How To Survive Halloween

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hurt themselves with it etc. Give them good wholesome chocolate in all it wonderful forms. It won’t hurt anyone. We always give out good cookies and candy. We have never been sued. There is nothing wrong with sugar.

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> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. >You really want to give out this junk to kids? They can swallow them > hurt themselves with it etc. > Give them good wholesome chocolate in all it wonderful forms. It > won’t hurt anyone. > We always give out good cookies and candy. We have never been sued. > There is nothing wrong with sugar.

There’s plenty wrong with it (sugar) if you don’t want it around the house. Or if you, yourself have diabetes and have a child who is also a bit overweight. I watch what my child eats. Of course she gets candy sometimes. But she gets so much of it at Halloween that most of it goes straight in the trash. Such a waste! However, the poster you relied to was talking about the dangers of giving small toys to small children who might be injured by them. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Even MU would not come up with a number like that one . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We always give out good cookies and candy. We have never been sued. > There is nothing wrong with sugar.

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A couple of years ago the local grocery store had half-size micro-pop with a H’ween motif. Those were popular. Never saw them again. I think it was the M&M guys putting the squeeze on the store manager! — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. > BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg > swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses > and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. > Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) > The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing…. > I have made up a couple of treasure chests, dividing my toys into those for > over the age of 3 and those for under the age of three. For the smaller > ones I have small stuffed animals, rubber ducks, and a few other soft > plastic toys. Those cost more than the other toys, but I also have less of > them. In that box, I also have some lollipops with the safety sticks. I > will let the parent choose what they think is appropriate. > I would never give out sugar free treats to kids because of the laxative > effect they have. I had considered giving out little bags of pretzels last > year, but I had no idea how many kids we would have and the thought of being > stuck with tons of bags of pretzels wasn’t appealing either. None of us are > real pretzel lovers. My daughter did get some bags of chips and microwave > popcorn last year. So that was kind of cool. > I did buy a small quantity of rather expensive little candies because my > daughter wanted them. I figure I won’t be stuck with many of those since I > didn’t buy a lot. I have quite a variety of things for the kids to choose > from, including pens and stationary for the older kids. And I still spent > less than I usually do when I buy the little snack bags of chocolate candy. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Using sicklys’ reasoning, I suppose me asking you where I could get an > Hawaiian Ice Shaver was commercial info huh? Where will we spend all the > money we made on that one huh? LMBO

Hehe. I know what you mean! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. > BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg > swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses > and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. > Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) > The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing….

I have made up a couple of treasure chests, dividing my toys into those for over the age of 3 and those for under the age of three. For the smaller ones I have small stuffed animals, rubber ducks, and a few other soft plastic toys. Those cost more than the other toys, but I also have less of them. In that box, I also have some lollipops with the safety sticks. I will let the parent choose what they think is appropriate. I would never give out sugar free treats to kids because of the laxative effect they have. I had considered giving out little bags of pretzels last year, but I had no idea how many kids we would have and the thought of being stuck with tons of bags of pretzels wasn’t appealing either. None of us are real pretzel lovers. My daughter did get some bags of chips and microwave popcorn last year. So that was kind of cool. I did buy a small quantity of rather expensive little candies because my daughter wanted them. I figure I won’t be stuck with many of those since I didn’t buy a lot. I have quite a variety of things for the kids to choose from, including pens and stationary for the older kids. And I still spent less than I usually do when I buy the little snack bags of chocolate candy. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and having candy around the house), I give out little Halloween toys. The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a gross (that’s 144 pieces). And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. Jennifer

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Excellent idea!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces). And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. > Jennifer

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Trick or Treat!!!!! I love Halloween. — c website http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

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> I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces). And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year.

I did the same thing. Also ordered from US Toy company. I do have some candy, but mainly toys. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Thanks Jennifer , it is one of the nicest web-sites I have ever seen too !!! tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and > having candy around the house), I give > out little Halloween toys. > The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com > I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a > gross (that’s 144 pieces). And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. > The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. > Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve been doing this for years… instead of giving out candy (and >having candy around the house), I give >out little Halloween toys. >The Oriental Trading company has the best buys, www.orientaltrading.com >I get plastic bat rings or glow in the dark spider rings for 2.95 a >gross (that’s 144 pieces). And Halloween tatoos; 3.95 for 6 dz. >The best thing is, if you have leftovers, they last until next year. >Jennifer > So why not OK for a ASD non regular?

This is NOT a commercial post! She is telling us where we can get inexpensive toys for Halloween. She herself is not benefiting from the Oriental Trading Company. *sheesh* BTW, are you even diabetic? Seems like all you do here is complain about people’s posts. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Using sicklys’ reasoning, I suppose me asking you where I could get an Hawaiian Ice Shaver was commercial info huh? Where will we spend all the money we made on that one huh? LMBO — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >This is NOT a commercial post! She is telling us where we can get >inexpensive toys for Halloween. She herself is not benefiting from the >Oriental Trading Company. *sheesh* BTW, are you even diabetic? Seems like >all you do here is complain about people’s posts. >– >Type 2 >http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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What a great idea..give out toys instead of candy. BUT…you gotta make sure the toys wont hurt the little kids eg swallowing,eyepoking geesh…OTH There is sugarfree hersheys kisses and other sugarfree treats…just an idea. Ed… (i will miss the corn candy and candy peanuts) The queen is near…i can hear the buzzing….

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But the sugar frees contain the ‘tols and can cause gastic distress which may affect children even more. We give them nickels. — c website http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

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<snip> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I told Guy my comment to him was my last thought on this nonsense. > But I just saw a commerical post (halloween candy) by renowned > Jennifer, a very respected ASD Regular. > I’m sure there are many other commerical posts by ASD Regulars. So > why the big stink about Conni? I don’t give a rats behind about the > political bullshit about aspertane. I’m more concerned about this > small group of people applying self made rules to certain newbies and > not to themselves. > If ASD regulars can use commerical posts as common everyday chitchat, > then ALL newbies can also use the same. > If ASD regulars can use political, religious, donations, commerical > Sigs, then all newbies can also use the same. > Rules and the charter apply to everybody. It does not mean that a > self ordained control group can do whatever it feels like.

Give it up, will you!? Jennifer simply pointed out (as I did in a previous post) that she was giving out toys for Halloween instead of candy. And she provided a link to where she bought the toys in case we wanted to do the same. Jennifer did not make any money from this. This is not the same thing as what some other people are doing. And Jennifer’s post was totally on topic because this is a diabetes newsgroup. Most of us don’t want a lot of candy in the house and many of us would just as soon not even give out candy to kids! She merely pointed out a helpful alternative. I bought some of my toys from the same place she did and I also bought some here! http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no… I am not benefiting in any way from providing that link either. That’s not my website. And I’m not selling anything. But my question still stands. What are you doing here? Do you have diabetes? Or are you just here to complain? http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no…

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Wow what a wonderful idea. Thanks Jennifer and Julie ! ! Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > I told Guy my comment to him was my last thought on this nonsense. > But I just saw a commerical post (halloween candy) by renowned > Jennifer, a very respected ASD Regular. > I’m sure there are many other commerical posts by ASD Regulars. So > why the big stink about Conni? I don’t give a rats behind about the > political bullshit about aspertane. I’m more concerned about this > small group of people applying self made rules to certain newbies and > not to themselves. > If ASD regulars can use commerical posts as common everyday chitchat, > then ALL newbies can also use the same. > If ASD regulars can use political, religious, donations, commerical > Sigs, then all newbies can also use the same. > Rules and the charter apply to everybody. It does not mean that a > self ordained control group can do whatever it feels like. > Give it up, will you!? Jennifer simply pointed out (as I did in a previous > post) that she was giving out toys for Halloween instead of candy. And she > provided a link to where she bought the toys in case we wanted to do the > same. Jennifer did not make any money from this. This is not the same > thing as what some other people are doing. And Jennifer’s post was totally > on topic because this is a diabetes newsgroup. Most of us don’t want a lot > of candy in the house and many of us would just as soon not even give out > candy to kids! She merely pointed out a helpful alternative. > I bought some of my toys from the same place she did and I also bought some > here!

http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no… > I am not benefiting in any way from providing that link either. That’s not > my website. And I’m not selling anything. But my question still stands. > What are you doing here? Do you have diabetes? Or are you just here to > complain?

http://www.ustoy.com/cgi-bin/ustoy_cgi.sh/WService=ustoy/ustoy.com/no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I hope you do as I have always taken pride in the website and even tried to help once but I am not good with computers other than getting into trouble. I will look forward to whatever you contribute. The arguing was not you but me. I have a huge migraine and I am the worlds biggest "B" when I have one. My daughter tells me I go from ) – "B" in three seconds when I don’t feel good. I am sorry you thought I meant you. I hope you do participate that would be very nice. Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You may not be talking about me, but I don’t think we’re arguing. As a > matter of fact I’m thinking about doing something about what we’re talking > about. > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it > seems. > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months > that has never taken place. > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested > in making the site the best on the net. > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or > something??? > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > Diana > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > — > > t2_lurking > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever > the > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? > It > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of > the > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better > but > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > Diana > > > > > Alan, > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > this > > > group > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? > Also > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted > them > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > Diana > > > > The Charter is available on

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Jim

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>Di, >If I can contrubuite information or web sites on those things, like gestational >diabetes, let me know… I’d be glad to help when I can. >Ruthie, RN >who likes to help! >Ruthie >Up here in Michigan. >Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. >Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! >and……. >Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

That would be excellent. could the two of you write a piece on what gestational diabetes is. provide links to various legit medical, community(diabetic), and personal story websites? Collect any personal stories from those willing to submit them from here. Please be sure to include info on how gestational diabetes can lead to diabetes later in life. Also how closely a gestational diabetic must be monitored by their medical team, how tightly their BG must be controlled and what meds they may be put on to help them. also, if at all possible, please find out what "don’ts" we should be aware of. If you can’t get the info from the web or the personal experiences of yourselves or others please ask your endos and OBs. Don’t worry about the web page part of it just write the project via email to each other until completed then email to the webmaster address on the site. if you need help from the group on specifics post it to the group and ask those with experience to clarify info or add or correct content. If you two are willing to do this let’s put a rough draft deadline on this of November 1st 2003. we’ll leave the exact content and work load division up to you two. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> I’d love to have Mr. "Kiwi-come-lately" do it, but wouldn’t > everything be upside down?

Being upside down allows the blood to run where it is needed most, the brain I guess the northern hemisphere could be guilty of thinking on their feet? lol.

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That is ok, I understand Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Alan, >how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group >on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also >maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them >here in this group when Jude was around???? >Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > Hi Diana > Thanks for the election victory, but I think it would be a little > presumptuous as a johnny-come-lately to become somehow "official". > However, I might post snippets occasionally as a reply to scammers and > spammers. > I know it won’t stop them, but it’ll make me feel better; > unfortunately, that may result in weekly posting anyway > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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>He/She, is merely here to raise hell. Constant complaining about "the >regulars", Having nothing re: Diabetes to contribute. Sound familiar?

Oh yeah, too familiar, unfortunately….. >Whomever "Sickly" is, if you check his/her message headers, you will >notice he/her has done a good job of altering them to hide his/her >identity. The only people who go to that much trouble to hide their >IDs, do so because they have something to hide.

I can respect someone bashing me if they have the guts to do it to my face. I have no use for a "hit and run" coward. Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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Di, If I can contrubuite information or web sites on those things, like gestational diabetes, let me know… I’d be glad to help when I can. Ruthie, RN who likes to help! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @—>—– Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Seen on a sign in rural Ohio…."Happiness is an Inside Job!"

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>I am not benefiting in any way from providing that link either. That’s not >my website. And I’m not selling anything. But my question still stands. >What are you doing here? Do you have diabetes? Or are you just here to >complain?

He/She, is merely here to raise hell. Constant complaining about "the regulars", Having nothing re: Diabetes to contribute. Sound familiar? Whomever "Sickly" is, if you check his/her message headers, you will notice he/her has done a good job of altering them to hide his/her identity. The only people who go to that much trouble to hide their IDs, do so because they have something to hide. This is a diabetes support group. Why would *anyone* have anything to hide? I much better than "plonk" Sleepy Support bacteria. They’re the only culture some people have

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>Alan, >how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group >on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also >maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them >here in this group when Jude was around???? >Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one

Hi Diana Thanks for the election victory, but I think it would be a little presumptuous as a johnny-come-lately to become somehow "official". However, I might post snippets occasionally as a reply to scammers and spammers. I know it won’t stop them, but it’ll make me feel better; unfortunately, that may result in weekly posting anyway Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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I’d love to have Mr. "Kiwi-come-lately" do it, but wouldn’t everything be upside down? <snerk> — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

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Wow that is so nice. Maybe Kate will see your post and forward it to the ones who are "silent" partners with Mack. It would be nice and thanks for your suggestions. I know at one time Mack had asked me to help the women in the group to give stories on "Gestational Diabetes" but I didn’t have luck on it and you could ask about that if you want to. I would really like to see it grow because to be honest it would be good to have a one stop info center for all we have questions about. Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Goody. > My main question would be: > How Can I Help? > I have some toys, Dreamweaver, FrontPage, Flash (MX) and I work in a > prepress enviroment so I have access to stuff, Mac, PC and "other". > My wife and I have our own address, and I manage the address at work, so I > can host anything. > My downside is that I’m totally self-taught, so’s there’s a lot of stuff > that goes right by me. > At any rate, I’m willing to help, but how? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > How is that > Di > > Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or > anyone? > > — > > t2_lurking > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts > her > > > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site > it > > > seems. > > > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" > stories > > > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for > months > > > that has never taken place. > > > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and > it > > > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of > bandwidth > > > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about > it > > > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say > who > > > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > > > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to > mention > > > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems > interested > > > in making the site the best on the net. > > > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new > info or > > > something??? > > > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > > > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > > > Diana > > > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > > > — > > > > t2_lurking > > > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. > The > > > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because > whoever > > > the > > > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the > site?????? > > > It > > > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one > of > > > the > > > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and > better > > > but > > > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > > > Diana > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > > > this > > > > > group > > > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the > job? > > > Also > > > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we > adopted > > > them > > > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > The Charter is available on > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > > > > > Jim

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How is that Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or anyone? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it > seems. > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months > that has never taken place. > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested > in making the site the best on the net. > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or > something??? > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > Diana > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > — > > t2_lurking > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever > the > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? > It > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of > the > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better > but > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > Diana > > > > > Alan, > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > this > > > group > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? > Also > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted > them > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > Diana > > > > The Charter is available on

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Jim

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Goody. My main question would be: How Can I Help? I have some toys, Dreamweaver, FrontPage, Flash (MX) and I work in a prepress enviroment so I have access to stuff, Mac, PC and "other". My wife and I have our own address, and I manage the address at work, so I can host anything. My downside is that I’m totally self-taught, so’s there’s a lot of stuff that goes right by me. At any rate, I’m willing to help, but how? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How is that > Di > Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or > anyone? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts > her > > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site > it > > seems. > > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" > stories > > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for > months > > that has never taken place. > > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and > it > > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of > bandwidth > > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about > it > > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say > who > > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to > mention > > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems > interested > > in making the site the best on the net. > > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new > info or > > something??? > > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > > Diana > > > How do you mean the site is dead? > > > — > > > t2_lurking > > > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > > > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. > The > > > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because > whoever > > the > > > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the > site?????? > > It > > > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one > of > > the > > > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and > better > > but > > > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > > > Diana > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > > this > > > > group > > > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the > job? > > Also > > > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we > adopted > > them > > > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > > > Diana > > > > > The Charter is available on > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > > > > Jim

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Actually, should we start a new thread? Whay do you think, or anyone? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her > stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it > seems. > Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories > and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months > that has never taken place. > I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it > didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth > anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it > and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who > she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. > This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention > arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested > in making the site the best on the net. > Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or > something??? > Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably > shouldn’t send this but am anyways. > Diana > How do you mean the site is dead? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever > the > > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? > It > > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of > the > > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better > but > > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > > Diana > > > > Alan, > > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for > this > > group > > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? > Also > > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted > them > > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > > Diana > > > The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > > Jim

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No one seems to participate in it like once before. Jennifer posts her stuff here in the ng most times before anyone sees it on the site it seems. Everyone seems to want privacy and the gallery never has "our" stories and photos like before. There is a poll that has been there for months that has never taken place. I sent my "story and photo" Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:33 AM and it didn’t get posted ( not that I mind since it took lots of bandwidth anyway ) but in general conversation I was telling Kate about it and she sent it to someone for me but was not at liberty to say who she sent it to on this date September 5 or 6th. This group is nothing but full of secrets and flames not to mention arguing like I am doing right now, anymore so no one seems interested in making the site the best on the net. Why have a site if it isn’t going to be updated often with new info or something??? Ok I am done complaining. Have a migraine anyway and probably shouldn’t send this but am anyways. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How do you mean the site is dead? > — > t2_lurking > geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom > Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) > Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever the > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? It > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of the > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better but > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > Diana > > > Alan, > > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this > group > > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also > > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them > > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > > Diana > > The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > > Jim

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You may not be talking about me, but I don’t think we’re arguing. As a matter of fact I’m thinking about doing something about what we’re talking about. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

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How do you mean the site is dead? — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The > site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever the > webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? It > isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of the > first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better but > that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. > Diana > > Alan, > > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this > group > > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also > > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them > > here in this group when Jude was around???? > > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > > Diana > The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > Jim

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Jennifer was anticipating the next question which would have been, Where do you get those. Not that you would have known this, but this subject came up two weeks ago with a whole thread about where to get toys and chocolate eyeballs. If you don’t see the difference then you are just looking for flames. — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. > From a google search: >Original charter posted by Jude Crouch >This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes >mellitus, their families and loved ones. > Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information >in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the >disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group >alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of >diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in >the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 >million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health >Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 >million in the next 25 years. >It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, >binaries or HTML. > I told Guy my comment to him was my last thought on this nonsense. > But I just saw a commerical post (halloween candy) by renowned > Jennifer, a very respected ASD Regular. > I’m sure there are many other commerical posts by ASD Regulars. So > why the big stink about Conni? I don’t give a rats behind about the > political bullshit about aspertane. I’m more concerned about this > small group of people applying self made rules to certain newbies and > not to themselves. > If ASD regulars can use commerical posts as common everyday chitchat, > then ALL newbies can also use the same. > If ASD regulars can use political, religious, donations, commerical > Sigs, then all newbies can also use the same. > Rules and the charter apply to everybody. It does not mean that a > self ordained control group can do whatever it feels like.

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> Alan, > how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group > on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also > maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them > here in this group when Jude was around???? > Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one > Diana

The Charter is available on http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org Jim

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> What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……?

Wolf died a year back I believe of Diabetes. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Yes I know that but it still would not hurt to post it either. The site is dead. Kate had to send my part to someone because whoever the webmaster is was not webmastering so what good is the site?????? It isn’t growing no more than the last one. I had hoped being one of the first then others would join in too and make it bigger and better but that won’t happen because no one is interested anymore. Diana

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Alan, how would like to begin posting Jude’s Charter he made for this group on a once a week basis?? I elect you. Will you take the job? Also maybe the links to the FAQ’s that Mr Reid made and we adopted them here in this group when Jude was around???? Take the Challenge and no not the Pepsi one Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. > From a google search: > Original charter posted by Jude Crouch > This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes > mellitus, their families and loved ones. > Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information > in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the > disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group > alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of > diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in > the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 > million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health > Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 > million in the next 25 years. > It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. > This is the charter. It is intended that this newsgroup will not have > a separate FAQ, an extensive multi-part Diabetes FAQ exists at > <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/>. " > Personally, I have no problem with the gradual blending of asd, mhd > and afd. I think that is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing. > But repetition of one bit may be useful: > "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. " > PS. I’m not a usenet cop (who’d take any notice of me?? Make my day? > Yeah….sure…) but it would be nice if we attempted to stay within > the charter if possible. > What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……? > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. From a google search: Original charter posted by Jude Crouch This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes mellitus, their families and loved ones. Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 million in the next 25 years. It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, binaries or HTML. alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. This is the charter. It is intended that this newsgroup will not have a separate FAQ, an extensive multi-part Diabetes FAQ exists at <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/>. " Personally, I have no problem with the gradual blending of asd, mhd and afd. I think that is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing. But repetition of one bit may be useful: "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, binaries or HTML. alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. " PS. I’m not a usenet cop (who’d take any notice of me?? Make my day? Yeah….sure…) but it would be nice if we attempted to stay within the charter if possible. What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……? Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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Hi, Jude dropped out of sight without a word. Last I heard Wolf passed away. I have no clue how Jude is doing though he claimed me to be his best friend next to Charlie. Sorry can’t help much. Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lots of people mention the charter. No-one seems to post it anymore. > From a google search: > Original charter posted by Jude Crouch > This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes > mellitus, their families and loved ones. > Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information > in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about the > disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group > alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of > diabetes. There are currently 15.7 million persons with diabetes in > the USA (according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 > million persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health > Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to 300 > million in the next 25 years. > It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. > This is the charter. It is intended that this newsgroup will not have > a separate FAQ, an extensive multi-part Diabetes FAQ exists at > <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/>. " > Personally, I have no problem with the gradual blending of asd, mhd > and afd. I think that is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing. > But repetition of one bit may be useful: > "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, > binaries or HTML. > alt.support.diabetes is not moderated. " > PS. I’m not a usenet cop (who’d take any notice of me?? Make my day? > Yeah….sure…) but it would be nice if we attempted to stay within > the charter if possible. > What happened to Jude, and Wolf and……? > Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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What is a good hba1c?

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>I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my >meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She >is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input >regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. >Martin

Type 1s and type 2s have different A1c targets do to an increased risk of hypos in type 1s. That being said, an A1c of 8.1 is still to high for a type 1. Your sister needs to get it down into the 6s at the very least into the low 7s. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. > She is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any > input regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Martin

Are you Type 2 ? It is generally easier for a T2 to maintain a lower A1c than a T1 because the likelihood of a T2 going low is much less than for a T1, especially if the T2 is not on insulin. A T1 generally has a harder time keeping their BG in check…opting to go high rather than low because staying a little higher is much less dangerous in the short term. The target A1c for a T2 and T1 are usually different. Some T1’s manager their DM very strictly and can achieve a low A1c but research shows that the major side affect of such tight control is a higher incidence of hypoglycemic episodes. — Usenet Newsgroup Service New Rate! $9.95/Month 50GB

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my > > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. > > She > > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any > > input > > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. > Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not > so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have > trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Why would t1s have more trouble than t2s with hypos? I’m assuming both to be > on > insulin.

Yes, well, not all t2s are on insulin. My guess would be that less than half are. Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise, and just starting metformin — The Episcopal Church welcomes you… and you… and you….

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This post not CC’d by email – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Quentin: > >Mary in OK > OK??? OK doesn’t seem to quite do it. > Renowned for reserve are we in Oklahoma? <grin> >OK is the postal two letter abbreviation for Oklahoma, but the reserve >may be true. I remember cross from Texas into Oklahoma and seeing a sign >that said "no man’s land." It did look any different than Texas. Of >course before Alaska became a State, the Texans could say we have the >biggest of everything, whereas the Californians can still say they have >the best of everything. >Frank

G’day G’day Frank, Perhaps it is a case of dry climates breeding a dry sense of humour. Don’t know what this does for the folks living in Fiordland where the rainfall can be a couple of meters in a bad year. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. > Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not > so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have > trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

Why would t1s have more trouble than t2s with hypos? I’m assuming both to be on insulin. Jon

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Thank you all for your replies. I know very well the risk of hypos; my father, mother, brother, sister and son are diabetic too. My son spent the night in hospital only two weeks ago after a convulsion. The main problem is with my siblings (t1)and parents (t2), who live together. Hba1c’s in double figures are not uncommon and they think they are doing fine when they get down to 8. Yet my father has been practically blinded and my mother has an ulcer on her foot. My 30’s brother has had eye surgery, gastric problems and neuropathy (and god knows what else). My sister is only 25 and isn’t doing too bad right now, but she takes far too many liberties with her diet. None of them have a real grip on their diabetes. I go round for a meal and there is a chocolate cake and bars of chocolate on the table. It makes me despair.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This post not CC’d by email >I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my >meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She >is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input >regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. >Martin > G’day G’day Martin, > It is all a matter of risk analysis. Only about one T2 in two > hundred has a hypo severe enough to put them in the emergency ward. > For T1s it is a very real possibility and their hypos can be life > threatening. For that reason many of them prefer to fly with a little > more altitude. > It makes life simpler if you think of T1 diabetes and T2 diabetes as > being two different diseases. > Imagine for a wild moment that you confused T2 diabetes with > gestational diabetes. You might get ideas that the diabetes would > disappear when the baby was born. Not helpful. <grin> > Best wishes, > — > Quentin Grady ^ ^ / > New Zealand, >#,#< [ > / / > "… and the blind dog was leading." > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Quentin: >Mary in OK > OK??? OK doesn’t seem to quite do it. > Renowned for reserve are we in Oklahoma? <grin>

OK is the postal two letter abbreviation for Oklahoma, but the reserve may be true. I remember cross from Texas into Oklahoma and seeing a sign that said "no man’s land." It did look any different than Texas. Of course before Alaska became a State, the Texans could say we have the biggest of everything, whereas the Californians can still say they have the best of everything. Frank

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This post not CC’d by email >Thank you all for your replies. I know very well the risk of hypos; my >father, mother, brother, sister and son are diabetic too. >My son spent the night in hospital only two weeks ago after a convulsion. >The main problem is with my siblings (t1)and parents (t2), who live >together. Hba1c’s in double figures are not uncommon and they think they are >doing fine when they get down to 8. Yet my father has been practically >blinded and my mother has an ulcer on her foot. My 30’s brother has had eye >surgery, gastric problems and neuropathy (and god knows what else). My >sister is only 25 and isn’t doing too bad right now, but she takes far too >many liberties with her diet. >None of them have a real grip on their diabetes. I go round for a meal and >there is a chocolate cake and bars of chocolate on the table. It makes me >despair.

G’day G’day Martin, There is hope … for the next generation. It must be awful coping emotionally with circumstances like that. One almost has to do a triage. Figure out who is savable and who is not. You and your son have to take top priority. I put you first because without you, your son would have no worthy example. So there is a double onus on you to show what can be achieved and over time he will be able to make his own comparisons based on the consequences he sees around him. If you are lucky your sister might see the light and come around to thinking long and medium turn rather than short term. However even though she is only 25, she is an adult and the bottom line is she will have to make that decision for herself. She hasn’t yet learnt from her 30’s brother’s experience so who knows what will motivate her to change. Whatever. It is obvious you don’t intend to follow in there in footstep. You know what you don’t want. The questions now are focussed on what you do want. What is it you want for you and your son and how can we help you both? Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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This post not CC’d by email >I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my >meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She >is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input >regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. >Martin

G’day G’day Martin, It is all a matter of risk analysis. Only about one T2 in two hundred has a hypo severe enough to put them in the emergency ward. For T1s it is a very real possibility and their hypos can be life threatening. For that reason many of them prefer to fly with a little more altitude. It makes life simpler if you think of T1 diabetes and T2 diabetes as being two different diseases. Imagine for a wild moment that you confused T2 diabetes with gestational diabetes. You might get ideas that the diabetes would disappear when the baby was born. Not helpful. <grin> Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase > my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. > Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not > so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have > trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side.

A slight disagreement ( but only slight ) here with you, Julie. It is better still for t1 to adjust their diet and exercise and not leave everything naively to the insulin. Then the 5% club without serious or frequent hypos is definitely possible. Diet? lower carb, but not as far as Atkins, imho. Exercise? lots of it, in everybodys opinion. Insulin? Do NOT assume your doc knows best or is a god, because the sum total of human diabetic knowledge is prolly less than 10% of what there is to know. You may need, or not need, to experiment a bit with different insulins. For controlling those experiments, OldAl is an excellent man to listen to. This post is not in any way intended to criticise you, Julie, just a further expansion on what you said. Al. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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This post not CC’d by email >Speaking of good HbA1C…. >I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 >count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 >Doing the happy dance with him, >Mary in OK

OK??? OK doesn’t seem to quite do it. Renowned for reserve are we in Oklahoma? <grin> G’day G’day, I think you are both brilliant. Well done. What is so neat is you are as thrilled as he is. Fabulous that you can celebrate together. Hope you have some celebrations planned or about to hatch some plans. Hey, the numbers are one thing, the change of life for the better is something indescribably better. Best wishes to you both. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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Great news! A Happy Dance Couple! Do the Dance guys! Good job to ypur DH and to you Mary, for your support! — t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Speaking of good HbA1C…. > I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 > count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 > Doing the happy dance with him, > Mary in OK

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> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome.

Depends on what is normal for your lab and whether you are type 1 or 2. Normal for my lab is <6.0. So anything <6.0 is good. 6.0 and over is not so good. Why the difference between type 1 and 2? Some type 1’s have trouble with hypos and for them it is better to run a bit on the high side. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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That is, like, way cool! You both must be really happy! — c website http://www.plazaearth.com/philo

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The top dogs in the U.S. diabetes treatment, the AACE, assert that 6.5 is the maximum "acceptable". T1 have a rougher time hitting that value because of the danger of going hypo. However, much of that "danger of hypo" is related to the older insulins like R and N. With the newer, more poweful insulins, it is easier to hit those HbA1c. Humalog or Novolog + Lantus is a pretty good combo which allows one to hit lower HbA1c while avoiding hypos. The newest basal insulin, Insulin Detemir, has promise for beating Lantus (if you are willing to shoot it three times a day that is). Regards Old Al (T1 on Humalog and Ultralente) How much insulin do I shoot each day? As much as I need that day. How often do I shoot each day? As often as I need to that day, 7, 9, 12 shots or whatever. What’s my HbA1c on that regime? 5.7

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He deserves a big kiss and maybe more for that splinted effort. TerryR > Speaking of good HbA1C…. > I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on

May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 > Doing the happy dance with him, > Mary in OK

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Speaking of good HbA1C…. I’m SO proud of my Type 2 husband! He was diagnosed on May 1, 2003 with a 15.3 count. Today we got his blood test results from last Tuesday….. 5.8 Doing the happy dance with him, Mary in OK

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That’s fantastic progress in such a short period! Congratulations to both of you! — T2 – HbA1c: 5.3% http://www.bollar.org/diabetes.htm

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I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. Martin

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It needs to be <6.5% according to the AACE. http://www.aace.com/pub/press/releases/index.php?r=20010821 I understand that T1s have a harder time with control, so perhaps there’s more to your sister’s situation than you know. — T2 – HbA1c: 5.3% http://www.bollar.org/diabetes.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a bit confused. When my hba1c went over 7 it was decided to increase my > meds, but my t1 sister was told not to worry when her reading was 8.1. She > is down from double figures but it still seems pretty bad to me. Any input > regarding what makes a good hba1c would be welcome. > Martin

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Fortunately I have high tech computer knowledge and know not ot open ANYTHING that I am unsure of as well as running Norton AntiVirus on everything incoming. (Takes a little longer but well worth it. There are a ton of messgaes (My account received 144 my husbands 154) that appear to come from microsft, Nortons, Symantech, and Service Prviders that say they are a patch for your windows operating system. DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS!!!!! The attachments are called things as simple as UPDATE with a number, to PATCH.EXE to anything they think might make you open it. They are all the same worm virus and will begin to destroy your system immediately. For more info go directly to Microsofts website at www.microsoft.com and read more about it. …..Another friendly warning from someone who knows nothing……. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Fortunately I have high tech computer knowledge and know not ot open > ANYTHING that I am unsure of as well as running Norton AntiVirus on > everything incoming. (Takes a little longer but well worth it. > There are a ton of messgaes (My account received 144 my husbands 154) that > appear to come from microsft, Nortons, Symantech, and Service Prviders that > say they are a patch for your windows operating system. > DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS!!!!! > The attachments are called things as simple as UPDATE with a number, to > PATCH.EXE to anything they think might make you open it. > They are all the same worm virus and will begin to destroy your system > immediately. > For more info go directly to Microsofts website at www.microsoft.com and > read more about it. > …..Another friendly warning from someone who knows nothing……. > Conni Brady > Aspartame Awareness > www.bradymax.com/nzaa

Agreed. This Swen virus is spreading pretty quickly. Ironic that it’s based on a flaw in Microsoft Windows that’s two years old (that’s why I generally use Mozilla). From ZDNet: "It takes advantage of a two-year-old Internet Explorer flaw that allows it to execute directly from an e-mail message without the help of the user." Everyone please note (because it bears repeating), Microsoft would NEVER send you ANY kind of update for Windows in an email… no matter how official this one looks. Keep your systems updated. Ken

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> …..Another friendly warning from someone who knows nothing…….

Did you look to see there are three or four threads discussing this very thing right now? You only posted this to get your Aspartame Nut Case web site posted one more time. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, but I am not going to argue over it. If there are people who are weary of the Aspartame sweetner, then there are those. If there are people who drink and eat products with it in there, then there are those. If you have no problem with it….fine. She even mentioned in one of her previous posts that she had nothing against Splenda, but absolutely did over Stevia. There are people in the group who like Splenda, and totally against Stevia. It’s there…but probably in one of the headers to do with sweetners that were recently brought up here. Being diabetic herself, which all she has mentioned involving diabetes, makes me not disbelieve she isn’t a diabetic. What gets me is how she has been harrassed, labeled and called Betty Martini or one of the followers. Some come to the group hearing about the stories, and often times labeled themselves. Even if it was something they read or heard, not knowing how the subject itself gets some a little riled. I don’t care who eats or drinks aspartame products or who fears it’s usage. She just brought up the problem of this virus. It didn’t have to be a name calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was full at 160 (something). How is that??!! I would like to get rid of it myself. I think I will e-mail my Yahoo account to see if I have the virus for sure. I probably can tell there. I would like to know how I can eliminate this problem myself being a Webtv person. Must I get myself another e-mail? Change my main e-mail address? I can’t get hardware like a PC user to eliminate viruses ect. …. or spam….. There is a firewall built inside Webtv’s but viruses can be transferred to PC users. I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. Kimberly Hedrick Type 1, since 1974, at age 3.

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> I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more.

There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long as I am here. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I >have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was >full at 160 (something). How is that??!!

You probably have 2 limits. One is on the number of messages (500). The other is on the total amount of memory allowed to store them. In your case it looks like 20 MB, which would get filled with those 160-odd worms (they are each a little above 150k).

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> Ronnie has to hassle somebody.

I will always question liars — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Harold, I believe the e-mails take up my storage capacity. When I go to delete e-mails, it shows the capacity that each of these bogus e-mails take up. Some being 150K. I am thinking of probably changing my main e-mail account. I don’t think it has effected my other e-mail accounts, just my main one. I have saved e-mails that are important, and wonder if I send them to a new account would spread the virus to a new main account? Possible???…or not? Kimberly Hedrick type 1, since 1974, at age 3.

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>Harold, >I believe the e-mails take up my storage capacity. When I go to delete >e-mails, it shows the capacity that each of these bogus e-mails take up. >Some being 150K. I am thinking of probably changing my main e-mail >account. I don’t think it has effected my other e-mail accounts, just my >main one. I have saved e-mails that are important, and wonder if I send >them to a new account would spread the virus to a new main account? >Possible???…or not?

The legitimate emails would not spread the virus if forwarded to a new account. This virus (or more properly, this worm), SWEN.A, was started by someone harvesting email addresses from newsgroups like this one and then sending it to huge numbers of people all at once. When it reaches a computer using Internet Explorer it tries to disable protective software (firewalls) and send itself out to whatever addresses it can find. It does not attach itself as a rider to any emails you might send, either new ones or forwarded ones. It sends itself. This is the first one to cause me any real problem – my mailbox is only half the size of yours (10 MB), so it fills up with 70 or so copies. I’ve received somewhere over a thousand by now, so it’s an effort to keep my mailbox empty. I’m going to have to take a serious look at a different setup. It was only earlier this year that I saw the first widespread use of a worm (GIBE.B) that started using addresses harvested from newsgroups – but I think it will soon be standard.

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Again Kimberly, Thanks for your kinds words of encouragement, and noticing the unfair treatment a person can endure for simply using a signature. No I won’t stop using it. If it’s upsetting people so much, let them do what I have about one specific user we aren’t seeing here anymore for now. Complain to the computer Gods and have me taken care of. I’m in no way in breach of any contracts by using the signature I use, so please ANYONE who’s upset over it.. complain to the moderators and even the webmaster at bradymax.com. Those of whom don’t choose to use the proven methods of complaints and instead decide to abuse someone over what they BELIEVE I am saying without asking me what I mean, are simply here to cause rucus, not LEARN from others with the same disease. In my opinion, if you are here to read, and add comments on the subject (In an intellectual fashion) then you are a much wanted person on these boards. If you are here to cuss at people, name call, and make accusations without investigation, then you aren’t needed or wanted.. But like the majority of the users here, if I read something I don’t agree with I will either state why I don’t agree and give factual exidence of my points, or I won’t say anything and move on to the next letter. If everyone lived by that, this place sure would be a much nicer place to post. Now can we PLEASE get on with the real subject at hand here? (Ha I doubt it, those bashers will now entertain bashing some more cuz I am again using my signature) Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is > having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has > the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, > but I am not going to argue over it. If there are people who are weary > of the Aspartame sweetner, then there are those. If there are people who > drink and eat products with it in there, then there are those. If you > have no problem with it….fine. She even mentioned in one of her > previous posts that she had nothing against Splenda, but absolutely did > over Stevia. There are people in the group who like Splenda, and totally > against Stevia. It’s there…but probably in one of the headers to do > with sweetners that were recently brought up here. Being diabetic > herself, which all she has mentioned involving diabetes, makes me not > disbelieve she isn’t a diabetic. What gets me is how she has been > harrassed, labeled and called Betty Martini or one of the followers. > Some come to the group hearing about the stories, and often times > labeled themselves. Even if it was something they read or heard, not > knowing how the subject itself gets some a little riled. I don’t care > who eats or drinks aspartame products or who fears it’s usage. She just > brought up the problem of this virus. It didn’t have to be a name > calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I > have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was > full at 160 (something). How is that??!! I would like to get rid of it > myself. I think I will e-mail my Yahoo account to see if I have the > virus for sure. I probably can tell there. I would like to know how I > can eliminate this problem myself being a Webtv person. Must I get > myself another e-mail? Change my main e-mail address? I can’t get > hardware like a PC user to eliminate viruses ect. …. or spam….. > There is a firewall built inside Webtv’s but viruses can be transferred > to PC users. > I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. > Kimberly Hedrick > Type 1, since 1974, > at age 3.

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So now you’re accusing me of lying about the virus? Okay…. hahhahahaha Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ronnie has to hassle somebody. > I will always question liars > — > Ronnie Ruff > So shines a good deed in a weary world. > –Willy Wonka– > I pray for the power. To turn it around. > I’m too old to die young. And too young > to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Okay Harold, (Minding you all this virus stuff is totally off subject of diabetes,) but others might want to know the aswer to this if they are having the same problem with them. I’m using outlook express, (Used to use netscape so I’m unfamiliar with all outlook has ot offer) Why is it when I set the mesage rule to say do not download off the server anything over 4kb it’s still taking them? Any clues how to tell it not to even let them on my system? I’ve now got it set up to toss anything that says in the "TO" line consumer, partner, or customer, and anything that says in the subject line microsoft, or security, but wouldnt the other rule of don’ download it if it’s over 4 kb supercede the other rules? Cuz it’s not doing that now. <G> Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->calling match. However, it is DRIVING ME NUTS seeing it in my e-mails. I >have a 500 e-mail capacity and this morning my e-mail box stated it was >full at 160 (something). How is that??!! > You probably have 2 limits. One is on the number of messages (500). > The other is on the total amount of memory allowed to store them. In > your case it looks like 20 MB, which would get filled with those > 160-odd worms (they are each a little above 150k).

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Kim, I’d say if you change accounts now with this still being as widely spread as it is right now, it’ll probably find its way to your new account. I’d hold off for now and give it a week or so to die off and see what happens. Like all the other viruses out there we’ve endured, the big GURU’s of the world (Microsoft and internet service providers) will have tons of people trying to stop this real soon. Just my opinion, but I’d hate to see youwasteyour time trying to fix it only to seeit happen all again. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Harold, > I believe the e-mails take up my storage capacity. When I go to delete > e-mails, it shows the capacity that each of these bogus e-mails take up. > Some being 150K. I am thinking of probably changing my main e-mail > account. I don’t think it has effected my other e-mail accounts, just my > main one. I have saved e-mails that are important, and wonder if I send > them to a new account would spread the virus to a new main account? > Possible???…or not? > Kimberly Hedrick > type 1, since 1974, > at age 3.

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I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for their stance on Aspartame. What’s up with Aspartame? I just glanced at a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much crapola, web site. Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here. Thanks! dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > So now you’re accusing me of lying about the virus? > Okay…. > hahhahahaha > Conni Brady > Aspartame Awareness > www.bradymax.com/nzaa >>Ronnie has to hassle somebody. >I will always question liars >– >Ronnie Ruff >So shines a good deed in a weary world. > –Willy Wonka– >I pray for the power. To turn it around. >I’m too old to die young. And too young >to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 >http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>>Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is >having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has >the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, >Ronnie has to hassle somebody.

And generally he is right on the money. As the Southern joke goes "they needed killin’ " Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" what my overall goals in life are. Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. > There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to > scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long > as I am here. > — > Ronnie Ruff > So shines a good deed in a weary world. > –Willy Wonka– > I pray for the power. To turn it around. > I’m too old to die young. And too young > to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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Connie, For many years we have tolerate the "Betty" thing where the is a large amount of posting. It has rubbed most of us pretty thin. My diabetes is a major issue in my life and I resent people using the news group for something that is not acceptable in most circles. I have to do the best I can to survive. When this "over concern" runs the good people away and deprives me of good information I do resent it. We must realize that other people have some "rights". When the FDA says Aspartame is unsafe I will quit drinking it. I consider their reputation much more credible than some individual with a thing. Give us credit, some of are very familiar with the science involved. We have dealt first hand with screwy ideas to get attention. Part of life. But there are a lot of people here. It is your duty to respect them and fit in. Everyone has a right to live. So pleas use some judgment and allow the group to function. I give them enough nonsense. Guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" >what my overall goals in life are. >Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You >don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so >don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! >Conni Brady >Aspartame Awareness >www.bradymax.com/nzaa > > I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject > > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. > There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to > scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long > as I am here. > — > Ronnie Ruff > So shines a good deed in a weary world. > –Willy Wonka– > I pray for the power. To turn it around. > I’m too old to die young. And too young > to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 > http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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ah, so it IS connie. she didn’t reply to my message earlier in this thread…there’s always someone who will try to hijack a NG for their own agenda. I bet they couldn’t color inside the lines with their Crayolas either… dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Connie, For many years we have tolerate the "Betty" thing > where the is a large amount of posting. It has rubbed > most of us pretty thin. My diabetes is a major > issue in my life and I resent people using the news > group for something that is not acceptable in > most circles. I have to do the best I can to > survive. When this "over concern" runs the good > people away and deprives me of good > information I do resent it. We must realize that other > people have some "rights". > When the FDA says Aspartame is unsafe I > will quit drinking it. I consider their reputation > much more credible than some individual > with a thing. > Give us credit, some of are very familiar with the > science involved. We have dealt first hand with > screwy ideas to get attention. Part of life. > But there are a lot of people here. It is your duty > to respect them and fit in. Everyone has a right > to live. So pleas use some judgment and allow > the group to function. I give them enough > nonsense. > Guy >Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" >what my overall goals in life are. >Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You >don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so >don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! >Conni Brady >Aspartame Awareness >www.bradymax.com/nzaa >>>I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject >>>was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. >>There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to >>scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long >>as I am here. >>– >>Ronnie Ruff >>So shines a good deed in a weary world. >> –Willy Wonka– >>I pray for the power. To turn it around. >>I’m too old to die young. And too young >>to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 >>http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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> I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for > their stance on Aspartame. What’s up with Aspartame? I just glanced at > a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much > crapola, web site. Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or > point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here. Thanks!

You do realize that you are playing into the hands of a troll? Or is it a sock puppet? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" > what my overall goals in life are.

Uh, it is rather obvious since it’s listed at the bottom of all your messages. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Julie, I’m a big boy who can PLONK with the best of them. If she gets out of hand, she goes out of sight. Right now, I want to reserve judgment, since I’m new to this NG. Some folks that I disagree with I won’t EVER plonk because I want to do my civic duty by refuting their outrageous ideas that might dissuade a fellow db from trying pumping, or at least looking into it. While I’m not too thrilled with MiniMed’s response to the 511/512 watertight issue, I thank God the company exists for our benefit. Wouldn’t it be a breath of fresh air to log onto the NG one day and not find any flame wars waging? dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for >their stance on Aspartame. What’s up with Aspartame? I just glanced at >a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much >crapola, web site. Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or >point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here. Thanks! > You do realize that you are playing into the hands of a troll? Or is it a > sock puppet?

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Eat your aspartame little kiddie… Go on.. its good for you I swear! ~Quoted from the FDA! I hear a good dose of Gasoline in a cup of Aspartame flavored kool-aid does wonder for your skin.. (NOT!) But do try it… If it’s so good for you my dear little bashing unintellects, please do enthrall us with how much you consume…. I’d be real curious to know if you have the audacity to sit here and bash the heck out of people for sayng what they beleive and trying to help others when you probably don’t even use the stuff… Let’s see if I’m right. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m not sure if it’s you, but someone on this NG has been targeted for > their stance on Aspartame. What’s up with Aspartame? I just glanced at > a doom and gloom, sky is falling, I haven’t got time to read that much > crapola, web site. Could you distill the issue to 2 or 3 sentences or > point me to the person who has a "thing" for Aspartame here. Thanks! > You do realize that you are playing into the hands of a troll? Or is it a > sock puppet? > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Really BEV, is that your name… Since I don’t know ROnnie, or you, please do tell me how you both think you know what my intentions are? Judging books by their covers without reading the context inside? How about ASKING what MY intentions are instead of ASSUMING.. You do know the old cleche’ about ASSUME? Making an ASS out of U and ME? Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Come on Ronnie…..apparently Conni is having the same thing everyone is >>having with this virus. Obviously, it is in her sig line that she has >>the Aspartame awareness. She could of dis-attatched it if she wanted, >Ronnie has to hassle somebody. > And generally he is right on the money. > As the Southern joke goes "they needed killin’ " > Bev > Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. > Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet > /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk > More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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> (Ha I doubt it, those bashers will now entertain bashing some more cuz I am > again using my signature)

Your signature leads to a website that publishes LIES to scare diabetics. Shame on you. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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See Guy, here you go now too, and I just don’t get you people. I made one post about Aspartame when I first came to the boards. Since then I have refrained from posting anything about Asartame unles someone wanted to know about it, or said they had symptoms I felt might be aspartame related. Other than that I have posted completely on subject, ADDING MY SIGNATURE which you all seem to have. Now why is it that because I chose to post with the same signature everytime just like the rest of you do that I have to be harassed by poersoal email, and see tese kind of postings? If you people don’t want to know about aspartame awareness, then don’t read my signature and don’t visit my website.. Do what I do with most of your signatures and get what is pertenent out of it such as my name. If you don’t agree with what you’ve seen me post then after the first few words, stop reading it. I have to do that all the time. None of what any of this group has to say is a 100% science. None of us with all our experiences with this disease can be 100% correct about anything as we are all different with different bodies. Its a group of people supposedly sharing their life experiences about diabetes and sharing what has and has not worked for us as well as asking questions about things we worry about. so please for the sake of the group, get off the bashing me for using a signature like you all do, and do as you said, get back to the subjects at hand. DIABETES. Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Connie, For many years we have tolerate the "Betty" thing > where the is a large amount of posting. It has rubbed > most of us pretty thin. My diabetes is a major > issue in my life and I resent people using the news > group for something that is not acceptable in > most circles. I have to do the best I can to > survive. When this "over concern" runs the good > people away and deprives me of good > information I do resent it. We must realize that other > people have some "rights". > When the FDA says Aspartame is unsafe I > will quit drinking it. I consider their reputation > much more credible than some individual > with a thing. > Give us credit, some of are very familiar with the > science involved. We have dealt first hand with > screwy ideas to get attention. Part of life. > But there are a lot of people here. It is your duty > to respect them and fit in. Everyone has a right > to live. So pleas use some judgment and allow > the group to function. I give them enough > nonsense. > Guy >Isn’t it amazing how someone I’ve never met or talked to before can "KNOW" >what my overall goals in life are. >Ronnie Ruff, ( and I do agree you’re a pretty RUFF person to deal with) You >don’t know me, you havent bothered to ask me what my intentions are, so >don’t make accusations you can’t PROVE! >Conni Brady >Aspartame Awareness >www.bradymax.com/nzaa >> > I don’t mean to piss off anyone, but I appologize if I did. The subject >> > was to be warned of a virus, and nothing more. >> There were over 200 posts and three threads on the virus. She is here to >> scare diabetics about aspartame. She will not do it without hassle as long >> as I am here. >> — >> Ronnie Ruff >> So shines a good deed in a weary world. >> –Willy Wonka– >> I pray for the power. To turn it around. >> I’m too old to die young. And too young >> to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 >> http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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The return of a great resource site

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am I wrong? aren’t all of your topics lifted from discussions here? even the wording of the topics are almost word for word. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Welcome back to the new TalkOnDiabetes.net! >Hello, Friends, it’s great to be back and giving help and kind words >to all of those that need. About last year, we decided to take the >site down for renovations. Now, with close to about 30,000 visitors, >we brought it back up with an improved format and a better look. We >hope that you would come and take a look at the place we call, "The >home for diabetes worldwide". Our mailing list is now open. For more >Here’s some of the latest news and information: >Diabetes ‘catastrophe’ warning – >One of Britain’s most senior doctors warned yesterday that we are >heading for "one of the biggest health catastrophes that the world has >ever seen" as diabetes spreads across the globe >Lizard-Spit Drug Helps in Diabetes – >It lowers blood sugar. It seems to cause weight loss. And now it’s the >hottest drug in the diabetes pipeline. It also happens to come from >the venom of the Gila monster >Americans Gaining Weight, Not Losing – >If you’ve noticed the scale tipping in the wrong direction lately, >you’re not alone. A new Gallup poll shows that nearly half of >Americans have gained weight in the last five years >Study Shows Two Type 2 Medications May Cause Heart, Lung Problems – >Two diabetes medications taken by more than 6 million Americans may >lead to serious side effects, including the onset of congestive heart >failure and pulmonary edema >Country-music icon loses battle with diabetes at 71 – >Johnny Cash, the rumble-voiced "Man in Black" who served for six >decades as country music’s gentle giant, has died from respiratory >failure due to complications from diabetes. He was 71 >Know your herbs: Do you know about Bitter Melon? What about >Fenugreek? You can read more about them and so much more. >Herbal Detoxification – >The herbal approach to detoxification is based upon the premise that >the human body is a self healing and homeostatic organism, and that >the therapist simply has to support normal processes. >CLUE FOR A CURE: "I believe the main source of the intestinal fluke >is undercooked meat and dairy products. After we are infected with it >this way, we can give it to each other through blood, saliva, semen, >and breast milk, which means kissing on the mouth, sex, nursing, and >childbearing." >A LESSON FROM A TO ZINC: Do diabetics need chromium, and why? >From the Viewpoint, where medical professionals talk on diabetes: >"Over a billion people worldwide are classified as overweight and at >high risk for developing other serious conditions such as heart >disease and diabetes. Faced with this burgeoning health crisis, >scientists are striving to gain new insights into mechanisms that >govern fat cells, called adipocytes." >COME VISIT THE NEW TALKONSHOP, FEATURING IMPORTANT BOOKS, WONDERFUL >GIFTS AND SPORTY GEAR WITH A MESSAGE. Portions of purchases will be >donated to Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation. So this year, buy a >gift and help a child. >All of these topics, plus so much more, at TalkOnDiabetes.net – >Diabetics for diabetics worldwide >www.TalkOnDiabetes.net – Think. Learn. Talk about it. >Regards, >Ashley

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Welcome back to the new TalkOnDiabetes.net! Hello, Friends, it’s great to be back and giving help and kind words to all of those that need. About last year, we decided to take the site down for renovations. Now, with close to about 30,000 visitors, we brought it back up with an improved format and a better look. We hope that you would come and take a look at the place we call, "The home for diabetes worldwide". Our mailing list is now open. For more Here’s some of the latest news and information: >Diabetes ‘catastrophe’ warning –

One of Britain’s most senior doctors warned yesterday that we are heading for "one of the biggest health catastrophes that the world has ever seen" as diabetes spreads across the globe >Lizard-Spit Drug Helps in Diabetes –

It lowers blood sugar. It seems to cause weight loss. And now it’s the hottest drug in the diabetes pipeline. It also happens to come from the venom of the Gila monster >Americans Gaining Weight, Not Losing –

If you’ve noticed the scale tipping in the wrong direction lately, you’re not alone. A new Gallup poll shows that nearly half of Americans have gained weight in the last five years >Study Shows Two Type 2 Medications May Cause Heart, Lung Problems –

Two diabetes medications taken by more than 6 million Americans may lead to serious side effects, including the onset of congestive heart failure and pulmonary edema >Country-music icon loses battle with diabetes at 71 –

Johnny Cash, the rumble-voiced "Man in Black" who served for six decades as country music’s gentle giant, has died from respiratory failure due to complications from diabetes. He was 71 >Know your herbs: Do you know about Bitter Melon? What about

Fenugreek? You can read more about them and so much more. >Herbal Detoxification –

The herbal approach to detoxification is based upon the premise that the human body is a self healing and homeostatic organism, and that the therapist simply has to support normal processes. >CLUE FOR A CURE: "I believe the main source of the intestinal fluke

is undercooked meat and dairy products. After we are infected with it this way, we can give it to each other through blood, saliva, semen, and breast milk, which means kissing on the mouth, sex, nursing, and childbearing." >A LESSON FROM A TO ZINC: Do diabetics need chromium, and why?

From the Viewpoint, where medical professionals talk on diabetes: >"Over a billion people worldwide are classified as overweight and at

high risk for developing other serious conditions such as heart disease and diabetes. Faced with this burgeoning health crisis, scientists are striving to gain new insights into mechanisms that govern fat cells, called adipocytes." >COME VISIT THE NEW TALKONSHOP, FEATURING IMPORTANT BOOKS, WONDERFUL

GIFTS AND SPORTY GEAR WITH A MESSAGE. Portions of purchases will be donated to Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation. So this year, buy a gift and help a child. All of these topics, plus so much more, at TalkOnDiabetes.net – Diabetics for diabetics worldwide www.TalkOnDiabetes.net – Think. Learn. Talk about it. Regards, Ashley

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NAMBLA: WHERE WE STAND

Question:

Isn’t semen high in iron?

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I received the message below this morning in regards to this post of ‘questionable taste’. writes: It seems the message was placed by an automatic remailer originating through one Since noone can confirm this the best bet is to email the remailing service. X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/POL/ In case my abuse address is unreachable: It is because it has been flooded by

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>Now this is UNWANTED spam. Tell me when I ever did this? >Conni Brady

You JUST did it, by quoting the post in it’s entirety. Thanks a whole lot. Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please. Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

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>Now this is UNWANTED spam. Tell me when I ever did this? >Conni Brady

You just did by not snipping. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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followed by a COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY re-post of a zillion lines of garbage. PLEASE, people! — Wes Groleau Daily Hoax: http://www.snopes2.com/cgi-bin/random/random.asp

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Now this is UNWANTED spam. Tell me when I ever did this? Conni Brady Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and > educational. We work to organize support for boys and men who have or > desire consensual sexual and emotional relationships and to educate > society on their positive nature. We speak out against the oppression > endured by men and boys who love one another and support the right of > all people to consensual intergenerational relationships. Throughout > most of Western history (and not only Western), man/boy love has been > the primary form of homoeroticism, and it is this love for which NAMBLA > stands. NAMBLA was founded in 1978, within Boston’s gay and lesbian > community, in response to a witch hunt against man/boy lovers in that > city. Since then, NAMBLA has worked to build a community of support > through our publications and conferences. Our spokespeople raise > awareness of the issue in the media and academia, before community > groups, and among the general public. While NAMBLA’s members represent a > diversity of backgrounds and politics, we all share a libertarian, > humanistic attitude on sexuality. We believe that sex is good and > wholesome and that it is an important medium of personal expression. > NAMBLA condemns sexual abuse in all forms of coercion. We insist there > is a distinction between coercive and consensual sex. Laws that focus > only on the age of the participants fail to capture that distinction, > for they ignore the quality of the relationship. Differences in age do > not preclude mutual, loving interaction between persons any more than > differences in race or class. Some existing laws criminalize sexual > relationships that are loving and fully consensual. These laws are ill- > conceived and morally repugnant. As is our right, we advocate their > repeal. Nothing that we speak or write about is intended to advocate or > counsel the violation of such laws. NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of > youth in all areas, not just the sexual. We are against arbitrary > constraints on the rights and freedom of all, young and old. We support > greater economic, political, and social opportunities for young people > and denounce the rampant ageism that segregates and isolates them in > fear and mistrust. > North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA’s legal and for real !! > USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174 > Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE: > http://www.nambla.org/ > Who loves ya. > Tom Hennesy > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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> The North American Man/Boy Love Association

MEMBERS SHOULD ALL BE LINED UP AND SHOT!!!!! There, I fixed your post for you!

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> The North American Man/Boy Love Association > MEMBERS SHOULD ALL BE LINED UP AND SHOT!!!!! > There, I fixed your post for you!

Shooting is too good for these perverts, Joe. I say turn ‘em loose one at a time, hands tied, in a stadium full of the parents of abused boys. — Evelyn "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst into laughter." -Longchenpa

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<man/boy of steel drivel snipped> Get psychiatric treatment. Now. Please. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and > educational. We work to organize support for boys and men who have or > desire consensual sexual and emotional relationships and to educate > society on their positive nature. We speak out against the oppression > endured by men and boys who love one another and support the right of > all people to consensual intergenerational relationships. Throughout > most of Western history (and not only Western), man/boy love has been > the primary form of homoeroticism, and it is this love for which NAMBLA > stands. NAMBLA was founded in 1978, within Boston’s gay and lesbian > community, in response to a witch hunt against man/boy lovers in that > city. Since then, NAMBLA has worked to build a community of support > through our publications and conferences. Our spokespeople raise > awareness of the issue in the media and academia, before community > groups, and among the general public. While NAMBLA’s members represent a > diversity of backgrounds and politics, we all share a libertarian, > humanistic attitude on sexuality. We believe that sex is good and > wholesome and that it is an important medium of personal expression. > NAMBLA condemns sexual abuse in all forms of coercion. We insist there > is a distinction between coercive and consensual sex. Laws that focus > only on the age of the participants fail to capture that distinction, > for they ignore the quality of the relationship. Differences in age do > not preclude mutual, loving interaction between persons any more than > differences in race or class. Some existing laws criminalize sexual > relationships that are loving and fully consensual. These laws are ill- > conceived and morally repugnant. As is our right, we advocate their > repeal. Nothing that we speak or write about is intended to advocate or > counsel the violation of such laws. NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of > youth in all areas, not just the sexual. We are against arbitrary > constraints on the rights and freedom of all, young and old. We support > greater economic, political, and social opportunities for young people > and denounce the rampant ageism that segregates and isolates them in > fear and mistrust. > North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA’s legal and for real !! > USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174 > Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE: > http://www.nambla.org/ > Who loves ya. > Tom Hennesy > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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Sorry people. I did NOT mean to forward another copy of this guys garbage to the group. My newsreader sent it when I was sending it to his ISP. Technology – great when it works and annoying as all get out when it makes you look dumb. LOL

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and >educational. We work to organize support for boys and men who have or >desire consensual sexual and emotional relationships and to educate >society on their positive nature. We speak out against the oppression >endured by men and boys who love one another and support the right of >all people to consensual intergenerational relationships. Throughout >most of Western history (and not only Western), man/boy love has been >the primary form of homoeroticism, and it is this love for which NAMBLA >stands. NAMBLA was founded in 1978, within Boston’s gay and lesbian >community, in response to a witch hunt against man/boy lovers in that >city. Since then, NAMBLA has worked to build a community of support >through our publications and conferences. Our spokespeople raise >awareness of the issue in the media and academia, before community >groups, and among the general public. While NAMBLA’s members represent a >diversity of backgrounds and politics, we all share a libertarian, >humanistic attitude on sexuality. We believe that sex is good and >wholesome and that it is an important medium of personal expression. >NAMBLA condemns sexual abuse in all forms of coercion. We insist there >is a distinction between coercive and consensual sex. Laws that focus >only on the age of the participants fail to capture that distinction, >for they ignore the quality of the relationship. Differences in age do >not preclude mutual, loving interaction between persons any more than >differences in race or class. Some existing laws criminalize sexual >relationships that are loving and fully consensual. These laws are ill- >conceived and morally repugnant. As is our right, we advocate their >repeal. Nothing that we speak or write about is intended to advocate or >counsel the violation of such laws. NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of >youth in all areas, not just the sexual. We are against arbitrary >constraints on the rights and freedom of all, young and old. We support >greater economic, political, and social opportunities for young people >and denounce the rampant ageism that segregates and isolates them in >fear and mistrust. >North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA’s legal and for real !! >USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174 >Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE: >http://www.nambla.org/ >Who loves ya. >Tom Hennesy >Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com >Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore >DEAD PEOPLE WALKING >http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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> The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and

<snippo> Ack! The watchtroll is back with more things unrelated to diabetes. Got to killfile him again! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and educational. We work to organize support for boys and men who have or desire consensual sexual and emotional relationships and to educate society on their positive nature. We speak out against the oppression endured by men and boys who love one another and support the right of all people to consensual intergenerational relationships. Throughout most of Western history (and not only Western), man/boy love has been the primary form of homoeroticism, and it is this love for which NAMBLA stands. NAMBLA was founded in 1978, within Boston’s gay and lesbian community, in response to a witch hunt against man/boy lovers in that city. Since then, NAMBLA has worked to build a community of support through our publications and conferences. Our spokespeople raise awareness of the issue in the media and academia, before community groups, and among the general public. While NAMBLA’s members represent a diversity of backgrounds and politics, we all share a libertarian, humanistic attitude on sexuality. We believe that sex is good and wholesome and that it is an important medium of personal expression. NAMBLA condemns sexual abuse in all forms of coercion. We insist there is a distinction between coercive and consensual sex. Laws that focus only on the age of the participants fail to capture that distinction, for they ignore the quality of the relationship. Differences in age do not preclude mutual, loving interaction between persons any more than differences in race or class. Some existing laws criminalize sexual relationships that are loving and fully consensual. These laws are ill- conceived and morally repugnant. As is our right, we advocate their repeal. Nothing that we speak or write about is intended to advocate or counsel the violation of such laws. NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of youth in all areas, not just the sexual. We are against arbitrary constraints on the rights and freedom of all, young and old. We support greater economic, political, and social opportunities for young people and denounce the rampant ageism that segregates and isolates them in fear and mistrust. North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA’s legal and for real !! USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174 Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE: http://www.nambla.org/ Who loves ya. Tom Hennesy Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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US testing supplies.

Question:

My insurance has this option, if I use their m.o. provider, Express Scripts, I get a 90 day supply for the same copay as a 30 day supply from local pharmacies. Since I use 7 prescription drugs, that’s a $42 a month savings for me. TerryR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you > to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run. > bj

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> > And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run. > True. This is an option that I have, but I choose not to use it.

Sometimes you can save money by going that route, but I can’t. And since they seem to keep switching my meds or at least changing the dose, I may as well just go to the pharmacy up the street. I use all 3 options — local w/insurance for new/try-out/changed/temporary meds, m.o. w/ins. for long-term established meds & strips (except in hot weather), and local "retail" for one that costs about the same as my copay — but paying retail lets me buy a more convenient quantity, and it’s also a long-term maintenance med. bj

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> And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you > to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run.

True. This is an option that I have, but I choose not to use it. Sometimes you can save money by going that route, but I can’t. And since they seem to keep switching my meds or at least changing the dose, I may as well just go to the pharmacy up the street. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> If for some reason, you can’t get out to get prescriptions, there are

other ways around it. Many of the large chains have online pharmacies and will mail your prescriptions to you. Often, there will be a local pharmacy or two that will deliver. No need to use a third party who only wants your money. And many insurance plans have a mail order option. Some of them require you to use a particular m.o. provider or one that they run. bj

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’ve noticed a number of posters from the US mentioning the high costs > of diabetes supplies over there. > I have no financial or other interest in what follows except that it > may have some value to US people. > I have just come across an ad in the AARP magazine (I joined for > travel discounts) for a firm called "Liberty" who claim to deliver > diabetes supplies and fill out the medicare forms for you – > deductibles and co-payments apply. > It’s probably old news to you guys. I have no idea if they are good, > bad, a scam or indifferent. I’ll post the phone number if you are > interested in knowing any more, or pass it on by email if you’d prefer > I don’t post it. >From what I have heard, they are not good. I can go to the pharmacy and not >have to fill out any paperwork. This place will deliver, and deliver and >deliver, and not always things that you need. Meanwhile, you are paying >co-pays for this stuff. And if they happen to send you stuff that is not >covered by your insurance, they expect you to pay the full amount for it. >And once you start getting this stuff, it can be difficult to make them stop >sending it, or charging you for it! >If for some reason, you can’t get out to get prescriptions, there are other >ways around it. Many of the large chains have online pharmacies and will >mail your prescriptions to you. Often, there will be a local pharmacy or >two that will deliver. No need to use a third party who only wants your >money.

Thx Julie. Glad someone knew about them. Back in my box Cheers Alan

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> Hi all. > I’ve noticed a number of posters from the US mentioning the high costs > of diabetes supplies over there. > I have no financial or other interest in what follows except that it > may have some value to US people. > I have just come across an ad in the AARP magazine (I joined for > travel discounts) for a firm called "Liberty" who claim to deliver > diabetes supplies and fill out the medicare forms for you – > deductibles and co-payments apply. > It’s probably old news to you guys. I have no idea if they are good, > bad, a scam or indifferent. I’ll post the phone number if you are > interested in knowing any more, or pass it on by email if you’d prefer > I don’t post it.

From what I have heard, they are not good. I can go to the pharmacy and not have to fill out any paperwork. This place will deliver, and deliver and deliver, and not always things that you need. Meanwhile, you are paying co-pays for this stuff. And if they happen to send you stuff that is not covered by your insurance, they expect you to pay the full amount for it. And once you start getting this stuff, it can be difficult to make them stop sending it, or charging you for it! If for some reason, you can’t get out to get prescriptions, there are other ways around it. Many of the large chains have online pharmacies and will mail your prescriptions to you. Often, there will be a local pharmacy or two that will deliver. No need to use a third party who only wants your money. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Hi all. I’ve noticed a number of posters from the US mentioning the high costs of diabetes supplies over there. I have no financial or other interest in what follows except that it may have some value to US people. I have just come across an ad in the AARP magazine (I joined for travel discounts) for a firm called "Liberty" who claim to deliver diabetes supplies and fill out the medicare forms for you – deductibles and co-payments apply. It’s probably old news to you guys. I have no idea if they are good, bad, a scam or indifferent. I’ll post the phone number if you are interested in knowing any more, or pass it on by email if you’d prefer I don’t post it. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

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pain in the ball of my right foot

Question:

I was hoping some one out there could direct me to the right news group, since june of 2003 i have been having pain in the ball of my foot, between the second and third toes are. i went to my gp he said it was morton’s neroma, my gp gave me a cortizone shot in the top of the foot between the 2nd and 3rd toe after a few days it went away. one month later it returned my gp sent me to a ortopedic after going for a bone scan the Dr. put me in a rocker boot and on crutchs. after 4 weeks of this nothing improved, I went for a mri, then was told to go see another spec. I saw the next guy was put on vioxx and still the boot and crutches. its now over two months and no improvement? I called my spec. he said to go see a podiatrist, I called my gp told him the story, now he wants to see me again. I did the lateral squeeze test and the axial pressure test the lat i feel clicking and pain the axial pain. if i walk without the boot my foot hurts with the boot it feels fine. I’ve been on disability now for 7 weeks and still no answers. I work on my feet 10-15hrs a day and need to get this resolved. anybodie got any advice???? Peg

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you know people that make spelling errors or can’t spell does not need some one to respond by saying get a dictionary, if you have nothing to say on this suject don’t respond. Peg. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was hoping some one out there could direct me to the right news > group, > since june of 2003 i have been having pain in the ball of my foot, > between the second and third toes are. i went to my gp he said it was > morton’s neroma, my gp gave me a cortizone shot in the top of the foot > between the 2nd and 3rd toe after a few days it went away. > one month later it returned my gp sent me to a ortopedic after going > for a bone scan the Dr. put me in a rocker boot and on crutchs. after > 4 weeks of this nothing improved, I went for a mri, then was told to > go see another spec. I saw the next guy was put on vioxx and still the > boot and crutches. its now over two months and no improvement? I > called my spec. he said to go see a podiatrist, I called my gp told > him the story, now he wants to see me again. I did the lateral squeeze > test and the axial pressure test the lat i feel clicking and pain the > axial pain. if i walk without the boot my foot hurts with the boot it > feels fine. I’ve been on disability now for 7 weeks and still no > answers. > I work on my feet 10-15hrs a day and need to get this resolved. > anybodie got any advice???? > Peg

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I’m no expert, but one talking in my ear is telling me to tell you to see a good podiatrist. You MAY need a little surgery (excision of a neuroma). In any event, get your health care from a live doctor, not from anyone here on the net (including me!!!!). Good luck. dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was hoping some one out there could direct me to the right news > group, > since june of 2003 i have been having pain in the ball of my foot, > between the second and third toes are. i went to my gp he said it was > morton’s neroma, my gp gave me a cortizone shot in the top of the foot > between the 2nd and 3rd toe after a few days it went away. > one month later it returned my gp sent me to a ortopedic after going > for a bone scan the Dr. put me in a rocker boot and on crutchs. after > 4 weeks of this nothing improved, I went for a mri, then was told to > go see another spec. I saw the next guy was put on vioxx and still the > boot and crutches. its now over two months and no improvement? I > called my spec. he said to go see a podiatrist, I called my gp told > him the story, now he wants to see me again. I did the lateral squeeze > test and the axial pressure test the lat i feel clicking and pain the > axial pain. if i walk without the boot my foot hurts with the boot it > feels fine. I’ve been on disability now for 7 weeks and still no > answers. > I work on my feet 10-15hrs a day and need to get this resolved. > anybodie got any advice???? > Peg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I was hoping some one out there could direct me to the right news >group, > since june of 2003 i have been having pain in the ball of my foot, >between the second and third toes are. i went to my gp he said it was >morton’s neroma, my gp gave me a cortizone shot in the top of the foot >between the 2nd and 3rd toe after a few days it went away. > one month later it returned my gp sent me to a ortopedic after going >for a bone scan the Dr. put me in a rocker boot and on crutchs. after >4 weeks of this nothing improved, I went for a mri, then was told to >go see another spec. I saw the next guy was put on vioxx and still the >boot and crutches. its now over two months and no improvement? I >called my spec. he said to go see a podiatrist, I called my gp told >him the story, now he wants to see me again. I did the lateral squeeze >test and the axial pressure test the lat i feel clicking and pain the >axial pain. if i walk without the boot my foot hurts with the boot it >feels fine. I’ve been on disability now for 7 weeks and still no >answers. >I work on my feet 10-15hrs a day and need to get this resolved. >anybodie got any advice????

You might want to see a chiroprator. A subluction in one of the joints of your toes, or a misalignment in your back or hip, could be the cause of the pain… FW

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Peg, if you get a reply like that, use your killfile/delete option to get rid of the offending poster. Or just ignore it. This is an open forum, and ANYBODY can post, and sadly some offensive types do. I’m not sure if this is the best place to seek advice re your problem with your foot. Do you have diabetes? In any case, only a doctor can advise you on something medical. Except for Dr Biggs, we do not have anyone here who is able to offer such advice. Sorry. Annette

> you know people that make spelling errors or can’t spell does not need > some one to respond by saying get a dictionary, if you have nothing to > say on this suject don’t respond. > Peg.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was hoping some one out there could direct me to the right news > group, > since june of 2003 i have been having pain in the ball of my foot, > between the second and third toes are. i went to my gp he said it was > morton’s neroma, my gp gave me a cortizone shot in the top of the foot > between the 2nd and 3rd toe after a few days it went away. > one month later it returned my gp sent me to a ortopedic after going > for a bone scan the Dr. put me in a rocker boot and on crutchs. after > 4 weeks of this nothing improved, I went for a mri, then was told to > go see another spec. I saw the next guy was put on vioxx and still the > boot and crutches. its now over two months and no improvement? I > called my spec. he said to go see a podiatrist, I called my gp told > him the story, now he wants to see me again. I did the lateral squeeze > test and the axial pressure test the lat i feel clicking and pain the > axial pain. if i walk without the boot my foot hurts with the boot it > feels fine. I’ve been on disability now for 7 weeks and still no > answers. > I work on my feet 10-15hrs a day and need to get this resolved. > anybodie got any advice???? > Peg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was hoping some one out there could direct me to the right news > group, > since june of 2003 i have been having pain in the ball of my foot, > between the second and third toes are. i went to my gp he said it was > morton’s neroma, my gp gave me a cortizone shot in the top of the foot > between the 2nd and 3rd toe after a few days it went away. > one month later it returned my gp sent me to a ortopedic after going > for a bone scan the Dr. put me in a rocker boot and on crutchs. after > 4 weeks of this nothing improved, I went for a mri, then was told to > go see another spec. I saw the next guy was put on vioxx and still the > boot and crutches. its now over two months and no improvement? I > called my spec. he said to go see a podiatrist, I called my gp told > him the story, now he wants to see me again. I did the lateral squeeze > test and the axial pressure test the lat i feel clicking and pain the > axial pain. if i walk without the boot my foot hurts with the boot it > feels fine. I’ve been on disability now for 7 weeks and still no > answers. > I work on my feet 10-15hrs a day and need to get this resolved. > anybodie got any advice???? > Peg

Hi again, Peg, I did a quick search with Goodle for alt. groups that are to do with podiatry, and found these 3 groups. You might like to have a look at them and see if any of them are what you are seeking. alt.med.podiatry alt.podiatry.misc alt.podiatry.surgery I hope you find the group you need. Annette — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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any pump with a closed loop system could not work if insulin was delivered into the subcutaneous tissues. it would need to be implanted, so that the insulin could go right into the bloodstream. then what happens if you get low? you would need a little glucagon dispenser too, huh? If it were easy, it would have been done already. While we wait, we take care of ourselves… dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I don’t know why blood glucose testing technology can not be coupled with an > insulin pump to continuously monitor blood sugar and automatically alloquat > a required amount of insulin as it is needed. I think there would even be a > cure for our affliction if there was not so much money to be made selling > test strips and insulin. Look diabetes kills far more people than do breast > cancer and AIDS COMBINED yet dibetes research gets only about 14 percent the > funding http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. Our government (USA) > spends approximately $1,700.00 for each person with breast cancer and AIDS > while only $20.00 is spent for each of us with diabetes > http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. What the hell is going on? It’s > enough to make one very upset. It’s time we stopped smiling about our > disease and begin to act up like our brothers and sisters with breast cancer > and AIDS.

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>any pump with a closed loop system could not work if insulin was >delivered into the subcutaneous tissues. it would need to be implanted, >so that the insulin could go right into the bloodstream. then what >happens if you get low? you would need a little glucagon dispenser too, >huh? If it were easy, it would have been done already. While we wait, >we take care of ourselves… >dave

no one wants to inject insulin directly into the blood stream. and a closed loop system doesn’t have to do so or have to be implanted under the skin. Check out the minimed website for the latest on the closed loop system they are developing. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know why blood glucose testing technology can not be coupled with an > insulin pump to continuously monitor blood sugar and automatically alloquat > a required amount of insulin as it is needed. I think there would even be a > cure for our affliction if there was not so much money to be made selling > test strips and insulin. Look diabetes kills far more people than do breast > cancer and AIDS COMBINED yet dibetes research gets only about 14 percent the > funding http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. Our government (USA) > spends approximately $1,700.00 for each person with breast cancer and AIDS > while only $20.00 is spent for each of us with diabetes > http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. What the hell is going on? It’s > enough to make one very upset. It’s time we stopped smiling about our > disease and begin to act up like our brothers and sisters with breast cancer > and AIDS.

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>I don’t know why blood glucose testing technology can not be coupled with an >insulin pump to continuously monitor blood sugar and automatically alloquat >a required amount of insulin as it is needed. I think there would even be a >cure for our affliction if there was not so much money to be made selling >test strips and insulin. Look diabetes kills far more people than do breast >cancer and AIDS COMBINED yet dibetes research gets only about 14 percent the >funding http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. Our government (USA) >spends approximately $1,700.00 for each person with breast cancer and AIDS >while only $20.00 is spent for each of us with diabetes >http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. What the hell is going on? It’s >enough to make one very upset. It’s time we stopped smiling about our >disease and begin to act up like our brothers and sisters with breast cancer >and AIDS.

we already do. diabetics have been advocating for themselves and fund raising for themselves for many years now. you might also want to go to the minimed website and look up the new tech they are working on to create a closed loop insulin pump. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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I don’t know why blood glucose testing technology can not be coupled with an insulin pump to continuously monitor blood sugar and automatically alloquat a required amount of insulin as it is needed. I think there would even be a cure for our affliction if there was not so much money to be made selling test strips and insulin. Look diabetes kills far more people than do breast cancer and AIDS COMBINED yet dibetes research gets only about 14 percent the funding http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. Our government (USA) spends approximately $1,700.00 for each person with breast cancer and AIDS while only $20.00 is spent for each of us with diabetes http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. What the hell is going on? It’s enough to make one very upset. It’s time we stopped smiling about our disease and begin to act up like our brothers and sisters with breast cancer and AIDS.

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I have been hoping for a sugar checker and pump combo for a long, long time. I have used the CGM (continuous gloucose monitor), so I know there is a contraption that can continuously check sugars. And, we all know that pumps exist. It makes perfect sense to me that the next obvious step is a combination of the two technologies. I have actually been hoping for a device that goes one step further…it would 1) check your sugars, 2) deliver the appropriate amount of insulin, and 3) deliver the appropriate amount of glucose in case of low sugars. I would be more of an external pancreas than the current pumps. Steph

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know why blood glucose testing technology can not be coupled with an > insulin pump to continuously monitor blood sugar and automatically alloquat > a required amount of insulin as it is needed. I think there would even be a > cure for our affliction if there was not so much money to be made selling > test strips and insulin. Look diabetes kills far more people than do breast > cancer and AIDS COMBINED yet dibetes research gets only about 14 percent the > funding http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. Our government (USA) > spends approximately $1,700.00 for each person with breast cancer and AIDS > while only $20.00 is spent for each of us with diabetes > http://woundcare.org/newsvol3n1/ed7.htm. What the hell is going on? It’s > enough to make one very upset. It’s time we stopped smiling about our > disease and begin to act up like our brothers and sisters with breast cancer > and AIDS.

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Are there NO diabetics as militant as I??? Check out the links in my original post. I think it’s time we rise up and make some noise. We need to be as noticable and noticed as or brothers and sisters with cancer, AIDS, etc.

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OK, I did it and I am now using my 17" monitor. I just plugged it in and turned it on. When it got to the DOS screen during boot up it said something about an unknown device click this or that….I guessed and clicked that….when it got to the opening screen it updated my databank for my new hardware. It also made some reference to Plug and Play. It did everything so fast I didn’t get a chance to read what it was doing. Anyway, it works, but I can’t get the color adjusted correctly. It appears too washed out…greys, etc. But it is BIG, BIG, BIG….ahhh….size DOES matter!! <EG> Thank you all for your help! Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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> Anyway, it works, but I can’t get the color adjusted correctly. It > appears too washed out…greys, etc. But it is BIG, BIG, > BIG….ahhh….size DOES matter!! <EG>

If you go to the manufacturer’s website, there may be instructions on how to improve the color. And of course size matters! Chakolate — If you want to be the center of attention, make tuna salad in front of your cats.

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> But it is BIG, BIG, BIG….ahhh….size DOES matter!! <EG>

You will probably be asked by the spammers for products that grow certain mail members if they may quote you. ROTFL BJ

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>You will probably be asked by the spammers for products that grow >certain mail members if they may quote you. ROTFL BJ

Sure, they can quote me! Although, deep inside I believe its the motion of the ocean and not the size of the ship. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >OK, I did it and I am now using my 17" monitor. I just plugged it in >and turned it on. When it got to the DOS screen during boot up it said >something about an unknown device click this or that….I guessed and >clicked that….when it got to the opening screen it updated my >databank for my new hardware. It also made some reference to Plug and >Play. It did everything so fast I didn’t get a chance to read what it >was doing. >Anyway, it works, but I can’t get the color adjusted correctly. It >appears too washed out…greys, etc. But it is BIG, BIG, >BIG….ahhh….size DOES matter!! <EG> >Thank you all for your help! >Dana >"The leading cause of death among fashion models is > falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

17 is big? wait till you get a 22" monitor and or a video card with a TV jack and plug it into a 27" or bigger screen…. grin, I love my toys. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>17 is big? wait till you get a 22" monitor and or a video card with a >TV jack and plug it into a 27" or bigger screen…. grin, I love my >toys.

Too bad you misuse them to TROLL around all the time.

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>17 is big? wait till you get a 22" monitor and or a video card with a >TV jack and plug it into a 27" or bigger screen…. grin, I love my >toys.

Hey, Mack, not fair! This 17" was a freeby, and I will not be getting another bigger one soon, I am sure. BUT……. When I get my new computer, it will have EVERYTHING new and available on a computer!! (dreaming) LOL. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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>>17 is big? wait till you get a 22" monitor and or a video card with a >TV jack and plug it into a 27" or bigger screen…. grin, I love my >toys. >Hey, Mack, not fair! This 17" was a freeby, and I will not be >getting another bigger one soon, I am sure.

That’s good, I just gave three 17s away myself. and I never pay full price for my toys to begin with. >BUT……. >When I get my new computer, it will have EVERYTHING new and available >on a computer!! (dreaming) LOL.

actually very easy to do. just figure out how much you can put aside each week and don’t touch it for anything until you have enough to buy the new pc. >Dana >"The leading cause of death among fashion models is > falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>17 is big? wait till you get a 22" monitor and or a video card with a >TV jack and plug it into a 27" or bigger screen…. grin, I love my >toys. > ! This 17" was a freeby, and I will not be > getting another bigger one soon, I am sure.

ooo no i better not touch this one. > BUT……. > When I get my new computer, it will have EVERYTHING new and available > on a computer!! (dreaming) LOL.

Dana that really depends on what you need the computer for. 2 years ago when i got my last one it was top of the line not really but pretty darn close. i have made a few upgrades to it since. but i also like to play war games on line and work most of the time with about 6 windows up and working with in those 6 windows. that is why i have 2 pretty big monitors connected to it now. if you dont really do anything demanding with the computer i bet the cheapest one today would do you fine – yea a lil extra ram is good but you probably wont need more then the recommened amount for the operating system you are using. i now have about 200 gigs of hard drive space on this bad boy. well i just opened one of your posts to say.. hello. tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dana > "The leading cause of death among fashion models is > falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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>That’s good, I just gave three 17s away myself. and I never pay full >price for my toys to begin with.

You are a cruel man, rub it in why don’t cha!! >BUT……. >When I get my new computer, it will have EVERYTHING new and available >on a computer!! (dreaming) LOL. >actually very easy to do. just figure out how much you can put aside >each week and don’t touch it for anything until you have enough to buy >the new pc.

Yes, I am working on it now. I don’t have alot of disposable income to spend on something I already have one of tho… this one needs to go flooey and then….. Dana >Dana >"The leading cause of death among fashion models is > falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~ >Mack >Type 1 since 1975 >http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org >http://www.insulin-pumpers.org > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

"The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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>would do you fine – yea a lil extra ram is good but you probably wont need >more then >the recommened amount for the operating system you are using. i now have >about 200 gigs of hard drive >space on this bad boy. well i just opened one of your posts to say.. hello. >tom

Hi Tom, Right now, this one has 168megs of RAM, 3 gigs of hard drive. But all I do with it is email and newsgroups and some small graphic work every now and then. So, I am OK with what I have. But you always want something bigger and newer, don’t ya? Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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>>That’s good, I just gave three 17s away myself. and I never pay full >price for my toys to begin with. >You are a cruel man, rub it in why don’t cha!!

yes I’ve been known to add salt and lemon juice to the wounds of the PC deprived…. >>BUT……. >>When I get my new computer, it will have EVERYTHING new and available >>on a computer!! (dreaming) LOL. >actually very easy to do. just figure out how much you can put aside >each week and don’t touch it for anything until you have enough to buy >the new pc. >Yes, I am working on it now. I don’t have alot of disposable income to >spend on something I already have one of tho… this one needs to go >flooey and then….. >Dana

check to see if there are any computer shows in your area. this site http://www.marketproshows.com gives show dates for my area and several east coast states. At these places I can get software like MS Office Pro for less than half the cost of a department store. Video cards that sell regularly priced at 150.00+ go for less than half the cost most of the time. It’s where I bought 8 separate 512 mb 2700 ram chips for 30.00 each. And Norton System Works 2003 for 10.00. Deals like this are common. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>check to see if there are any computer shows in your area. this site >http://www.marketproshows.com gives show dates for my area and several >east coast states.

Hey, thanks, I will check this out. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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>check to see if there are any computer shows in your area.

Damn! You’re good, Mack!! There is a show this weekend in my area, Jax, Fla. Too bad I don’t have money right now, but I may go and just look around anyway. <G> Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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>print out the 1.00 off coupon and it will cost you 6.00 to get in. at >least that is the price here. I go so often I just by a yearly >membership.

Ok, I will. And while I have your attention (g) may I ask you another pc question please? Hubby also gave me an old Compaq Presario 1000 lap top. I have been trying to defrag and scan disk it, but it won’t do either. Or at least it seems to be taking hours (3) with no progress. Could there be a problem? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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> Hubby also gave me an old Compaq Presario 1000 lap top. I have been > trying to defrag and scan disk it, but it won’t do either. Or at least > it seems to be taking hours (3) with no progress. Could there be a > problem? Am I doing something wrong?

What OS? Try starting it in SAFE mode if W95 or later. There are a lot of "terminate and stay resident" (TSR) programs that can affect scandisk because every time something is saved to the HD scandisk will start over from the beginning. Regards, James

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hubby also gave me an old Compaq Presario 1000 lap top. I have been > trying to defrag and scan disk it, but it won’t do either. Or at least > it seems to be taking hours (3) with no progress. Could there be a > problem? Am I doing something wrong? >What OS? Try starting it in SAFE mode if W95 or later. >There are a lot of "terminate and stay resident" (TSR) programs that can >affect scandisk because every time something is saved to the HD scandisk >will start over from the beginning. >Regards, >James

[snip] Do the following: 1] From the ‘Program Menu’ delete anything resident in the Start Up Folder. [Shortcuts, so there won't be damage] 2] Go into ‘Control Panel’ and then ‘Display. Disable all screen savers [select none] and select the power saving features to ‘Always On’. 3] Check the items on the menu bar ‘Tray’ [to the lower RH corner of the screen] whatever is there right click and select the ‘Disable’ option or tick the box wich causes the program to place an icon in the tray to clear it. The reason for the above is that all of these will be writing to the HDD peridically. Each time there is a read/write the scan disc/defrag will stop and have to start over again since the detail on the HDD will have necessarily changed. Also any power saving mode will operate durring the process so that has to be disabled as well. Having done all that, shut down and restart. After started again and when stable. Press the following keys together as one ‘Ctry + Alt + Del’ just the once only. A box will appear listing all the processes that are running make a note of anything that is running that looks like it is a program. Then stop it running. Now forget the Scandisc its function is specific and not required for your purpose. Select Defrag and the options for rearrange my programs to start faster etc. Set it going and this time it should work. It will take some time depending on the size of the HDD and you may see it stop and start a few times but so long as the screen remains on its ok. Make sure you a hooked to the mains. The Bty won’t last the distance necessarily. HTH Pete

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> Do the following:

<SNIP> A lot of suggestions. Pete, without knowing what OS she’s using, a lot of your suggestions would result in either a frozen laptop or a hard re-boot. (CTL-ALT-DEL under W95 will often simply reboot the machine!) Simplest and safest means of running scandisk is to boot into SAFE mode and run it from there. Regards, James A+, NET+, MCSE (NT-W2K-XP)

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>> Do the following: ><SNIP> A lot of suggestions. >Pete, without knowing what OS she’s using, a lot of your suggestions would >result in either a frozen laptop or a hard re-boot. (CTL-ALT-DEL under W95 >will often simply reboot the machine!)

box – if done once only. To do it three times instigates a >Simplest and safest means of running scandisk is to boot into SAFE mode and >run it from there.

You can run it from the program start menu, a shortcut is listed under System Tools. However, the function of Scan disk is to a] Detect physical damage on the HDD surface [often caused by failing to close windows correctly and there being subsequent vibration to the HDD enought to cause the sensor arm to 'bounce' onto the disc surface. b] Think of the HDD as a filing cabinet like you find in any office. In it there are many drawers and within each drawer are many folders containing many files on a similar topic. Every so often either by neglect or misuse, files get dumped ito the wrong drawer and folder and out of order. When this happens the PC OS cannot find what you are requesting. Scan disk detects misplaced files by reference to the registry and notes those that are not where they should be. Scan disk is invoked after you just turn the power off without closing the OS correctly for this reason. >Regards, >James >A+, NET+, MCSE (NT-W2K-XP)

That may very well be mate but trust me on this. Try it if’n you do not beleive. Safe mode just means only a minimum set of drivers are loaded. There is no need to do this if there is no periphial or connected on board HW problem. Pete

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>What OS? Try starting it in SAFE mode if W95 or later.

Yes, its a Win95 and I have tried to start it in Safe mode but I can’t get it there. This is what I did, tell me if I am doing it right: (instructions from a website) 1. click start, shut down, restart the computer, and then Yes. 2. When the first screen appears as the computer restarts, press the F8 key repeatedly until the startup menu opens. 3. Select safe mode. 4. Run ScanDisk from Safe Mode. When I hit the F8 key nothing happens…except the computer shuts off after two or three trys. Is there another way to get to safe mode? Thanks for your help. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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<snip> > 2. When the first screen appears as the computer restarts, press the > F8 key repeatedly until the startup menu opens.

<snip> Instead of F8, use Shift-F8. If all else fails, reboot the system using your instructions, but hold down the left Shift key from the time the system beeps until you see the DOS prompt. From there, you will not be in "Windows", but "DOS". Run "chkdsk /f" first, then reboot again and try the previous suggestions. Steve

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>Instead of F8, use Shift-F8. If all else fails, reboot the system using your instructions, but >hold down the left Shift key from the time the system beeps until you see the DOS prompt. From >there, you will not be in "Windows", but "DOS". Run "chkdsk /f" first, then reboot again and >try the previous suggestions. >Steve

Thanks, Steve….I’ll go try it now. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->print out the 1.00 off coupon and it will cost you 6.00 to get in. at >least that is the price here. I go so often I just by a yearly >membership. >Ok, I will. And while I have your attention (g) may I ask you another >pc question please? >Hubby also gave me an old Compaq Presario 1000 lap top. I have been >trying to defrag and scan disk it, but it won’t do either. Or at least >it seems to be taking hours (3) with no progress. Could there be a >problem? Am I doing something wrong? >Thanks, >Dana

may have locked up. may have damage. even if the laptop was never dropped or bounced or bumped the drive as all drives will, will eventually wear out and need to be replaced. norton utilities does just as good a job as the built in windows utilities. Have you tried that? Personally, I wouldn’t use any PC built by comcrap. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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>>Hubby also gave me an old Compaq Presario 1000 lap top. I have been >trying to defrag and scan disk it, but it won’t do either. Or at least >it seems to be taking hours (3) with no progress. Could there be a >problem? Am I doing something wrong? >Thanks, >Dana > may have locked up. may have damage. even if the laptop was never > dropped or bounced or bumped the drive as all drives will, will > eventually wear out and need to be replaced. norton utilities does > just as good a job as the built in windows utilities. Have you tried > that? Personally, I wouldn’t use any PC built by comcrap.

Are you trying to do scan disk while the OS is running? It will keep restarting because files are changing. Run scan disk before startup. If there is too little space on a drive defrag cannot be successful. — Ronnie Ruff So shines a good deed in a weary world. –Willy Wonka– I pray for the power. To turn it around. I’m too old to die young. And too young to die now. Warren Zevon 1980 http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

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>Are you trying to do scan disk while the OS is running? It will keep >restarting because files are changing. Run scan disk before startup. If >there is too little space on a drive defrag cannot be successful.

OK, I did what Steve suggested and whalaa, I got to the SafeMode somehow. I know that’s not what I was supposed to end up with, but I did. Anyway, I did scandisk and defrag from safemode and its running a little faster. The hard drive is virtually empty, it was cleared by Hubby’s company before giving it to him. Not alot has been added, so I can download a few things. Thank you all for your help. Dana "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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