, just my body reacting to not > as much sugar. Have any of you gone "low" when you weren’t REALLY low? Did > you just ride it through or treat it? Was it REALLY bad? How long did it > take to feel normal again?

Very common for this to happen. If you feel too horrible, you can treat by eating 5g of fast acting carb. This is enough to make the bad feeling go away without raising your BG much higher. When I was first diagnosed, I was VERY sick for about two weeks. I slept through most of it. I was that sick and out of it. Couldn’t think straight or do much for myself. > Well, I guess thats it. My hubby bought a Reese cup last night (my favorite > candy lol) and I didn’t even feel TEMPTED to eat it! Yay for me!

Good! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Hi all, just wanted to up date you. First of all, I went to the DE yesterday, and she is great! Very nice lady, RN-DE….she knows alot and is very good at getting the info across to you. She weighed me and her scale shows I’ve lost 6 1/2 lbs since Monday. But….*sigh*….since its a different scale, I’m not putting too much weight (no pun intended lol) into this. But it did look good on paper She took me into the room and made me do a finger stick, just to make sure I know what I’m doing. She helped alot with the diet thing, although she isn’t a dietician. My main thing is that I would like a list of low carb-low GI foods that I can just pick and choose from I visited the Mendosa website, and between that site, some of his links, and the info from the dietician, I think that I’ve almost gotten the list that I want. I am going to continue searching until I get a comprehensive list of foods, and then go from there, re learning what foods that MY body can deal with. With the meds that I’m on, my numbers are coming down just a little. The DE suggested (after I told my hubby that morning that I was going to ask her lol) that I ask the dr. if they will up my meds. I was on 500mg Glucophage twice a day and 1 5mg Glucotrol a day. I went to the dr. after the DE and asked and they upped the meds to 2 glucotrol a day. But, I went a little further (the dr. office was getting ready to close early, they were having their power turned off for construction reasons and were very rushed) and upped my Glucophage to 2 in the morning and one at night. I’m sure that the dr. would agree to this if they had had enough time to see me. As it was, a nurse/secretary/someone just wrote my question down on a piece of paper and ran it back to the dr. and came out and told me to up the glucotrol The DE told me that they would probably up the glucophage to 1500mg and up the glucotrol to 10mg/day anyway. So, I went ahead and did it on my own. I go back to the dr. on Monday for a real appointment, so I’ll inform them of what I did then. The DE mentioned the glucose toxicity (just like someone else in here did, ty!) and said that for the time being, don’t try to start a vigorous exercise plan right now, but just to take it easy, walking or something low impact. I have had 3 miscarriages in the past, and no one has ever tried to find out why. I lost the pregnancies all before I had the chance to get the blood work done, so I can’t say that anyone had my numbers and ignored it. But you would think that after I tell the OB that I’ve had previous recurrent miscarriages, that they would wonder why? Anyway, the DE said that she would bet on the fact that the diabetes had something to do with the miscarriages. I practically had to beg, but I got a copy of my bloodwork too. I was suprised by most of the numbers, because most were better than I imagined. My cholesterol was only 172…not saying that that is great, but for the way I have eaten all my life, its pretty good! But, my triglycerides were 815! I dont’ know much about all of this stuff, so I came home and read up on all of it. The info that I got suggests that a high triglyceride isn’t unusual in an out of control diabetic, and that once I get my numbers down, that the triglycerides will go down too. I sure hope so! Everything else was pretty normal…I had a slightly high white count and a very slightly high red count also. Could that be related to the diabetes? I have really been trying to watch what I’m eating, and the numbers are showing it too. This is going to sound funny to you guys in here who are in control of your numbers, but to me, the fact that I’ve been in the 200s most times in the last few days is great to me! To go from consistent 400s to consisten (well, almost lol) 200s is something for me to be glad about and have hope that I may EVENTUALLY get these numbers down to a normal level! The DE also told me that since I’ve been high for a while, that the first few times that I go to even 150 or so, that I may feel hypo….she told me that if I can’t stand it, treat it…but she said that she’d rather me try to ride it through, since its not REALLY a low, just my body reacting to not as much sugar. Have any of you gone "low" when you weren’t REALLY low? Did you just ride it through or treat it? Was it REALLY bad? How long did it take to feel normal again? Well, I guess thats it. My hubby bought a Reese cup last night (my favorite candy lol) and I didn’t even feel TEMPTED to eat it! Yay for me! Nancy

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how low is blood sugar supposed to be?

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Hello. I posted recently, because I was concerned about extreme thirst and frequent urination. I suspect these symptoms might be side effects of some of the medications I take for other problems, rather than diabetes symptoms, but I’m not sure. I got a blood sugar meter last week, and have been testing frequently, usually getting numbers between 85 and 110. When I eat a low-fat, high- carb meal, my blood sugar goes up to about 140, but only for about half an hour. An hour after eating, my blood sugar is back down in the 85-110 range, no matter what I ate. If I eat meat and vegetables, it goes up to to 120. If I eat ice cream, it goes up to 140. The one time I drank a whole can of pop on an empty stomach, it went up to 160 for about half an hour, then back to 120. Is that the kind of bad "spike" that indicates a serious problem? (At this point, I’m not trying to control diabetes, I’m trying to figure out whether or not I have it. I’ve deliberately been eating more carbs than usual, so I can see how my blood sugar responds…not a glucose tolerance test, but an ice cream tolerance test, which is somewhat more enjoyable, from what I understand.) Why am I asking you folks rather than waiting until I see my dr? Well, I’ve gotten the impression from browsing this newsgroup that some doctors are a lot more casual than others about blood sugar control. I don’t know how my doctor feels about this – we haven’t discussed it yet (my problems with the thirst are quite new, starting in the last 6 weeks.) I’d like to get a sense of what’s going on. People here write about "good numbers" and "spiking," but I don’t know what that means. If half an hour at 140 is cause for concern, then I’ll want to push my doctor for more comprehensive tests for diabetes. (Even if my numbers are such that some doctors would consider them worrisome but my dr wouldn’t.) If it’s well in the expected range for non-diabetics, then I would want to push harder to get him to investigate other explanations for these symptoms. BTW, I’m 34. Dunno if it makes any difference. Thanks, Adrian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello. >I posted recently, because I was concerned about extreme thirst >and frequent urination. I suspect these symptoms might be side >effects of some of the medications I take for other problems, >rather than diabetes symptoms, but I’m not sure. I got a blood >sugar meter last week, and have been testing frequently, usually >getting numbers between 85 and 110. When I eat a low-fat, high- >carb meal, my blood sugar goes up to about 140, but only for about >half an hour. An hour after eating, my blood sugar is back down >in the 85-110 range, no matter what I ate. If I eat meat and >vegetables, it goes up to to 120. If I eat ice cream, it goes >up to 140. The one time I drank a whole can of pop on an empty >stomach, it went up to 160 for about half an hour, then back to >120. Is that the kind of bad "spike" that indicates a serious >problem? (At this point, I’m not trying to control diabetes, I’m >trying to figure out whether or not I have it. I’ve deliberately >been eating more carbs than usual, so I can see how my blood >sugar responds…not a glucose tolerance test, but an ice cream >tolerance test, which is somewhat more enjoyable, from what I >understand.) >Why am I asking you folks rather than waiting until I see my dr? >Well, I’ve gotten the impression from browsing this newsgroup >that some doctors are a lot more casual than others about blood >sugar control. I don’t know how my doctor feels about this – we >haven’t discussed it yet (my problems with the thirst are quite >new, starting in the last 6 weeks.) I’d like to get a sense of >what’s going on. People here write about "good numbers" and >"spiking," but I don’t know what that means. If half an hour at >140 is cause for concern, then I’ll want to push my doctor for >more comprehensive tests for diabetes. (Even if my numbers are >such that some doctors would consider them worrisome but my dr >wouldn’t.) If it’s well in the expected range for non-diabetics, >then I would want to push harder to get him to investigate other >explanations for these symptoms. >BTW, I’m 34. Dunno if it makes any difference. >Thanks, >Adrian

I have seen two medical sites which claim that normal folks have a glucose thermostat-type mechanism (glucostat? ?) which attempts to keep normal blood sugars at a. 80 mg/dL, b. 85 mg/dL (take your choice). I have seen reports about the recording glucose meters, which when tested on normal people never report a value greater than 108 over a 24-hour period. I passed the word at work that I would test anybody, any time and had my offer accepted. I would test them after a good lunch, and usually gave them a candy bar to sorta "push" the numbers up. . .if they were "pushable". I never saw anybody over 100 mg/dL. You might be interested in this recent post from "Judy and Dave G" on May 6, 2003 ". . . .Hello friends Following up a bit on the thread where Ted and others discussed "normal" people and their blood glucose reading. I am not aware of any formal studies or results. But …. ta dah….. I have been testing my Dave for years. Very interesting. First time I tested him, around 1993 or 94 : He tested Wake up fasting: 80 1 hour PP breakfast: 82 2 hour PP breakfast: 80 Breakfast was a normal bacon, eggs and toast. 4 strips bacon, 2 eggs over medium, and 2 slices wheat toast. About a week later: Wake up fasting: 80 1 hour PP breakfast: 81 2 hour PP breakfast: 80 Breakfast was a stack of 4 pancakes, with butter and regular syrup. Coffee w/sugar I tested occasionally on and off for about 6 years. Nothing changed. No matter when, no matter what, he was always in the 80 to 84 range. . . ." I am sorry to say that normal folks don’t see 160 mg/dL blood sugars. You sound like you are in the early stages, a stage which some medical folks call "pre-diabetes". The statistically average Type 2 diabetic takes 10 years to fully develop into a diabetic whose disease can be detected by the simple home blood test. If you want to read a very complete discussion of this phenomenon (probably more than you want to know right now), you could check "The Progression and Natural History of Type 2 Diabetes" A very good speech to doctors by an Endo, given at the 2001 ADA convention, presented at the URL shown below. http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/145 When you get to the site, select

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Control of BG

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As a newly diagnosed type 2, whose doctor didn’t even bother to give any materials or guidelines, what kind of control should I strive for? As I said in a post regarding my meter, my low for the day is usually about 90, and my highest reading is fasting a.m., normally 130-135, coming down in a couple of hours. I don’t fault my doctor totally (maybe I should) because I told him what I was eating (began a new plan a couple weeks ago), what my exercise plan was, what supplements I take… and he said just do everything I’d said, and come back in three months for a recheck. Cheryl

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CLW posted this… > As a newly diagnosed type 2, whose doctor didn’t even bother to give any > materials or guidelines, what kind of control should I strive for?

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Hi Cheryl, Before faulting your doctor perhaps for a moment consider this: since you told him/her what you are doing, maybe you are doing it right. The numbers you quote are not far off, well done! It may well be in three months on your present regime they will be better still. I certainly hope so! Lots of love, — Al, Melton Mowbray, uk, LADA dx Jan97 Control basal/Beef lente bolus/Novorapid I am NOT a doctor! But I DO care.

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> As a newly diagnosed type 2, whose doctor didn’t even bother to give any > materials or guidelines, what kind of control should I strive for? > As I said in a post regarding my meter, my low for the day is usually about > 90, and my highest reading is fasting a.m., normally 130-135, coming down in > a couple of hours. > I don’t fault my doctor totally (maybe I should) because I told him what I > was eating (began a new plan a couple weeks ago), what my exercise plan was, > what supplements I take… and he said just do everything I’d said, and come > back in three months for a recheck. > Cheryl

First of all test, Test, TEST, just like Wilfred Brimley says on the television. The readings you list are pretty darned good. Although I haven’t been able to lately, I like to keep my high numbers below 140; I try to not go below 80. Find out is there is a diabetes education program in your area and if your insurance will pay for it. Quite often they are put on by local hospitals. You will read in here what other people find work for them. Always remember YMMV (your mileage may vary). You say you don’t fault your doctor. That is fine so long as you have confidence in him/her. I would not be comfortable with a doctor that did not appear to be more knowledgeable and take time to explain what I should and should not be doing. Remember you doctor works for you. He/She is your employee and should be ready and willing to give you what ever help you need. I happen to use my primary GP as my diabetes doctor because I know that he stays up to date on diabetes treatment and has never been reluctant to recommend a specialist when one was called for. Also there are no practicing diabetes specialists in this area. As for supplements, that is a choice we each have to make for ourselves. I happen to take a mulit-vitamin/mineral, Glucosamine/Chondroitin for arthritis, vitamin E, garlic, and milk thistle for my liver. I will be having my first blood work since starting the milk thistle next week and seeing my doctor on April 3rd. I am interested to see if it is really having any effect. Don’t hesitate to ask questions here. Sort out out what you can use from the chaff. Take what you can use and leave the rest. I wish you all the best. Keep on testing. — Chuck "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain it. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln

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Yeah, I agree. He kept nodding and saying "fine," so I can’t put it on him. I just should have questioned him further, but I think I was in a bit of shock at being diagnosed with a 133 BG and A1C of 6.2. I’m not sure what I thought the cut-off was, but it wasn’t that! I’m definitely hoping the numbers improve, and am dedicated to making improvements in my diet/exercise. Thanks!

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> As a newly diagnosed type 2, whose doctor didn’t even bother to give any > materials or guidelines, what kind of control should I strive for?

Oh those wacky doctors! If I had a carb for everytime I’ve heard that story, I’d be hyperglycemic everyday! In any case… here’s the advice I give all newbies. Sounds like you’re planning a move to take control of your diabetes… good for you. There is so much to absorb… you don’t have to rush into anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won’t keel over today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test. The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is: What do I eat? Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing. What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75 – 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are somewhere in between. At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path, using the experience of those that went before, but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting. Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually you’ll work up a successful plan that is yours alone. What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I’m sure you’ve read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice… the things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly… so if you’re a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise. You might want to try some experiments. First: Eat whatever you’ve been currently eating… but write it all down. Test yourself at the following times: Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after each meal At bedtime That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long after a meal your highest reading comes… and how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher reading. Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit… get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above. If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good readings. It’s worth a few days to discover. Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your meter. The thing about this disease… though we share much in common and we need to follow certain guidelines… in the end, each of our bodies dictate our treatment and our success. The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM… I know that everyone is at a different point in their disease… and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the best shot at heath we’ve got. That’s all we can do. Here’s my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers. FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after meals under 120 or for those in the mmol parts of the world: Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after meals Under 6.5 Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future complications, especially heart problems. Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body and how it’s handling diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon. Just remember, we’re not in a race or a competition with anyone but ourselves… Play around with your food plan… TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings… Use your body as a science experiment. You’ll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their diabetes… Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you’ll learn that there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment and you’ll soon discover the plan that works for you. Best of luck! Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As I said in a post regarding my meter, my low for the day is usually about > 90, and my highest reading is fasting a.m., normally 130-135, coming down in > a couple of hours. > I don’t fault my doctor totally (maybe I should) because I told him what I > was eating (began a new plan a couple weeks ago), what my exercise plan was, > what supplements I take… and he said just do everything I’d said, and come > back in three months for a recheck. > Cheryl

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Thanks, Jennifer. I am testing, and am eating pretty low carb because it seems the only way I have been able to lose any weight. Yes, I am overweight, and must get the weight off to help. Appreciate all the time it took you to make these suggestions, and I have more to say, but will answer the other post with it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As a newly diagnosed type 2, whose doctor didn’t even bother to give any > materials or guidelines, what kind of control should I strive for? > Oh those wacky doctors! > If I had a carb for everytime I’ve heard that story, I’d be > hyperglycemic everyday! > In any case… here’s the advice I give all newbies. > Sounds like you’re planning a move to take control of your diabetes… good > for you. > There is so much to absorb… you don’t have to rush into anything. Begin > by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won’t keel over > today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just > how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important > thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test. > The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is: > What do I eat? > Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing. > What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great > results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve > great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet. > Others find that anything over 75 – 100g of carbs a day is too > much. Still others are somewhere in between. > At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed > THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all > learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path, > using the experience of those that went before, but still having > to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting. > Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best > for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually > you’ll work up a successful plan that is yours alone. > What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I’m > sure you’ve read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice… the things our > Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein > and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly… so if you’re > a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise. > You might want to try some experiments. > First: Eat whatever you’ve been > currently eating… but write it all down. > Test yourself at the following times: > Upon waking (fasting) > 1 hour after each meal > 2 hours after each meal > At bedtime > That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long > after a meal your highest reading comes… and how fast you return to > "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or > other carbs gives you a higher reading. > Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads, > cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit… get all > your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above. > If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good > readings. It’s worth a few days to discover. > Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your > meter. > The thing about this disease… though we share much in common and we > need to > follow certain guidelines… in the end, each of our bodies dictate our > treatment and our success. > The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of > avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM… I know that > everyone is at a different point in their disease… and it is progressive . > But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the > best shot at heath we’ve got. > That’s all we can do. > Here’s my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers. > FBG under 110 > One hour after meals under 140 > Two hours after meals under 120 > or for those in the mmol parts of the world: > Fasting Under 6 > One hour after meals Under 8 > Two hours after meals Under 6.5 > Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your > "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future > complications, especially heart problems. > Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic > care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You > will end up knowing much more about your body and how it’s handling > diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon. > Just remember, we’re not in a race or a competition with anyone but > ourselves… Play around with your food plan… TEST TEST TEST. Learn what > foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings… Use your body as a science > experiment. > You’ll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their > diabetes… Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you’ll learn that > there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment > and you’ll soon discover the plan that works for you. > Best of luck! > Jennifer > As I said in a post regarding my meter, my low for the day is usually about > 90, and my highest reading is fasting a.m., normally 130-135, coming down in > a couple of hours. > I don’t fault my doctor totally (maybe I should) because I told him what I > was eating (began a new plan a couple weeks ago), what my exercise plan was, > what supplements I take… and he said just do everything I’d said, and come > back in three months for a recheck. > Cheryl

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Thanks, I am testing. About going broke already testing. LOL! I called my doctor today (by the way, it’s a military facility so not quite like having a "private" physician) and informed him that I wanted a meter/testing equipment OR a prescription so I could get one, if they wouldn’t cover strips for the one I already have. They informed me that there are "lots of type 2’s who are being treated without any meds and without any home testing." To which I replied, well, it’s my body, and I want to do everything I can to stay as healthy as possible. He repeated the same thing, to which I answered that I thought he was being ridiculous. Long story short, the doctor got my message, and called back to say that I now have an appointment with the head nurse who handles this type of thing and they will give me a meter and other supplies on Monday. I will make sure I get answers and find out about any type of educational programs they offer. I appreciate your answer, and I’m busy reading and learning, and feeling quite positive about my ability to take charge of this. Cheryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As a newly diagnosed type 2, whose doctor didn’t even bother to give any > materials or guidelines, what kind of control should I strive for? > As I said in a post regarding my meter, my low for the day is usually about > 90, and my highest reading is fasting a.m., normally 130-135, coming down in > a couple of hours. > I don’t fault my doctor totally (maybe I should) because I told him what I > was eating (began a new plan a couple weeks ago), what my exercise plan was, > what supplements I take… and he said just do everything I’d said, and come > back in three months for a recheck. > Cheryl > First of all test, Test, TEST, just like Wilfred Brimley says on the television. > The readings you list are pretty darned good. Although I haven’t been able to > lately, I like to keep my high numbers below 140; I try to not go below 80. Find > out is there is a diabetes education program in your area and if your insurance > will pay for it. Quite often they are put on by local hospitals. You will read > in here what other people find work for them. Always remember YMMV (your mileage > may vary). > You say you don’t fault your doctor. That is fine so long as you have confidence > in him/her. I would not be comfortable with a doctor that did not appear to be > more knowledgeable and take time to explain what I should and should not be > doing. Remember you doctor works for you. He/She is your employee and should be > ready and willing to give you what ever help you need. I happen to use my > primary GP as my diabetes doctor because I know that he stays up to date on > diabetes treatment and has never been reluctant to recommend a specialist when > one was called for. Also there are no practicing diabetes specialists in this > area. > As for supplements, that is a choice we each have to make for ourselves. I > happen to take a mulit-vitamin/mineral, Glucosamine/Chondroitin for arthritis, > vitamin E, garlic, and milk thistle for my liver. I will be having my first > blood work since starting the milk thistle next week and seeing my doctor on > April 3rd. I am interested to see if it is really having any effect. > Don’t hesitate to ask questions here. Sort out out what you can use from the > chaff. Take what you can use and leave the rest. > I wish you all the best. > Keep on testing. > — > Chuck > "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never > regain it. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you > can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the > people all of the time." > Abraham Lincoln

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> Thanks, I am testing. About going broke already testing. LOL! I called > my doctor today (by the way, it’s a military facility so not quite like > having > a "private" physician) and informed him that I wanted a meter/testing > equipment OR a prescription so I could get one, if they wouldn’t cover > strips for the one I already have. They informed me that there are "lots > of type 2’s who are being treated without any meds and without any > home testing."

That has to be one of the most ignorant, stupid statements I have ever heard. The doctor, of all people, should know there are type 2’s losing toes, feet, legs, eyesight and their lives every day because they have NOT managed their diabetes with or without medication. Perhaps you have just been given an insight into why is is a doctor for the military rather than being in private practice. Some people who are very diligent are able to control their numbers with diet and exercise, but I wouldn’t bet my life I can – and that is exactly what I would be doing if I did that without my doctor’s blessing. Chuck "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain it. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln

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>Thanks, Jennifer. I am testing, and am eating pretty low carb because it >seems the only way I have been able to lose any weight. Yes, I am >overweight, and must get the weight off to help. Appreciate all the time it >took you to make these suggestions, and I have more to say, but will answer >the other post with it.

Losing weight is definitely a goal worth working toward, but I wouldn’t pin all your hopes on it. I say this because I cannot tell you how many times I was told by doctors, "Oh, lose 5-10 pounds and you’ll see your blood sugars return to an almost normal level!" I lost 30 pounds, and yet my blood sugars are still elevated. For some people, weight loss helps with bgs, and for some people it doesn’t. However, the weight loss did vastly improve my energy levels and help me feel better, so I’m not saying don’t lose weight, just that sometimes medical professionals wildly overestimate how much weight loss will help with diabetes. You mentioned that your doctor is on a military base, I think, and I don’t know how that works, but if at all possible, I would really think hard about finding a new doctor. I am appalled that your doctor diagnosed you with diabetes and then didn’t give you any information about it! I mean, yeah, you sound pretty well-educated and intelligent, but that’s no excuse for not giving you some basic info or referring you to a nutritionist. You shouldn’t have had to argue with them to get a home meter, either. What’s more expensive? A meter and test strips, or caring for complications caused by long-term high blood sugars? What you do have going for you is that you’re smart, you’re interested in educating yourself (hey, you found this newsgroup!) and it sounds like you’re on the right track as far as diet and exercise. –Jan

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Welcome to our group, The numbers I strive for are those of a non diabetic, That means either between 70 to 110 or 80 to 120, depending upon who you talk to. Testing is very important and I am sure you will have the official welcome from Jennifer as to how to go about things, Good luck, stay with us, ask all the questions yu want and watch yourself get into good control. Are you on any meds/ Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Luckily it wasn’t the doctor, but merely one of the helpers, whatever the heck their qualifications are. One of the girls who does my blood pressure takes it 5 or 6 times in a row and wonders why it’s high on the last reading… why it gets progressively higher as I almost burst from the pressure she uses. I don’t think they are trained very well, although the doctors seem pretty good. As far as going no meds, I’m okay with it if my numbers stay in the range they’re in now. I’m having the morning spike, even tested in the middle of the night last night to check it, but otherwise they are good, and I don’t believe a 6.2 for the A1C is too bad. And it was before I modified my diet to eat a whole lot less carbs, in particular, processed foods and sugary crap. LOL! Cheryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks, I am testing. About going broke already testing. LOL! I called > my doctor today (by the way, it’s a military facility so not quite like > having > a "private" physician) and informed him that I wanted a meter/testing > equipment OR a prescription so I could get one, if they wouldn’t cover > strips for the one I already have. They informed me that there are "lots > of type 2’s who are being treated without any meds and without any > home testing." > That has to be one of the most ignorant, stupid statements I have ever heard. > The doctor, of all people, should know there are type 2’s losing toes, feet, > legs, eyesight and their lives every day because they have NOT managed their > diabetes with or without medication. Perhaps you have just been given an insight > into why is is a doctor for the military rather than being in private practice. > Some people who are very diligent are able to control their numbers with diet > and exercise, but I wouldn’t bet my life I can – and that is exactly what I > would be doing if I did that without my doctor’s blessing. > Chuck > "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never > regain it. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you > can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the > people all of the time." > Abraham Lincoln

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I’m not pinning all my hopes on losing weight, but it’s bound to help. I weigh 254 now, after losing six pounds in the last few weeks, and I feel much better overall with less carbs in my diet. I’m not sure how bad my numbers are at this point, but they seem pretty low in comparison to most I see posted. With the exception of the early a.m. they are under 105 almost all the time. I need to lose 94 more pounds to get to what I hope will be a good weight for me. I have very dense bones per the doctor who did the tests, and I look pretty "thin" at 160. The doctor didn’t say anything to me about losing weight. I told him I was going to work on it and unless something physical stops me, I will lose the weight. I know it’s difficult, because I’ve fought it due to insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia for several years, but low carb seems to be working so far. Calorie restriction too, not drastic, and exercise. It’ll be okay, with the doctor. I looked up enough info today and printed it out that I was prepared to go jump up on the head of the hospital’s desk until I got what I wanted. I’m very pro-active, just didn’t react very well after he told me I was "finally" diabetic. I kept hoping it would just go away–the threat of it, I mean–but obviously I was in some kind of denial. My mother had 8 siblings, and they all had/died from this disease. My paternal grandmother developed type 2 when she was quite old, and apparently my maternal grandfather died from it as well. He died from a heart attack, but they said it was due to his diabetes. With all of that, you’d think I would have started taking care of myself earlier. I actually did… four years ago. Spent two full years doing low fat/high carbs, and exercising for 30-60 minutes a day six days a week. Managed to lose 37 pounds in the two years, only to get sidelined by an injury and surgery and put it all back on while being on six weeks of bed rest. Even though hubby tried to feed me appropriately, my body just didn’t cooperate. After talking to the doctor and doing a lot of research, I decided to check out low carb. I began with induction from Atkins, but am modifying it as I check out foods that work for me and my BG. Cheryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks, Jennifer. I am testing, and am eating pretty low carb because it >seems the only way I have been able to lose any weight. Yes, I am >overweight, and must get the weight off to help. Appreciate all the time it >took you to make these suggestions, and I have more to say, but will answer >the other post with it. > Losing weight is definitely a goal worth working toward, but I > wouldn’t pin all your hopes on it. I say this because I cannot tell > you how many times I was told by doctors, "Oh, lose 5-10 pounds and > you’ll see your blood sugars return to an almost normal level!" I > lost 30 pounds, and yet my blood sugars are still elevated. For some > people, weight loss helps with bgs, and for some people it doesn’t. > However, the weight loss did vastly improve my energy levels and help > me feel better, so I’m not saying don’t lose weight, just that > sometimes medical professionals wildly overestimate how much weight > loss will help with diabetes. > You mentioned that your doctor is on a military base, I think, and I > don’t know how that works, but if at all possible, I would really > think hard about finding a new doctor. I am appalled that your doctor > diagnosed you with diabetes and then didn’t give you any information > about it! I mean, yeah, you sound pretty well-educated and > intelligent, but that’s no excuse for not giving you some basic info > or referring you to a nutritionist. You shouldn’t have had to argue > with them to get a home meter, either. What’s more expensive? A > meter and test strips, or caring for complications caused by long-term > high blood sugars? > What you do have going for you is that you’re smart, you’re interested > in educating yourself (hey, you found this newsgroup!) and it sounds > like you’re on the right track as far as diet and exercise. > –Jan

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No meds. He said we’d look at my numbers (glucose and lipids) in three months and re-evaluate UNLESS I contact him with a problem before then. Thanks for the welcome. Cheryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Welcome to our group, The numbers I strive for are those of a non > diabetic, That means either between 70 to 110 or 80 to 120, depending > upon who you talk to. > Testing is very important and I am sure you will have the official > welcome from Jennifer as to how to go about things, > Good luck, stay with us, ask all the questions yu want and watch > yourself get into good control. > Are you on any meds/ > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

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> Yeah, I agree. He kept nodding and saying "fine," so I can’t put it on > him. I just should have questioned him further, but I think I was in a > bit of shock at being diagnosed with a 133 BG and A1C of 6.2. I’m not > sure what I thought the cut-off was, but it wasn’t that!

Keep in mind that the "typical" T2 has, at the time of diagnosis, an A1C over 10.0 and a fasting BG in the 200s or 300s. Your doctor was probably a little shocked as well. You, at the time of diagnosis, were doing better than most T2s on three or four different meds do.

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>It’ll be okay, with the doctor. I looked up enough info today and printed it >out >that I was prepared to go jump up on the head of the hospital’s desk until I >got what I wanted. I’m very pro-active, just didn’t react very well after he >told me I was "finally" diabetic. I kept hoping it would just go away–the >threat of it, I mean–but obviously I was in some kind of denial. My mother >had 8 siblings, and they all had/died from this disease. My paternal >grandmother >developed type 2 when she was quite old, and apparently my maternal >grandfather died from it as well. He died from a heart attack, but they said >it >was due to his diabetes. With all of that, you’d think I would have started >taking care of myself earlier.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, you’re not the only one. I too have diabetes on both sides of the family (paternal grandmother and aunt, maternal grandfather, and my mom had gestational) and yet I ate what I wanted, mostly high-sugar high-carb stuff, and gained a ton of weight, up through my college years. I knew the problems I might be causing for myself, but tucked it away and didn’t think about it. Until I had to think about it, that is. Even after diagnosis, I went through a period of denial: "They misdiagnosed me, and even if they didn’t, my diabetes isn’t that bad, and besides, if I eat right and exercise I bet it goes away and then I can eat what I want again." I thin it’s a stage most people go through. –Jan

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Luckily I had started eating low carb before I got the test results (I had them drawn the day before I started induction), so I was already feeling great and losing some weight. I think it made the diagnosis a bit easier to handle even though knowing the "word" was a strange feeling. I know I’ll always have to watch what I eat along with all the other requirements of having what is right now an incurable disease. Maybe having worked in medicine for awhile helped because I saw so many people die with lung cancer and there was little they could do to help prolong their lives. It was back in the 70s, and I worked at the Mayo Clinic in a lung cancer project. Having something that I can at least treat proactively makes me feel better. Cheryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It’ll be okay, with the doctor. I looked up enough info today and printed it >out >that I was prepared to go jump up on the head of the hospital’s desk until I >got what I wanted. I’m very pro-active, just didn’t react very well after he >told me I was "finally" diabetic. I kept hoping it would just go away–the >threat of it, I mean–but obviously I was in some kind of denial. My mother >had 8 siblings, and they all had/died from this disease. My paternal >grandmother >developed type 2 when she was quite old, and apparently my maternal >grandfather died from it as well. He died from a heart attack, but they said >it >was due to his diabetes. With all of that, you’d think I would have started >taking care of myself earlier. > Well, if it makes you feel any better, you’re not the only one. I too > have diabetes on both sides of the family (paternal grandmother and > aunt, maternal grandfather, and my mom had gestational) and yet I ate > what I wanted, mostly high-sugar high-carb stuff, and gained a ton of > weight, up through my college years. I knew the problems I might be > causing for myself, but tucked it away and didn’t think about it. > Until I had to think about it, that is. > Even after diagnosis, I went through a period of denial: "They > misdiagnosed me, and even if they didn’t, my diabetes isn’t that bad, > and besides, if I eat right and exercise I bet it goes away and then I > can eat what I want again." I thin it’s a stage most people go > through. > –Jan

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Good point. He may have been. I know he kind of danced around saying the word. He told me the fasting BG of 133, then wrote down 126 and circled it, saying "they changed the cut-off." I finally said, so what, 133 is diabetes then? LOL! And he mumbled something about the A1C being lower than he would have thought, but I wasn’t sure what he meant, and he didn’t expound on it. Cheryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yeah, I agree. He kept nodding and saying "fine," so I can’t put it on > him. I just should have questioned him further, but I think I was in a > bit of shock at being diagnosed with a 133 BG and A1C of 6.2. I’m not > sure what I thought the cut-off was, but it wasn’t that! > Keep in mind that the "typical" T2 has, at the time of diagnosis, an A1C > over 10.0 and a fasting BG in the 200s or 300s. Your doctor was probably a > little shocked as well. You, at the time of diagnosis, were doing better > than most T2s on three or four different meds do.

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Here’s my take on it. You are diabetic. And many of those "typical" T2’s with their 200 BG and their 10 A1c’s at diagnosis probably were where you are at one time. BUT, their doctors never said anything more than "Oh, your sugar’s a little high"… and sent them on their way. You have a chance to grab hold early, before any damage. I think your doctor was right on. And you’re lucky to have caught it early. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Good point. He may have been. I know he kind of danced around saying > the word. He told me the fasting BG of 133, then wrote down 126 and circled > it, > saying "they changed the cut-off." I finally said, so what, 133 is diabetes > then? > LOL! And he mumbled something about the A1C being lower than he would > have thought, but I wasn’t sure what he meant, and he didn’t expound on it. > Cheryl >>Yeah, I agree. He kept nodding and saying "fine," so I can’t put it on >>him. I just should have questioned him further, but I think I was in a >>bit of shock at being diagnosed with a 133 BG and A1C of 6.2. I’m not >>sure what I thought the cut-off was, but it wasn’t that! >Keep in mind that the "typical" T2 has, at the time of diagnosis, an A1C >over 10.0 and a fasting BG in the 200s or 300s. Your doctor was probably > a >little shocked as well. You, at the time of diagnosis, were doing better >than most T2s on three or four different meds do.

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Yeah, that’s my take too.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s my take on it. > You are diabetic. > And many of those "typical" T2’s with their 200 BG and their 10 A1c’s at > diagnosis probably were where you are at one time. > BUT, their doctors never said anything more than "Oh, your sugar’s a > little high"… and sent them on their way. > You have a chance to grab hold early, before any damage. > I think your doctor was right on. And you’re lucky to have caught it early. > Jennifer > Good point. He may have been. I know he kind of danced around saying > the word. He told me the fasting BG of 133, then wrote down 126 and circled > it, > saying "they changed the cut-off." I finally said, so what, 133 is diabetes > then? > LOL! And he mumbled something about the A1C being lower than he would > have thought, but I wasn’t sure what he meant, and he didn’t expound on it. > Cheryl >>>Yeah, I agree. He kept nodding and saying "fine," so I can’t put it on >>>him. I just should have questioned him further, but I think I was in a >>>bit of shock at being diagnosed with a 133 BG and A1C of 6.2. I’m not >>>sure what I thought the cut-off was, but it wasn’t that! >>Keep in mind that the "typical" T2 has, at the time of diagnosis, an A1C >>over 10.0 and a fasting BG in the 200s or 300s. Your doctor was probably > a >>little shocked as well. You, at the time of diagnosis, were doing better >>than most T2s on three or four different meds do.

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Hi all — I am writing this for a friend at work. She is an insulin-dependent diabetic who would like to try the Atkins diet. Any suggestions for her would be appreciated. Thanks. — Posted via Active Low-Carber Forums, for Low-Carb & Atkins Diet Support http://forum.lowcarber.org & http://www.lowcarb.ca

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>. . .(snip). . . >a "private" physician) and informed him that I wanted a meter/testing >equipment OR a prescription so I could get one, if they wouldn’t cover >strips for the one I already have. They informed me that there are "lots >of type 2’s who are being treated without any meds and without any >home testing." To which I replied, well, it’s my body, and I want to do >everything I can to stay as healthy as possible. He repeated the same thing, >to which I answered that I thought he was being ridiculous. >. . .(snip). . .. >Cheryl

You have just been exposed to some of the background to the very scary stories which fill the medical literature and news stories, i.e. the stories which begin. "Diabetes is a disease which causes (gruesome) damage to. . . ." Actually, sloppy, archaic, care ("only test once a week, an HbA1c of 7 is fine, just avoid sweets, etc, etc") and amazingly low levels of ignorance and dedication by most diabetics ("I’ll avoid sugar and just use honey") cause diabetics to suffer gruesome complications. From now on, when you read a newspaper, see a TV documentary, or the like, you must make a massive mental adjustment to understand what they are talking about. . .cause most of them don’t. BTW: One of your most potent weapons is vigorous daily exercise. Turn yourself into a Step Aerobics instructor and you likely will find that you can get away with testing only once a week. Regards Old Al

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Pretty much what my doc told me, he asked if I made any changes..I did. He made sure that I got the standard Diabetes Education at my local hospital (very useful !!). I also did a lot of research, there are many good sites. Some are: www.diabetes.ca www.diabetes.org www.diabetes.co.uk www.endo-society.org/journals/index.cfm Education is the best thing you can do for yourself !! I wasn’t able to get checked at three months, only at six because of scheduling…my numbers were very good, almost all within my goals. My LDL was high but he wasn’t very concerned because all of my other numbers came in non-diabetic. My LDL was marginally high for a non-diabetic, it seems they want diabetics a few points lower because generally we have a higher risk of heart disease.

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I already work out 3 or more times a week at Curves, which is aerobic plus strength training machines–it’s a 30-minute workout. I’ve added another 30 minutes in the evening, either walking or stationary bike, plus I’m making sure I take lots of trips up and down our stairs every day, rather than gathering things for one massive carry-up/down. LOL! I Cheryl

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Thanks for the sites. I’ll check them out. My LDL has been high for several years, fluctuating between 130-170. My HDL is low at 45, and triglycerides and cholesterol both high. The low fat/high carb diet they had me on did nothing. I was on Tricor for a long time, and it really didn’t make much of a difference either. Depending on how low carb affects this, they’ll probably recommend a med next time, or I might. I’ve been reading about statins, etc. Cheryl

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GD and a stomach virus

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> I have had gestational diabetes for a few weeks now and last night I’ve come > down with a nasty stomach virus. How am I supposed to keep my sugars up or > down at this point when I can’t eat? Any ideas?

Sorry, one more thing. Icypoles with glucose are good to suck at. Glucose based things usually stay in the stomach more than other sugars. Sucking slowly will ensure a small amount of fluid dribbles down but not enough to cause further vomiting from trying to have a glass full of drink for example. Stomach bugs are usually very short lived and you will soon be able to take in a little more fluid.

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If low, suck on sweets, if high not much you can do (unless on insulin, then only use a small amount to keep it within a reasonable level), it will usually be temporary.

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I have had gestational diabetes for a few weeks now and last night I’ve come down with a nasty stomach virus. How am I supposed to keep my sugars up or down at this point when I can’t eat? Any ideas? * Sharon

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Sharon, Your endo should have discussed a "sick-day regimen" with you. When sick, our bodies naturally run higher BGs to fight the infection. When we can’t or don’t eat, the body will utilize stored glucose (glycogen) or create new glucose (gluconeogenesis) to raise our BGs. Often when we have a stomach flu, especially if it is accompanied by vomiting or diarrhea, we can become dehydrated. This concentrates the BG through hypovolemia, and we run even higher. It also messes up our electrolyte balance. This can become extremely dangerous, especially in a Type-1. It is the most common way that people get DKA. In short, drink lots of fluids. Consider drinking an electrolyte replacement drink, like Pedia-Lyte. TAKE YOUR INSULIN, if you are on it. Understand that all the above MAY require you to take additional insulin. Contact your doc. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have had gestational diabetes for a few weeks now and last night I’ve come > down with a nasty stomach virus. How am I supposed to keep my sugars up or > down at this point when I can’t eat? Any ideas? > * > Sharon

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if you dare.

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Too all who dare Age, Height, Weight, Weight b4 Diabetes, how long knowing Diabetic. CheeseBurger = 38 , 5 11 1/2, 289, 2 weeks. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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colleen 50 5′2" 184/158 Oct. 2002 Diet excercise medication Metformin, Prandin, Altocor c

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59, 5′4", 110 lbs, 160lbs, 4-1/2 yrs bj

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Too all who dare > Age, Height, Weight, Weight b4 Diabetes, how long knowing Diabetic. > CheeseBurger = 38 , 5 11 1/2, 289, 2 weeks.

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31, 5′ 11”, 179, 3 weeks I have Gestational Diabetes. Sharon… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Too all who dare > Age, Height, Weight, Weight b4 Diabetes, how long knowing Diabetic. > CheeseBurger = 38 , 5 11 1/2, 289, 2 weeks.

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Roy= 52, 6′, 190, 230, 3 yrs.

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Wally 45 6′1" 230 lbs 2 weeks Type II – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Too all who dare >Age, Height, Weight, Weight b4 Diabetes, how long knowing Diabetic. >CheeseBurger = 38 , 5 11 1/2, 289, 2 weeks. >— >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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> 31, 5′ 11”, 179, 3 weeks > I have Gestational Diabetes. > Sharon…

wish you the best of luck sharon sorry i had to meet you here but we are going to do this. your life depends on it. CheeseBurger — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I am game. 58, 5 5, 200, 243 before diagnosis, three years and looking good . I look like I weigh about 175 lol Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> I am game. > 58, 5 5, 200, 243 before diagnosis, three years and looking good . I > look like I weigh about 175 lol > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

You are H.O.T Sis! — Ronnie Registered Linux User #177529 http://counter.li.org There is no place like /home

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thank you for playing. at least you lost 43 pounds What does the Doctor say about your weight? CheeseBurger — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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friend has gestational diabetes

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I had gestational diabetes that went undiagnosed because my ob/gyn was in the first stages of Alzheimer’s disease and forgot to tell me at my visits. Really, I am not kidding. My first child was so huge I had to have an emergency Csection. I gained a lot of weight and was borderline toxic. I ate green soup to lose some weight during the last month of pregnancy. It was basically low starch green veggies in no sodium chicken broth and lots of chicken breast. Any low starch green veggie will do. Good luck to your friend, Kali Blonde

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Folks, > A female friend is pregnant and has been diagnosed with gestational > diabetes. She is going to counseling Monday for diet. > I told her that she needs to get a monitor so that she can see how > different foods affect her. Without one there is no way to manage this. > Other than that, and being male, I really don’t know what else to tell her > at this point but I am sure someone on these lists do. Please point me to > info I can email or pass along to her. > thanks, > keith

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I had gestational diabetes twice and have had several friends who did too. The first thing to tell your friend is that her baby has every likelihood of growing up healthy. That’s the first thing most moms-to-be worry about. I’d also advise her not to insist on a natural delivery if the baby is big. I did, and it was a mistake that left me with a lot of problems. Caesarians are tough at the time, but you may end up in better shape long term. Both my babies were around 9 lbs. Finally, don’t let the doctor tell you that having GD doesn’t mean you are likely to become diabetic later. That’s what they told me, so I didn’t do my homework and learn about the impact of carbs on my body until I had already started showing symptoms. Because I maintained a normal weight after my pregnancies, doctors seemed to think that the GD was just some sort of aberation (though I gained 50 pounds during each pregnancy!) I had years of intractable yeast infections and urinary tract infections with no one ever thinking to test my post-meal blood sugars, simply because my fasting sugars were normal. –Jenny 168.5/150.5/150 First Goal - Restarted 11/10/02 5′3" Age 54 Type II Diabetic

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> BG numbers are also more strict with GD. That means lower numbers. And > this can be hard to maintain as the pregnancy progresses. AFAIK, no oral > (diabetes) medications are thought to be safe during pregnancy. So if she > can’t keep her numbers down, she will be put on insulin.

Before I got pregnant, an endocrinologist "ordered" me to never get pregnant because she said at my weight (around 210 at the time) I would almost certainly develop gestational diabetes. I did not have diabetes, but was taking metformin for insulin resistance. And I did get pregnant. Metformin has not been approved for use during pregnancy, but it has no known harmful effects on the fetus. It can actually lower a woman’s chance of miscarrying. Many pioneers in insulin resistance research strongly advocate the use of metformin in any woman who is at risk of gestational diabetes or who has already developed it. So after doing a great deal of research, I found a savvy obstetrician and elected to stay on metformin through my entire pregnancy. I had absolutely no complications at all. I never developed gestational diabetes or high blood pressure. And I never had to worry about delivering a too-large baby (as women with GD usually do). Though metformin has not been put through formal studies for its safety in pregnancy (due to legal liability, few drugs are tested that way), as I said, it has no known harmful effects on the fetus, it’s definitely safer than high blood sugar, and has far fewer complications and more benefits than insulin injections. Reb

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One of my favourite sites is http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/ While it’s specifically aimed at pregnancy in larger women, it’s got a pretty good outline of diabetic pregnancy. Also many birth stories from Real Live Women, some good, some not-so-good. Aramanth

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Folks, A female friend is pregnant and has been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. She is going to counseling Monday for diet. I told her that she needs to get a monitor so that she can see how different foods affect her. Without one there is no way to manage this. Other than that, and being male, I really don’t know what else to tell her at this point but I am sure someone on these lists do. Please point me to info I can email or pass along to her. thanks, keith

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> Folks, > A female friend is pregnant and has been diagnosed with gestational > diabetes. She is going to counseling Monday for diet. > I told her that she needs to get a monitor so that she can see how > different foods affect her. Without one there is no way to manage this. > Other than that, and being male, I really don’t know what else to tell her > at this point but I am sure someone on these lists do. Please point me to > info I can email or pass along to her.

Sorry to hear that. I had it and it’s no fun! Don’t know of any good websites on the subject. I haven’t actually looked for any for a few years. At the time when I needed the information, the only websites I found offered either vague information or were not very helpful. A meter is vital. But GD is different from other types of diabetes simply because there is a baby involved. Her diet will probably be even more strict now because she needs optimal nutrition for the baby. She may be instructed to gain less weight than the average pregnancy. If so, that means somewhat reduced calories and she’ll need the best nutrition she can get. BG numbers are also more strict with GD. That means lower numbers. And this can be hard to maintain as the pregnancy progresses. AFAIK, no oral (diabetes) medications are thought to be safe during pregnancy. So if she can’t keep her numbers down, she will be put on insulin. That didn’t happen to me, so I can’t address that issue. She will go to the Dr. more often than other pregnant women, especially towards the end. The Dr. will probably want frequent non-stress tests and ultrasounds. She may also have more blood work done than normal. The hardest part of GD for me was following the eating schedule. I was supposed to eat 3 meals and 3 snacks a day. I was not at all hungry while pregnant and hated having to eat the snacks. I also found that the amount o f food I was required to eat was too much for me. I did not have some of the problems that some pregnant women have, such as cravings or food aversions. I simply had no appetite and didn’t want to eat. And prior to the pregnancy, I had gotten into the habit of eating only 2 meals a day. I’d have a late breakfast, a late lunch, then a snack before bed. This was mainly because my job at the time had me working odd hours. But my body had grown accustomed to eating like this and it was hard to change. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account

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iv steroids for MS..diabetes problems?

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Hi, I was dx w/ MS in 91. Optic Neuritis. No problems since then till now. Eye problems again but this time it’s muscle related. In Aug of 2001 I was dx with Type II diabetes. Fasting bs was 311. I have it under control (fasting numbers in the mid to upper 80’s and 90’s) with diet and exercise alone. I take NO meds for my diabetes. Having a MRI tomorrow for my vision problem and due to start the IV steroid drip the next day. I’ve had people researching the pros and cons of this for me. Looking like most advise against it One of my main concern right now is what it can/will do to my diabetes. I’ve read about those that did NOT have diabetes BEFORE the steroid treatments but do now or did for a season. I’d like to hear from those that have diabetes and have had a steroid treatment. I’m afraid of having to get on diabetic meds or insulin and not be able to get off of it after my steroid treatment. Thanks for your help. What I’m gathering from the medical field and patients combined is about 70/30 against with the medical field being slightly in more favor for it. — Monica

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, I was dx w/ MS in 91. Optic Neuritis. No problems since then till now. >Eye problems again but this time it’s muscle related. In Aug of 2001 I was >dx with Type II diabetes. Fasting bs was 311. I have it under control >(fasting numbers in the mid to upper 80’s and 90’s) with diet and exercise >alone. I take NO meds for my diabetes. Having a MRI tomorrow for my vision >problem and due to start the IV steroid drip the next day. I’ve had people >researching the pros and cons of this for me. Looking like most advise >against it One of my main concern right now is what it can/will do to >my >diabetes. I’ve read about those that did NOT have diabetes BEFORE >the steroid treatments but do now or did for a season. I’d like to hear >from those that have diabetes and have had a steroid treatment. I’m afraid >of having to get on diabetic meds or insulin and not be able to get off of >it >after my steroid treatment. Thanks for your help. What I’m gathering from >the medical field and patients combined is about 70/30 against with the >medical field being slightly in more favor for it. >– >Monica

Prednisone and its relatives "reveal" hidden diabetes or amplify existing blood sugar problems in diabetics. In general, it(they) induce the liver to dump glucose into the blood. If you have an impaired glucose metabolism, the wildly uncontrolled liver dump causes your blood sugars to surge out of control. There seems to be some sort of temporary steroid-induced diabetes which Wendy (WSM311) from Vermont has been fighting and apparently **beating**, and/or spontaneously recovering from. It probably doesn’t apply to you since you apparently have developed Type 2 diabetes with no help from Prednisone. I would expect you to exhibit a temporary surge in blood sugars if treated with prednisone based on the reports from other folks (I am an engineer, not a medical person) We have had posters report a temporary need for insulin when subjected to severe steroid therapy. See Tony-in-mexico threads in Google. If you choose not to use insulin, then your blood sugars can surge out of control and generate a condition called Glucose Toxicity, or Glucotoxicity. When in glucotoxicity, even non-diabetics (AFAIK) exhibit a temporary form of severe Type 2 diabetes. One can knock out the glucotoxicity by somehow forcing blood sugars into normal ranges for some period of time peculiar to your own body. The easiest way to **force** is to use insulin. Thus, it often makes more sense to use the insulin at the time of the prednisone therapy. If my eyesight was a risk, and prednisone was an important treatment, I wouldn’t hesitate for an instant to approve the prednisone. Diabetes is a **Royal-Pain-in-The-Ankle** but after living with it for some time, I realize there are worse things around. Here is an excellent post from Wendy-in-Vermont taken from Google alt.support.diabetes 2002-10-18 Question: My husband has been diagnosed with lupus for almost 5 years now. He takes various medications for the lupus along with medications related to a heart attack, which he suffered 2 years ago. Not long after the heart attack, he had to go on Prednisone following a bad flare. He has been unable to get off the Prednisone for 2 years. Currently he’s taking 20 MG per day. Recently, his doctor has requested he be tested for diabetes as some preliminary results show that possibility. The doctor mentioned prednisone-induced diabetes. Exactly what is that and if it is diabetes, will it subside if he gets off the Prednisone? Does the Prednisone give a false positive for diabetes? Answer: Prednisione makes it harder for the body to control the blood sugar. In people who have a tendency for diabetes, it may cause the sugar to rise to a level consistent with diabetes. This is not a false positive since the blood sugar is high. In some people, the sugar will come down if the prednisone is stopped but there is no way to predict this. Sometimes this takes quite awhile after the drug is stopped. The important thing is to control the blood sugar with diet, exercise, as appropriate, and medication, if necessary. Larry B. Ballonoff, M.D., Colorado Permanente Medical Group, Denver, CO October 1999 http://www.coloradohealthsite.org/chnqna.html?Diabetes?Relationship%2… 0Other%20Diseases? A patient, who is pre-disposed to diabetes, will often develop steroid induced diabetes, which is similar to gestational diabetes. The higher dose of Prednisone, the higher the risk of developing diabetes and the higher the blood sugar count will be. They will have to take short term, fast acting insulin after each meal, instead of one single shot, as do most diabetics. http://inin.essortment.com/whatispredni_rdci.htm Question: From Massachusetts, USA: I have been taking high doses of prednisone and Imuran for some rare autoimmune illnesses. I have recently been diagnosed with drug-induced diabetes, and I am now taking glipizide, but I still don’t have this under control even though my prednisone is coming down slowly from 40 mg every other day at present. As exercise is important with diabetes, I do go to swim therapy twice a week to help with my walking, but walking or other type of exercise is difficult with my limited abilities right now. I monitor my blood sugars every day, but they are all over the board (166-453 mg/dl [9.2-25.1 mmol/L]). Since diabetes does not run in my family, and since this is drug-induced, what are the chances of the diabetes going away if the prednisone is stopped or lowered enough? Answer: Once you are diagnosed with diabetes, that diagnosis sticks. It may get much easier to treat after the steroids are decreased further. I would expect increased ability to exercise will also help. However, your description of your sugars suggests you need more treatment directed at your diabetes. At present, there are several choices of treatments to use, including insulin. These may be only temporary. Nonetheless, they sound like they are needed. I would check with your physician about the best way to intensify your blood sugar control. Additional comments from Dr. Larry Deeb: You are on big doses of prednisone. I, therefore, have hope the diabetes might just go away when and if you can come off it. http://www.diabetes123.com/dteam/2002-05/d_0d_8sx.htm Wendy Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://www.heathershikinghiatus.homestead.com/ Regards Old Al

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